to everyone who now thinks this race is over, SAVE IT

[restorefreedom]

first of all, congrats to hillary for today.

second, i am actually seeing threads by h supporters, which does not shock me, and b supporters, which DOES shock me, that this is basically over.

SAVE IT, K?

the delegate split from tonight is basically even, so they are virtually tied for delegates. and don't even start in the superdelegate bullshit, they will switch if necessary.

its also important to note that hillary did well in the two caucus states, in other words, states where many voters are disenfranchised. twitter today had accounts of traffic, long lines, people in charge not knowing what they were doing, people being shut out, not being able to register, etc. hmmmm who is likely to register at the last minute? young (bernie) voters.

so lets see what happens when all the people can vote, and ties are not decided by coin tosses, and people aren't closed out of the process. oh, wait...we already had a primary...and bernie won by 22 points!

so for those of you wanting to discourage bernie supporters for continuing a fight in what is essentially a tied race, i say fuggetabout it, in the best nyc accent i can muster.

have a nice evening.

[MohRokTah]

1. It's NEVER over before Super Tuesday, unless the Dem is an incumbent. eom

[bkkyosemite]

6. It's not over then either.

[MohRokTah]

14. It was in 2004. eom

[Bjornsdotter]

2. Hillary did not sweep

...the delegates.

I'm in for the long haul!

[840high]

58. So am I. Ready and able

to fight for Bernie and the USA.

[WhiteTara]

3. On to South Carolina nt

[Agschmid]

4. It isn't over.

I had to give a pep talk to a Sanders supporter already.

This campaign will go on for a while I'd bet.

[restorefreedom]

27. he said tonight all the way to philly! nt

[Agschmid]

32. No pep talk for you!...

Haha.

[restorefreedom]

41. i was pretty down before...

but then i heard bernie's concess----er, stump speech/revival meeting, and i got re fired up!

[passiveporcupine]

59. watching the primaries is like watching your 401K

You gotta watch the big picture, not the small ones. Yes the small ones make a difference and can reflect what's coming...or not.

Don't let your emotions go on a roller coaster ride. Just be calm and keep your cool and keep fighting the good fight.

It's not over till the fat lady sings.

[restorefreedom]

72. yup. i am trying to tske my cue from bernie

and he looked really happy tonight!

[MuseRider]

5. I will likely be standing behind him

long after he is out, IF he is ever out. I think we have a long race ahead.

Congrats to HRC supporters. It is still a very close race. If you cannot be nice in your win then I will see you after this is all over. If you can then we are all hanging togther in there till the end, we may as well try to be cordial.

[bkkyosemite]

7. Clinton supporters you need to remember in your happiness that

you may not have the last laugh if she wins the nomination and then fails to win the GE.

[GoneFishin]

17. Between Dem voters turned off by the cheating, and the Republican base which despises her, it's

guaranteed that she would lose a GE.

[LibDemAlways]

90. I said basically the same thing in

another thread and was accused by a Hillary supporter of making a threat. Those of us who reside in the real world understand that after the dirty campaign Hillary is waging in the primary, she is turning off a lot of Bernie Sanders fans, particularly young people who are responding to his message and not interested in backing Wall Street's favorite candidate. And Republicans do hate her -- with blinding, intense hate. She would bring them out in record numbers just for the thrill of voting against her.

This thing is far from over though, and Hillary supporters can crow all they want, but we Bernie voters may just get the last laugh.

[GoneFishin]

112. They don't get to use every manner of shenanigans to stack the deck unfairly, then appeal to a

sense of unity, fair play, pragmatism, or whatever else to try to trick people into forgetting how they screwed them over. Once they chose to cheat the high road was fucking closed to them.

[2pooped2pop]

122. Yep

No republican has anywhere newer the amount of dirt and baggage she has. The republican base would be super stoked to come out and vote against her while half the dems would be holding their noses to bother to vote for her. Lowest dem turnout in history against highest republican turnout in history. We all lose.

[ffr]

21. Your views do not represent what I saw today in two precincts

Both sides were gleeful of the turnout. Nobody was spiking the football. The takeaway was that Democrats need to show up in force to ensure the principles of Bernie & Hillary are what wins on election day.

If you're one of those who feels so strongly about your candidate that you choose to sit out this election in protest, you're hurting us all, including your candidate who needs more state representatives to help pass bills in the house.

Get out and vote. Encourage everyone to vote. We need the Republicans out. They're the enemy!

[LovingA2andMI]

42. This^^^^^

Is The End Result. Thanks for saying it as if the nominee is not Bernie - its most than likely a GOP President in 2016. The back and forth online about the "hurting the party bs and all that jazz" will NOT result in the Millennials and half of Generation Xers voting in the GE if Bernie is not the nominee.

Those are the facts. Refuse to believe them at one's on peril.

[asuhornets]

99. Since we are Democrats

you would be upset if she lost the GE?

[Adrahil]

111. True, but that would be true for Bernie supporters to. NT

[Gregorian]

8. It's just getting interesting.

I'm having to force myself away in order to do my daily things.

This is part of a beginning that began with Occupy. We're seeing that we can fund our campaigns. Who knew?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

9. This was a Hillary 'firewall' state, and she won by maybe 4%.

What does that suggest for every non-'firewall' state? It's nowhere near over, it's barely begun. With every passing day, Bernie moves higher in national polling, and Clinton drops.

[appalachiablue]

24. Well said and the truth.

[libtodeath]

54. exactly

[enid602]

86. 6%

Now, now . . . try 6%. And what happened to the wave, the 'feel the bern?'

[jillan]

10. Altho I agree with everything you said - Let's let Hillary and her supporters have today.

And go donate to Bernie if you can

[restorefreedom]

29. i bet he raises several mill in the next few days! nt

[RedCappedBandit]

11. I am disappointed, but it's not over. Much closer than I ever thought it would be. nt

[MerryBlooms]

12. No tears need to be shed- onward we go!

[restorefreedom]

30. yes! nt

[ebayfool]

13. Hear, hear! n/t

[RobertEarl]

15. I wonder

Some of the so-called Bernie supporters on DU seem giddy with Hillary's staying afloat. Wonder what's got into them?

Indeed, in the only race so far where it was a simple vote, Bernie won outright. These caucuses seem easily gamed.

[GoneFishin]

18. The electronic voting machines won't be Bernie's friend.

[RobertEarl]

22. Capable of 8% shift the e-vote is

SC is slap full of the e-vote machines, NH had paper ballots iirc, Harder to shift votes with paper.

But you are right, the owners of the voting machines will not favor Bernie. It is they that count.

[LiberalElite]

16. I donated again to Bernie a few minutes ago - and

and I agree: FUHGGEDDABOUTIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DI Freighter Watcher]

66. Donated

Donated minutes ago. Moving onward positive and focused. Nothing worth having comes easy!
Still Feeling The Bern .

[ffr]

19. I participated today. Here's what emotion was felt.

Everyone and I mean everyone was cheering for the big turn out, even the Republicans who switch party affiliation today. DNC forecast 15% expected turnout, but places were sending people outside, the turnout was beyond their expectations. The one I was at filled the entire school to capacity. I was surprised the Fire Marshal wasn't there to force precincts out of doors. Both sides were respectful of the other, as big-house Democrats typically are. Lots of outspoken Bernie supporters excited about their candidate, Hillary supporters were there to solidify her victory, but again respectful both ways and lively conversations with lots of smiles and laughter.

66% of those who caucused today were reported to be first time democratic voters and first time caucus voters. Our precinct went decidedly in favor of Hillary, even though we had to give up a delegate due to rounding. Had it not, it would have been 2 -1 in favor of Hillary.

I'm hopeful that what comes of this is that no matter the winning candidate, Democrats come out and vote in November for Democratic candidates. Let's sweet this scourge of Republican obstructionism to progress out and keep sweeping until we have elected officials who represent our views.

That's what I hope comes of today's NV caucus results.

Good job to all Democrats who came out today to support their candidate, register to vote and had their voice and concerns heard.

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. Glad there was a good turnout and that it was respectful.

[mountain grammy]

71. Thank you for being there and for telling us about it..

good news for Dems.

[fun n serious]

20. we know it's not over.

I will be cordial but I have to say, the last few weeks Bernie supporters have been nasty to me. I am excited and happy Bernie is able to resonate and fire up young people. That is always good for our party.

[dorkzilla]

26. Please don't make it about you

We've ALL of us been on the receiving end of blows from the other side.

Also, its not cordial if you say BUT in the midst of allegedly being cordial.

Congrats to you and your candidate.

[magical thyme]

33. well, fwiw, both Hillary and one or two Bernie supporters have been nasty to me yesterday and today

I'm catching it from both sides, so am feeling the urge to return to my independent roots.

[ffr]

70. Independent is fine.

But views expressed on a forum shouldn't deter you. You need us. We need you. There are more positive voices than negative. That's always going to be the case with Democrats. Can't say the same for weirdo Republis.

Hope you become a lifetime participant in the democratic process.

[magical thyme]

118. I've always participated in the democratic process

My first vote was for McGovern. I've voted straight line democrat since. Except last election when no democrat was running for selectman, so I picked the independent. Turned out he is a left-leaning indie, so that was even better, lol! I just stayed independent until 2003 when I registered dem in protest against W.

But I must say I'm very disheartened by the process and what appears to be significant gamesmanship by the establishment.

If the current trajectory continues, I may well drop out completely. I remember that by the end of the '08 primary, I despised both Clinton and Obama.

[restorefreedom]

35. i would like to see a spirited and civil contest

all the way to the convention..

hang in there...we all have a long way to go!

[cui bono]

109. Yeah, and Hillary supporters have been extremely nasty to all of us.

[californiabernin]

23. 100% agree! nt

[George II]

25. According to the Washington Post, Clinton got 18 delegates, Sander 14.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

34. A virtual tie.

Or something like that.

[George II]

51. Pledged delegates are now 50-50. Next Saturday Clinton will have a lead of ~ 10 delegates, and....

...three days later Clinton will expand her lead to 80-100 delegates, with Sanders trailing in virtually all remaining states.

We've been hearing about "momentum" for a week now, and we're starting to see it.

For all practical purposes, the Sanders campaign has about 10 days left.

[stopbush]

56. You are correct. He will lose big in SC and in all the big Super Tuesday

states.

I can understand the BSers not wanting to say die, but NV was Bernie's Waterloo. He's now heading into contests where Hillary already has YUGE leads. Her NV win means that any wavering Hillary voters will stop wavering. He's lost the momentum entirely that he had coming out of NH.

The narrative in the media has already shifted to Bernie's weaknesses. They are pointing out that his revolution is translating into LOWER voter turnout - not helpful when your message is building a groundswell of support that will change things in DC. It shows that his miracle cure for being an effective socialist president is snake oil.

The coming primaries will only reinforce that narrative.

[George II]

60. His last hurrah may be in Vermont a week from Tuesday - he has a chance of getting all....

....pledged delegates if he can get above 85%. That will be his final, but hollow, victory.

[dana_b]

28. yeah, I'm not happy but STOP with the giving in stuff!!

We still have a long way to go.

Unless Bernie himself sends you an e-mail saying "It's over" then stop.

A good idea - go outside, go make a good dinner, go have some wine, watch a movie. Get away from any negativity.

[restorefreedom]

37. yes, i just had pizza. it helped. :) nt

[dana_b]

62. mmm... pizza.... that sounds good.

Thanks - gonna order some now!

[restorefreedom]

73. enjoy! munch munch :) nt

[bobbobbins01]

31. I am more fired up than ever.

To come this far and get this close, in Clintons firewall state. This isn't a loss, its a win. We just need that little extra effort to push Bernie over the top.

[restorefreedom]

39. thats the spirit! nt

[Duval]

68. That's the way I feel!

So, we'll keep on, and two people here donated to Bernie a few mins. ago.

[azmom]

38. We did great. We are a grassroots campaign

Battling big $$$$$$$$$$. I am proud of what we have accomplished.


solidarity hermanos y hermanas

[restorefreedom]

40. indeed. i think he exceeded expectations. nt

[azmom]

43. Hell yeah. She's got the whole Democratic party

And millionaires behind her.

We are doing fantastic, plus hispanics broke for Bernie.

#UnidosConBernie

[restorefreedom]

46. absolutely. but she has m$$$$$$m on her side too. nt

[magical thyme]

44. Barack Obama 2008 45.09% of the vote.

Bernie came in ahead of Barack, just not in delegates.

Good 'nuff!

[restorefreedom]

47. great info, thanks! nt

[JGug1]

45. Nevada Win For Hillary

Discourage Bernie from continuing? Not at ALL. Nate Silver said it well. Hillary held serve in Nevada. She remains the favorite to win the nomination but Bernie will keep the fire to her toes......at least for some time down the road.

[pdsimdars]

48. nicely put

[restorefreedom]

49. thx :) and welcome to du! nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

50. Bernie won. I know it. Hopefully some media will report the truth.

[restorefreedom]

53. check out twitter

there have been a lot of "problems" and that is putting it nicely.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

65. Yes. Hopefully it will see the light of day.

If the networks don't report it, it may as well not exist.

[restorefreedom]

74. many people, fortunately, do not rely on msm

but social media. that is where the truth is told now.

[virgogal]

52. I'm old enough to remember our dismay when Dewey won in 1948 .

You get my drift?

It ain't over 'til it's over.

[restorefreedom]

55. it definitely aint over....:) nt

[840high]

64. I remember. I think I still

have the newspapers up in the attick. Those headlines!!!!

[Tarc]

57. Sanders is getting blown out in SC and 10 of 12 Super Tuesday states

It's over.

[dana_b]

63. says you

goodbye


Ahhh... NOW I feel better!

[Tarc]

92. You can't argue hard numbers

When Camp Sanders is confronted with them, they retreat.

[cui bono]

108. Those are hardly hard numbers. Hillary was up 25% in NV just one month ago.

Those numbers are the least hard numbers you can find. Polls change all the time.

Did you see the graph of Hillary's polling? It's not nearly what it was a month ago, let alone 6 months ago.

.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

67. win the battle and we will lose the war

Trump will beat her - not good

[Tarc]

91. Yes, this is the last, desperate hope of Camp Sanders

The spectre of Trump. That racist xenophobe is winning his primaries with 33%; if 2/3rds of the right-wingers hate him, then what do you think the rest of the country thinks of him? Please, either Sanders or Clinton will wipe the floor with that clown, drop your histrionics.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

94. we both hope you are correct

time will tell

[Karma13612]

80. Yea, sure.

Check back with us on March 2nd 2016

the head game is not going to work.

This country's future is at stake.

[rhett o rick]

116. Gloat if you will, but it aint over. Your Big Money candidate may get the WH but

sooner or later the People will prevail over you and the Oligarchy that you seem to worship.

How a Democrat can turn their back on the People and throw their support to Goldman-Sachs is beyond me.

[LibDemAlways]

117. Post of the night. ^^^^

The Democratic Party establishment has little interest in the 99%. The lip service and crumbs half-heartedly thrown our way by Hillary in-between big donor fundraisers is insulting. I don't think she will ever be President though. She'd have to win back a huge majority of the Bernie supporters, somehow earn the trust of Independents, and suppress the Republican vote. Nothing makes a Republican happier and more motivated than the thought of voting against a Clinton.

[Lordquinton]

61. This x1,000,000

This is huge! Hillary can manage a tie in caucus States, and the one primary so far she got creamed. This is a very tight race, don't let the spin get to you!

[restorefreedom]

75. yes, its a,long fight ahead. and most are primaries :) nt

[Todays_Illusion]

69. I agree another close election for Hillary in a state that one month ago was called for

a huge Hillary win.

[restorefreedom]

76. 25 points two months ago

and a 4.5 point win today.

that is not something to be happy about if you are her.

[Todays_Illusion]

78. And Harry Reid had to fly out to help her barely win.

[restorefreedom]

79. yes, i almost forgot that! nt

[Karma13612]

77. Yea Baby!!! POPT*!!!!!!

Have had a wee bit of wine,

and just finished watching Blacklist.

It's all good.

On to SC.

Just keep the faith, fight for the 99% and never give up.

*Power of positive Thinking

[restorefreedom]

82. couldn't resist

[Karma13612]

88. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!! eom

[restorefreedom]

89. sometimes, we just need a little austin :) nt

[cui bono]

110. That's what I should watch. Have yet to make it all the way through.

And tonight I won't have my mind altered so I should be able to stay awake.



.

[restorefreedom]

114. its worth it!!nt

[Don Draper]

81. I have no doubt Bernie would have beat Hillary

if this were a primary instead of a caucus. Caucuses are un democratic and need to go.caucuses are such bullshit.

[restorefreedom]

84. plus there are already accounts

of "problems" of various sorts. wonder which voters had those problems?

[SciDude]

83. It's not going to be easy to beat the oligarchs but we have no choice but to fight on.

Clinton is the highest ranking oligarch in American politics... it's not going to be easy to oust her but if we keep fighting eventually she and the oligarchs will come tumbling down.

Keep up the fight!

[restorefreedom]

85. yes, and welcome to du! nt

[SciDude]

106. Thanks!

I'm a long-time member of DKOS but finally had to leave because it is just too pro-Clinton/oligarch for my taste.

I love it here! Thanks!

[restorefreedom]

113. :) nt

[Todays_Illusion]

87. If I think the Democratic race is over, I think it is over for Hillary, that was a weak win.

For a gal with unlimited money.

[restorefreedom]

95. and the entire elite, party and media apparatus behind her. nt

[Todays_Illusion]

121. She couldn't have done without Harry Reid and I am not holding it against Harry that is the

part that is simple party politics, but what the DNC is up to including the decision to accept corporate money goes beyond that.

[restorefreedom]

123. definitely. he and his thug intimidation tactics sealed the deal. nt

[YOHABLO]

93. They were virtually tied in Iowa, Sanders cleaned up in NH ..NV Clinton won by a few

points. What's up with her yahooing it up? It's all so farcical. If she does pull this off I am going to be very worried about whether she can beat the Republican nominee. We've been riding this wave to fascism and this election will definitely be decisive as to which way we're going. Any of the top three Republican runners would be a nightmare.

[restorefreedom]

97. they all beat her but lose to bernie

if she is the nom, we better get used to president trump

[asuhornets]

96. Your words:

"many voters are disenfranchised." What a sore loser you are. If there were long lines how do you know they were in line for Bernie and not Hillary. There has been no reporting of any wrongdoing.

[restorefreedom]

98. there are plenty of threads of wrongdoing.

and no one should be kept out, whoever they support.

but thanks for kicking the thread!

[asuhornets]

100. whatever

i respond to many threads. your op is insinuating that Bernie supporters were denied the right to vote. Untrue.

[restorefreedom]

102. it appears a number of people did not get to vote

some of them may have been hillary supporters. many were first time voters. it is a reasonable assumption based on this campaign that many of them were for bernie.

i want to see everyone vote. but there is a simple solution.
the antiquated caucus system needs to go.

[FloridaBlues]

101. Ok March 15 it will be over

[restorefreedom]

103. mmmmm.., not sure hillary

will be ready to concede by then.

but we shall see...

[Gothmog]

104. Part of Sanders strategy was to focus on caucus states

A while back the Sanders team was focusing on caucus states and taking a play out of the Obama playbook http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-iowa-obama-playbook-218137

The Sanders campaign is finalizing plans for its alternative route to the Democratic nomination, a classic insurgent strategy that is heavily reliant on the limited number of states holding caucuses.
Story Continued Below

The idea is to take advantage of the caucus format, which tends to reward campaigns with the most dedicated partisans. The caucuses play to Sanders’ strength in another important way – they are largely held in states that are heavily white, which helps Sanders neutralize Clinton’s edge with minority voters.

With a dozen such contests coming before the end of March – and Clinton expected to perform well on March 1, the first big multi-state primary day -- the caucuses are emerging as an integral part of Sanders’ long-shot plan.

“Caucuses are very good for Bernie Sanders,” explained chief Sanders strategist Tad Devine, likening the 2016 strategy to the one he deployed as Mike Dukakis’ field director in 1988. “Caucuses tend to be in the much-lower turnout universe, and having people who intensely support you in events like that makes a huge difference. You saw that with President Obama in 2008, and you’re going to see it with Bernie Sanders."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-iowa-obama-playbook-218137#ixzz40lc9azQk

It will be interesting to see if Sanders is changing strategy

[restorefreedom]

105. hope so....i think primaries will be better than caucuses for him.nt

[Gothmog]

119. It may be hard for Sanders to compete in more diverse states than Iowa and New Hampshire

The sanders campaign focus on caucuses appears to be based on the realization that Sanders may not do well in primaries in states with more diverse populations.

[restorefreedom]

120. i think that theory is being dismantled as we speak. nt

[cui bono]

107. k n fucking r!

[restorefreedom]

115. :) nt

[Stuart G]

124. k and r...