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INdemo

(6,994 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:51 PM Feb 2016

My answer to Three Things Died In NV Today For Bernie (from Hillary Group)

(of which most of us Bernie Sanders supporters are barred)

No Bernie Sanders did not lose his mometum today
No he has not lost the primary
No Hillary Clinton has not won the primary/
Iowa....virtual Tie
NH Sanders won by 22%
Nev......Sanders lost by 4%

On to SC and super Tuesday

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My answer to Three Things Died In NV Today For Bernie (from Hillary Group) (Original Post) INdemo Feb 2016 OP
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2016 #1
Same here, Wellstone ruled Feb 2016 #8
Same here. She was "Madam Inevitable" not too long ago. senz Feb 2016 #41
Yeah, now the headline at HuffPo is "Hillary Hangs On" cui bono Feb 2016 #49
It's true and I love it! :D senz Feb 2016 #50
True. Even if it does make me fume. cui bono Feb 2016 #54
I say Bernie should get a money-bomb today! intrepidity Feb 2016 #2
I just sent him 50. I am really pissed at the irregularities reported. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #16
Let's stop responding to things posted in groups we are blocked from. Agschmid Feb 2016 #3
Why? artislife Feb 2016 #10
They're so damn sensetive. Chicago1980 Feb 2016 #39
SC, meh. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #4
Firewall!!! Firewall!!.. Firewall!.... SQUIRRELSQUIRRELSQUIRRELSQUIRRELSQUIRREL kristopher Feb 2016 #5
He lost NV bravenak Feb 2016 #6
She has to win SC by more than 22 for it to matter. basselope Feb 2016 #7
What interesting standards for winning bravenak Feb 2016 #9
What an INSPIRING message. Shandris Feb 2016 #11
Seriously mdbl Feb 2016 #15
Our party is split jham123 Feb 2016 #58
My dear bravenak. I want to tell you that I adore you, and respect you, but.... Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #20
I hope the superdelegate edge is irrelevant, SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #43
At this rate it will be irrelevant bravenak Feb 2016 #44
OK. Me, I'll just wait and see what happens. nt SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #45
Good idea bravenak Feb 2016 #46
Sanders' supporters need to layoff the Delores Huerta is a "liar" meme though brush Feb 2016 #52
OK. I'm not sure why this is a reply to my post, unless perhaps you want my opinion. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #57
Superdelegates RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #60
No One Ever Said It Would Be Easy noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #17
SC will not be 2008 Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #29
Might be closer but he still loses bravenak Feb 2016 #30
Bernie isn't Obama either. Chicago1980 Feb 2016 #40
I didn't say he was Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #51
Keep the dream alive Lordquinton Feb 2016 #32
Hahahahaha HA. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #33
Actually after Tuesday map looks even better for Sanders californiabernin Feb 2016 #35
Yeah, I hadn't cause it dont look good for him bravenak Feb 2016 #36
So for you where does NH enter into this equation... INdemo Feb 2016 #55
Very few black voters up there correct? bravenak Feb 2016 #56
A few months ago, I wouldn't have dreamed today's result possible. farleftlib Feb 2016 #12
Primary Predictions DownriverDem Feb 2016 #28
smoke it if ya got it Cryptoad Feb 2016 #13
Bernie is roaring up in her rear view mirror Arazi Feb 2016 #14
Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #53
When looking to the right they do. Go Vols Feb 2016 #59
Excellent. Let's also SUPPORT *TIM CANOVA FOR CONGRESS IN FL appalachiablue Feb 2016 #18
Well that is a really ignorant post californiabernin Feb 2016 #19
True, Sanders did not lose his momentum today, he really never had any to start with. But.... George II Feb 2016 #21
Bernie is important DownriverDem Feb 2016 #25
Be Prepared DownriverDem Feb 2016 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #23
Oh look, a meta thread. JTFrog Feb 2016 #24
I thought Nevada result was very good for Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #26
LOL! It's their Bubble Politicalboi Feb 2016 #27
Kicked and recommended! Duval Feb 2016 #31
losses are to be expected retrowire Feb 2016 #34
Not only that the Hillary campaign played dirty by turning out Cleita Feb 2016 #37
Funny jpb33 Feb 2016 #38
Sure thing... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #42
How is closing a 25 point lead from just one month ago to 4 points losing momentum? cui bono Feb 2016 #47
If Hillary would have won by .0001% INdemo Feb 2016 #48
Of course they want us to give up RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #61
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Same here,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

what I saw today was the enthusiasm and the sheer numbers that showed up on a 70 + degree day,doing their duty. Remember,Nevada has been a right leaning state and it appears the tide has turned towards the left.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
41. Same here. She was "Madam Inevitable" not too long ago.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:31 PM
Feb 2016

Now she's lucky to barely squeak by against one of the most principled candidates we've ever known, a candidate without her immense wealth, name recognition, and establishment endorsements.

She's learning that integrity is hard to beat and impossible to fake.


cui bono

(19,926 posts)
49. Yeah, now the headline at HuffPo is "Hillary Hangs On"
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

Not very good headline for someone who expected a coronation.

.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
50. It's true and I love it! :D
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

I also love that she's going dirty, because that's what dragged her down last time.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
54. True. Even if it does make me fume.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

But at the same time she wouldn't be doing it if she weren't threatened so...

FEEL THE BERN!!!




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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
3. Let's stop responding to things posted in groups we are blocked from.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

It's probably better for all of us.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
10. Why?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

I am not blocked.

But that is because I don't post there. I barely read there as I see only 4 posters due largely to my ignore list. This is kind of like the site that will watch Fox News so we don't have to. I like it when someone will jump in and sift through and bring a nugget out.

They aren't linking and making fun, just taking some talking points and allowing further discussion.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
4. SC, meh.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

But he's looking good in at least 4 Super Tuesday states. We HAVE to keep him alive to California

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
5. Firewall!!! Firewall!!.. Firewall!.... SQUIRRELSQUIRRELSQUIRRELSQUIRRELSQUIRREL
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

Note the national poll numbers assumed

Bernie Sanders’s Path To The Nomination
Here are the states he needs to win.


By NATE SILVER
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanderss-path-to-the-nomination/


 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
6. He lost NV
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

Here comes SC
He will do much worse there
His momentum is really going
Attention will be on the fact that he could not beat her
And the fact that her easier states and his hardest states are coming up
It only gets harder for him from here

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
7. She has to win SC by more than 22 for it to matter.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

Super tuesday is looking to be another tie with all states tightening.

The end is near for the Clinton Empire.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
9. What interesting standards for winning
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

Im sure she wins even if its by one point. She already has the superdelegate edge. He needs triumphant wins. She needs to tread water.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
11. What an INSPIRING message.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:18 PM
Feb 2016

"Vote for us! In the last year before the election, we managed to tread water!"

Nothing like admitting you think things are fine as they are. Well, okay, if that's your view.

jham123

(278 posts)
58. Our party is split
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:22 PM
Feb 2016

"Our" people are fighting tooth and nail against each other and many on both sides have been hit so hard by the other, no one will be able to heal by the time the GE rolls around.

And Trump is gathering the Pubs and Indies as we fight among ourselves

You are so correct, how does anyone think things are "OK"?? This is terrible.

 
20. My dear bravenak. I want to tell you that I adore you, and respect you, but....
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:38 PM
Feb 2016

Superdelegates means SHIT right now... They aren't even valid votes until June when they vote with the pledged delegates.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
43. I hope the superdelegate edge is irrelevant,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

seeing as how nobody voted for them. If Bernie does win the delegates awarded by vote/caucus and they don't flip, I give up on the system.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
44. At this rate it will be irrelevant
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

His numbers were terrible with black voters. We goin down south now. It will be brutal. Until colorado, vermont, maine... She will run the table else where and have the delegates way before the convention

brush

(53,925 posts)
52. Sanders' supporters need to layoff the Delores Huerta is a "liar" meme though
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:44 PM
Feb 2016

No need to alienate Latino voters too like the "Stockholm Syndrome poster did with AAs, who, btw, voted for Clinton something like 5 to 1 in Nevada.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
57. OK. I'm not sure why this is a reply to my post, unless perhaps you want my opinion.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

Whether or not it's wanted, here it is:
http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/ (FALSE)
I'm pleased, in a sad kind of way, to report that this is the top Google news result.

I can understand that maybe Huerta misheard in the heat of the moment (for instance, since "neutral" starts with an "n" sound, I can see how she might have assumed it continued to the word "no&quot , and would like to give her the benefit of the doubt, for sure.

However, I have not yet been able to Google anything about an apology, walkback, or even statement from her. If I have missed it, I would appreciate being directed to it.

I haven't read all my open tabs yet, so I don't know what is being said here. I don't like piling on, of course, but from what I see so far it looks like the facts are not with her.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
60. Superdelegates
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

Have been historically known to change their minds. Remember that Superdelegates are not committed to any candidate. They are free to vote for whomever they choose.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
17. No One Ever Said It Would Be Easy
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:33 PM
Feb 2016

No one ever said it would be easy but we are making progress. Do we have a lot of work to do? Absolutely.

In the first state this year with sizable numbers of minority voters, Sanders won Hispanics, 53-45 percent – in a group Clinton won with 64 percent support in 2008. That said, Clinton, in return, trounced Sanders among blacks, 76-23 percent. Blacks make up a much larger share of voters in the next state ahead for the Democrats, South Carolina.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-nevada-democratic-caucus-entrance-poll-analysis/story?id=37077053
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
36. Yeah, I hadn't cause it dont look good for him
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:20 PM
Feb 2016

At all.
I must needs to get that good stuff you all got

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
55. So for you where does NH enter into this equation...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

"Attn to the fact that he could not beat her"

He won by over 22% in NH
He lost by..........4% in NV

WTF are you talking about?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
56. Very few black voters up there correct?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:54 AM
Feb 2016

Her margins in the south will look like his in NH. But.. Theres more states and more delegates down there for her to pick up.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
12. A few months ago, I wouldn't have dreamed today's result possible.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

There is still a long way to go and Bernie is trending upwards, as I believe he will continue to do.

WTG, INdemo.

DownriverDem

(6,232 posts)
28. Primary Predictions
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:55 PM
Feb 2016

Please go to fivethirtyeight.com Then click on Primary Forecasts. The dropdown box allows you to pick whatever race you are interested in. Nate Silver is has an excellent reputation for predicting elections.

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. True, Sanders did not lose his momentum today, he really never had any to start with. But....
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:42 PM
Feb 2016

....with two of Sanders three strongest states having already voted, the pledged delegate count is now 50-50, and as some pundits are already saying, there is "no path to the nomination" now.

A 22% win in a tiny state got Sanders only 6 more delegates than Clinton, but Clinton got 2 more than him in Iowa and 4 more than him in Nevada.

He has seen his last lead.

DownriverDem

(6,232 posts)
25. Bernie is important
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie's ideas and proposals are very important for the country. His ideas will/have enlightened people to what we need and what is possible. This is how you bring the country along. His ideas will only grow in support. Hillary has been greatly affected by Bernie & it's a very good thing.

DownriverDem

(6,232 posts)
22. Be Prepared
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:47 PM
Feb 2016

Go to fivethirtyeight.com Click on the Primary Forecasts link at the top on the right. The drop down window allows you to follow whatever races you are following. It's very interesting. Nate Silver has a great reputation for predictions.

Response to INdemo (Original post)

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
24. Oh look, a meta thread.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:49 PM
Feb 2016

I imagine it was a rough day for some DUers.

On to SC and super Tuesday INDEED!!!!




Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
26. I thought Nevada result was very good for Bernie
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

He's now going to pick a good number of delegates and a lot of respect and donations. South Carolina is not going to be like 2008. The result could be fairly close.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
27. LOL! It's their Bubble
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:55 PM
Feb 2016

Makes me want to

They're cowards. No need for me to EVER be able to post in that sty. Let them sniff their own farts.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
37. Not only that the Hillary campaign played dirty by turning out
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:24 PM
Feb 2016

casino culinary workers at the last minute in Clark county when it looked like she wasn't winning. So now that we know they aren't above putting their thumb on the scale, what we have to do is have a much bigger turnout everywhere from now. A big turnout is the only way you beat dirty tricks.

jpb33

(141 posts)
38. Funny
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016


It's funny Republicans are always lambasted by Democrats for voting against their interests or being dumb because they vote for politicians who do not have their interests at heart. But I have to say at this point at least Republicans have finally realized that the leaders of the Republican party, the elite of the party, are not to be trusted and therefore should not be voted for.

In contrast to Democrats who always think we are smarter, more informed, and more superior to Republicans voters. However, Dems still have not realized what the Reps have realized this election season. And that is the Democratic party leaders, the party elites, do not have our interests at heart. They have been lying to us for the past 20 years. And here are the Dems voting for and rooting for Hillary Clinton, the elite of the elite in the Democratic party. After all the evidence of Hillary lying to us. After making herself super rich by selling herself to rich bankers, and corporations. Dems are still going to elect her as the nominee.

If Jeb Bush was in our party the Dems would be lining up to support him. At least the Republicans have finally seen through the charade and will no longer vote for the republican establishment candidate. The question is when will Democrats realize the same thing?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
47. How is closing a 25 point lead from just one month ago to 4 points losing momentum?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:23 PM
Feb 2016

They want us to give up.

We can't do that. This is too important.

I don't understand why they are so into supporting Wall Street, the health insurance industry and the private prison industry; fracking; TPP... what kind of Democrats are these who continue to desire this sort of country where the corporations control the govt?

The thing that is dying is democracy itself and Hillary supporters are working to put the nail in its coffin.

.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
48. If Hillary would have won by .0001%
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary and the corporate media would have treated it (like they did Iowa) a blow out.
At least Hillary waited to give her phony progressive victory speech after it was determined she won though

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