Get ready for a lot more insinuations that Bernie is a racist

[cali]

from Hill's camp in the next week. Just as in the lead up to Nevada where we've seen Hillary's surrogates claim that Bernie is anti-immigrant and xenophobic, in the lead up to SC, they'll lie about him.

It's how the Clinton machine operates: Lies, smears and innuendo.

[Nanjeanne]

1. I expect nothing less!

[TIME TO PANIC]

33. Oh, they won't disappoint.

... but it will backfire.

[PotatoChip]

2. Was it this bad in 2008?

The smears, I mean.

I wasn't on DU or any other social media back then, but have heard people talk about how bad the 08 "primary wars" were.

[cali]

3. Yes.

[SCantiGOP]

60. No, nothing like 2008

I've been here for 15 years and I've never seen anything like the paranoia and insistence on philosophical purity that the Sanders camp is posting every minute of the day.

[ananda]

64. Seriously?

Maybe we're not living on the same planet.

Sanders does stay on message though, and that message
is anti-corporate, pro-people.

[SCantiGOP]

67. Yes, seriously

I was very precise with my language. This place often looks like the Chinese Cultural Revolution in the 60s where people were denounced for the slightest variance from party ideology.

[notadmblnd]

78. Well then you have it backwards

According to HRC supporters here, Sanders is not a real democrat and is not a member of- nor does he do anything for the party.

[SCantiGOP]

80. Actually,

I believe Sanders has been quite open about the fact that he became a Democrat in order to run in the Dem primary.

[notadmblnd]

81. Well I'm not the one arguing that. HRC supporters are.

nt

[SCantiGOP]

84. ???

Sorry, does not compute

[Maedhros]

104. What you see as 'insistence on philosophical purity' is just liberal and progressive Democrats

saying that they have had enough of the Party moving to the right.

If you want to argue that the Party hasn't been moving to the right, and that liberal and progressive Democrats shouldn't be complaining about it, then go right ahead.

Obviously, from the tone and content of your posts, you are upset that we are rejecting the rightward trend.

[SCantiGOP]

106. Nothing

absolutely nothing in my post references a rightward trend in our party. I didn't expect anyone from the Sanders side to address my statement and if you read the responses you will see that they didn't.

[Maedhros]

107. I directly addressed your statement RE: "purity"

which I shouldn't have done, because you are not interested in dialog but only in insulting people.

/ignore list.

[myrna minx]

8. 2008 was horrible as was 2004. There was never a civil primary season here.

Each and every one has it's each own signature nastiness. It's politics, unfortunately.

[Depaysement]

13. I would say it was a bit worse in 2008

But if Bernie wins today, it will soon exceed the venom of 2008. Cali is spot on.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

28. Yes, and many black voters were telling DUers how racist Hillary Clinton is. That fell on deaf ears

DU ignored there racism from HRC's camp when it was Barack Obama.

Now that it's Bernie, suddenly DU is bringing up all the evidence of HRC racism that I and many other POC DUers have been presenting for years.

Only now does DU care about racism when it has to do with Bernie.

The hypocrisy is amazing to me.

[TTUBatfan2008]

43. What about...

...those of us who supported Obama and Sanders? There are plenty of us here. I saw the race card from the Clintons in each instance. Amazing to me that they play it in both directions.

[Dustlawyer]

55. I am a white male who voted for Obama twice and supports Sanders.

It wasn't right then and it still isn't now!

Bill and Hillary have a history of saying totally different things to different groups. That's how Bill was able to get AA support while screwing them over. Reagan wasn't the only Teflon President! Now Hillary proclaims to be a Progressive who has and will fight Wall Street even though she and Bill have become part of the 1% thanks to the big money speeches they gave to the Wall Street banks. The mixed messages continue since she will not release her speeches to the banks and expects us to trust her that she was tough on them.

Hillary will continue the practice of using African Americans to get elected, and then taking their support for granted while pushing the TPP and other trade agreements that take their jobs away.

Bernie has long fought for equality for everyone, all minorities, including LGBT back when that was a kiss of death for a politician. Bernie has proven that he truly cares about these issues because he has ALWAYS been for them! He didn't have to wait and evolve in 2013, when he was getting ready to run for the White House and the poll numbers would finally show a majority of Americans would support the position. That's what Hillary did! Bernie never called young black males "Super Predators" and state that they must "...be brought to heel!"

[Robbins]

45. that's not true

many obama supporters noticed her racism during 2008 campagin.there are people who supported obama in 2008 now supporting
bernie.

the biggest WTF moment of this race is her trying to hide behind obama.suddenly obama walks on water according to her.she didn't even believe that as late as 2014.

[TIME TO PANIC]

56. From what I've seen ....

Some (not all) Hillary supporters make the claim that Sanders is out of touch with POC, then (some) Sanders supporters take it personally and get over defensive. You can't blame Bernie supporters. When you compare each candidates policies, Bernie's ideas are leaps and bounds better (especially when it comes to the criminal justice system), so why wouldn't we defend it.

It's unfortunate that racism isn't discussed more often, but I wouldn't call it hypocrisy.

[fun n serious]

59. I resent the accusation.

I support Hillary, voted for Obama twice. If Bernie wins the nomination, I will vote for him. I saw the racism here but it's not a group of supporters from any side. It's individual ignorance.

[w4rma]

77. I was posting on DU and supporting Obama and was completely pissed off about HRC's racism.

Your caricature of DU is incorrect. Clinton wasn't supported by most DUers back then, either.

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. We were so amused by HRC antics

that the Special Comments from Keith Olberman were posted here, becuase we were in the tank.

Your memories are wrong sir. People were pissed by that behavior, and many of us are pissed by it all over again

[forest444]

36. As far as th Clinton campaign, it was even worse.

Here's one of the better known examples: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/26/barackobama.uselections2008

[Bradical79]

90. I don't know about here, but Clinton supporters did start the birther movement in the '08 primaries

...so yeah, things did get pretty ugly. Couldn't say if anyone here was rotten enough to take up that cause though.

[FarPoint]

4. What's the matter???

Bernie can't take the pressure? Does he regret his campaign run?

[Motown_Johnny]

5. We have a problem with dishonesty.

How is that not obvious?

[cali]

6. Strawman. Did I say anything about how Bernie handles pressure?

Or how he feels about his run? No. I spoke of how the Clinton machine orchestrates smears.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. I mean if lies and smears are fair game....we can start talking about 'lies' and smears hiding

in Clinton's closet.

[Duckhunter935]

11. so lies and smears are a good thing

And we should support them and the candidates who use them?

[jeff47]

23. Would you like us to talk about Vince Foster's "murder"?

Or is lying bad?

[FarPoint]

24. Poor Mr Foster,

God rest his soul, was a troubled man ...took his own life.

[frylock]

93. Yeah, well some people say...

[Z_California]

58. Got it, you are in favor of lying and slimy politics

Good for you, have a cookie.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

65. For me, the "matter" is honesty and integrity. It's about people who lie to my face.

[frylock]

92. Get back to us when Jane Sanders gets on stage and whinges about internet trolls.

[Motown_Johnny]

7. Just for the record.

[restorefreedom]

14. body slam!

excellent, motown johnny!

edit...i gotta stop watching WWE.....

[FarPoint]

16. This looks like a Photoshop picture....

It indeed may be 100% authentic....I just sense it is... coming out for campaign propaganda... I just don't know.... I can't trust new history references during heated campaigns. So it does remind me of Forest Gump a bit. Bravo and thank you Mr. Sanders if it is factual.

[Motown_Johnny]

17. Then watch the video.

Plus a couple other links which confirm that it is him:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/02/17/video_may_show_bernie_sanders_1963_civil_rights_protest_arrest.html


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

[FarPoint]

19. I okay

Will do....

[Motown_Johnny]

20. That was 1963, in 1968 Hillary was STILL working to get Republicans elected.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/

^snip^

"I wasn’t born a Democrat," Hillary Rodham Clinton writes on page one of her autobiography, "Living History."
She grew up in Park Ridge, Ill., a Republican suburb of Chicago, and describes her father, Hugh Rodham Jr., as a "rock-ribbed, up-by-your-bootstraps, conservative Republican and proud of it" (page 11). Her 9th-grade history teacher was also a very conservative Republican who encouraged her to read Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater’s 1960 book, "Conscience of a Conservative," which inspired Clinton to write a term paper on the

Goldwater is remembered for saying, in his speech accepting the Republican nomination for president in 1964, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice … and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." He lost to President Lyndon Johnson in a landslide, eking out only 38.5 percent of the popular vote.
Clinton writes that she began to have doubts about Goldwater’s politics even before she left high school, when a teacher forced her to play President Johnson during a mock presidential debate in order to "learn about issues from the other side" (page 24). Later, as a junior at Wellesley College, she writes, "I had gone from being a Goldwater Girl to supporting the anti-war campaign of Eugene McCarthy," driving to New Hampshire on weekends to stuff envelopes and walk precincts (pages 32-33). Even so, she also worked as a Washington, D.C., intern for Gerald Ford, who was then the Republican leader of the House, and she attended the 1968 Republican convention to work for New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller’s unsuccessful effort to get the GOP presidential nomination (pages 34-35).

[frylock]

96. But Forrest Gump!!1

Can you believe this shit?

[Motown_Johnny]

98. I try to ignore the distractions.

The quality of the video, as well as the clothing being worn, is similar to that portrayed in the movie.


Besides that, not much similarity.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

66. It's not a photoshop picture. It's been confirmed, and the matter is settled.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. The paper confirmed it came from their own archives

[frylock]

95. jeez

[Odin2005]

85. BOOM, there it is!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

94. Yeah!

[Duckhunter935]

10. of course they will

She has her surrogates do the ugly attacks for her.

[restorefreedom]

15. well, she and her corporate minions

ARE fans of outsourcing, after all....

[AtomicKitten]

12. She learned nothing from 2008.

Outside the Clinton bubble, her campaign's inceessant barrage of nastiness produced quite the opposite of what they hoped for. Seeing a repeat of that failed strategy is stunning. Even if she manages to make it to the GE, she will have long since alienated the support she will need to win guaranteeing that she will never be president.

Proceed, Secretary.

[farleftlib]

100. It's really stunning

the repeat of the nastiness. Nobody is going to vote for that in the GE. Heckuva job, Brownie.

[giftedgirl77]

18. You gotta link to that silly accusation?

[cali]

21. Sure:

Top Clinton Ally: "Black Lives Don't Matter to Bernie Sander
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/21/david_brock_black_lives_don_t_matter_to_bernie_sanders.html

Have another:

House Dem: I'm not sure Bernie Sanders likes immigrants

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/244696-house-dem-im-not-sure-bernie-sanders-likes-immigrants

[bravenak]

27. No. It's just throwing the kitchen sink at Hillary

[cali]

46. Sure, ignore the evidence

You crack me up more each day.

[bravenak]

47. At least one person gets it

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. Silly (Gifted) Girl ...

HRC Campaign: "We will lift the Minimum Wage; but, no, that is not a part of our plan to address institutional racism."

DU:Bernie: "Did you hear that? The HRC campaign just called Bernie a racist!!!!!"

[Jefferson23]

22. Yes, as Bernie said after NH, they're now going to throw the kitchen sink at us.

We have his back as much as possible, you check in with reddit?

Support for Bernie is growing across the country rapidly and are
protective of him from her campaign slander.

I have to wonder, they seem blind to her trustworthy numbers.
How does this help change that?

[underpants]

25. Yeah, that'll be new

[bravenak]

26. I never actually hear any one claiming this. I only hear people saying people are calling him one.

But no one ever actually calls him one no matter how many forshadowing posts and ops and diaries I read. It's like the opposite of fishing for compliments.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

29. I've never heard one POC or anyone actually call Bernie Sanders a racist. You and I know these

people are full of shit!

[bravenak]

32. Real shit

I only hear it from them. Any link they submit does not ever have anyone calling him racist.
I am going to enjoy him not winning the black vote.

[yourpaljoey]

31. Why wait till next week, let the stupid begin now: Not Enough Bernie!

[earthside]

34. Hillary is a 'Southern Strategy' kind of candidate.

Her ambition to gain the presidency is so consuming, in my opinion, that she will resort to the basest, most divisive tactics she and her inner circle can contrive.

It is a kind of ironic Southern Strategy ... playing to fear, resentment and indignation.

Remember, she was raised as a Republican, she spent a lot of time in Arkansas, she wants lots of power and lots of money, she feels cheated by what happened in 2008, and the Clintons hold political grudges.

The Clinton machine will get very nasty and vile if it feels threatened once again.

Heaven help us if she gets the nomination because she ultimately will be her own worst enemy and she will take down the Democratic Party with her

[SoapBox]

50. ^^^ This! ^^^

Well said.

No More Clintons.

[leftofcool]

35. Funny that no HRC supporter has ever called him that.

[RoccoR5955]

42. That's because they haven't been told to do so YET! n/t

[bettyellen]

75. FUTURECRIME!!

[azurnoir]

53. yep that seems the case never ever use the "R" word however

pony up blogs like "Berniesoblack"

impune his civil rights record-claim that's not him it's some dead guy

claim well maybe he's a good guy and all but he left Brooklyn and moved to Vt to be around his own kind meaning white folks albeit that's a joke too because Bernies a Jew and if he really wanted to move somewhere he'd be around "his own kind" I seriously doubt Vt would have been his first choice

then claim after attacking him about race any attempt by his supporters to defend him is "whitesplaining" racist, you name it

oh and then claim his supporters are racist are the racists and they're mean to us on twitter


all of this started within hours of his announced candidacy on behalf of his opponent who ran an openly racist campaign 8 years ago against Barack Obama and lost

[snort]

62. Sums that shit right on up.

Bernie!

[Armstead]

71. Bingo

[Jefferson23]

89. Yea, that is the sad part, some don't seem to see the implications made by the Clinton campaign.

It is mixed in, in a cynical manner with legitimate criticism of Bernie, imo. It is propped
with a hmmmmm for some. Wonder why that Bernie has these troubles, hmmm.
Her tactics are not about legitimate critics of Bernie, it is her exploitation of those
real concerns some people have that they capitalize on.

I have found no one in our party as cynical a politician as Hillary Clinton, just
like last time.

[frylock]

99. +1

[dana_b]

101. so much passive aggressiveness

from the Clinton camp. Why don't they just come on out and say it?

[Armstead]

70. No just "racially insensitive" and has a "problem with AAs and Latinos" and....

"thinks that economics is the only answer to racial issues."

[Duval]

37. We'll be ready. She makes me want to chew nails.

[SMC22307]

105. LOL, that's a good way of putting it. I just re-read the Froma Harrop hit piece...

about Bernie white-flighting to Vermont, and have to say the same about her.

[RoccoR5955]

40. Can you quote any?

I didn't think so.

[Gman]

41. Do you support Bernie?

If so, you need to look yourself.

[RoccoR5955]

44. Is that supposed to answer my question?

I didn't think so.
I guess you cannot answer the question. So are you pulling this out of the air or something?

[earthside]

54. That's bigotry itself.

"They" can't help ourselves. "They" don't know any better.

"They" "inadvertently" aren't "actual" racists because they are who they are.

I suppose that applies to all of Hillary's "largely white" supporters, too?
Oh, somehow they are different.

You just keep up that kind of thinking and spread it around and Hillary (if heaven forbid she got the nomination) would not carry a single state in November.

[cali]

72. Bullshit. How Clintonesqe. No wonder most Americans think she is so liar.

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. And HRC supporters querstion where I was born

and whether I qualify as a POC, since I am melanin challenged. And yes, I have posted full quotes on this site in the past.

So start by policing your own. And that my dear, was pretty racist.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. What for instance?

The Clintons have said many racist things

[RoccoR5955]

39. Their desperation strategy is to lie a lot and often.

I have seen this before.
They tried it with Obama and failed.
They will fail once again.

[Nyan]

48. Oh yeah. you can count on it.

But will it work? I doubt it. At least not as much as they hope it would.

[Zorra]

49. Third Way's "Not good enough, Bernie" smear campaign has been

instrumental in driving many lifelong Dems out of the party, helped convince many Dems and left indies that they could not vote for Hillary and maintain any measure of self respect, and, subsequently, has erased any possibility of Hillary winning the General Election if she is (goddess forbid), nominated.

Brilliant political strategy.

[snort]

68. OMFSM!

I had not seen that one yet. They were chained together? Wow. Uh, yeah, that is walking the walk. Bernie!

[Zorra]

73. We always have to beware of more dirty tricks from ThirdWay/Clinton campaign.

I can't personally vouch for these photos, because I wasn't there.

If Bernie's campaign says they are accurate, I will vouch for them.

[jwirr]

114. Agreed. The link has a great article on the protest that

gives all of this relevance.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

51. In support of that meme, on Twitter atm, I've seen a number of tweets that state that if

Sanders gets the WH, he'll be closing down all sorts of Historic Black Universities. Florida Memorial, Howard, HustonTillotson, Jarvis Christian, Fisk University, Edward Waters, and on and on.

I'm vaguely guessing the uniting thread is that they're all religious schools, but I don't know why in particular it's being said that they 'will be closed if Bernie Sanders becomes President'.

Anyone know why that's being said? (ETA: all tweets saying so from @trueblacknews )

[arcane1]

79. He's a Jewish racist, so naturally black Christians are his target. Or something.

No lie is too big, apparently.

[farleftlib]

103. Nailed it

Unfortunately the prejudice is on the other side. A good offense is the best defense and all that.

[SciDude]

116. The oligarchy is fighting for surivival so expect there is no limit to what the oligarchs

are willing to do to maintain their power. Expect the lies to only progressively get more preposterous with time as the Clinton establishment follows the "kitchen sink and tons of ca$h" political strategy to win.

[freepotter]

112. Another common thread is that they are all private

I read a discussion lately about private universities going our of business (bankrupt) if Bernie's plan to make state colleges free is implemented. That was also an argument long ago for having low cost state colleges, but the privates are still going strong. I've not heard that he has any plan for closing any kind of schools.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

113. I think that's more like it, although someone had posted elsewhere that 3/4 of all HBCUs are

actually public. In other threads it was also pointed out that private universities did just fine in California back in the days when public schools were tuition free. Just because a school is free doesn't mean that it's going to be able to accommodate any more students than it's handling already. If anything, it's likely MORE schools would be needed if more people are looking at going to colleges.

[jwirr]

115. They are saying that the free tuition to public schools would

close down these private black schools. I will be honest enough to say that would have to be looked at before a bill was looked at.

[R B Garr]

52. Ooh, you seem to have quite a "machine" of your own.

[frylock]

102. Woody had a machine as well.

[Amimnoch]

57. *sigh* can't we save something for the Republicans?

Neither of our candidates is a racist.

Either would do whatever they could with the congress they will get to promote racial justice, and promote race causes.

This is not one of the areas in which they differ.

[backscatter712]

61. Yep. It's disgusting. To think that someone who claims to be a Democrat would stoop to swiftboating.

What can I say about Hillary Clinton? Act like a Republican if you like, but don't wonder why I treat you with the same contempt I give to Republicans...

[DisgustipatedinCA]

63. How many Sanders supporters do you suppose will forget about all of this? I'd say not many.

I never forget.

[MisterP]

69. they're already saying we're all "manarchists": maybe the tide's shifting in an equally stupid way

they remind me of D'Aubuisson (who shot the archbishop and several other clerics): in his speeches he'd scream and scream and rant and chop a watermelon in half to show that the rival party was "red on the inside": everything was Commie, Commie, Commie, even the right-wing officials

and given what she's done to Central America even a few years ago, the comparison's apt

[bettyellen]

74. I haven't seen that. Out of touch and new to working on issues of POC, yes. Racist, never.

[Cassiopeia]

76. But Hillary told us just a couple days ago she doesn't lie.

Oh yeah, that was another lie.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. I also expect not a good American

and a few classic anti semitic tropes.

There, I said it.

This is just starting to get nasty. By the time this cycle is over, it will make 2008 racism look like beginners luck.

[Odin2005]

83. Camp Windsock seems to be preying on African-Americans' historical memory...

...regarding white populists and how Blacks were often excluded from populist and New Deal programs, and thus implying that any white populist is going to screw them over, it's disgusting.

[bobthedrummer]

88. It's WAR then!!!

K&R

[Zorra]

108. English Only!!11!!

[AzDar]

109. You called it.

[uponit7771]

110. Cornell West, Sanders self chosen surrogate, called Obama some for of the N-word and somehow

... Sanders is the victim?!

wow

[Beacool]

111. Yawn.....

Some of you need to learn how to lose with grace.

I noticed than when Hillary gave her speech and congratulated Sanders, the people in attendance whooped and hollered. In NH, when Sanders gave his speech and mentioned Hillary, some of his supporters booed and yelled "liar". Classless and tacky response, it reminded me of Joe Wilson yelling liar at Obama.

Youth is no excuse for poor sportsmanship and bad manners.