2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow does she do it?
I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling occasionally frustrated that I don't know what the Clinton campaign's answer is to this or that new allegation. Just a couple of weeks ago, I thought FINALLY, when a spokesperson explained a missing piece for me. He pointed out that there is an inter-agency disagreement (state and defense) because Hillary's e-mails are destined to be made public, and they sometimes have different standards for what they now wish to keep from the public. A small point that maybe most people understood. Still, I was glad to hear it explained.
And then I got involved in this website and saw first hand the enormous flood of distortions and baseless allegations that are flung at Hillary. I see much better now why she mostly declines to discuss them. It would take up all her time. It's mind boggling. I expect the campaign has well-honed procedures whereby they determine that something has gained enough momentum that it needs to be addressed. Procedures honed over decades. Remember when the allegation was being made that she killed Vince Foster????
How does she do it? It certainly works out in my mind as a strong recommendation for her having the grit and poise to be President!
Note: I recommend TruthorFiction.com as a place to get a clear story.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Those Republicans who have spent years trying to find anything on the Clintons. I know how much you wish that there was just one little thing in one little email with which to hang Hillary. Even if there was a snowballs' chance in hell of finding anything, Bernie will still never be President of this country.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Fla Dem
(23,785 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)He as nothing but the enthusiasm of regular people. He started off with huge handicaps. She should have swept Iowa a d NH. She didn't.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)of being someone who has been publicly attacked for more than 25 years, and who also is a woman.
Bernie has all the advantages of being a shiny new presence (since few really knew much about him until a few months ago) who has not yet been vetted, plus of being a man in a game that so far is men 44, woman 0.
See how you can simply argue the other way around?
cali
(114,904 posts)That works both ways. And she brought on some of the attacks. In any case, her advantages far outweigh her disadvantages. She has the democratic establishment putting both hands on the scale. Hillary's worst problem is... Hillary.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)While there are some, like me, who like the fact that Hillary is a woman, there are a lot more people who are subconsciously react against her, judge her more harshly, etc., because of that. History, even modern history, does not exactly show being female as a huge advantage when it comes to public life.
Yes, having the Democratic establishment can be an advantage. Except in an Age of Anger, which we clearly are in. There is no doubt that at least part of Bernie's success so far has to do with the anti-establishment anger that has developed over the last several years. (Trump benefits from the right wing version of this, although of course he and Bernie have little else in common.)
The reality is that Bernie has a lot going for him. Hillary has the advantage of being a known figure and of having the establishment for her. But those can also be disadvantages, and I must say, the Bernie campaign has very successfully turned those into disadvantages for her. Bernie has the disadvantage of being a relative unknown, to be sure, but with an electorate that likes shiny and new, and in a time of anger, that can be an advantage.
I'm not saying any of this to diss your candidate (I like him just fine, although I strongly prefer Hillary, for various reasons). I just think that the picture is complex, and both candidates have things going for and against them in the primaries, just like either one would have things going for or against them in the general.
Fla Dem
(23,785 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,335 posts)I don't disagree with anything you said (except your preference).
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)And we should feel sorry for her and vote for her because her genitals are not those of a man's?
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)that is EXACTLY what I said. It all comes down to genitals. The moment a woman's gender is mentioned, it's just genitals everywhere.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)...I'm looking for integrity and a strong moral compass.
GO BERNIE!
I was thinking the same thing.
Paka
(2,760 posts)Great to have you here.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Good post!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Or maybe she had an epiphany when she was dodging those bullets from the sniper?
Maybe she gained the ability to "do it" when she voted for the Iraq War Resolution.
Grit and poise in a dissembling, democracy undermining, lying puppet of the corporations is a lousy attribute for a Democratic Party candidate.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)with the Clinton Foundation establishes her 'grit' to be our president.
As my dad says, she's as crooked as a dog's leg.
I'm so incredibly ashamed such a corrupt person is being fully backed by my party.
And no one cares she is for job-killing trade that sends our jobs overseas so others can work at slave wages.
And no one cares she is the largest beneficiary of fossil fuel company donations, and wall street.
Do you think they want her to win because she will work against their profit over people agendas?
And she's against labeling our food so Americans can make informed choices on whether they eat GMO foods or not. BigAg gives big as well. Monsanto, Sygenta, Bayer....so much for giving a damn about our butterflies & bees.
War! Profiteers on our endless wars love Hillary too. Private prison owner who profit from more inmates as well.
The whole thing disgusts me. This OP disgusts me.
She is purchased & corrupt & is fooling a whole lot of people.
Enjoy your status quo corruption & the continued downfall of America if she wins & continues the trend Of republican policies in the name of the Democratic Party.
You can have it.
Response to RiverLover (Reply #12)
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Thank you!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Maybe I'm just slow this morning, but I don't see the controversy with that post.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Yeah, the documented fact that the head of a gov't department set up her own email servers so she and her special buds could use them and not be subject to FOIA as long as they were emailing each other is EXACTLY like phony rumours that she murdered someone.
Vinca
(50,318 posts)The majority of people are aware the FBI doesn't start an investigation unless they think a crime has been committed. If she becomes the nominee and still has that as a cloud over her head we could have a very bad outcome. If you've paid any attention at all to politics, you would know that facts don't matter. The entire Trump campaign as based on that and he's winning.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)I saw to my surprise that you can actually look at a message hidden by jury decision. I couldn't disagree more with the writer's opinion that this is worth pursuing, but I certainly think Dupper has the right to express his/her opinion! There was no obscenity. No ad hominem attacks. I didn't bother to follow the link,since it was just someone's opinion, but if Dupper was only pointing to what someone else said, then so what? The jury said it was "disruptive, insensitive, hurtful, rude, over-the-top or otherwise inappropriate.
You can see it by clicking SHOW, and I'd like to donate this post as a place where you can reply to it and agree all you want. Hillary, I'm sure, does not want to be "protected" by incursions on our precious right of free speech.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I use different selection criteria.
kelly1mm
(4,735 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)It's really sweet of you to come here and put us all in our place and set us straight. What about all the lies she's told, and the ugly campaign tactics she's using again Bernie? I supposed you want us to give her a pass on all of that, right? After all she can't help it, she's only trying to win what's rightfully hers.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Maybe in certain authoritarian states....