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Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:50 PM Feb 2016

Definitive photo of young activist Bernie Sanders emerges from Tribune archives

A Chicago Tribune archival photo of a young man being arrested in 1963 at a South Side protest is Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, his campaign has confirmed, bolstering the candidate's narrative about his civil rights activism.

The black-and-white photo shows a 21-year-old Sanders, then a University of Chicago student, being taken by Chicago police toward a police wagon. An acetate negative of the photo was found in the Tribune's archives, said Marianne Mather, a Chicago Tribune photo editor.

"Bernie identified it himself," said Tad Devine, a senior adviser to the campaign, adding that Sanders looked at a digital image of the photo. "He looked at it — he actually has his student ID from the University of Chicago in his wallet — and he said, 'Yes, that indeed is (me).'" Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont, was traveling Friday near Reno, Nev., on the eve of the state's Democratic presidential caucuses.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html


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Definitive photo of young activist Bernie Sanders emerges from Tribune archives (Original Post) Fawke Em Feb 2016 OP
Thank you. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #1
I hope people are flooding Jonathan Capehart's Twitter feed with this. eom Fawke Em Feb 2016 #2
Fuck Capehart dorkzilla Feb 2016 #33
Capehart caused more imagery to surface than he ever imagined tomm2thumbs Feb 2016 #70
Somebody on reddit matched up the video with the arrest photo Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #112
great analysis, and seeing the cameraman and photographer tomm2thumbs Feb 2016 #113
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #3
What's up with the baby? Fawke Em Feb 2016 #6
What's to mock? This proves Bernie is real as an anti-racist fighter Ken Burch Feb 2016 #7
Then again ... senz Feb 2016 #27
Where's Capehart? Politicalboi Feb 2016 #4
Still on twitter standing by his claim "nobody knows for sure" Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #65
Only his hairdresser knows for sure. Oilwellian Feb 2016 #102
Bernie Sanders would not monicaangela Feb 2016 #5
He is real and people see that nt kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #19
Absolutely it shoud be obvious to anyone monicaangela Feb 2016 #83
Equally as bad Oilwellian Feb 2016 #105
It is an enigma monicaangela Feb 2016 #140
I brought this up on another site, and you'd have thought I advocated killing kittens for profit Siwsan Feb 2016 #154
I know exactly what you mean Siwsan monicaangela Feb 2016 #158
While Clinton was a young REPUBLICAN, this is what Bernie was doing. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #8
Right on. AllyCat Feb 2016 #69
This photo warms my heart, the one officer is really wrenching his arm. Keep resisting Bernie! nt. Snotcicles Feb 2016 #9
He's is the original Thug. He's wearing a hoodie. nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #11
LMAO! You're right! Fawke Em Feb 2016 #13
Luckily those cops are bringing him to heel n/t DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #10
LOL! (nt) CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #58
Nicely done! JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #91
Kickin' & a Recken' 2banon Feb 2016 #12
K & R! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #14
Stealing!! Fawke Em Feb 2016 #17
Good because I stole it too! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #22
We're all Uriah Heep today--stealing when we should've been buying. Thanks for the photo, BMUS. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #75
I saw them in concert!!! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #78
That's pretty awesome. I didn't get to see a concert until '86. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #80
I saw UH in the 80's, they weren't as popular as in the 70's but we didn't care. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #81
Can I steal that image? Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #26
It's not mine, I borrowed it from someone else! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #28
Not considering someone (cough) stole it from Mike__M Feb 2016 #36
Busted! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #38
It was just someone who looked similar Mike__M Feb 2016 #40
Yes, indeed! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #61
And they put awesome graffiti all over it Oilwellian Feb 2016 #84
OK good, because I already ordered a 2' X 4' banner using it. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #48
You, of all people, senz Feb 2016 #35
If the shoe fits, take it Mike__M Feb 2016 #39
Beautiful. senz Feb 2016 #30
There is a whole set of pictures on the Tribune website Nacho-_-Bandito Feb 2016 #15
Yep. The pics are fascinating! Fawke Em Feb 2016 #16
Interesting these photos show Sanders with curly wavy hair. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #55
What is interesting about that? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #94
Why is it "interesting"? He had curly hair: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #127
I'm liking the Bernie-in-a-hoodie angle. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #110
Here is John Lewis sheshe2 Feb 2016 #18
If he runs for President I can see myself supporting him. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #20
This was at the same time Thom Hartmann was campaigning for Goldwater. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #59
And if he runs for President, it is very unlikely I will support him Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #86
At least Thom Hartmann acknowledges it and explains his circumstances? cascadiance Feb 2016 #109
This has been explained by Hillary, I have not heard Hartmann Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #122
He talks about it frequently on his show on how his dad (a Republican) got him on these campaigns cascadiance Feb 2016 #146
Exactly cascadiance monicaangela Feb 2016 #159
Reading this might give you some insight. Tanuki Feb 2016 #138
That still is third hand spin from the likes of David Brock (working like Capehart does)... cascadiance Feb 2016 #147
I have not read her memoir, but I believe she addresses it there. Tanuki Feb 2016 #155
Did you read your link?... cascadiance Feb 2016 #156
Lewis isn't running for president. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #21
Funny thing is... Nacho-_-Bandito Feb 2016 #23
Team Hillary could care less about Bernie's minute little arrest. leftofcool Feb 2016 #37
Exactly... Yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Fearless Feb 2016 #44
hahahahaha Fairgo Feb 2016 #97
Which is... Nacho-_-Bandito Feb 2016 #49
they don't have any of hill. she was helping a roguevalley Feb 2016 #57
I'd love to see some of the things you've written about him in the past. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #85
Love John Lewis... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #88
"Team Hillary *couldn't* care less..........." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #92
Yeah, clearly. frylock Feb 2016 #114
I wonder if John Lewis endorsed Bernie, if THEN you couldn't care less of Lewis's arrests? cascadiance Feb 2016 #157
So you do something heroic you must be free from criticism DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #25
That only applies to one Bernie Sanders Empowerer Feb 2016 #47
John Lewis is a hero in our home. leftofcool Feb 2016 #34
solidarity! sheshe2 Feb 2016 #41
I agree bravenak Feb 2016 #82
And what better way to honor your hero than by shitting on Bernie? frylock Feb 2016 #116
Yes, along with an altar and velvet pictures of him. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #124
Bernie never trashed him. Bernie always speaks highly of him. senz Feb 2016 #45
Really? sheshe2 Feb 2016 #50
Really. senz Feb 2016 #52
If you have visual proof to the contrary, now is the time to post it. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #148
Show me a single poster that questioned Lewis's activism nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #54
Read DU. nt sheshe2 Feb 2016 #63
We must be reading two different sites nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #66
... sheshe2 Feb 2016 #72
That is all you have nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #73
............... sheshe2 Feb 2016 #119
Must really suck to go from somebody I used to respect nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #142
Link it or lump it. frylock Feb 2016 #117
There is precisely one post, from a neub nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #144
Damn, those photos are amazing! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #67
Serious question nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #68
Are you asking if I think the cops have stopped? CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #71
Indeed nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #74
Cameras may help in some instances CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #87
I have been reading on the 1960s and how we got to today nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #89
Great reporting CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #93
Well Governor Brown has a justice reform for the state nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #96
Selma sheshe2 Feb 2016 #79
Thank you for these. CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #90
I can't even say what your comment means to me. sheshe2 Feb 2016 #100
Even icons make terrible mistakes leveymg Feb 2016 #115
"Nothing is free." mhatrw Feb 2016 #128
That's just a kick-ass photo of Sanders...most especially because he didn't release it. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #24
How can you support a criminal to be president? jberryhill Feb 2016 #29
>Hillary has no arrest record. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #31
How sad that protesting segregation Oilwellian Feb 2016 #95
It's a conservative mindset. Pay no mind to the jersey they sport. frylock Feb 2016 #118
That is insanely cool Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #32
Thats a smokin pic of Bernie Fawke Em... Segami Feb 2016 #42
The WaPo will claim its Bruce Rappaport. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #46
Excellent. KICK. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #43
Bernie has fought for PoC and other oppressed groups his entire career. senz Feb 2016 #51
Is it just me? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #53
I just did over the twitter nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #56
Sweet! HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #60
Yep Kalidurga Feb 2016 #111
He is being "attacked" by media folks nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #143
Capehart blocked me. Here's how to go around the block DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #149
Yup nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #150
He's going to need to abandon social media completely if he wants to be left alone. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #152
There are demands to that effect nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #153
Interesting take from Tony Trupiano nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #62
I love this man libodem Feb 2016 #64
If you wanted street cred in the sixties, that's was how to get it Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #76
I would like to hear the story Mnpaul Feb 2016 #77
There's also a Gallery Oilwellian Feb 2016 #99
Great! Now I'm gonna be up too late Googling "Willis Wagons." SMC22307 Feb 2016 #103
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Feb 2016 #98
Sanders deserves credit, but that pales compared to the beatings John Lewis took. Hoyt Feb 2016 #101
Or the beating James Zwerg took. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #104
Are you sure about that? Capehart says that guy is Rappaport! nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #129
Yes, Amelia Boynton as well. sheshe2 Feb 2016 #106
+1. Missed it. Have a tough time reading through all the BS BS nowadays. Hoyt Feb 2016 #107
Lol! sheshe2 Feb 2016 #108
What the fuck is the deal with the one-upmanship? frylock Feb 2016 #120
Word. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #126
What about the beatings Hill took? Bernie is running against her, not Lewis, dear friend. cali Feb 2016 #133
Another photo Ino Feb 2016 #121
Again curly wavy hair. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #123
Yes he had curly hair, why? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #125
That just can't be Sanders Laughing Mirror Feb 2016 #137
LOL! Touche! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #139
Is that you, Jonathan? nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #130
K&R Thank-you! hedgehog Feb 2016 #131
Someone needs to confront Mr. Lewis regarding his undermining Android3.14 Feb 2016 #132
John Lewis is cool, he clarified his statement: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #134
Might be cool with you, but I am still disappointed Android3.14 Feb 2016 #136
I take those words as what they are nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #145
You know Bernie probably still has that watch madokie Feb 2016 #135
Morning Joe/MSNBC Just Showed... WiffenPoof Feb 2016 #141
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #151

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
33. Fuck Capehart
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

Ignore him, maybe he will got away, or think twice before he publishes without doing fact checking first. I couldn't care less what that hack has to say.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
70. Capehart caused more imagery to surface than he ever imagined
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:38 AM
Feb 2016

I'd say that photo confirms this is Bernie in the video, right down to the light pants and strings on the hoodie




THANKS CAPEHART - YOU HELPED OPEN THE DOOR TO ALL OF THIS!!!

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
112. Somebody on reddit matched up the video with the arrest photo
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:02 AM
Feb 2016




Also here is another angle, you can see here Bernie being led awayagain


tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
113. great analysis, and seeing the cameraman and photographer
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:26 AM
Feb 2016

really puts events and the location in perspective

Response to Fawke Em (Original post)

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
6. What's up with the baby?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

No one is fit-pitching - we were right and Capehart was wrong.

P.S. You changed your title, which is fine, but your motive is off.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
5. Bernie Sanders would not
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

lie about a thing like this. I have never doubted his word. It is so sad that supporters of Clinton continue to try to impugn this mans integrity. Bernie is the real deal, and this is the proof. By the way, at the same time this was happening to Bernie, Hillary Clinton was campaigning for Barry Goldwater...quite a contrast for someone who says they have always been for civil rights.



Yes, she was supporting this guy. And there are those that would claim she was involved in civil rights? I guess she was against civil rights before she was for them, like just about every other issue she is now for against it until it will help you get elected and then miraculously she "evolves" and is for it. What a joke.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
83. Absolutely it shoud be obvious to anyone
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:56 AM
Feb 2016

that looks honestly at his past political positions. Hillary Clinton on the other hand

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
105. Equally as bad
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:00 AM
Feb 2016

During the same time-frame, Bill Clinton was an aide to Senator Fulbright, who was a flaming segregationist, author of the Southern Manifesto, and who filibustered the Civil Rights Bill.

It really is a mystery wrapped in an enigma. How could they both work for Senators who fought against civil rights, yet claim to support them at the same time?

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
140. It is an enigma
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:01 AM
Feb 2016

but I believe people who take the time to research their political history begin to realize the fact that from the moment they decided to enter politics they have been calculating, conniving, flip flopping, and going whichever way the wind blows in order to gain power and further their careers.

Siwsan

(26,308 posts)
154. I brought this up on another site, and you'd have thought I advocated killing kittens for profit
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:26 PM
Feb 2016

All kinds of weird and nasty accusations were hurled my way. Finally, one person actually addressed Hillary's time as a 'Goldwater Girl' but explained it as a youthful adventure triggered by her family being Republican. And shame, shame, SHAME on me for ever bringing it up!

It got so bad that I had to shut it down and walk away because no matter what I responded, they just kept spewing defensive rhetoric.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
158. I know exactly what you mean Siwsan
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:20 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary has a buzz saw of a political machine out there. Somebody in that one tenth of one percent out that really wants to see her become president.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
8. While Clinton was a young REPUBLICAN, this is what Bernie was doing.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:59 PM
Feb 2016

He has ALWAYS fought for "the least of these."

Hill...not so much.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
78. I saw them in concert!!!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

Back when I was stationed at Camp Lejeune they played a dive bar in the beach in SC.

Abominog was one of the first albums I ever bought.




 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
80. That's pretty awesome. I didn't get to see a concert until '86.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:53 AM
Feb 2016

(and don't tell anyone, but it was Van Halen)

That's just the most freaking awesome picture of Sanders. It's awesome because it shows him in 1963 living what he's talking about today. And he wasn't going without a fight. Oh, and as you're well aware but some don't seem to be, he's been solid in every one of the intervening years.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
81. I saw UH in the 80's, they weren't as popular as in the 70's but we didn't care.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:55 AM
Feb 2016

That is a cool pic and it needs to go viral, Bernie won't brag about it because it's not his style but we can.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
61. Yes, indeed!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:20 AM
Feb 2016

The cops in the picture have come forward to say that this was not Bernie Sanders, but Larry David.

Sorry...too soon?

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
84. And they put awesome graffiti all over it
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:01 AM
Feb 2016

And it's not stealing. We are purveyors of history coming back to life.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
35. You, of all people,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

deserve to have that image.

Oh, while I'm here (in a reply box to you) did you know that Bernie's music tastes were influenced in the 1960s by Motown?



So many reasons to love that man ...

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
39. If the shoe fits, take it
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

I remember hearing a story about Bernie buying new shoes for a homeless man in Burlington.

Nacho-_-Bandito

(8 posts)
15. There is a whole set of pictures on the Tribune website
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:11 PM
Feb 2016

here (click on the gallery link on the main picture):

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

Actually, there is another picture in that set of what I'm sure is Bernie here:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-56c7624c/turbine/chi-willis18ground-20160218/1550/1550x872

It's taken from a back/side angle, but he's in the same hoodie, khakis, glasses, haircut.


SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
110. I'm liking the Bernie-in-a-hoodie angle.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:16 AM
Feb 2016

Just to make sure it is indeed him, perhaps we should get crack journalist Jonathan Capehart on it.

sheshe2

(83,966 posts)
18. Here is John Lewis
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016








A question. Bernie was arrested for a civil rights protest and praised yet an icon who spent their life fighting is trashed on this site.

I find that incredibly sad.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
86. And if he runs for President, it is very unlikely I will support him
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:03 AM
Feb 2016

although it is impossible to know until I see the competition.



 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
109. At least Thom Hartmann acknowledges it and explains his circumstances?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:10 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary?

NOT A WORD!!!

If she evolved in similar fashion that Hartmann had, it would HELP her to explain the process she went through when she transitioned from being a Republican to become a Democrat, if there was in fact a real transformation through experiences that we could all understand and be inspired by.

WHY doesn't she come out and be honest about it? It would really help her rescue her image in terms of having the public trust, which with the emails, GS transcripts, etc. is suffering a lot.

She just can't present an honest face to the public from what most people see in her. It just all appears like a constant act with her! And that problem with trust contrasted with how much even Republicans feel they can trust Bernie IS the issue this election!

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
146. He talks about it frequently on his show on how his dad (a Republican) got him on these campaigns
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

... and that it was what he was brought up with. Once in college though he was more about being involved with groups like the SDS rather being elected chair of a college Republicans group like Hillary Clinton did. I guess it's not too hard to understand that you don't listen to Hartmann much if you are a supporter of Hillary.

As I've said Thom Hartman HIMSELF discusses this part of his life. He doesn't just avoid talking about it and rely on someone like a Capehart or a David Brock to try and analyze what he was doing then.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
159. Exactly cascadiance
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

I've even heard Thom Hartmann talk about when he began to change his mind about republicans and conservatism. He said his father took him to a meeting of the John Birch Society and he started to see just how off the deep end these guys were. Thom also says he left home at about 16 years of age, so yes he was really young when he and his father were supporting Goldwater.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
147. That still is third hand spin from the likes of David Brock (working like Capehart does)...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

... rather than HER OWN comments on what she was doing then, and what had her change her life in becoming a Democrat.

As I told another poster here, Thom Hartmann is the one that talks about his own experience working with his dad on what his dad wanted him involved with when he was a kid campaigning for Goldwater. As I also noted, Hartmann didn't become a president of a group of college Republicans when he was living outside of his family after he left high school the way Clinton did at Wellesley. Instead of being a Republican he was more involved in activities like the SDS, which he's also very honest about too.

As I've said, rather than having a David Brock to provide a spin that not many have read here either on why she was a Republican before she was a Democrat, she should speak for herself and what was going on in her mind when she made that transition. No one should be able to speak better for herself THAN herself! And if she does so thoughtfully in a way that progressives can understand and appreciate, she would put a lot of the criticisms and speculation to bed. That she doesn't do this, and still expects us to trust her being our leader at this very critical time in our nations' history speaks loudly to many of us that she DOESN'T HAVE a good explanation for what happened then, and she's elusive or secretive about that part of her life as she is in so many other areas where she's "evolved" or doesn't want to talk about much unless she HAS to (her email controversy, the TPP, Keystone, etc.)

Tanuki

(14,924 posts)
155. I have not read her memoir, but I believe she addresses it there.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

I don't know what either Brook or Capehart have to do with the link. The author is a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter (yeah, I know, so is Capehart.) You asked a question and I made a good faith attempt to answer it. It hardly strains credulity to think that a sheltered suburban girl would broaden her world view and embrace more progressive ideas once she went to college outside the cocoon of her parents' home. I suppose it sticks in the craw of many here who want to pillory her as the eternal Goldwater girl to have to deal with the fact with the fact that she canvassed for Eugene McCarthy in 1968. Rather than have to revise flawed assumptions and try to reconcile them with the fact that by the time she graduated she had a job offer from Saul Alinsky as an organizer in Chicago, I suppose it is easier to simply dismiss the facts.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
156. Did you read your link?...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:01 PM
Feb 2016

A paragraph in that article...

David Brock, in his 1996 biography, "The Seduction of Hillary Rodham," called her "Alinsky's daughter."


I'm not trying to dismiss someone else's COMMENTS on what they studied of her life.

I'm simply saying that Hillary Clinton would be better off EXPLAINING HERSELF HER OWN THOUGHTS AND REASONS to help describe the evolution of her life history then. If we could have an HONEST appraisal of what she went through in a way that everyone could understand, then I think it would give her MORE support from some that feel many of her stances can't be believed since she changes gears so often, and is so secretive about many parts of her life. She worked BOTH for Goldwater and for McCarthy! How do we know where her real heart is, when these two men were very different in their politics? WHY did she work for them. For whatever reason SHE WON'T TELL US!!!

So do we believe more of her true feelings were reflected in Goldwater or McCarthy? How do we know? You can't just emphasize one and dismiss the other just because it is politically convenient to focus on one and ignore the other.

Nacho-_-Bandito

(8 posts)
23. Funny thing is...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

I didn't see anyone on DU suggesting that pictures of John Lewis from the 60's were, in fact, someone other than him.

The smear campaign by Team Hillary was in full afterburner in here trying to sell the false narrative that the previous pictures of Bernie (not those in this thread - the one's we knew about before) from the on-campus protests he help lead were not him, until that was completely debunked by the photographer himself who confirmed that it was indeed Sen. Sanders.

Regardless..what does your post have to do with the topic in this thread?

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
37. Team Hillary could care less about Bernie's minute little arrest.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

John Lewis is our hero. Yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
44. Exactly... Yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

It wasn't politically expedient until yesterday and by the day after tomorrow Camp Hillary would have moved on.

Nacho-_-Bandito

(8 posts)
49. Which is...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:58 PM
Feb 2016

all good and well. I ask again, though. What does John Lewis have to do with a thread about new pictures found of Bernie Sanders being arrested in 1963 for protesting segregation?

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
57. they don't have any of hill. she was helping a
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:15 AM
Feb 2016

Bigot run for president at the time. Putting Lewis in here is an attempt to dilute bernie and his heroism

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
88. Love John Lewis...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:07 AM
Feb 2016

He is truly a hero!

Hillary is no John Lewis.

Hillary is no Bernie Sanders, either.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
114. Yeah, clearly.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:53 AM
Feb 2016

That's the difference between Team Hillary and us. We can acknowledge John Lewis' contributions. You want to demean Sanders'. Nice work.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
157. I wonder if John Lewis endorsed Bernie, if THEN you couldn't care less of Lewis's arrests?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:05 PM
Feb 2016

Seems like you like to emphasize the work of those who are "on your side"!

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
25. So you do something heroic you must be free from criticism
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

For everything you do and everything you say for the rest of your life? Good work if you can get it.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
45. Bernie never trashed him. Bernie always speaks highly of him.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

They worked together for good causes on the CBC.

When people feel betrayed they sometimes say things in shock and anger that they wouldn't say on peaceful reflection. I would imagine all of us do this once in awhile.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
54. Show me a single poster that questioned Lewis's activism
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:11 AM
Feb 2016

because what we are talking about is swift boating for another activist.

But nice try Sheehe2

If you want to support swift boating, by all means, please proceed governor.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
66. We must be reading two different sites
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:25 AM
Feb 2016

and please do indeed proceed

I take exception of this smear, as a trained historian. have a good day.

(And I expect some funny shit off site after this exchange as well)

sheshe2

(83,966 posts)
72. ...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:41 AM
Feb 2016
I take exception of this smear, as a trained historian. have a good day.

(And I expect some funny shit off site after this exchange as well)





 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
73. That is all you have
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:42 AM
Feb 2016

and like many others you are just empty white noise now, that lulls me to sleep.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
142. Must really suck to go from somebody I used to respect
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

To somebody I ascribe adjectives (well earned at off sites) that are all but nice. And now, only worthy of being a person to be considered white noise.

If I use the adjectives this will be alerted. Suffice it to say at the very least the behavior was racist.

For the jurors: busted, apparently this Latina, born and raised in Mexico City, who came to the US as an immigrant is not PoC enough, never mind the racist definitions of the US because I do not have a darker skin tone. Ergo, I was born in the Midwest I suppose.

Yup, they had those discussions, and they expect me to have any respect after what is clearly racist behavior? The fact I have to post this is because I expect them to alert.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
144. There is precisely one post, from a neub
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

That the community shat on.

But this poster has been creative with facts for a while. Also the burning bridge continues to push up flames and these particular posters really do not understand why. This matter of off site where they behaved rather uncivily will not go away.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
67. Damn, those photos are amazing!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:29 AM
Feb 2016

There's just something about seeing an older icon--during their younger days. It's so special.

My husband and I watched a PBS special on the Black Panthers--and it was so sobering and sad to see the corruption that African Americans were fighting during this time in our history. The things the FBI and the cops in LA and NY did to activists--were unconscionable. I've continue to have that program on my mind.

Thank you for these pics.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
71. Are you asking if I think the cops have stopped?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:39 AM
Feb 2016

If so....no. And that is said with a very heavy heart.

My husband and I discussed this while we laid in bed, long before we had stopped watching.

I think things are worse. I think the corruption is worse.

What's different is, cell phones.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
87. Cameras may help in some instances
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:07 AM
Feb 2016

but we've all ready seen cameras "malfunctioning" or footage lost or even cameras turned off.

We have systemic problems. Very big systemic problems with racism and many police departments behaving like good ol' boy clubs.

The police need to be demilitarized, for one things. They're supposed to protect and serve their communities, not treat citizens like enemy combatants.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and I think the structure, accountability and transparency of police departments must change. For starters. I don't know how that gets done though. Hard to yank power away from people who certainly don't want to lose it.

It has to come from the people demanding it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
89. I have been reading on the 1960s and how we got to today
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:11 AM
Feb 2016

and this discussion about professional standards for police and militarization, has been going on since the 1960s, at least. And all the commissions will not help (and that includes the latest, last year to be exact), until we as a nation have a come to jesus moment about how structural racism is.

The cops... they are just the sharp edge of it.

As to cameras failing... well the local ACLU and 22 local leaders and organizations have asked the DoJ to ahem investigate my local cops. Yes. I posted the story yesterday I believe, It is part of the damn pattern. And we have also seen the Chief LIE to City Officials, and it is like none wants to challenge the chief.

here, the story

http://reportingsandiego.com/2016/02/17/aclu-and-allies-request-federal-investigation-on-sdpd-use-of-force/

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
93. Great reporting
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:19 AM
Feb 2016

and kudos to you for trying to keep these injustices, and the subject matter, in the public consciousness.

Very sad that people who are suffering with mental illness, are being murdered in this way.

These people need protection and empathy--and have endured so much. They certainly don't deserve to be gunned down when they pose no threat.

It's tragic. And it could happen to anyone.

I hope the DOJ investigations help. At least the cops are put on notice that an investigation is happening.

And yes, the DA isn't always helpful and police chiefs can have political power. Sometimes they collude to cover up. Further tragedy.

Amazing that you are trying to tackle these tough, tough subjects. It's not easy, I'm sure.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
96. Well Governor Brown has a justice reform for the state
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:26 AM
Feb 2016

that will take some power from DA's (Like trying kids in adult court), and no surprise there, the DAs oppose it.

I need to look more into that, in passing I heard about it.

In San Diego, this would be the second DoJ investigation, the other was requested by the Mayor, and the outgoing PD chief, he stepped down. after a series of convictions for sexual assault

Specifically to my PD, we have a problem with the department, and it includes internal culture. I cannot prove it, I need an insider to come out and say it. but they tend to keep the good ol' boys and fail officers with integrity at phase training (The probation period)

There has been some reporting from Channel 10 (which is amazing they went there given the politics in this city and who issues the press passes, that department) that suggests this as well.

sheshe2

(83,966 posts)
100. I can't even say what your comment means to me.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:42 AM
Feb 2016

Thank you for that, CoffeeCat. In all sincerity I thank you.

The woman in the wheelchair. Obama is holding her hand, that is Amelia Boynton.

She died at 104 years old.

Watching 'Selma' with 103-year-old matriarch of the movement


Tuskegee, Alabama (CNN)—She was left for dead at the foot of Selma's Edmund Pettus Bridge after the county sheriff declared: "Let the buzzards eat them."

A photograph immortalized the moment -- a black, middle-aged woman beaten unconscious by white state troopers in a 1965 civil rights march that became known as Bloody Sunday.








This photo of Boynton Robinson, beaten unconscious by state troopers, became an iconic image of Bloody Sunday.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/09/us/selma-civil-rights-matriarch/index.html

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
115. Even icons make terrible mistakes
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:55 AM
Feb 2016

He shouldn't have tarnished his own legacy to prop up a machine politician. The machine isn't worth it.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
24. That's just a kick-ass photo of Sanders...most especially because he didn't release it.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

Fight the power, Bernie, just like you always have.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
29. How can you support a criminal to be president?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

Well, there you go. You proved it.

Hillary has no arrest record.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
95. How sad that protesting segregation
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:22 AM
Feb 2016

makes one a criminal, in your mind. Fighting against oppression makes one a criminal, in your opinion. That's just so weird to see on a Democratic discussion board.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
42. Thats a smokin pic of Bernie Fawke Em...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

nice!..........really nice........really, really nice!............

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
51. Bernie has fought for PoC and other oppressed groups his entire career.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

It's who he is.

Nothing can take that away.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
56. I just did over the twitter
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

it is for the rest who have been blocked by Capehart. He is not doing well.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
111. Yep
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:47 AM
Feb 2016

I really don't understand this tweet.

Yeah. That's about right. But the liberals are persistent, daresay relentless, in their meanness.


If he is implying he is being attacked by liberals and they are mean I get it. But, he doesn't ever seem to say hey guys, I am a liberal and we have the same goals, please try to understand what I am saying. No this is to me more like saying I am not a liberal and liberals are being relentless and mean to me.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
143. He is being "attacked" by media folks
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

Since he is making the profession look bad. And he is being attacked by a few historians. He is also being attacked by the left. The tweet matches his disdain for it. His Twitter feed is all but hiding it.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
149. Capehart blocked me. Here's how to go around the block
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=capehartj&src=typd

You can see and respond to all of his tweets, and there's not a thing he can do about it.
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
152. He's going to need to abandon social media completely if he wants to be left alone.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:52 PM
Feb 2016

The lies have been told, and the die is cast. He needs to be fired.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
153. There are demands to that effect
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016


I take issue with the almost stalinesque attempt at air brushing of history.

The same folks saying nothing to see here, would be screaming if this was John Lewis. The difference is that I would be up in arms equally. Air brushing of history is a problem, no matter who the target.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
76. If you wanted street cred in the sixties, that's was how to get it
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:48 AM
Feb 2016

Go Bernie! Our Knight in shining armor.
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Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
77. I would like to hear the story
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

Damn photo is only a teaser. Endless articles about the photo and little or nothing said about the content. One paragraph in the linked article:

In the mid-1960s, protests over segregation in the area raged over mobile classrooms dubbed "Willis Wagons," named for then-Chicago Schools Superintendent Benjamin Willis. The phrase "Willis Wagons" was believed to have been coined in 1963 by Rosie Simpson, a leader in education reform in Chicago. She was describing the trailers that Willis set up for black children instead of sending them to white schools.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
99. There's also a Gallery
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:39 AM
Feb 2016

It's accessible on the first photo in the article. I thought it was tricky to find and almost missed it in upper left corner of the photo. There are captions as well for each of the 16 add'l photos.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
103. Great! Now I'm gonna be up too late Googling "Willis Wagons."
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:48 AM
Feb 2016




Between shooting down select DUers' smears on Sanders' civil rights record, and two excellent PBS specials (Whitney Young, and the Black Panthers), this has indeed been one big Black History Month for me.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
101. Sanders deserves credit, but that pales compared to the beatings John Lewis took.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:45 AM
Feb 2016

Those policemen don't even have their batons out, no dogs, no shackles, etc.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
104. Or the beating James Zwerg took.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:54 AM
Feb 2016




No one is suggesting Bernie's arrest is as severe -- only Camp Weathervane is attempting to make that comparison.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
120. What the fuck is the deal with the one-upmanship?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 05:04 AM
Feb 2016

Has anyone here attempted to diminish John Lewis' contributions as a Civil Rights activist? You guys just cannot give Bernie his props. A year ago he would've been a fucking hero. No questions asked.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
133. What about the beatings Hill took? Bernie is running against her, not Lewis, dear friend.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:05 AM
Feb 2016

What about the many times Hill marched with union strikers? Oh that's right, fucking never. But she did cross the line.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
132. Someone needs to confront Mr. Lewis regarding his undermining
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:02 AM
Feb 2016

We bought multiple copies of the graphic novels he co-authored about the civil rights movement and donated a set to our local library.

I'm so disappointed.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
134. John Lewis is cool, he clarified his statement:
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:09 AM
Feb 2016
John Lewis clarifies comments on Bernie Sanders

“I was responding to a reporter’s question who asked me to assess Sen. Sanders’ civil rights record. I said that when I was leading and was at the center of pivotal actions within the Civil Rights Movement, I did not meet Sen. Bernie Sanders at any time. The fact that I did not meet him in the movement does not mean I doubted that Sen. Sanders participated in the Civil Rights Movement, neither was I attempting to disparage his activism. Thousands sacrificed in the 1960s whose names we will never know, and I have always given honor to their contribution.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/john-lewis-clarifies-comments-bernie-sanders

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
136. Might be cool with you, but I am still disappointed
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:19 AM
Feb 2016

Through his words, he pushed unearned links between the Clintons and the civil rights movement in order to promote a candidate conducting an unethical campaign while implying Sanders was lying or at least inflating his participation in one of the most dangerous movements in our history.

A clarification was not the way to be "cool" in this case.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
145. I take those words as what they are
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

Within the beltway politics.

Truth be told, most kids these days, even after Selma and the two graphic novels, have maybe heard of all these guys and civil rights.

The way teaching units are structured they will here if MLK and Rosa Parks, to the frustration of some elders in the community.

This is how we teach history though. The past, is not just a foreign country, it is alien. Why endorsements these days are not worth much anymore, regardless of who does it. For the kids in the modern day struggle, the words of Erica Garner have more weight though. She's in the streets with them.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
135. You know Bernie probably still has that watch
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:09 AM
Feb 2016

Our next President not only talks the talk he has walked the walk and continues to this very day. I'm proud to be a Bernie Sanders Supporter. A man of integrity, honest to a fault and good as gold. Hell he doesn't even have a closet to hide any shit in for them to dreg up in the general. GO BERNIE

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
141. Morning Joe/MSNBC Just Showed...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

...this photo of Bernie. They seem to be acknowledging Bernie's long history of supporting AA issues.

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