Does this forum serve any purpose? Poll

[SoLeftIAmRight]

Let's see if there is anybody that might be turned.

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[bigwillq]

1. Yes, it serves a purpose

But, no, I won't change. I am voting for Bernie Sanders.

[Live and Learn]

5. Ditto. nt

[juxtaposed]

2. not really

[Recursion]

3. Yes: it lets people who don't want to see poo-flinging not see it

That is its purpose. Same with with the gun forum, Israel-Palestine, the old 9/11 group, etc.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

4. poo-flinging

and some facts

[Recursion]

8. Sure, but the facts are not why it gets broken out into its own forum

The poo is.

I'd also imagine there's some SEO behind it, in the sense that as the owner of this business Skinner would rather not have a lot of GDP be what comes up high on Google.

[Arazi]

6. I'm a Sanders supporter who enjoys getting my support tested

I want to know all the details - good and bad so I'm armed with facts when I phone bank or canvas.

DU helps me be a better advocate out in the real world.

(I'm also temporarily laid up and reddit isn't enough to fill the boredom hole with discussion)

[SoLeftIAmRight]

7. very very good obsevation

not much get by this group

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. No, not at all, and I'm glad... because the antics here go beyond.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

11. lots of informant gets posted here

not all poo

[ScreamingMeemie]

16. My mileage varies... the poo always shows up.

And not much of substance is found here that we can't find elsewhere without the loudness... and poo... I end up here usually by jury alert.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

18. my garden likes well aged poo

...

[Motown_Johnny]

10. It keeps all this crap out of GD. That is a meaningful purpose in, of and by itself. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Yup, it is quite entertaining

[Paulie]

13. No Rob option

[NV Whino]

14. What happens in GD-P, stays in GD-P.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

17. nope

the info posted here is used

[uponit7771]

15. Polling data is pretty steady, shows me right now the marginalized are with HRC and not Sanders

[SoLeftIAmRight]

20. a sad fact about democracy - minorities can get crushed

America greatness is shown when we do not let that happen

[uponit7771]

21. The establishment usually does the crushing too.

[OhZone]

19. Do you mean GDP or the whole site?

As a whole site, it should be a good site to get information to support Democrats and fight RW lies.

As for GDP, no one is going to change their minds but you can get information to support your candidate.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

22. at this time there are three votes for undecided

and they are here

I wish they would express their thoughts

[OhZone]

28. Me too.

I'm a little surprised.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. It's a great forum that reinforces the psychodynamics of political & religious theory!

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In university, it is taught that politics and religion share common brain centers and psychological attributes.


Now, the following is just one factor that influences voter decision, and will probably be distorted...


People who view themselves as pious, or more religiously affiliated tend to resist adaptation, whereas people who are agnostic, atheistic, or are casually connected to religion are more adaptive to divergent political thought and are receptive to entertaining other candidates more objectively.


Hillary Clinton was the institutional favorite going into this campaign cycle. The people gradually swaying to Bernie Sanders probably identify as less religiously pious or devout than those who retain or sway towards Hillary as changing a candidate is tantamount to a religious conversion.--that would account from some of the resistance in accepting factual data presented here. There is a religious subset that won't vote for Sanders because he is Jewish, since there is a large section of the country who align evangelical or orthodox. But, everyone is self-affecting to some degree or another and will overlook religious differences if their needs are being met.


A religious or political conversion occurs with the more stubborn when there are suddenly high levels of stress, abandonment, or trauma. It will be difficult for people to reevaluate a political candidate because many see that as akin to abandoning their own religion. I get it, having studied cults and the allure of being in a closed group that love-bombs their members with support. But, like with almost all cult members or closed religious orders, when the influence is removed, they will eventually return to normal thought. This means that even Republicans, evangelicals, and those who are conservative leaning can be swayed to the Democratic Party, if the proper methods are being used. So, just like a church, trying to attract new congregants... don't build those walls, but be receptive to them.



So, the points I am trying to make are:

1) there is a direct tie between the religiosity of people and their ability to change candidates or ideas;

2) if a political conversion is about to take place in someone, they need to feel welcome in another camp;

3) more direct articles need to be posted highlighting the strife in the country to force a conversion;

4) when people feel their 'faith' or candidate are under attack, they dig in their heels and shut down dialog.



I see #4 here a lot. There is such a rigid mindset with about a dozen or so posters that feel they must defend their candidate, almost as though their own religion and beliefs are under attack. In some ways it's comical, in other ways, it's pathetic.


Now, nothing I posted is against any one person, but in the light of how the totalitarian ban-hammer drops, it would not surprise me if this post gets flagged because it is hurtful somehow. That would mean that the person(s) who feel harmed are internalizing these comments, because deep down, they know it applies to them. Someone will probably see the word 'cult' and misinterpret what I am trying to convey.


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[SoLeftIAmRight]

24. another thoughtful post

many thanks

[Arazi]

25. Wow!!! Outstanding observations!

A religious or political conversion occurs with the more stubborn when there are suddenly high levels of stress, abandonment, or trauma. It will be difficult for people to reevaluate a political candidate because many see that as akin to abandoning their own religion. I get it, having studied cults and the allure of being in a closed group that love-bombs their members with support. But, like with almost all cult members or closed religious orders, when the influence is removed, they will eventually return to normal thought. This means that even Republicans, evangelicals, and those who are conservative leaning can be swayed to the Democratic Party, if the proper methods are being used. So, just like a church, trying to attract new congregants... don't build those walls, but be receptive to them.

So, the points I am trying to make are:

1) there is a direct tie between the religiosity of people and their ability to change candidates or ideas;

2) if a political conversion is about to take place in someone, they need to feel welcome in another camp;

3) more direct articles need to be posted highlighting the strife in the country to force a conversion;

4) when people feel their 'faith' or candidate are under attack, they dig in their heels and shut down dialog.

I see #4 here a lot. There is such a rigid mindset with about a dozen or so posters that feel they must defend their candidate, almost as though their own religion and beliefs are under attack. In come ways it's comical, in other ways, it's pathetic.

Brilliant!

So more good information and a welcome committee



Great info!

[Kittycat]

26. ALERT

This thread is disruptive...

I'm just kidding, carry on. Seems like the rest.

[PatrickforO]

27. When I was a kid in the 1960s I used to watch my Dad get all worked up

over news, and especially political ads. He'd yell, gnash his teeth, turn red and get all sweaty out there on what I fondly remember as the 'gosh darn it trail.'

Then, through the 90s, I felt myself really wanting to answer back on stuff that was on TV that I knew was 'spin' or downright lies.

The wonderful, noble purpose this site serves, to my way of thinking at least, is that it provides us all a forum to talk back. I mean, maybe it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, that we can give immediate feedback on something we've just read, or some opinion with which we agree or disagree. But to give that feedback feels SO good!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

30. Many thanks

nice thoughts

[Spider Jerusalem]

29. it keeps primary-related nonsense out of the other forums

which is a good thing.