List of Hillary Endorsers is a Who's Who Among Progressive Giants

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Chernynkaya ?@Chernynkaya 2h2 hours ago
This list of Hillary endorsers is a Who's Who among Progressive giants: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/#endorsements …


...I'll admit a few on the list aren't really 'progressive,' but, wow! What a fantastic head start a President Clinton will have on day one with support in the legislature for her agenda.


FiveThirtyEight has collected 345 endorsements so far, out of a possible total of approximately 585.

Candidate Date Endorser Position Pts.
Hillary Clinton

2/19/16 James E. Clyburn Rep. (D-S.C.)
2/3 Alma Adams Rep. (D-N.C.)
2/1 Chaka Fattah Rep. (D-Pa.)
1/29 Al Green Rep. (D-Texas)
1/26 David Price Rep. (D-N.C.)
1/19 Mike Quigley Rep. (D-Ill.)
1/8 Frank Pallone Jr. Rep. (D-N.J.)
1/7 G.K. Butterfield Rep. (D-N.C.)
12/18/15 Earl Blumenauer Rep. (D-Ore.)
12/16 Linda Sánchez Rep. (D-Calif.)
12/15 Brad Ashford Rep. (D-Neb.)
12/7 Michael E. Capuano Rep. (D-Mass.)
11/30 Jerry McNerney Rep. (D-Calif.)
11/30 Pete Aguilar Rep. (D-Calif.)
11/30 Anna G. Eshoo Rep. (D-Calif.)
11/30 Maxine Waters Rep. (D-Calif.)
11/17 Jack Reed Sen. (D-R.I.)
11/17 C. A. Dutch Ruppersberger Rep. (D-Md.)
11/17 Donna F. Edwards Rep. (D-Md.)
11/17 John P. Sarbanes Rep. (D-Md.)
11/14 Suzan DelBene Rep. (D-Wash.)
11/14 Denny Heck Rep. (D-Wash.)
11/14 Jay Inslee Gov. (D-Wash.)
11/13 Ann Kirkpatrick Rep. (D-Ariz.)
11/13 Bobby L. Rush Rep. (D-Ill.)
11/11 Gwen Moore Rep. (D-Wis.)
11/11 Corrine Brown Rep. (D-Fla.)
11/11 Tony Cárdenas Rep. (D-Calif.)
11/10 Christopher A. Coons Sen. (D-Del.)
11/9 Bennie G. Thompson Rep. (D-Miss.)
11/8 Seth Moulton Rep. (D-Mass.)
11/5 Maria Cantwell Sen. (D-Wash.)
11/4 Jay Nixon Gov. (D-Mo.) 10
10/28 Jared Huffman Rep. (D-Calif.)
10/28 Heidi Heitkamp Sen. (D-N.D.)
10/27 Sherrod Brown Sen. (D-Ohio)
10/26 John Carney Rep. (D-Del.)
10/26 Thomas R. Carper Sen. (D-Del.)
10/23 Paul D. Tonko Rep. (D-N.Y.)
10/21 Jack Markell Gov. (D-Del.)
10/20 Eliot Engel Rep. (D-N.Y.)
10/19 Joe Courtney Rep. (D-Conn.)
10/16 William Keating Rep. (D-Mass.)
10/14 Edward J. Markey Sen. (D-Mass.)
10/13 Hakeem Jeffries Rep. (D-N.Y.)
10/13 Yvette D. Clarke Rep. (D-N.Y.)
10/5 John Hickenlooper Gov. (D-Colo.)
10/5 Robert C. Scott Rep. (D-Va.)
9/17 Maggie Hassan Gov. (D-N.H.) 10
9/13 Ann Kuster Rep. (D-N.H.)
9/7 Cheri Bustos Rep. (D-Ill.)
9/7 David Loebsack Rep. (D-Iowa)
9/1 Zoe Lofgren Rep. (D-Calif.)
8/31 Tammy Baldwin Sen. (D-Wis.)
8/28 Timothy J. Walz Rep. (D-Minn.)
8/24 Bonnie Watson Coleman Rep. (D-N.J.)
8/24 Donald Payne Jr. Rep. (D-N.J.)
8/24 Bill Pascrell Jr. Rep. (D-N.J.)
8/24 John Garamendi Rep. (D-Calif.)
8/18 Jim Himes Rep. (D-Conn.)
8/6 Xavier Becerra Rep. (D-Calif.)
8/5 Scott Peters Rep. (D-Calif.)
7/15 Lois Capps Rep. (D-Calif.)
7/15 Marcia L. Fudge Rep. (D-Ohio)
7/14 André Carson Rep. (D-Ind.)
7/13 Suzanne Bonamici Rep. (D-Ore.)
6/27 Niki Tsongas Rep. (D-Mass.)
6/26 Don Beyer Rep. (D-Va.)
6/26 Brenda Lawrence Rep. (D-Mich.)
6/23 William "Lacy" Clay Jr. Rep. (D-Mo.)
6/23 Matthew Cartwright Rep. (D-Pa.)
6/13 Elizabeth Esty Rep. (D-Conn.)
6/13 Tom Wolf Gov. (D-Pa.)
6/13 John B. Larson Rep. (D-Conn.)
6/7 Dannel P. Malloy Gov. (D-Conn.)
6/5 Steve Cohen Rep. (D-Tenn.)
6/4 Christopher Murphy Sen. (D-Conn.)
5/27 Katherine Clark Rep. (D-Mass.)
5/20 Peter Shumlin Gov. (D-Vt.)
5/14 Joseph P. Kennedy III Rep. (D-Mass.)
5/12 James McGovern Rep. (D-Mass.)
5/5 Gary Peters Sen. (D-Mich.)
5/5 Michael F. Bennet Sen. (D-Colo.)
5/4 Henry Cuellar Rep. (D-Texas)
5/4 Kathy Castor Rep. (D-Fla.)
5/4 Adam Smith Rep. (D-Wash.)
5/4 Sean Patrick Maloney Rep. (D-N.Y.)
5/4 Derek Kilmer Rep. (D-Wash.)
5/4 Rubén Hinojosa Rep. (D-Texas)
5/4 Daniel Kildee Rep. (D-Mich.)
5/4 Julia Brownley Rep. (D-Calif.)
5/4 Kurt Schrader Rep. (D-Ore.)
5/4 Joyce Beatty Rep. (D-Ohio)
5/4 Adam Schiff Rep. (D-Calif.)
5/4 Marc Veasey Rep. (D-Texas)
5/4 Kathleen Rice Rep. (D-N.Y.)
5/4 Mike Thompson Rep. (D-Calif.)
5/4 Jim Cooper Rep. (D-Tenn.)
5/4 Gerald E. "Gerry" Connolly Rep. (D-Va.)
5/4 Filemon Vela Rep. (D-Texas)
5/4 Jared Polis Rep. (D-Colo.)
5/4 José E. Serrano Rep. (D-N.Y.)
5/4 Eddie Bernice Johnson Rep. (D-Texas)
5/4 Patrick Murphy Rep. (D-Fla.)
5/4 Ed Perlmutter Rep. (D-Colo.)
5/4 Brad Sherman Rep. (D-Calif.)
4/29 Emanuel Cleaver Rep. (D-Mo.)
4/24 Robert P. Casey, Jr. Sen. (D-Pa.)
4/23 Steve Israel Rep. (D-N.Y.)
4/23 Cory A. Booker Sen. (D-N.J.)
4/22 John Conyers Jr. Rep. (D-Mich.)
4/16 Gina M. Raimondo Gov. (D-R.I.)
4/15 Jim McDermott Rep. (D-Wash.)
4/14 Rosa L. DeLauro Rep. (D-Conn.)
4/13 Tom Udall Sen. (D-N.M.)
4/12 Rick Larsen Rep. (D-Wash.)
4/12 Debbie Dingell Rep. (D-Mich.)
4/12 Andrew M. Cuomo Gov. (D-N.Y.)
4/12 Diana DeGette Rep. (D-Colo.)
4/12 Karen Bass Rep. (D-Calif.)
4/12 Jeanne Shaheen Sen. (D-N.H.)
4/11 Jerrold Nadler Rep. (D-N.Y.)
4/11 Nydia M. Velázquez Rep. (D-N.Y.)
2/2 Brian Schatz Sen. (D-Hawaii)
1/29 Alcee L. Hastings Rep. (D-Fla.)
1/27 Ami Bera Rep. (D-Calif.)
1/27 Mark Takano Rep. (D-Calif.)
1/27 Judy Chu Rep. (D-Calif.)
1/27 Ted Lieu Rep. (D-Calif.)
1/27 Mazie K. Hirono Sen. (D-Hawaii)
1/27 Tammy Duckworth Rep. (D-Ill.)
1/22 Grace Napolitano Rep. (D-Calif.)
1/22 Lucille Roybal-Allard Rep. (D-Calif.)
1/22 Loretta Sanchez Rep. (D-Calif.)
12/18/14 Bill Nelson Sen. (D-Fla.)
12/16 Al Franken Sen. (D-Minn.)
12/1 Benjamin L. Cardin Sen. (D-Md.)
12/1 Barbara A. Mikulski Sen. (D-Md.)
11/14 Terry McAuliffe Gov. (D-Va.)
11/10 Charles B. Rangel Rep. (D-N.Y.)
10/14 Nita Lowey Rep. (D-N.Y.)
8/5 Mark R. Warner Sen. (D-Va.)
7/12 Michelle Lujan Grisham Rep. (D-N.M.)
7/12 Martin Heinrich Sen. (D-N.M.)
6/21 Patrick J. Leahy Sen. (D-Vt.)
6/18 Rick Nolan Rep. (D-Minn.)
6/18 Betty McCollum Rep. (D-Minn.)
6/7 Richard Blumenthal Sen. (D-Conn.)
6/6 Robin Kelly Rep. (D-Ill.)
6/6 Bill Foster Rep. (D-Ill.)
6/5 Richard J. Durbin Sen. (D-Ill.)
6/4 Amy Klobuchar Sen. (D-Minn.)
5/22 Debbie Stabenow Sen. (D-Mich.)
5/4 Mark Takai Rep. (D-Hawaii)
5/3 Tim Kaine Sen. (D-Va.)
2/7 Ted Deutch Rep. (D-Fla.)
1/31 Joseph Crowley Rep. (D-N.Y.)
1/29 Joe Manchin III Sen. (D-W.Va.)
1/28 Jan Schakowsky Rep. (D-Ill.)
1/28 Terri A. Sewell Rep. (D-Ala.)
1/28 Chellie Pingree Rep. (D-Maine)
1/28 Lois Frankel Rep. (D-Fla.)
1/28 Janice Hahn Rep. (D-Calif.)
1/28 Steny H. Hoyer Rep. (D-Md.)
1/28 Brian Higgins Rep. (D-N.Y.)
1/28 Luis Gutierrez Rep. (D-Ill.)
1/28 Grace Meng Rep. (D-N.Y.)
1/28 Gregory W. Meeks Rep. (D-N.Y.)
1/28 David Scott Rep. (D-Ga.)
1/28 Henry C. "Hank" Jr. Johnson Rep. (D-Ga.)
1/28 Sander Levin Rep. (D-Mich.)
1/28 Cedric Richmond Rep. (D-La.)
1/28 John Delaney Rep. (D-Md.)
1/28 Danny K. Davis Rep. (D-Ill.)
1/28 Frederica Wilson Rep. (D-Fla.)
1/28 Jim Langevin Rep. (D-R.I.)
1/28 Sheila Jackson Lee Rep. (D-Texas)
1/28 Stephen F. Lynch Rep. (D-Mass.)
1/28 Doris O. Matsui Rep. (D-Calif.)
1/28 Louise Slaughter Rep. (D-N.Y.)
1/28 Mike Honda Rep. (D-Calif.)
1/28 Joaquin Castro Rep. (D-Texas)
1/28 Sheldon Whitehouse Sen. (D-R.I.)
1/28 Gene Green Rep. (D-Texas)
1/28 Richard E. Neal Rep. (D-Mass.)
1/28 John Lewis Rep. (D-Ga.)
1/28 David Cicilline Rep. (D-R.I.)
1/13 Chris Van Hollen Rep. (D-Md.)
12/12/13 Dianne Feinstein Sen. (D-Calif.)
11/17 Kirsten E. Gillibrand Sen. (D-N.Y.)
11/11 Carolyn Maloney Rep. (D-N.Y.)
11/8 Patty Murray Sen. (D-Wash.)
11/7 Mark Dayton Gov. (D-Minn.)
11/5 Tim Ryan Rep. (D-Ohio)
11/2 Charles E. Schumer Sen. (D-N.Y.)
10/30 Barbara Boxer Sen. (D-Calif.)
8/18 Dina Titus Rep. (D-Nev.)
6/18 Claire McCaskill Sen. (D-Mo.)

[berniepdx420]

1. Can you say Establishment ... and this is an anti-establishment election !

Good Luck !!!

[bigtree]

4. that only works if you're running against the Democratic party

...including all but two members of the Progressive Caucus which Sanders founded who are supporting Hillary.

[berniepdx420]

12. You are mistaken... Bernie's campaign is a campaign for paid for by ordinary

americans... he looks to take on big money interest who have a strangle hold on Washington.. You can't see the forest for the trees... the system is rigged.. and we want change.. not a third way third clinton term.. enough is enough

[bigtree]

22. people supporting Hillary's campaign aren't abstractions

...

[berniepdx420]

24. No but the majority of $ come from Fat Cats.. don't act like you don't know makes you look

dishonest

[enid602]

39. Republicans

Bernie's campaign is a campaign for paid for by ordinary Republicans who are hoping for a weak dem candidate this season who doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell in the GE.

[berniepdx420]

45. What are you drinking ? Guess it's all Republicans that are donating 27 bucks a piece...

[frylock]

70. That's what I'd say too.

[leftofcool]

77. I don't want to burst your bubble but the Democratic party will win the Primary

All Hillary has to do is beat Bernie by one pledged delegate and it's over for him. Get used to saying Madame President.

[UglyGreed]

2. Pretty pretty good for

an outsider.......

[lunamagica]

3. K&R. That is really impressive!

Who in their right mind can really believe that all those people are 1) Low-information 2). Sell outs.

Ridiculous!

[litlbilly]

7. sellouts, money. thats how the game is played, they will all get behind Bernie at some point

[bigtree]

14. the party is a coalition

...we unite behind our nominee because that's how we achieve victory and provide the opportunity to advance our progressive agenda.

I hope Sen. Sanders sticks around to vote for Pres. Clinton's agenda - whether he's still a Democrat, or an independent again.

[berniepdx420]

47. You sure hillary isn't a Dem in name only... I mean she's a Third Wayer.. lol

[bigtree]

64. this from a supporter of this election-conversion Democrat

...yeah. the dreaded third-way

[cascadiance]

62. She hasn't been *nominated* yet, much as the corporatist lobbyists and media want to claim it so now

I would rather rally behind REAL *progressive* agenda, and not such labeled as "progressive" as entities like the "Progressive Policy Institute" and the "Progressive Coalition for American Jobs" and other "creative" naming of non-progressive neo-liberal entities or agendas that want to work more for the 1% than the 99%. The 1% wouldn't be putting so much money in to this election if they greedily didn't think they could get back something for themselves from that bribery (a term that they also paid to define as being "legal" now).

[bigtree]

66. omg, you can't even bear any optimism?

...you do what you want. Use whatever mumbo-jumbo that gets you through the election.

The Progressive Caucus, made up of congressmen, was FOUNDED by Bernie Sanders. All but two members support Hillary.

[lunamagica]

16. Most of these people have stellar careers helping democratic causes

Last edited Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:45 PM - Edit history (1)

To smear them that way just because they don't support your candidate is shameful.

[litlbilly]

20. Occording to you. Shameful my ass. You are the shameful one. That list is absolutely useless.

Bernie actually has the people behind him, yours only has the ones in the list because of money. That's it.

[lunamagica]

28. Keep telling yourself that

[litlbilly]

42. ignore, love that button

[leftofcool]

79. Bernie does not have Democrats behind him

Do you really think he can win a general election without 87% of Democrats? They won't back him now and they never will.

[TheBlackAdder]

5. So many progressive political giants, and yet one thing is missing: PROGRESS nt

[bigtree]

11. I'd think some of that critical view would land

...in the lap of someone who's been part and parcel of that institution for decades and decades, voting over 98% of the time with Hillary and other Democrats.

[TheBlackAdder]

19. The answer to your post lies with a critical analysis of it. But scapgoating works too!

[litlbilly]

6. more like a who cares list of corporate money saturation.

[GoneFishin]

8. No way! Feinstein, Schumer, and McCaskill? I can't believe it.

[noretreatnosurrender]

50. Through the Looking Glass

How about this one - Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger - Yeah, he's a REAL progressive giant.

Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger Calls NSA Leaker A Traitor

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/07/09/rep-dutch-ruppersberger-calls-nsa-leaker-a-traitor/

[GoneFishin]

56. Right wing moles embedded in the Democratic party to sabotage any progressive movement from

the inside.

[frylock]

72. Progressive TITANS!

[oldandhappy]

9. guess I am a progressive midget! giggle

[m-lekktor]

10. looks like a list of politicians. nt

[dana_b]

13. Bernie endorsers:

[bigtree]

15. each one of these legislators represents hundreds of thousands of voters

...and others in their states in Congress and the Senate.

It's not insignificant to fill a stadium, but it remains to be seen if that translates into enough votes to win. Much more murky prospect for a President Sanders in the legislature.

[dana_b]

26. yes, one of them is my congresswoman

and that doesn't mean that because she is supporting Clinton that we all are.

[bigtree]

44. no, but she intends to be there for Hillary's agenda

...

[frylock]

73. And that's what motivates us.

[litlbilly]

21. You cant fake that.

[bobthedrummer]

17. I have one VOTE-just like every "giant" on your list-which I did review, bigtree.

Bill Clinton brushes aside foundation criticism (CNN June 2015)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/politics/bill-clinton-foundation-hillary-2016

[bigtree]

27. this is a good head start for a legislative agenda

...mind-blowing considering all but two members of the Progressive Caucus he founded coming out this early for Hillary. these folks KNOW Bernie, and yet, choose Hillary.

That lays to waste so many arguments against her record and agenda.

[frylock]

76. Those folks know the Clintons too..

And they know you DON'T cross the Clintons if you value your career.

[uponit7771]

18. These people were all paid by Goldman Sachs to hide Sanders unicorn revolution /orgasms..

... cause that tag is needed around here

[noretreatnosurrender]

32. Unicorns?

You mean these unicorns?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511276629#post13

[democrank]

23. Speaking of "progressive giants" ,one name was left out....

Henry Kissinger

[bobthedrummer]

46. Kissinger and Associates democrank-spot on! Money trumps peace...

No "artful smear" Clintons Paid $153 Million in Speaking Fees, Analysis Shows (CommonDreams Feb. 2, 2016)
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/02/06/no-artful-smear-clintons-paid-153-million-speaking-fees-analysis-shows

[SoLeftIAmRight]

25. millions of Americans think they are wrong

...How many? - time will tell

[bigtree]

30. apparently

...millions more agree with them.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

35. and time will tell

...

[panader0]

41. What? Hillary has millions more supporters.

Check the recent polls. They are at least tied.

[noretreatnosurrender]

29. Progressive Giants?

I think you need to edit that list if that's what you were trying to show.

[bigtree]

34. read the op

I already qualified my view of the tweet.

[noretreatnosurrender]

52. Wrong Headline

You should probably fix your headline, it's not accurate.

[bigtree]

67. I like the headline

...and there is an awesome number of progressives on that list.

That has to bern.

[panader0]

31. Where's Brittany?

[bigtree]

36. bless her heart

[Buns_of_Fire]

61. I was looking for Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL).

But then I realized she has to remain neutral, being head of the DNC and all.

(I managed to type that with a straight face. And if you think it's easy typing with your face, try it sometime.)

[Bohemianwriter]

33. Have you...

checked out their lists of donors?

[bigtree]

40. are you in a campaign against the Democratic party?

...your choice.

If that's the Sanders' campaign's view, it's no wonder his peers have abandoned him.

[panader0]

43. money corrupts my brother...

[Bohemianwriter]

49. Are you in favor..

of big money and corruption will destroy the democratic party?

[Bluenorthwest]

60. The first person on your list of 'progressive giants' voted for DOMA. What's that say about Hillary?

'Don't trust me'. That's what.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

37. That is a big and impressive list. Do you think they'll get what they want?

I think we the people may edge them out this time around, but it'll be a squeaker.

[djean111]

38. Too bad Hillary is not a Progressive Giant. Or even a Progressive.

Her endorsements don't cancel out her stances on war and cluster bombs and fracking and increased H-1B visas and the TPP, for me. None of those things are Progressive, and it looks to me like her endorsements are politically expedient.

Interesting, the little hint that these people would not work with Bernie as president. Hopefully, I will be able to vote in a primary against some of the Florida DINOs, too!

[grntuscarora]

48. I have nothing against these reps,

but "progressive giants"??? Setting the bar kind of low, aren't you?

[loyalsister]

51. Jay Nixon and Claire McCaskill are not progressive

Jay Nixon has overseen more than 90% of MO executions as a prosecutor, AG, and governor. Clair McCaskill, former tough on crime prosecutor is not progress. Both cut their teeth in the corruption of the criminal justice system and are in office because they are bullies.

[Kip Humphrey]

53. The term, "a Progressive", used in this context is defined as anyone who endorses Hillary Clinton.

fail.

[Prism]

54. And if you jumped off a bridge . . .

Well, mom says, Prism, you'd be a dumbass.

Goin with mom, sorry.

[Perogie]

55. Bernie isn't on it and he is the biggest Progressive

[bigtree]

68. it's a list of Hillary supporters

...and you're expecting Sanders to be on it? Lol.

All but two of the Progressive Caucus he founded are on that list

[Perogie]

83. said in jest because of the who' who comment.

You're not too fast.

[DesertRat]

57. k&r

[Bluenorthwest]

58. How many of your 'progressive giants' voted for DOMA and what does it say about those who claim

those who voted against the rights of others are persons to respect as progressives?
And McCaskill is virtually a Republican, she was even later than Hillary in supporting LGBT equality. Or may she was before Hillary but after everyone else in the entire Party.....hard to keep track of who stopped bashing when.

What does it say that I am shown those who voted against my rights and told that they are great progressives?

[Hoyt]

59. Critics will need a couple of buses for that impressive group.

[wyldwolf]

63. but they're not 'reeeeeeaaaaaallll' liberals.

[Logical]

65. I am sure they want Hillary to like them. Like the super delegates. You are really gullible. nt

[frylock]

69. These endorsements and a nickel...

[Nanjeanne]

71. Well Bernie has Dick Van Dyke emceeing his Nevada rally = and that's worth all those endorsements to

me!!!

Dick Van Dyke - 90 years old and still magic!

[frylock]

74. lol at Claire McCaskill

Frist!!1

[libdem4life]

75. Must make them wonder why she's tanking. Sure the donors are asking the same question.

What's going on? This isn't on-script. They Forgot about 2008.

Proves that it the times they are achangin'

[krawhitham]

78. only reason she gets these is because people fear Bernie can't win GE, that is changing

Poll after poll after poll is showing he is stronger in a GE and that she loses most head to head comparisons, many will change sides just like they did in 2008

[whatchamacallit]

80. Too bad the struggling American people aren't impressed

[rurallib]

81. This is what makes me so confused on why she is running the way she is

All she really had to do is not make mistakes especially unforced mistakes.
She has the money, she has the resume, she has the endorsements, she has the super delegates, she has it all
Yet she runs in an almost Republican way where she (or her campaign) wants to destroy her opponent. Sadly she gets bad advice to lie and stretch and conflate. Thus giving her opponent major openings.

Having Chelsea go after Sanders on health care (attack the strength) was a monumental mistake. Putting Bill out there is begging for trouble. Did they forget last election?

What scares me is that she should still get the nomination just based on projections. Will she fuck up the fall campaign in such a way that she will make Republicans look sympathetic.

If she is the nominee I hope she gets her act together. Republicans will be smearing her in ways never before seen.

[MellowDem]

82. The Democratic Party isn't progressive...

It's a mildly conservative corporatist party in a 2 party system that is heavily bought and paid for over the decades. It is not a party that I can relate to or be proud of, all I can say about it is that it's better than the alternative. Sanders is only running as a Democrat because he realizes in a 2 party system running third party would split the vote, and he cares enough not to do that.

So the fact that the entire heavily corporate party is backing their heavily corporate candidate is exactly what I was expecting, and exactly why I think our political system has to change before any fundamental changes can happen.

Many Clinton supporters here seem thrive on their spite of having identified with a party that isn't progressive but that they want to pretend is. Most Clinton supporters outside of here are just moderate conservatives, like the Democratic Party itself.

The corporate Democratic Party won't be getting any more progressive on matters that hurt big business, but are more than willing to change shapes for issues that don't. Gay marriage is a good example, though they waited until the last minute only after the winds had shifted to change their policy on that, now it's just good business, not any sort of moral right. And when it was good business to throw gay people under the bus, they did, and when it was good business to throw minorities in jail they did, and if it ever becomes good business again, they will again.

But as for universal health care, or public college for everyone, or paid family leave, or immigration reform that doesn't allow for the continued exploitation of cheap labor, or marijuana reform, or prison reform, they will have to be dragged kicking and screaming as their lobbyists fight tooth and nail, and only when there is an option with more profit will they switch. It's not a party of principles. It's not a respectable party. The only thing it has going for it is the two party system and a monopoly on political power for those who dislike Republicans more.

Progressive leaders that have fought for progressive causes have been absorbed and subsumed into the party system. Some of them have utterly betrayed progressive values since, and receive millions each year from all manner of corporate lobbies as part of their strategy to stay elected. And while their individual actions may warrant respect, the actions of the party they work for look utterly horrible to someone that cares about progressive issues.

If someone is an extreme cynic that feels this party, as terrible as it is, has to be supported at all costs and no other change is possible, they don't have my respect. I can't respect a party that is fundamentally a sham because it is bought and paid for many times over and motivated far more by corporate influence than what people want.

Party politics sucks ass in the US, the two party system is a sham, and the label of party loyalist carries no virtue to me.

[Matt_R]

84. one thing sticks out for me.

12/12/13 Dianne Feinstein Sen. (D-Calif.)

Is this list correct? Going back to December 2013. It looks as if Hillary Clinton has been running for president for 3+ years.