Bernie Sanders' brother goes full GOP on Bill Clinton

[ericson00]

http://nypost.com/2016/02/19/bernie-sanders-brother-says-rapist-bill-clinton-was-a-lousy-president/

“Is Bill really such a terrible rapist — or is he a nice rapist?” Larry Sanders told The Daily Beast, asking the question he said is on most people’s minds when it comes to the former president, whose wife, Hillary, is in a showdown with Bernie Sanders for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Larry Sanders, 80, called Hillary Clinton’s moderate politics “feeble” — but saved most of his wrath for her husband during the interview at his home in Oxford, England.

“Bill Clinton has leapt in to try and make it personal with Bernard. He was a dreadful president — in general — for poor people,” the elder Sanders said.

[guillaumeb]

1. Pathetic. William Clinton's personal behavior has no bearing on his policies.

And he is not the candidate this time. Thankfully for us all.

But I agree with Larry Sanders that Clinton's policies in many areas were a disaster for the bottom 90%. The tech bubble economy of the Clinton years collapsed shortly after his Presidency ended.

[EdwardBernays]

10. Wellllll

Personal behaviour does matter to a degree. Rape is different than repeatedly cheating on your wife, and then lying to your wife, and lying to all of America, and wasting months and months of your Presidency fighting legal challenges...

That is different to rape.

[guillaumeb]

19. What goes on in the Clinton marriage is their affair. I do not care.

But using the word rape to describe what reportedly was consensual behavior is somewhat foolish and disingenuous.

[guillaumeb]

61. My vagueness. I was speaking of Ms. Lewinski.

[EdwardBernays]

62. Ah

Well I would only even use that world as a possibility in reference to Broaddrick...

[TacoD]

63. Jury Results:

Last edited Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:45 PM - Edit history (1)

On Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:46 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Juanita Broaddrick never called it consensual
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1276856

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

No legal action, civil or criminal, was taken against Clinton or Broaddrick based on the allegation and the case was dismissed. Calling him a rapist and parotting Breitbart and the crazy ass right wingers is highly inappropriate and over the top.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:59 PM, and the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hillary Clinton is using History to extend Bill, to the public in a political campaign in 2015-16. If he extended himself into other people's beds and did not stay at home then Hillary has accepted her engagement with public knowledge and public use.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The whole thread should be hidden.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: posts derived from deviously edited tabloid trash newsrag snot not worthy or appropriate for discussion here. This whole post accusing Sanders brother of calling Clinton a rapist when what he meant was that the discussion of issues has devolved to such a level and accusing clinton of rape here should be shoveled out
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Explanation: Agree with alerter, and I am a Bernie supporter.

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[cui bono]

27. This is a hit piece, a smear. It's not true, he never said that.

Truth is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511275983

Or downthread.

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[EdwardBernays]

2. You're right

He's simply an ACCUSED rapist.

Good catch.

On the other hand his policies which hurt minorities and the poor should be heavily criticised.

[ericson00]

5. Clinton's accusers' accusations were looked into; nothing behind them

Jones, Broaddrick, etc. are liars. The end.

[EdwardBernays]

16. No

That's just not true.

No one ever disproved Juanita Broaddrick.

And Paula Jones was paid off by Clinton.

Also:

In April 1999, Judge Wright found Clinton in civil contempt of court for misleading testimony in the Jones case. She ordered Clinton to pay $1,202 to the court and an additional $90,000 to Jones's lawyers for expenses incurred,[16][17][18] far less than the $496,000 that the lawyers originally requested.[18]

Wright then referred Clinton's conduct to the Arkansas Bar for disciplinary action, and on January 19, 2001, the day before Clinton left the office of president, he entered into an agreement with the Arkansas Bar and Independent Counsel Robert Ray under which Clinton was stripped of his license to practice law in Arkansas for a period of five years.

So... You know..

[CoffeeCat]

29. I don't think we'll ever know what happened

those women still assert their original allegations.

Clinton (Bill, that is) settled with Paula Jones, so I'm not so sure anyone can call her a liar.

These are allegations from multiple women.

We'll never know what really happened. We weren't there.

[EdwardBernays]

45. Absolutely right

We can't know.

What we do know about Bill's philandering though and his ego and his willingness to lie about sex makes it impossible to just the his word for it. Sadly.

[CoffeeCat]

48. And I was giving him the benefit of the doubt...

...knowing that he had sex with a 22 year old intern while he was in his 50's and President of the United States.

As if what we DO know isn't horrifying enough.

[EdwardBernays]

49. 100%

Disgusting behaviour.

[beam me up scottie]

3. Why did the NYP edit the article to make it look like Larry called Bill a rapist?

He was faulting the media for their coverage of the Clintons, from the article:

“The media have a lot to answer for, I think, you don’t get that detailed discussion. You get: ‘Is Hillary a nice person? Is Bill really such a terrible rapist or is he a nice rapist?’ It’s at that level the discussion—so you can imagine that people could have a pleasant opinion but not based on the actual policies.”

Larry is at pains to point out that they have real respect for Hillary. (The Clinton campaign did not respond to a request for comment.)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/19/bernie-sanders-s-brother-he-backs-class-warfare-bill-clinton-was-worse-than-bush.html

[DisgustipatedinCA]

9. Well that only changes the meaning of the quote by about 180 degrees.

Thank you for this--much appreciated.

[beam me up scottie]

31. You're welcome!

[noamnety]

12. Please make this an OP.

That's the story. If I could rec your post without rec'ing this whole mess, I would.

[beam me up scottie]

20. Done, please kick and rec it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511275983

[frylock]

13. Wow. I'm shocked that OP would omit that.

A mere oversight that I'm sure will be corrected, post haste.

[beam me up scottie]

21. Another op did the same thing earlier but deleted it when he was called out.

This is right wing garbage and the op should also delete.

It smears both Bill Clinton and Sanders.

[frylock]

22. All in a days work, I suppose.

[forest444]

51. Our buddy Ericson conveniently left that out; thank you, Scottie.

Please consider making the above link, with your emphasized text, into a new thread of its own!

[beam me up scottie]

52. Thanks, and I already did, please kick and rec it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511275983

[forest444]

53. Will do!

[cali]

4. That is awful. And yea, Bernie needs to muzzle his brother

[cyberswede]

8. He didn't really say what the OP says he said.

[cui bono]

26. He didn't say it. I know you are bending over backwards to play nice but this is a hit piece.

Truth is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511275983

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[cyberswede]

6. Actually, he said THE MEDIA present that idea of Bill Clinton

“The media have a lot to answer for, I think, you don’t get that detailed discussion. You get: ‘Is Hillary a nice person? Is Bill really such a terrible rapist or is he a nice rapist?’ It’s at that level the discussion — so you can imagine that people could have a pleasant opinion but not based on the actual policies.”

The NY Post totally mischaracterizes the original Daily Beast article.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/19/bernie-sanders-s-brother-he-backs-class-warfare-bill-clinton-was-worse-than-bush.html

[Vinca]

7. This isn't the first posting of this. I imagine this one will be locked, too.

You can't pick your relatives or muzzle them. If you recall, the Clintons had Roger to deal with back in the day.

[workinclasszero]

11. Wow how low can Bernie go?

Gutter politics are caused by SC and super tuesday panic I guess.

[jillan]

14. Bernie did not say this.

[frylock]

17. Nor did Larry.

[cui bono]

25. This OP is a smear. No one said this.

Truth is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511275983

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[frylock]

15. Anyone up for some Thompson Twins?

[JI7]

18. MISLEADING. HE WAS CALLING OUT THE MEDIA

And what they do

[m-lekktor]

23. Nice right wing source you have there. New York Post.

you must be new at this.

[cui bono]

24. Bullshit. Not the full quote. Debunked already.

This is Faux News style posting.



Truth is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511275983

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[OxQQme]

28. Can you say "Swiftboat"? n/t

[demmiblue]

30. Delete and apologize for bringing this crap here. n/t

[cyberswede]

56. +1. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

32. Has anyone alerted on this, since it is factually inaccurate and has not been edited?

[SwampG8r]

34. 3 4 leave

I dont have results it was already alerted

[DisgustipatedinCA]

35. Thanks. I'm glad someone tried to do the right thing. nt

[UglyGreed]

46. Good to see

some here like to leave the distortions from the NY Post up.

[Mike__M]

33. How low will "they" go

"They" being the ones trying to smear Larry Sanders.

[Fla Dem]

36. Bernie better stuff a towel in his brother's mouth or he's going to

wreck whatever minimal chance BS had of winning the nomination. I guess it's a look at Bernie's temperament in 4 years.

[karynnj]

60. just as soon as either Bill or Chelsea are muzzled.

Read what he really said. In the only video I a
Saw of Larry Sanders, he was a well spoken respectable man. Care to stack him up against the Rodhams?

[eggplant]

37. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie Sanders' brother goes full GOP on Bill Clinton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511275864

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a right wing smear from the Post, the original article from Daily Beast was edited:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/19/bernie-sanders-s-brother-he-backs-class-warfare-bill-clinton-was-worse-than-bush.html

This not only smears Sen Sanders it also spreads rumors about Bill's alleged rape victims. Right wing garbage has no place here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Feb 19, 2016, 01:08 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agreed. The OP needs to include a link to the actual interview at the Daily Beast, rather than this garbage from a rag like the New York Post. To misrepresent what Larry Sanders actually said in this way, twisting his criticism of the main stream media, is disingenuous. This article not only smears both of the Sanders' brothers and the women who accused President Clinton of sexual assault, but it also does exactly what Larry Sanders referred to by putting the word "Rapist" into a headline with "Clinton". Despicable all around. Wingnut material.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The quote in the OP leaves out the context; namely, that this is a criticism of sensationalist media. Odd that these particular lines were chosen as the excerpt for the OP, unless the goal was to suggest that Bernie is being mean to Hillary. I see no reason to hide this. Certainly an educated discussion can ensue in the replies.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: no.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The post is deceptive. Sanders' brother did not call or imply that Bill Clinton is a rapist.
We should all try to make our posts accurate.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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[George II]

38. I guess ex-pat Larry Sanders is confused about our elections. Even if it did matter....

.....(which it doesn't), I don't think Bill Clinton's name will be found on any primary, caucus, or general election ballot.

I wonder if Larry has ready any of his bro's essays?

[beam me up scottie]

39. Are you actually comparing an essay on gender stereotypes to rape allegations?

The right wing lied about both Bill and Bernie but some people eat it up.

That's why the Post edited Larry's comments, but I guess that doesn't matter to some HC supporters even though they dragged Bill's name through the muck again to sell papers.

This kind of crap hurts both candidates.

[Live and Learn]

40. What a disgusting post. Shame on you. nt

[Doctor_J]

43. Hillarians have no shame

[DisgustipatedinCA]

41. CASUAL READER: THE OP IS NOT ACCURATE & YOU'LL BE ANGRY WHEN YOU READ THE TRUTH.

Please do check into it--there are several corrections in this thread, and another solo thread that give lie to this claim. Please check it out, and thanks.

[Doctor_J]

42. More bullshit from the post and its fans in camp weather vane

Do you honestly think this will damage Sanders campaign?

[polly7]

47. umm ........... hasn't this been debunked as a sleazy misquote?

Why on earth would anyone claim he was going full GOP on Clinton when it was deliberately taken out of context?

[MohRokTah]

50. Despicable smears fom the Sanders family!

I'm not surprised, though.

[cyberswede]

55. Except that's not what he said. At all.

He said THE MEDIA present that idea of Bill Clinton.

“The media have a lot to answer for, I think, you don’t get that detailed discussion. You get: ‘Is Hillary a nice person? Is Bill really such a terrible rapist or is he a nice rapist?’ It’s at that level the discussion — so you can imagine that people could have a pleasant opinion but not based on the actual policies.”

The NY Post totally mischaracterizes the original Daily Beast article.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/19/bernie-sanders-s-brother-he-backs-class-warfare-bill-clinton-was-worse-than-bush.html

[MohRokTah]

58. Too late, he's on the record with those words coming out of his mouth.

REpukes will now play it on a loop after Hillary has been nominated.

[frylock]

64. Play it on a loop..

[plus5mace]

54. Gee, the Clintons are slandering Sander's family now.

Operation kitchen sink is in full effect.

[Bohemianwriter]

57. One might wonder...

If the allegations against old William are true;
Then we can talk about wheterh it's worse to call a rapist a rapist than the rape itself..

[Thinkingabout]

59. Interesting information and though denials have been made i have not seen any links it isn't true.

[DefenseLawyer]

65. Do we really want to start looking at Tony Rodham?

A first class grifter.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/hillary-clinton-hugh-tony-rodham