Sanders' Smile is 'Genuine' But Clinton is Hiding Something, Body Language Expert Says

[FreakinDJ]

Tonya Reiman tells IE that Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders "is authentic. He's always genuine ... He's got the creases, the cheeks are raised."

Hillary Clinton, not so much, Reiman says.

"She smiles just to mask whatever emotion she doesn't want you to see," Reiman said. "This is known as a social smile. There's not much movement around the eyes and the lips aren't really elevated."

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/14619-sanders-smile-is-genuine-but-clinton-is-hiding-something-body-language-expert-says

[noretreatnosurrender]

1. Stop

Can we please stop posting this piece. It's silly.

[FreakinDJ]

3. Truth Hurt much

think that's bad take a look at Bernie's poll numbers trajectory

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/polls/?embed=1&chart=chart-democrat-overall

[Tanuki]

4. "Truth"....straight from "a regular contributor to the O'Reilly Factor, on the Fox News Channel"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonya_Reiman

[FreakinDJ]

11. ask yourself one question

[noretreatnosurrender]

16. Truth doesn't hurt at all

I'm a Sanders supporter asking you to please post legitimate info instead of nonsensical body language analysis.

[immoderate]

2. I 'socially smile' at this...

Waiting for the phrenologists and card readers to roll in.

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

17. try science

Facial expressions are one example of emotional behavior that illustrate the importance of emotions to both basic survival and social interaction. Basic facial responses to stimuli such as sweet and bitter taste are important for species fitness and governed by simple rules. Even at this basic level, facial responses have communicative value to other species members. During evolution simple facial responses were extended for use in more complex nonverbal communications; the responses are labile. The perception and production of facial expressions are cognitive processes and numerous subcortical and cortical areas contribute to these operations. We suggest that no specific emotion center exists over and above cognitive systems in the brain, and that emotion should not be divorced from cognition.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12812804

Facial expressions provide a window into the affective state, cognitive activity, temperament and perhaps, personality and psychopathology of an individual. With the increasing use of facial expressions in the clinical investigation of neuropsychiatric disorders affecting the perception and expression of emotions, affect recognition has proved more tractable for quantitative research while difficulties in quantification of expressions have emerged as major obstacles for progress in research in this area. As clinicians currently rely on purely manual and typically subjective methods of rating expressions, clinical research in schizophrenia and affective disorders has focused on the perception and recognition capabilities of the patients compared to healthy controls, and not so much on the way in which patients express emotions differently from healthy controls. The development of objective automated methods of expression quantification from 2D and 3D image data is the primary goal of this project. The specific goals of the project are:
https://www.cbica.upenn.edu/sbia/projects/facial_expresion.html

Faces convey a wealth of social signals. A dominant view in face-perception research has been that the recognition of facial identity and facial expression involves separable visual pathways at the functional and neural levels, and data from experimental, neuropsychological, functional imaging and cell-recording studies are commonly interpreted within this framework. However, the existing evidence supports this model less strongly than is often assumed. Alongside this two-pathway framework, other possible models of facial identity and expression recognition, including one that has emerged from principal component analysis techniques, should be considered.
http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v6/n8/abs/nrn1724.html

Recent neuroscience research has investigated the mechanisms and neural bases of emotion processing. In these experimental studies, images of facial expressions pertaining to various specific emotions have often been used, because facial expressions are one of the most powerful means of communication between human beings.1 The importance of facial expressions in social interaction and social intelligence is widely recognized in anthropology and psychology.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3687050/

This study is part of an effort to map neural systems involved in the processing of emotion, and it focuses on the possible cortical components of the process of recognizing facial expressions. We hypothesized that the cortical systems most responsible for the recognition of emotional facial expressions would draw on discrete regions of right higher-order sensory cortices and that the recognition of specific emotions would depend on partially distinct system subsets of such cortical regions. We tested these hypotheses using lesion analysis in 37 subjects with focal brain damage. Subjects were asked to recognize facial expressions of six basic emotions: happiness, surprise, fear, anger, disgust, and sadness. Data were analyzed with a novel technique, based on three-dimensional reconstruction of brain images, in which anatomical description of surface lesions and task performance scores were jointly mapped onto a standard brain-space. We found that all subjects recognized happy expressions normally but that some subjects were impaired in recognizing negative emotions, especially fear and sadness. The cortical surface regions that best correlated with impaired recognition of emotion were in the right inferior parietal cortex and in the right mesial anterior infracalcarine cortex. We did not find impairments in recognizing any emotion in subjects with lesions restricted to the left hemisphere. These data provide evidence for a neural system important to processing facial expressions of some emotions, involving discrete visual and somatosensory cortical sectors in right hemisphere.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/16/23/7678.abstract

[immoderate]

20. Where is the 'lie detector' part?

I'm not surprised that emotions correspond to neurophysiological responses. People are pretty neurological -- all the time. Show me the handbook that corresponds to human emotions, and I will show you how to fake them.

Have you ever played poker?

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

21. would you like to explore this topic?

State your position clearly. One sentence that conveys your position. Then we will together explore the scientific literature and see what we find.

It could be helpful to some here that might be interested.

[immoderate]

23. 'Body language' does not reveal prevarication with certainty.

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

26. Very slippery and...

not really a formulation that a scientist would give much time.

A more fruitful avenue of exploration would be:

What can and do we know about the link between cognition and physical expression.

Also the "NOT" is problematic as is the "certainty".

Interested in a refinement? It would be more productive. I will understand any reluctance.

[immoderate]

27. How about: "You can't tell a liar by looking."

I'll let you formulate the scientific iteration.

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

32. It seems that you want to let your statement stand. OK - Here we go.

Body language' does not reveal prevarication with certainty.

To refute this statement it is necessary and sufficient to find one and only one example where

"Body language reveals prevarication with certainty"

We must define:

Body language
reveals
prevarication
certainty

Want first shot?

[immoderate]

33. Uhm, no. It would have to always reveal prevarication with certainty.

How could you be certain that it doesn't? Coincidence must be ruled out.

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

34. You must have studied a different mathematics than I

must we begin with basic mathematics?

[immoderate]

36. Does your mathematics say that if you can detect one liar with body language,

that you can detect all of them?

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

37. We are working with the statement that you made.

Do you want to change the game?

[immoderate]

40. I said body language does not reveal prevarication with certainty.

Are you saying it does?

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

41. do you want to explore this question?

let's move on into the science

[immoderate]

46. Sure. Can your expert body language interpreter be fooled?

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

47. Lets continue in the Science Group

the thread is waiting

[immoderate]

50. Let's see if anyone bites.

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

35. This might help

http://www.personal.kent.edu/~rmuhamma/Philosophy/Logic/ProofTheory/DisproofByCounterexample.htm


Direct Proof

Disproof by Counterexample

Recall (or visit my logic page) that a conditional statement says that a certain property is true for every member of a certain set. If we can find one member of the specified set for which the example of a member of the set for which the specified properties do not hold is called a counterexample of the statement. Stating a counterexample of a conditional statement will thus disprove the statement. Note that here by "disprove it" I mean "prove it to be false."

Now, we show how to disprove a statement of the form:

? x ? D, if P(x), then Q(x)

We know that to show this statement is false is equivalent to show that its negation is true. The negation of the statement is:

? x ? D such that P(x) and ~Q(x)

Hence, the method of disproof by counterexample is as follows:

To disprove a Statement of the form:

? x ? D, if P(x), then Q(x)

Find a value of x in the domain D for which antecedent P(x) is true and consequent Q(x) is false. Such an x is called a counterexample.



The use of a counterexample to disprove a statement is simple and easy, if counterexample can be found, but this is not always possible. Goldbach (1690 - 1764) developed the conjecture that "every even number except two could be represented as the sum of two primes." No one has yet proved or disproved this statement. Note that inductive reasoning (in contrast to deductive reasoning) leads only to tentative or probable conclusions called conjectures.



As an example, disprove the following statement by finding a counterexample:

? real numbers a and b, if a2 = b2, then a = b.

To disprove this universal statement, we need to find real numbers a and b so that antecedent a2 = b2 is true and consequent a = b is false. In other words, we need to find real numbers such that a2 = b2 and a ? b.

Let us suppose that a = 1 and b = -1.

Then (a2 = b2) is 1 = 1 and (a ? b) is 1 ? -1.



Example 2: Disprove the following universal statement:

For all positive integers n, if n is prime, then n is odd

[Recall, to show the given statement is false, all we needed to do is to show its negation is true.]

And the negation of the above statement is:

? an integer n such that n is prime and n is not odd

or equivalently,

? an integer n such that n is prime and n is even



Now keeping the this in mind, let n = 2. Then n is prime and n is even. Hence, ? an integer n such that n is prime and n is even [is a true statement], and so the given statement is false.

Example 3: Disprove the following statement by counterexample:

If a sum of two integers is even, then one of the summands is even.

[Note that in the expression, a + b = c, a and b are summands and c is the sum.]

Our counterexample would be:

Let m = 1 and n = 3.

Then, we have

m + n = 1 + 3

= 4

That is, (m + n) is even number, but neither summand m nor n is even.

[immoderate]

38. You are reading a "never" that is not there.

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

39. Body language' does not reveal prevarication with certainty

does not = never

[immoderate]

43. does not = is neutral, random, disconnected, uncorrelated

You imply a direct negative relationship. I purposely did not infer it.

--imm

[SoLeftIAmRight]

44. A does not = B

sounds clear to me

[immoderate]

48. No, it's not. I'm saying A is irrelevant to B.

That is different than "A = not B."

--imm

[MohRokTah]

5. But what does the astrologer say?

Have they laid out crystals yet to check the chakras of the candidates?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

18. try science

Facial expressions are one example of emotional behavior that illustrate the importance of emotions to both basic survival and social interaction. Basic facial responses to stimuli such as sweet and bitter taste are important for species fitness and governed by simple rules. Even at this basic level, facial responses have communicative value to other species members. During evolution simple facial responses were extended for use in more complex nonverbal communications; the responses are labile. The perception and production of facial expressions are cognitive processes and numerous subcortical and cortical areas contribute to these operations. We suggest that no specific emotion center exists over and above cognitive systems in the brain, and that emotion should not be divorced from cognition.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12812804

Facial expressions provide a window into the affective state, cognitive activity, temperament and perhaps, personality and psychopathology of an individual. With the increasing use of facial expressions in the clinical investigation of neuropsychiatric disorders affecting the perception and expression of emotions, affect recognition has proved more tractable for quantitative research while difficulties in quantification of expressions have emerged as major obstacles for progress in research in this area. As clinicians currently rely on purely manual and typically subjective methods of rating expressions, clinical research in schizophrenia and affective disorders has focused on the perception and recognition capabilities of the patients compared to healthy controls, and not so much on the way in which patients express emotions differently from healthy controls. The development of objective automated methods of expression quantification from 2D and 3D image data is the primary goal of this project. The specific goals of the project are:
https://www.cbica.upenn.edu/sbia/projects/facial_expresion.html

Faces convey a wealth of social signals. A dominant view in face-perception research has been that the recognition of facial identity and facial expression involves separable visual pathways at the functional and neural levels, and data from experimental, neuropsychological, functional imaging and cell-recording studies are commonly interpreted within this framework. However, the existing evidence supports this model less strongly than is often assumed. Alongside this two-pathway framework, other possible models of facial identity and expression recognition, including one that has emerged from principal component analysis techniques, should be considered.
http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v6/n8/abs/nrn1724.html

Recent neuroscience research has investigated the mechanisms and neural bases of emotion processing. In these experimental studies, images of facial expressions pertaining to various specific emotions have often been used, because facial expressions are one of the most powerful means of communication between human beings.1 The importance of facial expressions in social interaction and social intelligence is widely recognized in anthropology and psychology.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3687050/

This study is part of an effort to map neural systems involved in the processing of emotion, and it focuses on the possible cortical components of the process of recognizing facial expressions. We hypothesized that the cortical systems most responsible for the recognition of emotional facial expressions would draw on discrete regions of right higher-order sensory cortices and that the recognition of specific emotions would depend on partially distinct system subsets of such cortical regions. We tested these hypotheses using lesion analysis in 37 subjects with focal brain damage. Subjects were asked to recognize facial expressions of six basic emotions: happiness, surprise, fear, anger, disgust, and sadness. Data were analyzed with a novel technique, based on three-dimensional reconstruction of brain images, in which anatomical description of surface lesions and task performance scores were jointly mapped onto a standard brain-space. We found that all subjects recognized happy expressions normally but that some subjects were impaired in recognizing negative emotions, especially fear and sadness. The cortical surface regions that best correlated with impaired recognition of emotion were in the right inferior parietal cortex and in the right mesial anterior infracalcarine cortex. We did not find impairments in recognizing any emotion in subjects with lesions restricted to the left hemisphere. These data provide evidence for a neural system important to processing facial expressions of some emotions, involving discrete visual and somatosensory cortical sectors in right hemisphere.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/16/23/7678.abstract

[kstewart33]

51. LOL! nt

[uponit7771]

6. The marginalized groups are usually seen as more dishonest by the establishment power structure...

[Waiting For Everyman]

7. She shakes her head "no" when she's lying.

She did that during the Town Hall on MSNBC last night, when saying that Sanders wasn't a Democrat and didn't know what went on when Bill was President.

What's really phony is the eyebrows raised to the hairline, bugged-out eyes expression. WTF is up with that?

[dchill]

28. tic, tic, tic...

tic

[UglyGreed]

8. Oh oh

you are in for it now

[FreakinDJ]

9. I did not have Financial Relations with that Bank

there I said it again

[UglyGreed]

10. You must be

a mole of some sort

[Bucky]

12. Gosh, that's not subjective at all

(fake smile)


Love me some Bernie, but this story is utter bullshit.

[DavidDvorkin]

13. "Body language expert" is pseudoscientific rubbish.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

19. try science

Facial expressions are one example of emotional behavior that illustrate the importance of emotions to both basic survival and social interaction. Basic facial responses to stimuli such as sweet and bitter taste are important for species fitness and governed by simple rules. Even at this basic level, facial responses have communicative value to other species members. During evolution simple facial responses were extended for use in more complex nonverbal communications; the responses are labile. The perception and production of facial expressions are cognitive processes and numerous subcortical and cortical areas contribute to these operations. We suggest that no specific emotion center exists over and above cognitive systems in the brain, and that emotion should not be divorced from cognition.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12812804

Facial expressions provide a window into the affective state, cognitive activity, temperament and perhaps, personality and psychopathology of an individual. With the increasing use of facial expressions in the clinical investigation of neuropsychiatric disorders affecting the perception and expression of emotions, affect recognition has proved more tractable for quantitative research while difficulties in quantification of expressions have emerged as major obstacles for progress in research in this area. As clinicians currently rely on purely manual and typically subjective methods of rating expressions, clinical research in schizophrenia and affective disorders has focused on the perception and recognition capabilities of the patients compared to healthy controls, and not so much on the way in which patients express emotions differently from healthy controls. The development of objective automated methods of expression quantification from 2D and 3D image data is the primary goal of this project. The specific goals of the project are:
https://www.cbica.upenn.edu/sbia/projects/facial_expresion.html

Faces convey a wealth of social signals. A dominant view in face-perception research has been that the recognition of facial identity and facial expression involves separable visual pathways at the functional and neural levels, and data from experimental, neuropsychological, functional imaging and cell-recording studies are commonly interpreted within this framework. However, the existing evidence supports this model less strongly than is often assumed. Alongside this two-pathway framework, other possible models of facial identity and expression recognition, including one that has emerged from principal component analysis techniques, should be considered.
http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v6/n8/abs/nrn1724.html

Recent neuroscience research has investigated the mechanisms and neural bases of emotion processing. In these experimental studies, images of facial expressions pertaining to various specific emotions have often been used, because facial expressions are one of the most powerful means of communication between human beings.1 The importance of facial expressions in social interaction and social intelligence is widely recognized in anthropology and psychology.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3687050/

This study is part of an effort to map neural systems involved in the processing of emotion, and it focuses on the possible cortical components of the process of recognizing facial expressions. We hypothesized that the cortical systems most responsible for the recognition of emotional facial expressions would draw on discrete regions of right higher-order sensory cortices and that the recognition of specific emotions would depend on partially distinct system subsets of such cortical regions. We tested these hypotheses using lesion analysis in 37 subjects with focal brain damage. Subjects were asked to recognize facial expressions of six basic emotions: happiness, surprise, fear, anger, disgust, and sadness. Data were analyzed with a novel technique, based on three-dimensional reconstruction of brain images, in which anatomical description of surface lesions and task performance scores were jointly mapped onto a standard brain-space. We found that all subjects recognized happy expressions normally but that some subjects were impaired in recognizing negative emotions, especially fear and sadness. The cortical surface regions that best correlated with impaired recognition of emotion were in the right inferior parietal cortex and in the right mesial anterior infracalcarine cortex. We did not find impairments in recognizing any emotion in subjects with lesions restricted to the left hemisphere. These data provide evidence for a neural system important to processing facial expressions of some emotions, involving discrete visual and somatosensory cortical sectors in right hemisphere.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/16/23/7678.abstract

[FlatBaroque]

49. I love aggressive ignorance most of all. /

[amborin]

14. just listen to her statements & behavior and it's clear: pathological liar

[DrDan]

15. decades of being attacked - who wouldn't be holding in a lot of emotion

and now so much coming from folks from her own party.

she is a strong woman and has my vote

[ram2008]

22. She also shakes her head as if saying "no" when she's saying something untrue

Classic tell tale sign, meaning she doesn't agree with what she's saying. And she does it A LOT. Even in the answer about lying. WATCH:

[Chichiri]

24. The expert is a Republican consultant and a regular on Fox News.

Once again, Sanders fans, the GOP thanks you.

[dsc]

25. maybe we should just use a water test

if she floats she's a witch, this would be about as accurate.

[SwampG8r]

53. Your science is missing steps

Wood floats.
She floats.
What else floats?.......
Right you are a duck floats
All we need do is weigh her if she weighs more than a duck then it must be true!
I say this as a.sanders supporter and a python fan!


Dear jury, sorry but they wont stop no matter how innocuous my post. I apologize for the waste of your time.

[Mister Ed]

29. My vote for Sanders in Minnesota's March 1 caucus...

..will most certainly have nothing to do with the pronouncements of some self-appointed "expert" on body language. If I were going to do that, then I may as well consult an astrologer to help me make my voting decisions.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Oh good God

[PatrickforO]

31. This is exactly why people don't trust her.

Someone's facial expressions can tell us a whole lot. Even if we aren't conscious of reading the body language, it evokes feelings in us about the person who is speaking to us. I've always had creepy-crawley feelings when watching Clinton speak. Her eyes are just like empty pits. Nothing there, really but ambition.

This is why I've said so often that I simply do not believe Clinton cares about me or my family or the issues that matter to us. She lost me way back in the 90s and the primary cycle in 08 was terrible. Now it seems to be just anger and raw ambition.

I don't want her in the White House because I genuinely believe a Clinton Administration would be a disaster - a one-term nightmare. But no worries - I also genuinely believe that Clinton cannot win the general election.

You see, too many people mistrust her.

[quantumjunkie]

42. Exactly

[UglyGreed]

45. Guess they decided to leave this

thread alone this time around. When I made the mistake posting this there was a counter thread created against me

[stone space]

52. "If you could read my mind..."

[anotherproletariat]

54. We were just talking about the appearances of the candidates "around the water cooler"...

in the office (where I do my internship), and Bernie's appearance is not appealing to middle-ish aged people (most of the people I was talking to are in their mid to late 30s). One woman said that "she's sure he smells like a musty old man" and that alone makes her think "ewww" when she sees him. But, on the bright side, she is still thinking about voting for him. I think younger people like his rumpled, 'yeah I want to legalize pot' look.

I have noticed that the free tuition thing is becoming less of an issue for my friends, since when we really look at it, a different system is needed. There are certainly many people who can afford to pay for a public school education. My parents are currently paying for two kids at expensive private schools. They are not loving it, but all in all they can make it work. It would not be fair to have a family like ours get free education at the taxpayers expense. What should happen is that education should be made affordable to all, not necessarily free.