2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumS.C. poll: Clinton seen as better for African-Americans, those struggling financially
Hillary Clinton's lead over Bernie Sanders in South Carolina shows few signs of decline more than a week before Democratic voters cast their ballots in the state's primary, according to the results of the latest Monmouth University poll released Thursday.
The former secretary of state leads the Vermont senator by a margin of nearly two-to-one and is seen as the candidate who is better suited to address the concerns of African-Americans, who make up a majority of the state's Democratic base.
Overall, Clinton earned 59 percent in the latest survey, in line with recent polls taken of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters in the state. Sanders took 30 percent, an increase from the 21 percent who said they supported him in the same survey in November but still 29 points below Clinton.
Asked how either candidate would do in addressing the concerns of African-Americans and those who are struggling financially, Clinton fared better than Sanders in that regard as well.
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/poll-south-carolina-hillary-clinton-219421#ixzz40d6ZFM7D
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)She may win the nomination on the backs of states that she cannot win in a competitive election.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The vast majority of Obama's wins in the 2008 primaries and caucuses came from red states.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)FBaggins
(26,748 posts)I'm not advocating that we change the current process. In most years, the nominee is the most liberal of the mainstream candidates.
I'm just concerned that the way things could work out this cycle could hurt us. I'd hate to have Texas decide our candidate when the only way we're going to win Texas is if we've already won by 100+ EVs.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Hillary won the primary but Obama won the caucus. Had he not won the Trxas caucus he very well might not have won the nomination.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Concern doesn't mean opposition to democrats in red states having their say in the primary process. This is not rocket science.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Your "concern" is duly noted for the value it actually holds.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)Unless you're trying to argue that Clinton/Obama were perceived as being as far apart as she and Sanders are - which of course is silly.
Your not even thinly veiled "concern troll" accusation is beneath civil debate. Is that really your style or is it desperation?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)oasis
(49,393 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)But once Bernie wins Nevada I suspect we'll see the snowball effect gain more momentum heading into SC. More people will learn about Bernie's history and his authenticity, while at the same time they will gain insight into how the two candidates compare on issues like Wall Street, the environment, foreign policy, etc. As more and more people learn about each candidate and are able to compare and contrast when given this information I think we'll see the gap close. Hillary will still win, but the truth is spreading.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)In the 8 years, and the period preceding it, we had a democratically controlled Congress pass TARP . Senator Obama voted for it.
As president he did not follow through on his promise to repeal the Bush tax cuts. In fact in 2010 when the Bush cuts would have sunsetted on their own, he lobbied members of the lame duck democratic majority Congress to extend them.
The number of people living in poverty 8 year ago on this day, was 32.6 million. Today 8 years later there are 42.3 million living in poverty.
The black and Hispanic communities have been particularly hard hit. 38% of black children in this country are living in poverty and the unemployment rate is also disproportionately high in this demographic.
Corporate profits are literally at a record high yet wages as as share of the GDP have not been this low since 1929.
We have ballooned the national debt by over $11 trillion dollars under this democratic President in order to bailout the financial industry that took the country to its knees and maintain the status quo with a regressive tax policy that continues to dole out of corporate welfare by the billions.
You want more of the same ? The party is actually going after Sanders for criticizing this ?
Good luck with your candidate
mmonk
(52,589 posts)But I live in reality at least considering where I've been and where I am now.
DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)Are making a major mistake thinking Hillary would be better for Black people. Anybody who seriously believes that isn't living in reality & may not genuinely understand what's at stake.
amborin
(16,631 posts)New Census Data Show No Progress in Closing Stubborn Racial Income Gaps
Measured incomes .......declined for African-American (-$497, 1.4 percent) and non-Hispanic white households (-$1,048, 1.7 percent).
As a result, no progress was made in closing the black-white income gap between 2013 and 2014the median black household has just 59 cents for every dollar of white median household income.
The Hispanic-white income gap narrowed from 66 to 71 cents on the dollar.
Weak income growth between 2013 and 2014 also leaves real median household incomes for all groups well below their 2007 levels.
Between 2007 and 2014, median household incomes declined by 10.5 percent (-$4,137) for African Americans, 0.7 percent (-$294) for Latinos, 7.2 percent (-$4,662) for whites, and 8.8 percent (-$7,158) for Asians.
Asian households continue to have the highest median income in spite of large income losses in the wake of the recession.
http://www.epi.org/blog/new-census-data-show-no-progress-in-closing-stubborn-racial-income-gaps/
LexVegas
(6,071 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)So hard to choose....not.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Maybe you should turn that into a campaign message .
This reminds of the Dennis Moore skit in
Monty Python, :Rob from the poor and give to the rich."