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So now, HRC won't release her paid speeches until EVERY candidate does? (Original Post) Ken Burch Feb 2016 OP
when everyone everywhere everytime releases everything ever said will the sanders "crowd" be happy? msongs Feb 2016 #1
We're talking about paid speeches to the 1%...not the idea of giving a speech. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #5
How very Fox News of you...awesome. nt pkdu Feb 2016 #8
Uh, no. Fox News is fine with HRC putting the rich first. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #19
She usually does gain... TipTok Feb 2016 #45
There usually seems to be a lot of hocus pocus surrounding the Clintons. I really RKP5637 Feb 2016 #56
Thats what she said earlier too. When everyone who has made them does. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #2
Because she likes to follow? nt artislife Feb 2016 #3
I'll do it-- but you have to go first! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #6
She is running the worst campaign ever. I no longer know anyone that supports her. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #7
You need to get out more... pkdu Feb 2016 #9
I love your definition of "getting out more." JackRiddler Feb 2016 #10
Getting out was in reference to "I dont know anyone supporting Hillary" comment , but I think you pkdu Feb 2016 #14
There has been 1 primary and 1 caucus so far. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #41
I get out plenty. And I don't see any Hillary supporters on the streets. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #12
Yep , maybe they are all at home answering their phones to Pollsters? pkdu Feb 2016 #15
Those polls are wrong. I also don't know a single person that has answered a poll in CA. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #16
She's only eleven points up in CA with months before that primary even happens. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #24
She will lose CA Helen Borg Feb 2016 #30
Probably not. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #42
Righto... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #44
To be honest, JackRiddler Feb 2016 #55
I know people who will vote for her... TipTok Feb 2016 #47
She thinks she can manage without people artislife Feb 2016 #11
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #20
The transcripts are a red herring to whitewash taking $20,000,000+ kristopher Feb 2016 #50
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Frankly, it looks as if she thinks she can manage without people, period. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #23
Yeah, right now. But when that criminal indictment that's in the works comes, PatrickforO Feb 2016 #26
You're giving away the playbook! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #31
Who cares? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #17
Anybody who doesn't want corporations to run life. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #18
Wow. You have so little on her you have to troll the perfectly legal speeches. aquart Feb 2016 #21
Damn little, most likely. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #22
A couple of thousand which he donated to charity. Kentonio Feb 2016 #34
well, now that Bernie released the transcript of his $500.00 speech noiretextatique Feb 2016 #25
The only people ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #27
I proudly stand with Nance Greggs v2.0.08, that lady was a sharp judge of character Fumesucker Feb 2016 #28
Me2. nt Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #33
best argument to release the transcripts yet! noiretextatique Feb 2016 #32
Exactly. Hundreds of threads here saying the same thing. I asked what it was livetohike Feb 2016 #39
Our county Mosquito Control Officer just released his. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #29
her original Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #35
That was her stance all along, imo. She knew none of them would. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #36
sanders did eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #37
Oh sorry .... yes. She knew that he would have no problem with his, imo. polly7 Feb 2016 #38
jeb bush said he would noiretextatique Feb 2016 #40
She has no intention of releasing her fawning speeches to all those who've given her millions. polly7 Feb 2016 #57
The Big Hairpiece... JackRiddler Feb 2016 #43
You have to surmise there is something devastating in those speeches or they'd already be out. Vinca Feb 2016 #46
Or complain jane Feb 2016 #49
We already have reports from attendees at the Hillary speeches and it's pretty obvious why Vinca Feb 2016 #53
i read that Clinton insisted on having all of her speeches transcribed noiretextatique Feb 2016 #60
Is that so far-fetched? complain jane Feb 2016 #48
She said this a few weeks ago--All need to release paid speeches. No double standard should be riversedge Feb 2016 #51
I smell the smell Kilgore Feb 2016 #52
Bernie, Bernie, Bernie, When are you going to release your paid speeches? beedle Feb 2016 #54
This is how you manage elections in the age of modern instant videos. gordianot Feb 2016 #58
Yes. She's a leader. Dr. Strange Feb 2016 #59
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. We're talking about paid speeches to the 1%...not the idea of giving a speech.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:48 AM
Feb 2016

If there's nothing to hide, she has no reason not to release the texts.

She never gains anything from the stonewalling thing.

In every case, if she'd just released what she was asked for on the first day, she'd have put the whole thing to rest on the first day.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
19. Uh, no. Fox News is fine with HRC putting the rich first.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:25 AM
Feb 2016

And Fox and the right WANT HRC to be our nominee.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
45. She usually does gain...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:41 AM
Feb 2016

The Clinton family MO has been to batten down the hatches, plug the leaks and wait for the storm to pass...

It usually works too...

By default the close off information instead of putting it out

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
56. There usually seems to be a lot of hocus pocus surrounding the Clintons. I really
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:32 AM
Feb 2016

supported HRC at one time, but have later switched to Bernie. When she speaks, I feel there is an informational wall between her and me. I don't get that at all with Bernie. And for other reasons I like Bernie. Bottom line though, I want a democrat in the WH 2016, so I'll of course vote for the nominee.

I agree with you, that it would be far better to just put out information and be done with it. Holding back information, playing a game, generates mistrust IMO. It makes it appear one has something to hide. Relative to the 1% speeches, I can see why there would be a reluctance to release those. They likely do not serve in the best interest of saying, I'm really with the middle class and poor and fighting the 1%.

Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
9. You need to get out more...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:00 AM
Feb 2016
 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
10. I love your definition of "getting out more."
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:04 AM
Feb 2016

"Check out the 538 blog!"

Never mind, I'll check out the news reports from Nevada on Saturday!

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
14. Getting out was in reference to "I dont know anyone supporting Hillary" comment , but I think you
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:09 AM
Feb 2016

knew that already.

Its not just NV , its the next 14 states inc. Super Tuesday.

Bernie supporters are already claiming another "moral victory " if its not a landslide...how many can you claim and still keep going with a straight face?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
41. There has been 1 primary and 1 caucus so far.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:52 AM
Feb 2016

All I see is HRC repeaters claiming about 14 victories, moral or otherwise, that have not happened, on the basis of polling that is extremely unreliable by the nature of primaries and caucuses, where voting bases are small and motivation and turnout are everything. Counting your chickens!

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
12. I get out plenty. And I don't see any Hillary supporters on the streets.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:08 AM
Feb 2016

Maybe, they are all hiding out.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
16. Those polls are wrong. I also don't know a single person that has answered a poll in CA.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:17 AM
Feb 2016

The pollsters really need to get out on the streets, telephone polling , no longer works.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
24. She's only eleven points up in CA with months before that primary even happens.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:08 AM
Feb 2016

At this stage, a 46%-35% lead in Cali isn't anything to crow about.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
55. To be honest,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:13 AM
Feb 2016

I'll just be happy if enough of what's coming up through March 1 is split to keep Sanders viable, after which things favor him much more.

I'd be thrilled to see enormous turnouts in all primaries, of course - that can only go well.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
47. I know people who will vote for her...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:43 AM
Feb 2016

I don't know anyone who is excited about it...

They intend to hold their nose and the Clinton campaign is counting on that with no alternatives.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
11. She thinks she can manage without people
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:08 AM
Feb 2016

who value transparency.

The reason no one on the Republican side asks their candidates for their transcripts of speeches to the one percent is because they believe the one percent will save them They want their noblemen's protection.

On the Left, we worry why they would pay such high fees to someone who is watching them, admonishing them, telling them to cut it out---it pains me to have to type what I perceive as lies---. We want to be sure we have someone to protect us from the nobility and we want to hear it and to see it.

Is it possible that the transcripts may reveal that she isn't fighting for the peons?

Response to artislife (Reply #11)

Response to kristopher (Reply #50)

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
26. Yeah, right now. But when that criminal indictment that's in the works comes,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:35 AM
Feb 2016

all the kitchen appliances in the world won't do her a bit of good, nor us if she's already our nominee.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
18. Anybody who doesn't want corporations to run life.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:23 AM
Feb 2016

And really, anybody who truly wants to defeat racism(which can't be done WITHOUT challenging corporate control of politics and life).

aquart

(69,014 posts)
21. Wow. You have so little on her you have to troll the perfectly legal speeches.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:01 AM
Feb 2016

I guess saying Rah! Rah! Rah! to the bonus bros of Goldman Sachs for a ton of money is a huge crime.

How much did Bernie get for his speech?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
25. well, now that Bernie released the transcript of his $500.00 speech
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:31 AM
Feb 2016

time for clinton to release the transcript of her $675,000.00 speech. btw, bernie donated the $500.00 to charity. time to ante-up, hillary.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
27. The only people ...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:07 AM
Feb 2016

... who want access to those transcripts are Bernie supporters hoping to find a "47%er moment" to use against HRC. No one else cares.

If BS supporters thought Bernie could win the nomination on his own merits, they wouldn't be so desperate to unearth a "gotcha" moment they are hoping is buried in an HRC speech transcript.

It's too bad Bernie can't win on his own positives, but is reduced to relying on some slim hope that some devastating negative about his opponent will surface any minute now and catapult him to victory.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
32. best argument to release the transcripts yet!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:08 AM
Feb 2016

If there is no "gotcha" in the transcripts, what's the problem?

“Let me say this, I am happy to release anything I have when everybody else the same because every other candidate in this race has given speeches to private groups, including Senator Sanders.” - Hillary Clinton

Bernie has already done so.

livetohike

(22,147 posts)
39. Exactly. Hundreds of threads here saying the same thing. I asked what it was
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:37 AM
Feb 2016

they hoped to find and got crickets.

Sanders* sent the memo and his trolls are out there starting numerous posts every day "release the transcripts".





Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
29. Our county Mosquito Control Officer just released his.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:11 AM
Feb 2016

But it was only to one banker in a bar, and most of it was garbled. They were both pretty drunk. But he was paid a chili dog and a Bud Light.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
38. Oh sorry .... yes. She knew that he would have no problem with his, imo.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:36 AM
Feb 2016

But that probably all the rest wouldn't even consider it. Playing games.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
40. jeb bush said he would
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:41 AM
Feb 2016

and why wouldn't the others? they say horrid, racist, sexist, homophobic, crazy shit in public. i think she opened a can of worms.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
57. She has no intention of releasing her fawning speeches to all those who've given her millions.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

What the GOP candidates say is meaningless with regard to her even looking into it. They're just a good excuse for her to not do something she can't without revealing how she's bought and paid for. She thinks people are stupid, imo.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
43. The Big Hairpiece...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:56 AM
Feb 2016

all these guys have no doubt given speeches we never heard of... how will we even know they've released all transcripts? This excuse will always stand.

complain jane

(4,302 posts)
49. Or
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:52 AM
Feb 2016

there's something devastating in others' speeches, or this would have been over and done with already, no?

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
53. We already have reports from attendees at the Hillary speeches and it's pretty obvious why
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:05 AM
Feb 2016

she's keeping those suckers under lock and key. How do you think the American people will feel when they learn she assured Wall Street banksters that we all caused the problem and we'll have to work together to get out of it? Flash back to 2008 and the bailout. Wall Street flooded with gigantic piles of taxpayer dollars . . . and they gave bonuses to the same people who caused the meltdown. If I had been Hillary and I thought I might run for office again, I wouldn't have given the speeches. Of course, it's hard to turn down nearly a quarter of a million dollars for a speech. I get that. But once you have the "Goldman handcuffs" on, it's hard to take them off. The speeches will come out eventually. Either now or in the general election. She ought to put them out, weather the storm, and get it over with.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
60. i read that Clinton insisted on having all of her speeches transcribed
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016

so, i would hope there is no gotcha. if there is, that would not help her with her trustworthy problem.

riversedge

(70,245 posts)
51. She said this a few weeks ago--All need to release paid speeches. No double standard should be
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:03 AM
Feb 2016

set for just her.

Why do you act so surprised??

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
58. This is how you manage elections in the age of modern instant videos.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

Much like a waiter who derails a candidate with his cell phone or bystander documenting a police confrontation with a video personal media counts. Even erasing emails from your server does not work when you have nothing to fear from the truth. Maybe in the interest of transparency Politicians should join law enforcement with body cameras. Political candidates involved in secret negotiations are not trustworthy and do not have the excuse of office. At least the Republican clown car openly displays who owns them. Those who own Hillary's speeches are not really helping her and Hillary is not helping herself. My level of political trust as a life long Democrat is at an all time low.

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