2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo now, HRC won't release her paid speeches until EVERY candidate does?
Until Jeb does?
Until Rubio does?
Until Cruz does?
Until Dr. Ben does?
Until Ohio Bob does?
Until The Big Hairpiece does?
THAT'S her criteria now?
msongs
(67,420 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If there's nothing to hide, she has no reason not to release the texts.
She never gains anything from the stonewalling thing.
In every case, if she'd just released what she was asked for on the first day, she'd have put the whole thing to rest on the first day.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And Fox and the right WANT HRC to be our nominee.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)The Clinton family MO has been to batten down the hatches, plug the leaks and wait for the storm to pass...
It usually works too...
By default the close off information instead of putting it out
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)supported HRC at one time, but have later switched to Bernie. When she speaks, I feel there is an informational wall between her and me. I don't get that at all with Bernie. And for other reasons I like Bernie. Bottom line though, I want a democrat in the WH 2016, so I'll of course vote for the nominee.
I agree with you, that it would be far better to just put out information and be done with it. Holding back information, playing a game, generates mistrust IMO. It makes it appear one has something to hide. Relative to the 1% speeches, I can see why there would be a reluctance to release those. They likely do not serve in the best interest of saying, I'm really with the middle class and poor and fighting the 1%.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)And you! And you! And you, too!
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Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)check out 538 politics blog...Hillary has 99% chnage of willing most of the next 14 or more Caucuses/Primaries
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/nevada-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/south-carolina-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/arkansas-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/georgia-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/massachusetts-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/oklahoma-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/tennessee-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/texas-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/virginia-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/michigan-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/florida-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/north-carolina-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/ohio-democratic/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/wisconsin-democratic/
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)"Check out the 538 blog!"
Never mind, I'll check out the news reports from Nevada on Saturday!
pkdu
(3,977 posts)knew that already.
Its not just NV , its the next 14 states inc. Super Tuesday.
Bernie supporters are already claiming another "moral victory " if its not a landslide...how many can you claim and still keep going with a straight face?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)All I see is HRC repeaters claiming about 14 victories, moral or otherwise, that have not happened, on the basis of polling that is extremely unreliable by the nature of primaries and caucuses, where voting bases are small and motivation and turnout are everything. Counting your chickens!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Maybe, they are all hiding out.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)The pollsters really need to get out on the streets, telephone polling , no longer works.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)At this stage, a 46%-35% lead in Cali isn't anything to crow about.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)... 😊
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Suspended campaigns don't really "lose."
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Hopefully, we won't have a nail biter that goes all the way to CA!
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I'll just be happy if enough of what's coming up through March 1 is split to keep Sanders viable, after which things favor him much more.
I'd be thrilled to see enormous turnouts in all primaries, of course - that can only go well.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I don't know anyone who is excited about it...
They intend to hold their nose and the Clinton campaign is counting on that with no alternatives.
artislife
(9,497 posts)who value transparency.
The reason no one on the Republican side asks their candidates for their transcripts of speeches to the one percent is because they believe the one percent will save them They want their noblemen's protection.
On the Left, we worry why they would pay such high fees to someone who is watching them, admonishing them, telling them to cut it out---it pains me to have to type what I perceive as lies---. We want to be sure we have someone to protect us from the nobility and we want to hear it and to see it.
Is it possible that the transcripts may reveal that she isn't fighting for the peons?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Response to artislife (Reply #11)
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kristopher
(29,798 posts)Response to kristopher (Reply #50)
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Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)all the kitchen appliances in the world won't do her a bit of good, nor us if she's already our nominee.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And really, anybody who truly wants to defeat racism(which can't be done WITHOUT challenging corporate control of politics and life).
aquart
(69,014 posts)I guess saying Rah! Rah! Rah! to the bonus bros of Goldman Sachs for a ton of money is a huge crime.
How much did Bernie get for his speech?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He never says things Goldman Sachs wants to hear over caviar.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Seeing the difference yet?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)time for clinton to release the transcript of her $675,000.00 speech. btw, bernie donated the $500.00 to charity. time to ante-up, hillary.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... who want access to those transcripts are Bernie supporters hoping to find a "47%er moment" to use against HRC. No one else cares.
If BS supporters thought Bernie could win the nomination on his own merits, they wouldn't be so desperate to unearth a "gotcha" moment they are hoping is buried in an HRC speech transcript.
It's too bad Bernie can't win on his own positives, but is reduced to relying on some slim hope that some devastating negative about his opponent will surface any minute now and catapult him to victory.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)If there is no "gotcha" in the transcripts, what's the problem?
Let me say this, I am happy to release anything I have when everybody else the same because every other candidate in this race has given speeches to private groups, including Senator Sanders. - Hillary Clinton
Bernie has already done so.
livetohike
(22,147 posts)they hoped to find and got crickets.
Sanders* sent the memo and his trolls are out there starting numerous posts every day "release the transcripts".
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)But it was only to one banker in a bar, and most of it was garbled. They were both pretty drunk. But he was paid a chili dog and a Bud Light.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)statement, was every paid speech by anybody ever
polly7
(20,582 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)But that probably all the rest wouldn't even consider it. Playing games.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and why wouldn't the others? they say horrid, racist, sexist, homophobic, crazy shit in public. i think she opened a can of worms.
polly7
(20,582 posts)What the GOP candidates say is meaningless with regard to her even looking into it. They're just a good excuse for her to not do something she can't without revealing how she's bought and paid for. She thinks people are stupid, imo.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)all these guys have no doubt given speeches we never heard of... how will we even know they've released all transcripts? This excuse will always stand.
Vinca
(50,279 posts)there's something devastating in others' speeches, or this would have been over and done with already, no?
Vinca
(50,279 posts)she's keeping those suckers under lock and key. How do you think the American people will feel when they learn she assured Wall Street banksters that we all caused the problem and we'll have to work together to get out of it? Flash back to 2008 and the bailout. Wall Street flooded with gigantic piles of taxpayer dollars . . . and they gave bonuses to the same people who caused the meltdown. If I had been Hillary and I thought I might run for office again, I wouldn't have given the speeches. Of course, it's hard to turn down nearly a quarter of a million dollars for a speech. I get that. But once you have the "Goldman handcuffs" on, it's hard to take them off. The speeches will come out eventually. Either now or in the general election. She ought to put them out, weather the storm, and get it over with.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)so, i would hope there is no gotcha. if there is, that would not help her with her trustworthy problem.
complain jane
(4,302 posts)I think it's common sense, no?
riversedge
(70,245 posts)set for just her.
Why do you act so surprised??
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Of a desperate candidate.
beedle
(1,235 posts)Time to start 'trying to tell the truth' again Hillary
gordianot
(15,242 posts)Much like a waiter who derails a candidate with his cell phone or bystander documenting a police confrontation with a video personal media counts. Even erasing emails from your server does not work when you have nothing to fear from the truth. Maybe in the interest of transparency Politicians should join law enforcement with body cameras. Political candidates involved in secret negotiations are not trustworthy and do not have the excuse of office. At least the Republican clown car openly displays who owns them. Those who own Hillary's speeches are not really helping her and Hillary is not helping herself. My level of political trust as a life long Democrat is at an all time low.