TOWN HALL THREAD PART 2 - HILLARY is UP. Please be kind to each other...

[bettyellen]

It is on MSNBC and Telemundo and focusing on issues regarding the Latino community.

or here

http://www.livenewschat.eu/politics/

or audio only here;

http://www.tytnetwork.com/live/ to the first thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511269078

[SheenaR]

1. Audience is a joke

Chuck Todd better be as aggressive as he was before

[Duckhunter935]

4. Indeed so

[Cheese Sandwich]

6. The audience is stacked, again

[uhnope]

78. it's rigged. I can't believe how obvious MSNBC is letting that be

[Le Taz Hot]

7. I can't listen to her.

Is Toad going easy on her. Toad: "Secretary Clinton, could you tell us how much your love your country and all the people in it?"

[Gregorian]

13. I wonder if the fillibuster question was to make her appear more progressive.

If so it didn't work.

[demosocialist]

9. weird

That was a strange opening in a state polling at as a dead heat... that was weird

[brooklynite]

2. Discussion of Supreme Court nominations

Clinton voted against Alito and Roberts, but respected the process.

[elleng]

26. Glad she voted against them.

Roberts conned me that time. Alito is my least favorite.

[karynnj]

108. I wish she would have pointed out that only Alito was filbustered

Roberts and Miers (?) were not filbustered by the Democrats. Alito was very extreme on many issues. Had the filbuster. which both Obama and Clinton did not lead on, succeeded, Bush would have nominated someone else. It is not the same as saying NO ONE will be confirmed.

[Duckhunter935]

3. you can now see stacked audience

Standing ovation. Let's see how many tough questions, lol

[elleng]

5. Thought so too.

[restorefreedom]

8. yeah, no bias there at all....

[Jenny_92808]

236. Exactly!

[deathrind]

276. Yep...

Talk about bias... OMG.

[bettyellen]

10. they are making her look silly with this "magic wand" thing.

[SheenaR]

12. She is avoiding the question

[bettyellen]

17. I think they both need to be clearer on expectations- with current makeup of 1/3 the govt...

[noretreatnosurrender]

24. Yes she was

She never answered it and now she's saying Sanders attacked Obama.

[nolabear]

11. I'm excited to see her. I like these forums that give people more time to answer.

[bettyellen]

14. seems like the mods are giving her the exact same questions... fair enough

[Duckhunter935]

16. but will also stacked audience

Let's see what Bernie volunteer they just happen to pick.

[lasttrip]

18. Thanks for that. I missed the start.

[nolabear]

23. NOOOOO! It can't be!

[frylock]

183. She also listened in on Bernie's segment..

so if the questions are the same, she had time to craft an answer.

[bettyellen]

195. I guess Bernie should choose to go last next time he wins the toss? Ya live and learn.

[SusanCalvin]

235. I guess, but,

Letting the second listen to the first, when the format gives the first no chance to respond, is just plain WRONG. (If that is in fact what happened.)

[frylock]

237. I'd prefer that each candidate be in an iso booth.

[bettyellen]

244. It's an interesting idea. I bet viewership went down after Bernie's hour. I don't see a lot of

people watching all two hours of it. Except masochists like us.

[DesertRat]

15. I like this type of format too

[Skwmom]

19. DWS alluded to doing non debate style gatherings long before the dog and pony shows started.

Now we know why.

[Gregorian]

20. Vague answer to the terrorist question.

[JudyM]

33. Yeah. She basically said someone needs to figure it out.

[Skwmom]

21. So Diaz is letting her reply to Sanders? What is this a one sided debate? What bullshit.

[Punkingal]

27. Pure bullshit.

[Avalux]

35. There's no point in getting upset about it.

I think people are astute enough to see what's going on here, it's way over the top; TOO staged. Bernie shone in spite of the mods and the audience.

It's all good.

[lasttrip]

49. +1

[restorefreedom]

43. + 10000 nt

[nc4bo]

69. Well, I think it's MORE important that she had opportunity to LISTEN to Sanders' answers.

Now THAT's what I call some real hot bullshit.

Silly me actually thought that each candidate would be blind to the other candidate's answers.

[SusanCalvin]

94. So is it clear she heard Bernie's segment?

That's wrong.

[nc4bo]

125. She specifically mentioned a question posed by a Hispanic woman to Sen. Sanders. Then proceeded to

Answer the question HER way.

She's a big bullshitter and a fraud as is MSNBC and TELEMUNDO

[SusanCalvin]

157. THAT IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG. nt

[TCJ70]

129. Yeah, she called back to a question that Bernie was asked...

...and of course tried to one up him on it. It's a sham.

[azmom]

22. That's a lot of words but no answer to the question.

[bkkyosemite]

25. Her first question was not the same as Bernie's first question.

Todd was aggressive with his question to Bernie and as if to apologize to HRC. The audience gave a screaming standing ovation (rigged).

[lasttrip]

38. Thanks I missed the start

[bettyellen]

28. I just missed what she got the boos for. Damned cat!

[Skwmom]

29. This is so staged. What in the hell kind of Democracy is this. n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

56. This is approaching North Korean levels of applause

[one_voice]

30. Stacked, you say?

booooooo....boooooo....booooo

I guess I'm the only one that hears that.

[brooklynite]

31. Hey! Clinton got booed!

I thought this was a stacked audience. Was I misled?

[Skwmom]

37. Much smaller crowd there for Sanders in a very close race. n/t

[Gregorian]

32. She just...getting booed now...attacked Bernie for attacking Obama, but it failed

Bernie had just explained his position on that, and she must not have heard him.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

72. I missed that

[frylock]

227. May have been during a fit of coughing.

Something's going around. I've been trying to hack up a lung for a couple days now.

[JonLeibowitz]

279. Someone should ask her to hack up her speeches next time. n/t

[frylock]

280. Hey-ooooo

cough-cough-gasp-wheeze-cough

[JonLeibowitz]

283. I have full-throated confidence in her never coughing them up.

full-throated.



Sometimes i crack meself up.

[corkhead]

34. Ha Booooooo!

[bkkyosemite]

36. It's true it's true it's true..unbelievable and vindictive.

The dem party was A okay with his running as a dem. I want to throw up excuse me.

Edit: There she goes, she had the opportunity to hear Bernie's questions. She should have been isolated in a Green Room. She is attacking him tonight. Attack Attack Attack. She does not look Presidential.

[Skwmom]

40. The Dem Party is okay with using his honesty and integrity to cover up for the corruption.

[Punkingal]

42. All she is doing is criticizing Bernie.

[SusanCalvin]

66. Yep.

I had a visceral reaction to that. I wasn't going to vote for her in the primary anyway, but my reaction is now more negative than it was before. I'll vote for her in the general if I have to, but I wouldn't want to "have a beer" with her. And I wouldn't turn my back on her.

[cannabis_flower]

252. I already voted for Sanders

early voting started in Texas today.

[SusanCalvin]

259. Great!

We have always voted on election day, in part because I don't trust our voting machines to hang on to my vote. Actually, I don't trust them even to count it....

[SusanCalvin]

87. If she was able to hear Bernie's segment,

Then this whole affair just turned into an unfunny joke.

[Purveyor]

39. Oh my. She is up against Trump on CNN... eom

[bettyellen]

63. ??

[Purveyor]

194. Trump is doing a forum w Cooper as I type. nt

[bettyellen]

197. Oh. I just CAN'T!! LOL. Better you than me, my friend.

[SheenaR]

41. That will be played often

lol she just shouted at the people booing. Turning it off. She's a joke. We are absolutely screwed if she is in the GE

[Gregorian]

46. That wasn't pretty.

[SheenaR]

50. As a woman

I am repulsed by her. She would be the worst GE candidate in my lifetime

[Duckhunter935]

52. that was ugly

You shut up, it was true

[restorefreedom]

53. me too. gonna check out netflix

night all!

[Duckhunter935]

45. fuck your question, no answer

Let me confront Bernie

[Skwmom]

47. Why doesn't someone ask Hillary how the most polarizing figure in history will get anything passed.

[nolabear]

48. I went back and looked at the Bernie thread. Hillary supporters did not dog pile with outrage.

[Skwmom]

60. We are tired of these dog and pony shows which are nothing but stagecraft. n/t

[bkkyosemite]

65. Hillary is acting far different than Bernie and not Presidential at all.

[bettyellen]

71. I'm not complaining unless they are unkind to her supporters.

[JudyM]

75. Bernie didn't dog pile Hillary.

[TCJ70]

51. I missed the first part of Bernie's portion...

...but did Hillary come up this often in his answers?

[bettyellen]

59. most answers were pivots to part of stump speeches.

[SusanCalvin]

114. Exactly.

I would have wished he had answered some questions more directly, much as I like his stump speeches.

[elleng]

74. No.

Not at all (as I recall.)

[bettyellen]

54. Why are they both louder tonight?

[Gregorian]

55. JUST ELECT ME ALREADY!

[Duckhunter935]

61. she never expected a fight

Lol

[Skwmom]

57. I'm turning this off.

[brooklynite]

70. You heard the part that agreed with you; why listen to a different point of view?

[bkkyosemite]

81. This is attacking this is not a point of view.

It's obvious that she had decided to come out blazing with attacks on Bernie then settle down. It was set up that way. It is obvious to me.

[uhnope]

186. because it's not about POVs but about behavior & decency. this is the first time I turned her off.

She actually reminds me of a GOP politician mentioning Benghazi when she keeps bringing up the obvious falsehood that Sanders was against Obama. He's rendered that point moot with his answers but she keeps bringing it up because she hopes it will smear him, because her supporters will mindlessly clap every time she does, and because she hopes it will keep black voters from going over to Sanders. It's just low-level politics as usual and I've seen enough of her doing it and can't take no more. I've watched all the debates & town halls and this is the first time I turned her off.

[nc4bo]

92. I shoulda took my butt to bed but nooooooooo, I up watching this craptasick fake debate.

One candidate gets to watch the question and answers of the other candidate.

[demosocialist]

58. WTF... is this

first three questions were from Clinton supporters... and now she is answering Sanders questions...

[dchill]

98. She says, "I won't make promises I can't keep,"

then she proceeds to make promises she has no intention of keeping.

[beedle]

62. Why did she want to deny license to undocument immigrants again? n/t

[Duckhunter935]

67. well, she never answered that

She had to get her Bernie attack in

[elleng]

106. Because 'it used to be state by state.'

Still is.

Maryland PERMITS undocumenteds to have driver licenses. Thank you, Governor O'Malley. https://votesmart.org/bill/16413/43330/amends-drivers-license-requirements-for-undocumented-individuals#.VsaLsX0rLEY

[SheenaR]

64. I'm done with her. Done.

[napi21]

68. Ya know, I think she's doing just fine. She's attacking Bernie's positions because he's her

opposition now. I'm not so sure the audience is stacked either. Sounds pretty close on the cheers for Bernie as it does for her.

I'm a Bernie supporter but in a forum like this, they both deserve their time.

I think Bernie did a great job. Lets see how Hillary does before damning either one.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

82. If a candidate is focused attacking the other it means they are worried that they are going to lose

[bettyellen]

86. thank you for being open minded and kind. two hallmarks of the Dem voter. *hat tip*

[SusanCalvin]

138. Calling Bernie not a Democrat was over the line.

The party allowed him to run as a Democrat. End of story. So they didn't really expect it to be any contest. Too bad.

[beedle]

73. Her plan calls for Repubs seeing the error of their ways?

[Duckhunter935]

76. BUSTA

[Juicy_Bellows]

84. What in the hell was that?! Nt.

[flamingdem]

77. Why doesn't Hillary have to stand up like Bernie? nt

[napi21]

95. She IS standng. nt

[SheenaR]

79. She was the first to confront Trump?

Called him Busta?

[Avalux]

83. Listen here BUSTA!!

[stevenleser]

134. No, that's "Basta" which means "Enough" in Spanish. nt

[Avalux]

141. That makes it even funnier because it came off like an insult to Trump.

[stevenleser]

143. It IS an insult. "Basta" used this way means "Enough out of you, jerk". nt

[Avalux]

153. Yes I know. And it's not Spanish, it's Italian. n/t

[stevenleser]

158. Yes it is Spanish. And it is Italian also. nt

[bettyellen]

270. It is also Spanish.

[stevenleser]

152. It's also a clear message to Latinos that she is repudiating Trump for his anti-immigration

positions.

[Avalux]

156. It's pandering to make up for saying she'd send children back. n/t

[stevenleser]

159. No, it's not. nt

[Avalux]

160. Sure it is. She's a liar, you even said so yourself. n/t

[stevenleser]

164. Nope, it's not. And see my sig line. nt

[stevenleser]

176. Latino Victory Fund didnt think so when they endorsed her

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/18/1487225/-Latino-Victory-Fund-Endorses-Hillary-Clinton-For-President-Today-In-Nevada

[stevenleser]

128. No, that's "Basta" which means "Enough" in Spanish. nt

[firebrand80]

80. Basta!!

[Duckhunter935]

85. she will not answer that question

[Avalux]

89. There's no way she will. I hope people get what she's doing. n/t

[SheenaR]

88. Do you regret sending children back?

I thank Harry Reid

???

[noretreatnosurrender]

90. She's not answering the question

No answer to question about sending a message. He has to ask twice. No answer again

[beedle]

91. Send kids back to send a message?

I'll ignore that question and pretend I never said this.

[Duckhunter935]

105. she has a few times

[Duckhunter935]

96. transcripts

I guess people really want to see them

[Cheese Sandwich]

97. she said cut it out

Come one guys cut it out

[Juicy_Bellows]

99. 25 mins until she got a tough question, but she got one.

[Avalux]

100. Now she's LYING. I can't take her bullshit about Wall Street. n/t

[noretreatnosurrender]

101. Facts

Just the facts M'am. She is lying again.

[beedle]

102. "I went to Wall St. to tell them they were wrecking the economy"

No transcripts? Never happened.

[TCJ70]

103. Did she just say Sanders...

...has also given speeches to Wall Street banks?

[noretreatnosurrender]

110. Yes she did

She's shameless.

[Duckhunter935]

111. yep

[dchill]

121. No, she's obfuscating again...

She's equating any speech Sanders made to any private group to groveling to the banksters.

[firebrand80]

123. She said "private organizations"

A little slight of hand on that one

[TCJ70]

136. If I missed the slight of hand...

...you know a ton of other people did as well. How shady.

[dchill]

151. You were supposed to.

In the future, expect obfuscation and triangulation, and then you'll hear what she's really saying.

[EndElectoral]

124. Desperate reaching on the Goldman transcript issue

[SusanCalvin]

173. The exact same desperate reaching.

She will never release them. Fair or not, it would sink her.

[Armstead]

104. No Hillary! Where were you in the 90's when the seeds fior the crash were being planted?

Bernie was saying more that "Cut it out."

[bettyellen]

107. This is a mixed bag of an audience.

[SamKnause]

109. She almost said, "You can take that to the bank".

[dchill]

131. Whoa.

[d_legendary1]

112. I've turned off my T.V.

The questioning sucks, HRC keeps going off tangents and the moderators keep letting her get away with it, and no follow up questions other than the ones that help her (Clinton: I'm gonna work on immigration reform... Balart: You mean in your first 100 days? Clinton: Uhhh....Yeah. Yeah!!!!).

This sucks. I'll watch the rest tomorrow.

[glaeken777]

132. Balart lobbed that right over the plate

Bernie didn't (and couldn't realistically) give an exact date for winning on that issue.

Hillary's initial answer also left that element open.

Then in comes Balart with the coach-question. "First 100 days?"

Wow. Just... wow. Climb all the way in that tank, Jose.

[SheenaR]

113. That questioner is now my hero

[d_legendary1]

130. Absolutely!

Every other candidate? Triangulate much?

[Kittycat]

154. +1 n/t

[nolabear]

115. It's always interesting to compare those who are building on experience with those who aren't.

[lasttrip]

116. Thanks for the threads tonight bettyellen

Peace.
LT

[bettyellen]

120. Peace! And thanks for being here!

[EndElectoral]

117. She's getting crushed by guy's questions on gay marriage flip flops and Goldman Sachs transcripts

[JudyM]

126. She responded to the gay marriage part which was only the context, not the actual question,

which was SHOW ME THE MONEY (transcripts)

[beedle]

145. Wow, did she ever ... I (almost) felt sorry for her.

but the dishonesty was just too obvious

If that part of the town hall doesn't get played on the various reviews, then we know the fix is in.

[Punkingal]

118. She said Sanders has given speeches, too.

[corkhead]

119. Finger wagging is not very telegenic

She's even coopting Bernie's helicopter hands.
Turning this shit off

[UglyGreed]

122. Dropping a lot of names

oh that Hillary!!!!

[Avalux]

133. She's so popular and likable!

[UglyGreed]

140. You noticed that too

huh????

[dchill]

144. You mean poppable and liable!

[Duckhunter935]

135. yep, shows how stacked they made it

[UglyGreed]

142. Yep stacked to the gills

[bettyellen]

127. It's interesting to see the audience give follow up comments.

[bettyellen]

137. Q on Social Security- needs a "21 century update" what is your plan? H- No privatizing it!

[Matariki]

139. Link to the first thread - Part 1?

Missed the town hall w/ Bernie.

[bettyellen]

146. here you are! Will add to the OP- thanks!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511269078

[Matariki]

167. merci!

I was confused by the 'Hillary will be up in a minute' subject line

[demosocialist]

147. weeeellllll bedtime...

Thank you Bettyellen for the thread

[bettyellen]

148. thank you for being here- and being kind!

[cascadiance]

149. For the THIRD time she said she'd go after Countrywide and other actors and not just banks!

Hillary, how will you do that without going after BANK of America, who has owned Countrywide for a number of years now!!!

[Duckhunter935]

150. she did not poll test the number

[bettyellen]

155. Emphatic "No" to raising the retirement age. Outlining the needs of physical laborers.

[one_voice]

162. Great to hear that.

[dchill]

161. I keep hearing Spongebob Squarepants saying,

"It's opposite day!" (Followed by maniacal laugh.)

[Juicy_Bellows]

163. Thank you Vegas, we're Average Death Age!

[SusanCalvin]

165. If Hillary was in fact able to listen to Bernie's segment,

this whole thing just became less than pointless. I'd greatly appreciate anyone who could compile a list of proofs of this. If true, I don't know what this is, but it's not journalism.

[Punkingal]

166. She clearly did...she mentioned the woman whose husband was deported.

[brooklynite]

168. I see...Bernie's answer were a complete surprise.

Hillary Clinton couldn't possibly have known how he'd answer a question.

I guess it's the inconsistency of Sanders' message.

[Duckhunter935]

175. say what?

[brooklynite]

185. Whether she heard his part of the forum or not is irrelevant...

...she knows what his policy positions and standard messages are...just as he knows hers.

[SusanCalvin]

198. It is NOT irrelevant.

If the host network allowed her to listen, it was WRONG.

[SusanCalvin]

184. Well, it appears she referenced a specific question.

I hope someone asks MSNBC/Telemundo.

But thank you for noticing Bernie's consistency....! ;->

[bkkyosemite]

171. She mentioned the woman in the audience who addressed Bernie

regarding her husband being deported for 6 years. She heard what the questions were for Bernie and made no pause to show she did. Disgusting. Should have been in the Green Room and not have been able to hear his questioning.

[Duckhunter935]

172. of course she was

That is why she referenced a questioner of his.

[cherokeeprogressive]

199. It wouldn't surprise me, but it sure as hell would sicken me.

Dog and Pony Show, and nothing more.

[azmom]

269. Yep. She referenced a question that one

Of the audience members asked Bernie, and then proceeded to answer the question. WTF

[0rganism]

291. ya know, i don't think it mattered much

it's not like she doesn't know exactly what Sen. Sanders' positions are already, and it's not like he's going to change much.

even without watching his segment, someone as smart as HRC could have guessed approximately the kinds of questions he would receive, and known how he'd respond to any/all of them. hell, with the right makeup and some training in voice acting she probably could have come out there and done the whole thing pretending to be Sen. Sanders without having seen his half at all.

that's one reason i think the bit at the beginning, about Bernie winning the coin toss, is plausible. Sen. Sanders probably did want to go first, partly to inspire this kind of controversy and suspicion without having to do any attacking himself, but mostly to get the viewers earlier before they space out or switch over to Trump/CNN. meanwhile, he just goes out there and says what he would have said anyway. he wouldn't have benefited at all from going 2nd, because he wouldn't be tailoring his responses to rebut HRC's segment anyway -- that's not how he rolls.

[Duckhunter935]

169. here is a tough question

from one of your supporters

[Mike__M]

177. Why are you so wonderful? (n/t)

[stopbush]

170. Hillary is killing it. Forceful yet compassionate.

She's good in these situations. Bernie needs to work on coming up with answers that look at questions from a different angle. He says the exact same thing every time. He's geting boring. None of his money lines worked with this audience - they sat on their hands.

Yes - the audience is pro-Hillary. That's Las Vegas - big union town, lots of Hispanics, ie: Hillary's wheelhouse. Sanders supporters are simply denying the reality of the political lay of the land in LV. It isn't Sanders country. Not every place can be Sanders Country like NH.

[bkkyosemite]

182. Do not agree with your first paragraph..agree with your

first sentence of you second paragraph.

[Punkingal]

191. Unions would be for Bernie if they had any sense.

[stopbush]

201. Former Teamsters member here, supporting Hillary.

Gave Bernie a close look and was disappointed with his unrealistic plans on how to pay for his policies. I expect the "something for nothing" bullshit from Rs. I don't expect such Reaganesque pandering from Ds.

[frylock]

273. So is Bernie going to raise taxes, or just give away free stuff?

Think you guys could settle on one or the other?

[SusanCalvin]

209. Their MEMBERS, in large part, are. nt

[bettyellen]

267. He flubbed the answers regarding women. I just don't believe he is willing to make a commitment.

Both the litmus test including abortion and the question from the feminist were blown off. Little bummed about that.

[Voice for Peace]

277. Over and over

"The emperor has no clothes on! HEY! THE EMPEROR HAS-NO-CLOTHES!!"

This is why peope love him.

No longwinded highfalutin namedropping questionavoiding convoluted obfuscations..just the plain truth.

[stopbush]

278. Yawn. He's boring. We get it. What else have you got, Bernie?

[Voice for Peace]

282. Lol. He has a lot of people gonna vote for him.

Anyway, it's your own boredom, not Bernie, making you feel that way,
ie you yourself are the boredom generator.

[Merryland]

174. Interesting - a student who supports her asking about the "trust" issue

without anyone noting what a low rating she gets on this specific area. wow, that is bizarre.

[Duckhunter935]

181. and she did not answer it

[bettyellen]

190. I heard her reply, and thought it was good. She is smeared as "establishment" because she has been

around for a long time. She was well thought of in NYC as a senator, and reelected with a bigger won one they knew her.

[nolabear]

202. I think she's answering difficult questions and can't figure out how anyone thinks otherwise.

[bkkyosemite]

178. doing stuff yes you have.

[bettyellen]

179. the "trust deficit" ouch. she says it's a tie now, and she is focused on results and any reading

of her experience shows that. Arguing that her experience both hinders her image and helps her be more effective.

Her voice is cracking a bit, coughs.

[dchill]

180. This event must be being held at a zoo..

I've just seen another pander!

[Purveyor]

188. .

[firebrand80]

187. Barriers, Barriers everywhere nt

[EndElectoral]

189. Clinton- free comm. college and refinance school debt/Sanders -free public college, and debt releif

Take your pick. Clinton says her plan is better.

[bkkyosemite]

193. CA had free public universities.

[dchill]

196. Hmmm. One is sincere,

One is pandering.

[ucrdem]

192. Great point about Social Sec

[ucrdem]

200. Dumb-ass questioner gets an unintended pie in the face

[R B Garr]

249. Totally! He had such a regurgitated Bernie campaign question, LMAO!

You can tell how his "question" came right from the Bernie campaign stump speech. Like he cares! I'm so sick and tired of these PHONY talking points. You could see he really thought he got one off, but instead he got embarrassed.

[ucrdem]

255. And upChuck was beaming like a proud father.

Such a fool.

[LuvLoogie]

266. what was the question?

Been putting kids to bed and finishing dinner clean up. I popped onto this thread every now and then. Is the 60 Minute Hate over finally?

[ucrdem]

272. He asked about her corporate ties and whether she could fairly represent workers.

She said "all the unions are endorsing me" and got a round of applause. D-A then asked whether she supported $15/hour and she said yes and here's how and why. D-A last seen with this look on his face:

[Kittycat]

285. Since when do ALL unions endorse her. And

Is that endorsement by membership vote or board decision ?

[Duckhunter935]

203. now she supports 15, WTF

[bettyellen]

207. she did not say that. Let;s keep it real.

[Duckhunter935]

216. in answering his direction question, she said YES

[elleng]

231. She said a quick 'yes,'

and then went into the details, supports a Federal minimum > $12 now, states and locals to $15.

[Duckhunter935]

240. so she does for some

But screw the rest?

[elleng]

254. I wouldn't put it that way

(I've supported Martin O'Malley,) but rather, as she's done in the past, she recognizes regional issues exist, so won't jump to $15 for all, 'immediately' anyway.

[Duckhunter935]

262. either will Bernie

As he says all the time incremental till 15 in several years

[bettyellen]

261. Honestly- I don't think the minimum shoulld be the same in NY, NJ and Cali. Huge difference in

cost of living. Huge difference in wealth that is hiring the lower class support staff. It is more doable some places than others.

[bettyellen]

250. she went straight to the details of states vs Federal and said 12$ in that sentence. You posted

before she actually answered!

[bettyellen]

204. Living wage of 15$? Fed minimum to 12$ with states going higher with her support.

[EndElectoral]

217. Yeah, that's bully pulpit is going to work for workers in states with Repub. governors.

[lovemydog]

205. Thank you bettyellen!

[bettyellen]

211. thanks lovemydog- always lovely to see you here! <3 your dog too!

[ucrdem]

222. Why is Chuck MC-ing this thing

What a dope.

[bkkyosemite]

206. $12 BOOOOOO

I was making $15 an hour as a secretary in 1988 yea sure Hillary.

[Duckhunter935]

208. all of the unions endorsed her, WTF?

[SamKnause]

213. Exactly !!!

WTF !!!!

[beedle]

230. Establishment Union leaders --

rank and file are invisible and will no doubt have to work on caucus day.

[SusanCalvin]

223. Well, the honchos did...... nt

[Duckhunter935]

210. more name dropping of the stacked audience

[bkkyosemite]

214. AFL-CIO is remaining neutral.

[bkkyosemite]

221. Yea oh there she is oh there he is oh there is my friend oh oh oh

[Duckhunter935]

228. but the audience is not stacked?

[brooklynite]

241. I guess Bernie Sanders didn't have any supporters to invite?

Killer Mike wasn't available?

[beedle]

212. I'm for a $15 minimum wage, that's why I support a $12 minimum wage

[Duckhunter935]

220. lol

[Merryland]

224. since when is diplomacy about another country "deserving" a presidential visit?

[Juicy_Bellows]

215. Set it and forget it. Hillary Ronko Clinton.

[bettyellen]

226. let's try to "be excellent" and drop the silly name calling?

[nolabear]

218. I am unabashedly in favor of Hillary's support of women's rights. I'm sick of waiting.

And I don't want my children and grandchildren to be devalued the way we have always been.

[Lucinda]

225. +1

[bettyellen]

229. +yep and I SMH when people ask what she has done.

[JudyM]

248. Is it your impression that Bernie is not going to do just as much on that as she will?

[bettyellen]

253. It is my impression it is not a big enough priority for him.

[JudyM]

271. Asked another way... Do you feel that at the end of 4 years Hillary will have accomplished more

for women than Bernie will? In consideration also of congressional obstruction that will possibly be greater for her.

[bettyellen]

274. As a matter of fact, I do. Because it is obviously a big priority. I think Bernie is gun shy about

abortion, the litmus answer just avoided it completely. I think it's not something he has given much thought to. And that he think "raising all boats" is going to be enough. I like that he is finally talking about child care and maternity leave etc, but it all seems pretty new to him.

[JudyM]

281. He's been supporting full progressive causes for years. I agree that Hillary has had child welfare

In her portfolio for a long time but look at what she just said this week about compromising on abortion rights... I don't know if she genuinely cares about the plight of poor women as much as Bernie does. Maybe, but I just am mistrustful of her these days.

Thanks again for hosting us all tonight, BettyEllen, you done good!!

[bettyellen]

284. that's fair. I think a lot of my opinion is formed on how long time Sanders loving friends told me

that his strategy has always been to avoid "wedge issues" like the plague because then he'd be able to get a lot more conservative voters. and in the context of him up in Vermont, it didn't matter. but there is a certain dismissiveness in this approach, and I think we have both seen it here too- that women (and POC) are just being "used" by TPTB and their advocacy is disrespected (and sometimes out right trashed here) .
I think it sums up a lot of the problems people had when he started stumping and put up his website. We were invisible, and he's only started to really address us. He is still coming off noncommittally, they gave him plenty of chances to say our reproductive rights are important for a SC judge, but I have to wonder if he is afraid of saying it.

[JudyM]

287. It's expressly part of his platform, bettyellen, check it out:

"ONLY NOMINATE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WHO SUPPORT ROE V. WADE AND THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS OF WOMEN.
As president, Sen. Sanders will only nominate Supreme Court justices who understand that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land and recognize the rights of women to have access to family planning services."

"EXPAND AND PROTECT THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS OF WOMEN.
Sen. Sanders has consistently fought against Republican attacks on the fundamental rights of women to control their own bodies. As president, Sen. Sanders would expand, not cut, funding for Planned Parenthood, the Title X family planning program, and other initiatives that protect women’s health, access to contraception, and the availability of a safe and legal abortion."

https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-for-womens-rights/

Over the years he has earned a reputation that he's good to his word, which means something. Plus he's been a strong feminist in voting history, as even Gloria Steinem alluded to years ago, right? So he's got the platform and the history. He's not quite as polished at packaging his position sound bites across the board as others, I agree there. To your point, though, are you willing to consider that there may be a difference between how someone comes across and what their consistency in values, actions and voting represent they'll do?

[bettyellen]

288. That's interesting. Why do you think he has shied away from saying it on TV- twice? Odd that he

was asked directly about it and would not just say that. Very strange.

I looked at his website just a week or two after he announced, btw. And after that just once when I heard he had added stuff. This was not there then. Just so you know, I did check it out a few times. And have seen all but one debate and most of the forums as well.

[JudyM]

289. I don't know about his website, Hillary has continued to change hers a lot. I think they're both

doing a lot on the fly... figuratively and literally. I've heard Bernie talk like a genuine feminist and a genuine friend to the LGBT community for years. I am thoroughly confident in his earnestness and intention.

I have to say that I also think that, due to his greater familiarity with the inner workings of congress,and his greater respect by its members, that he is going to have a substantially greater ability than Hillary to right what's wrong. That's a big part of why I want him to get the nom. I can't see her getting the votes she needs and I do see her and all of congress being bogged down in endless investigations... Not insignificant.

[bettyellen]

290. one major change I see is that Bernie has finally recognized that having a child can put both

mom and kid deep into poverty that "raising all boats" won't solve. I think this is a relatively new realization to him, because he preferred not to think about what some here dismiss as "identity" politics. I am glad he is finally talking about it. That dismissiveness really hurt his campaign more than anything. It's galling to hear people accuse you of self interest when their whole issue is around their own paychecks. You can dress it up about corruption but few of these people note that corruption has always been in their back yards as well- and it was hurting others. It had to trickle up to bite them on the ass before it became urgent. SO, I have a cynical point of view about that, I see the self interest there too. I can't have kids, and it's really more about society in the long term than for my own self.

[JudyM]

292. I may not fully understand what you're saying. If minimum wage is lifted, single payer universal

healthcare and everything else he talks about happens, that won't help people to afford kids?

[bettyellen]

294. well for instance the college thing without tackling how unequal HS education is will still leave

a lot of people who most need a boost totally out of the equation. kids are graduating HS who barely know how to read or write. free college isn't going to be for them, or for women that have kids or family to take care of. Higher salaries without cheaper childcare/ daycare and parental leave will help all but the poorest. raising all boats sounds good to people who have boats, but it seems they forget that not everyone does.

[JudyM]

296. Ok, got it. So it's a matter of looking at all this from a full 360 degrees cause and effect stance.

a lot of the dialogue here on DU has been about Bernie only focusing on economics and not on race; you're pointing out is that there's more to economics... Thanks for the discussion. I get it, and actually, FWIW, believe that Bernie will hire the kind of people who will care enough and understand enough to laser in on this.

He's all about pay equity, family leave, universal childcare, and I just found this on the literacy/ k-12 issues: http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-education/#k-12-education

[bettyellen]

297. I think there was a lot of over thoughtlessness initially in that "he helps everyone" bit, as we

know that say FDR did not help POC or women nearly as he did white men, because basically we couldn't buy the houses, get the good jobs, etc and and many of our segments of the economy were shut out of social security.

And you had a lot of people who basically did not know that (because it wasn't their problem) lecturing us how they were some sort of golden years. That made some educated voters' jaws drop.

That coupled with the very frequent posts about "low info" or "stockholm syndrome" voters "falling for tactics"- our lives dismissed as mere "identity politics" instead of genuine issues- all by people who never gave much thought about who FDR was actually pulling for. Those ignorant lectures I think were the genesis of the clueless Bernie Bro idea. In my mind, many are just as self-interested and this revolution begins and ends with a pay increase- for them. I'm that cynical, and being summarily dismissed as a rube as was common early on in the campaign (and continues) did not help.

Thanks for listening without anger. There is just way too much hate out here right now to be able to have meaningful conversations at DU these days. I'm one hide away from gone for not hating on Hillary as it is.

[JudyM]

298. You're a valuable voice in the DU community, don't go. A lot of us are supremely frustrated.

A lot of the hate here is pure garbage. Some people are getting paid by the post. I haven't hidden anyone but I've been thinking I will.
The more of us that have sane conversations the more it'll be a positive impact, so don't give up. Nothing wrong with cynicism but change might come anyway.

[bettyellen]

299. I appreciate your take on the garbage. There's a lot of immaturity on display and it is off putting

And yeah, I see it in both directions, but I have been called vile names and followed into the AA group to be alert stalked.
Because I will not join in their hate. It's just foolish.
Good on you for being a thoughtful advocate- you'd make Bernie proud.

[JudyM]

300. Thank you.

I believe they often have nothing thoughtful to say so they sling mud just to be part of the game and keep the posts coming. Honestly I don't see the Bernie peeps as being nearly as bad, but I'm sorry if you're getting the short end of it. I'll look out for ya.

[bettyellen]

301. thanks Judy! It has been great getting to know you!

[cali]

251. I'm unabashedly opposed to corruption.

[nolabear]

293. Your inability to hear me is duly noted.

[bettyellen]

219. Is POTUS rewarding Cuba with a visit too quickly?

[bettyellen]

232. LOL @ the Castros can't live forever.

[Dretownblues]

233. So Clinton is responsible for Democracy in Myanmar?

Wow quite a list of accomplishments she has.

[flamingdem]

234. Good answer on Cuba

She wasn't thrown by Chuckies attempt to drag in the right wing crap, possibly planted there by Jose Diaz Balart.

[nolabear]

238. She did well. I love seeing people flock around her. Thanks bettyellen!

[bettyellen]

245. thanks you nolabear, my dear!

[Jarqui]

239. Hillary whined about having a student loan debt for 15 years ...

Her father owns some drapery businesses. Was wealthy enough to run against Mayor Daley in Chicago

Another Email Mess for Hillary Clinton: These Reveal She Opposed Pro-LGBT Changes at State Dept

[hedda_foil]

286. She didn't have student loan debt. There were virtually no student loans back then

There were Pell Grants, I belie, but only for the neediest. Her father had a major drapery business with lots of big hotel clients in Chicago.

[ucrdem]

242. Well if the last five minutes is any indication she did great.

Tough gig though without a podium or chair . . .

[lovemydog]

243. I like that Telemundo guy José Díaz-Balart.

Chuck Todd, not so much.

[ucrdem]

247. Chuck Todd looks like Alex Jones with a better barber.

He takes his Bernie bias way too seriously.

[bettyellen]

258. Not a fan of Todd. But he pushed her to promise to prioritize immigration reform, so that is good.

[ucrdem]

263. That will play well in Nevada and she probably wanted to say it

Whenever I see Chuck in action he's trying to catch her in some club-footed gotcha. But I missed it and cant't say for sure

p.s.

[bettyellen]

268. they all go for the gotcha. except Rachel I think, who tries to examine things in more depth....

when time permits.
Always nice to see you!!

[noretreatnosurrender]

246. MSNBC Help

Clinton gets to go meet and greet everyone. Isn't that special.

[bettyellen]

257. and Bernie probably got to make another speech at 10:15 in Vegas. Win-win.

[noretreatnosurrender]

260. On Townhall twitter feed

Saw this in the Townhill twitter feed and laughed.

[link::large|

[Duckhunter935]

264. lol

[bettyellen]

295. I thought much the same when Bernie was talking about babies in poverty and women's

unpaid labor. Nice to know he is capable of learning things.

[Jarqui]

256. Ralston Tweets

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/700528354189901827
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 9 minutes ago

"It's why all the unions have endorsed at me." -- Hillary.

Um, no.

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/700526832542572544
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 17 minutes ago
"It is obviously troubling that people have questions about me...." Hillary.

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/700527729133772800
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 14 minutes ago
The Nod.

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/700528175990767620
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 14 minutes ago
Wal-Mart Bern!

[Duckhunter935]

265. he has some great ones

[bettyellen]

275. Thanks for being generally kind to each other everybody on this thread.