2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes the "liberal media" want Obama to win?
I watched the debate like millions of others and came away with the impression Romney was more assertive in stating is right-wing positions, but I didn't think it was the blow out the media has made it out to be. They each stated their case on the issues and if you've been following the campaigns at all it was nothing really new, except of course Romney's changing positions. But after seeing the general public's and the media's response you would have thought Obama tripped fell and bust his head on his way to the podium.
So I pondered the question has the media, especially the so called liberal media ie: msnbc cbs abc, done more harm to the President in their overlly negative response to Obama's performance? They've left such a negative impression, not in the minds of republicans that already hate the President, but center-left democrats and independents. I DVRed msnbc post debate coverage and to sum it up, I almost felt like Chris Mathews, Racheal Maddow and the rest of them sense the opportunity to back the candidate promising them a 20% tax cut on their million dollar salaries. I Don't mean to be cynical, but I got the impression they wouldn't be all that heartbroken if Romney was to win.
Fox News would still be spinning for Romney today had he performed poorly at the debate, but our side sold us out that night. I'm still hopeful most of the coalitions of the Democratic party will still be there for the President despite our so called wealthy liberal media friends.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)No liberal bias the next morning when EVERYWHERE it was stating that Obama crashed and burned, and pretty much should surrender.
Oh, and later, when everybody had their fill of the "news" of the debate, a small, quiet, timid voice started pointing out that, yes, Romney "performed" great with the talking points, but the talking points were about 15 credits and two summer semesters from graduating to BULLSHIT ...
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)and if they can't have that,
they want superpac money in the meantime!
Simple as that!
chille1
(73 posts)Money,Saturated,News,By,Corporate.I believe this was not based on the Presidents performance,They have tottally spun this into some sort of side show ,Fuck any facts ,Its ok once again Mittwitt lied ,37 lies in 38 minutes ,so I have one question since when as a nation do we reward Liars ,since when is cheating the way we succeed in this Country ,And now we have to listen to these Corporate whores spin todays polls ,I guess we know what the October surprise is Fuck us its all about the 1% Surprise!!!!!!!
Stuart G
(38,428 posts)Racheal Maddow does not back the candidate that promises her a tax cut..absurd..
TroyD
(4,551 posts)What did Rachel Maddow say?
Stuart G
(38,428 posts)"I DVRed msnbc post debate coverage and to sum it up, I almost felt like Chris Mathews, Racheal Maddow and the rest of them sense the opportunity to back the candidate promising them a 20% tax cut on their million dollar salaries. I Don't mean to be cynical, but I got the impression they wouldn't be all that heartbroken if Romney was to win."...
This is aburd..If Romney won..Racheal would be very very angry, and quite hearbroken..as would I
patrice
(47,992 posts)create amongst the "don't trust Obama or don't vote" crowd who are looking at some mighty big issues (environment in particular) and saying supposedly hypothetically, but in fact way more serious than that in some cases, that it'd be better to let "it" all crash and burn so "we" can start over.
patrice
(47,992 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Fox said right after the debate that Mitt had landed some jabs but no knock out punch while MSNBC with Chris and Big Ed shilling for Mitt came out right away with "ROMONEY WON IT!!!!" the next day Mooning Joe lead with the video of Chris M. screaming "ROMONEY WON IT!!!!" hey with friends like those who need enemies.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)I don't know of anyone who considers them "liberal media" except Tea Partyers and other fascists like F*x Ewes, so I get your allusion.
What calls itself "the Left", OTH, appears, at this point, to be confirmed in the position that an Obama defeat would serve the purpose to, TTE, "let the whole thing crash and self-destruct from its own corruption, so we can start over" and (ever since Steve Gibbs' remarks about "professional Leftists" they keep looking for justifications to "prove" that the President has "betrayed" them and what we are supposed to assume are "their" causes: health care; LGBTQ Civil Rights; and an interest in "peace" that mostly didn't show itself until the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan started going bad. So, relative to your reference to "liberal media's" interest in an Obama loss, in this anti-establishmentarian attitude and these issues, "the Left", whom one would assume to be Liberal, appears to have achieved some synergy with others working for the defeat of the President and, though there is "the Left" and then there is the Left, it doesn't appear that that ant-establishmentarian synergy with the Tea Partying Reich is a problem to those who are generating the don't-vote-let-it-self-destruct-from-its-own-corruption meme.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)And so I can't really fault them for reacting the same way. They wanted him to fight harder too. Is that really hard to believe (unless you're married to the whole MSM-loves-controversy-for-ratings thing)?
I really hope the next one is different and that this debate was just a flash in the pan by election day.
As for me, I'm STILL FIRED UP! STILL READY TO GO!
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)I do think they try to portray themselves as liberal to get liberal viewers though. I'm pretty sure Tweety Matthews supported Bush in 2000, and Ed Schultz "converted" to the Democratic party (I personally think he was paid to convert, but I can't prove that). Andrea Mitchell is widely ridiculed here and rightfully so. The only true liberals I can see on the network are Maddow and Sharpton, though I may be missing some of the lower-profile personalities.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Other than Scarborough, they seem pretty liberal to me.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)I don't think they do it because that's what they really believe though, I think they do it to appeal to the liberal audience. Maybe it's a strange and baseless theory, IDK, I just find some of the MSNBC talking heads to be a bit fake.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Like Rush Limbaugh, Beck, etc.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Of course, there's no guarantee he is human...
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Also, it probably pisses him or his listeners off if you say he's faking it (shhh)