But Jane Elliot said it! That makes it Ok, then!

[bluestateguy]

No, it doesn't. Its just Bernie Bro crap.

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/17/the_vagina_and_uterus_swipes_have_got_to_stop_killer_mikes_uterus_comment_about_hillary_hurts_all_women/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Amanda Marcotte

You don’t have to like Hillary Clinton, but it’s simply and demonstrably untrue that she has never accomplished anything in her life but growing a uterus. This should seem obvious, and yet these body part-obsessed accusations of female unworthiness have become a standard issue Bernie Bro jab on social media. And now the has-a-vagina-but-nothing-else-to-offer claim has been elevated to the actual Bernie Sanders campaign, courtesy of rapper Killer Mike.

At a campaign event for Sanders, Killer Mike made a lengthy speech where he casually argued that “a uterus doesn’t qualify you to be president of the United States.” It’s something that female Clinton supporters get to hear every day, especially if they dare poke their heads out on Twitter or Facebook, and it continues to be a confirmation of nothing but the sexism of the person spouting this stupid line.

It’s really a double-edged sword of sexist cruelty, both reducing Clinton to her gender and insulting the intelligence of the woman on the receiving end of this slur by assuming that she, being some dumb broad, just mechanically sees another lady and goes, “Me vote lady!”

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. If a HRC supporter made such an inflammatory comment he or she would be criticized

If a HRC supporter made such an inflammatory comment he or she would be criticized and rightfully so.




True progressives call out racism, sexism, misogyny, homophobia, and every kind of bigotry, whenever it raises its sad head.

[SheenaR]

5. If they quoted

someone else. I would not hold a HRC supporter to that as their own original idea. I think you, who I respect very much, knows the difference.

[Nanjeanne]

2. Oh please Amanda - Give it a rest. A Penis doesn't qualify you to be president of the US either

And any thinking voter should not be giving much thought to uteri or penises.

[SheenaR]

3. As a woman

If Clinton doesn't want to be reduced to her gender, STOP campaigning on her gender. Stop using it in every speech.

And since Jane Eliot said it, yes it absolves the campaign of the quote's origin.

AND it absolves Killer Mike.


If Mike had said this, "George Wallace once said about segregation, 'Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever".... Would the quote be attributed to him? The campaign? NO! It's a effing QUOTE

I'm tired of it. Her campaign is SETTING WOMEN BACK, and making women who actually believe all this crap to be very bitter towards anyone who opposes.

[firebrand80]

4. I wouldn't expect such Misogyny from a rapper nt

[SheenaR]

8. There's that stereotyping from your side

I haven't seen enough of lately! Why not add black into that too. Because that's what you mean.

[MADem]

15. What? Maybe you've never met Eminem?

Why are you in a hurry to get all racialicious up in here?

You don't hear a lot of misogyny in folk music. You do in rap--no matter what color the rapper.

[SheenaR]

19. Lol

Yup.. you meant Eminem. One of the handful of white rappers literally in the world that anyone has ever heard of..

Sure thing..

[MADem]

23. What are you suggesting? That a minority in an artistic genre should be dismissed, disregarded?

You're on thin ice. Misty Copeland had to deal with that kind of attitude, too. It's not cool no matter where it comes from.

So LOL right back at you. And I SAID Eminem, so I'm not sure what you're going on about.

[SheenaR]

24. No no no

I'm suggesting your original comment was stereotypical with racial overtones. Like I said it was.

And my fiancé is the only one who tells me when I am on thin ice. So you can take that shit elsewhere.

[MADem]

27. Which original comment? Please be specific. You're accusing me of racism and you'd better

have your facts in line, here.

So, if I provided you with a link to a Puerto Rican rapper's misogynist lyrics, that would be "racist" too?

I think the ice is cracking beneath your feet at this point.

[SheenaR]

32. Mea culpa

This entire time I thought firestorm's quote was written by you. And I thought I was responding to that quote each time. And could not figure out why you didn't know what I was talking about...

Sorry..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. There was no misogyny from P E

[MADem]

12. LOL!!!!!!!

His lyrics tell the tale....!

This assessment is from a FAN: https://lifeofrefinement.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/run-the-jewels-and-rape-culture/

Bill Cosby probably loves the music, too.

[MADem]

6. He's getting deserved pushback, along with attention to his stated attitudes towards women in the

past.

Too clever by half.

[GusBob]

7. My granny used to say

just 'cuz ya got an asshole, don't mean ya gotta act like one

[KingFlorez]

9. Not that the words of a cheap gangsta rapper count for much

I'd expect that sort of talk from a person that tweets out that he was basically canvassing for votes in the strip club.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Respectfully, that's a bit harsh...

Respectfully, that's a bit harsh...


We have the moral high ground on this. Let's not cede it...

[KingFlorez]

14. That's what he calls himself in his Twitter profile description

He specifically uses "gangster rapper" to describe himself.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I know...

When you get endorsed by rappers you take the good with the bad...He also drops the N word and F word and talks about shooting people but that is endemic to the genre, though I think rap is becoming more inclusive.

BTW, a lot of rappers have endorsed HRC.

[KeepItReal]

17. Gangsta rap died in the 90's. Killer Mike is Southern Hip Hop.

Look up the Dugeon Family if wanna be informed about his musical background.

[MADem]

25. Well, you might want to "Keep it real" and tell Killer Mike what he's all about, since you know

better than he does....

His twitter profile says THIS:

Killer MikeVerified account
@KillerMike
I am 1/2 of #RunTheJewels I like My Woman, My Kids, Weed, Polo and Politics. I am a Pan Africanist Gangster Rapper, Civic Leader & Activist.Honor Me

ATL
Joined February 2009

Link, because links are the decent thing to provide: https://twitter.com/KillerMike?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

31. Yeah, who does he think he is!

Hanging around with thieves and prostitutes? Just like that horrible Jesus guy!

[boston bean]

13. He says Jane Elliot said it. Has Jane Elliot confirmed this.

[MADem]

16. Frankly, it doesn't matter who said it. Lots of people say hateful things.

That doesn't make it "OK" to repeat it.

[boston bean]

18. I agree. Still seems she should respond.

[MADem]

28. She's probably ducking for one of two reasons...

She was taken out of context and doesn't want to take down her buddy Mike or

She's embarrassed as hell for saying what she said.

Maybe both.

[Orsino]

20. After centuries of oppression, bigotry and neglect...

...I'm not going to diss me-vote-lady as a motivation. If we men don't like it, well, we could have gotten an earlier start on equality, and had our pick of any number of great female candidates, and we've had more than enough me-vote-man at every level of government.

This is our time to elect a woman to the highest office in the land, if we want it. No one needs to apologize, as far as I'm concerned.

[MADem]

26. Point made! nt

[Nedsdag]

21. I agree with Jane Elliott, and I am an African American female.

Does this make me a BernieBro?

[Lorien]

29. Newsflash-Hillary fans are the only ones making ANYTHING about her gender

apparently that and attacks against Bernie are all that you have. Want to sell your candidate? GIVE US REASONS TO VOTE FOR HER!! Here, you can start with this: http://www.reasonstovotehillary.com

[MADem]

33. Newsflash--anyone who thinks that gender isn't an issue in this campaign is being willfully obtuse.

Here is a nuanced discussion of this topic that you won't find here at DU:

http://www.northeastern.edu/news/2016/02/3qs-do-young-women-have-an-obligation-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton/

....we seem to only ask the question about “voting based on gender” or “playing the gender card” when a woman candidate (and woman voters) are being discussed. That is precisely one of the insidious ways sexism and double-standards work: no one seems to be asking about the “gender card” that we’ve been playing all the hundreds of years in voting for men. It’s just assumed, since men are the default human and therefore somehow not gendered, that we vote for men because of issues or values or whatever. The same dynamic plays out in questions of race: have we been asking if people voted for whiteness all these hundreds or years or did we only ask about voting around race when Obama was the candidate? So it’s just an accident that only men have been presidents of the United States? And that, until Obama, only white men?

....having a woman—a feminist who has devoted much of her life and political energy to gender equity—occupy the White House would have both practical effects (e.g. strengthening reproductive rights and health care access more generally, taking on the scourge of sexual and domestic violence, raising the minimum wage, working to push back against climate change) and of course symbolic effects. But symbols are never “merely” symbols—they resonate and impact in ways that are complicated and multigenerational. I do think a feminist woman fighting for, say, pay equity or reproductive freedom brings something different to the table than a man, even a male feminist. Just as Obama’s engagement in discourses around racial discrimination and profiling mattered in profound ways, so too would Clinton’s engagement in discourses around gender discrimination speak volumes to women around the world....

[Lorien]

35. I'm a feminist, and these are my issues with Hillary. NONE of them involve her vagina!

Hillary supporters who think that these issues don't matter are the ones who are WILLFULLY OBTUSE, or downright corrupt!


Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
Clinton policies lead to the largest mass incarceration of human beings in the history of the world
and the list goes on...

Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:

Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

Hillary on Gay marriage in 2004:

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Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans: http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

The political compass finds Bernie to be the most centrist candidate, Hillary falls into the right wing Authoritarian spectrum:: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-03-26/bernie-sanders-hates-money-in-politics-the-very-thing-he-ll-need-to-beat-clinton

Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/

A comparison of bills put forth by Bernie and Hillary: http://giphy.com/gifs/clinton-vs-sanders-bills-passed-according-to-congressgov-3o6gaQaIZcGAW7hCfu

Hillary helps a bank, which then funnels millions to the Clintons: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Under Sanders, incomes and jobs would soar:http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/

Electing Bernie would usher a wave of "Bernie Democrats" into Congress: https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Bernie vows to stop disastrous TPP deal: http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/

Bernie's foreign policy positions are solid and through: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is dismal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Bernie has plenty of foreign policy knowledge: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is a disaster: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Top economist, UN advisor and climate activist: "Clinton is a danger to world peace" http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/15/1485382/-Top-economist-UN-advisor-and-climate-activist-Clinton-is-a-danger-to-world-peace

The pragmatic case for Bernie Sanders: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-pragmatic-case-for-bernie-sanders/462720/

Who could beat Trump? Bernie by a wide margin, while Hillary could lose against him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump 51-38 in a general-election: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/poll-against-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-would-get-schlonged-20151223#ixzz3zvCwk44J

Poll shows that Hillary could easily lose to Trump in the General election: http://www.inquisitr.com/2667052/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-could-easily-lose-to-donald-trump-in-general-election/

[MADem]

36. Way to completely miss the point--I mean, COMPLETELY miss the point.

I think I'll listen to the head of the Gender Studies Department at a major American university before I bother to wade through a gish gallop of collected "throw it up against the wall" links.

You clearly didn't even read the piece.



No one cares who you vote for--you can vote for Sanders or Bozo the Clown, if you'd like. You don't have to justify your vote to me or anyone else.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

30. I'm not thrilled by the comment, but it's simply the reply to the

'Vote for a Woman!' campaigning she and her surrogates are doing.

It's like candidates' families getting 'attacked' - it's off limits UNTIL you make your family a central part of your campaign. If you can try and raise votes by doing it, your opponents can point out the fact that you're trying to raise votes by doing it.

[MisterP]

34. if Bernie Bros can't criticize women, then lilywhite Amanda can't talk about Killer Mike