DNC posts false pie chart that misleads about the power of superdelegates

[Cheese Sandwich]

Comparing the DNC pie chart (left) to a correct pie chart (right)



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[HooptieWagon]

1. They lied? Who'da thunk?

[TheBlackAdder]

20. Every day, the DNC parallels the RNC a little more. Now outsourcing media to FOX News. nt

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[Ferd Berfel]

33. Aint it the sick, sad, truth.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. What has happened to this party at that level?

[jeff47]

3. 1% money is SOOOOO good, man. You just don't understand!! (nt)

[daleanime]

4. You have to remember, it's not the truth that matters.....

it's that they get to stay in control.

[Cheese Sandwich]

6. Every once in a while they slip though

DNC Chair Says Superdelegates Exist to Protect Party Leaders

[CentralMass]

7. Doh ! You can't make this stuff up.

[Cheese Sandwich]

10. You couldn't make that up.

DNC are apparently now at war with reality in the form of pie charts.

[MisterP]

24. they'd rather win the primary than lose the GE

in fact they 1. LIKE being a minority party since it means no pressure to pass laws (they were glad when the Supermajority was lost by "It's Her Turn" Coakley) and can pretend to be the underdog, and 2. they have a whole system set up to blame the voters for all losses, to corner us into accepting all the blame and kneeling in tearful apology (at least in their minds): so they CAN'T understand that the DNC's not working

double-pronged self-deception

[Donald Ian Rankin]

28. I don't think you mean that!

I mean, I'm sure the title of that post is true, but it's not nearly as surprising as you make out...

[CentralMass]

5. Thank you. A related article.

tp://www.bustle.com/articles/139315-how-do-delegates-work-these-candidate-representatives-play-a-huge-role-in-who-gets-nominated

"Overall, there are 4,763 Democratic delegates, and a candidate must win more than half of them (2,382) to earn the nomination. Superdelegates make up 30 percent of the 2,382 delegates needed to win the nomination. This is particularly important in 2016, because in November, 359 of the 712 superdelegates told the Associated Press that they were already committed to Clinton, as opposed to only eight for Sanders.: "

Super delegatesoft are free to support the candidate of their chosing. As of November 359 had already committed to Hillary. So take NewHamshire. It has 8 super delegates and 6 of them have committed for Hillary.

[kenn3d]

8. Bernie Sanders supporters petition superdelegates

Bernie Sanders supporters are petitioning Democratic superdelegates after Bernie Sanders blew out Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primary and tied her in the Iowa caucus, and yet Hillary Clinton commands an enormous 350-delegate lead.
Outraged by superdelegates who are not bound by voting results, supporters are now fighting back.
https://www.uspolitics.news/2016/02/15/news/2016-elections/bernie-sanders-supporters-petition-superdelegtes/2599 … @uspoliticsnews2

Please Sign petition: http://bit.ly/superdelegates @ MoveOn.org
We're rapidly closing in on 200k signatures.

[azmom]

9. Kck

[Dragonfli]

11. They must have inadvertently hired the FOX news graph maker guy

I'd recognize that FOX dudes work anywhere.

[jfern]

12. Ridiculous

And the way the pledged delegates are allocated makes superdelegates worth more.

Example, a district elects 3 delegates.
Candidate A gets 17%
Candidate B gets 83%

Candidate A gets 1 delegate
Candidate B gets 2 delegates

If 26% of delegates are superdelgates, and candidate A has them all, and the other 74% of delegates are pledged 3 at a time, and candidate B gets 83% of the vote, candidate A still has more delegates.

[newthinking]

13. They also are claiming that Bernie won 6/7 of the coin tosses?

4. The Iowa caucuses were not decided by coin tosses, and Hillary Clinton did not win all of them. Seven coin flips were reported through the Iowa Democratic Party’s reporting app out of more than 1,700 simultaneous caucus events, with Bernie Sanders winning six and Hillary Clinton winning one.

Apparently they "could not determine" who had coin tosses because the app they used did not record them.
Even so, this is a flat out lie. nobody knows right?

[rufus dog]

14. Who would ever think to try that?

We all know what 25% looks like on a pie chart, cutting that in half is one thing, but representing 8% as 15% is crazy.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. Seriously. it takes five seconds to make a pie chart in excel.

And the only reasonable way someone is going to misrepresent a percentage on one is to do it on purpose.

[Flying Squirrel]

15. At least it's down from over 19% last time.

Progress!

[mhatrw]

16. Wow. Even THEIR FUCKING PIE CHARTS LIE!!!

Damn. And these are the fucking people we have entrusted to run OUR party?

What wouldn't you put past them?

[bravenak]

17. Oh my look at that pie lie!

[Warren DeMontague]

18. the pie is lying

[betsuni]

21. That "Mock Apple Pie" recipe on the back of boxes of Ritz crackers? IT IS FALSE PIE.

[Fearless]

22. If it's sooooo insignificant... why have them at all??

[noamnety]

29. It's not 15 degrees.

One of the comments pointed out the chart adds up to 115% - they included the super delegates in both wedges to make them look smaller.

We could argue that it was incompetence - except that comments on the article explained the error 3 days ago, and they opted to keep the misleading graphic at the top of the page.

[lumberjack_jeff]

35. I can't find an excel function for degrees on a pie chart. n/t

[brentspeak]

25. Are you saying that Debbie's DNC would deceive?

Impossible. Just can't happen.

[beedle]

26. Must be ironing out the bugs ...

... in their new fangled "establishment pie chart software".

[Donald Ian Rankin]

27. The truth is somewhere between the two - it's 13%, not 15%.

712/(712+4763) = 0.1300

The right-hand picture is slightly less far out visually, but the left-hand one doesn't have wrong numbers on it.

[beedle]

30. Reading that page ...

they have a section called: "Why we have unpledged delegates"

Most of that section does nothing to even attempt to explain the "Why" of "Unpledged deligates", the only sentence that even comes close to explaining "why" says:

"Unpledged delegates mean interested voters don’t have to run against elected officials to attend the Democratic National Convention."

What does that even mean? Were elected officials somehow preventing people from attending the DNC?

[highprincipleswork]

31. I'm so tired of their lying, thieving selves. They are digging a big hole for themselves.

[kristopher]

32. Clinton ethics claim another victim as Rachel Maddow plays chart game

Rachel's narration:

"Now, if you ask Democratic voters who they expect to be their nominee in November the answer is a very clear and consistent one since the beginning of this campaign. Democratic voters have expected Hillary Clinton to be the candidate who will win the nomination in the end since the very beginning of this campaign.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show (starts just after 7 min.)

Note the dates in this chart that backdropped that statement: 1/25/16 - 2/7/16




For the record, this is what the chart to represent her claim actually looks like:



For those who will glom onto the difference between voter preference and voter forecast I have two replies:
1) Why did she truncate the timeline in her chart down to 2 weeks while discussing a timeframe of more than 1 year, and
2) She knows that the precise phrasing she used isn't a common polling question and that phrasing adds nothing to the narrative that is not found in the voter preference poll numbers. This is the part that is most damning IMO as it shows a deliberate effort as opposed to just a producer's mistake.

Rachel has been pushing the boundaries in her support for Clinton, but this is the kind of behavior she is famous for exposing. Clinton ethics claim another victim.

[JudyM]

36. We need to start sending stuff like this to POTUS in support of his slapping DWS aside.

[Go Vols]

37. K&R