Animal Fat a Renewable Energy Source?

[boston bean]

[MADem]

1. Hmmm!

IOKIYABS!

Doncha know....~!!!

That vetting thing, it sure sucks when suggestions of profound "idealism" come butting up against "craven reality!"

Is it a good thing if your exhaust smells like dead cow fat?

LOL...

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Normal diesel exhaust doesnt smell like roses, either, buddy.

Seems a fully sensible proposal, although probably not as economical as it might have been in 2007, what with the current oil glut.

[MADem]

29. No, it seems like pork....er, lard...for the VT dairy industry. Melt down those old cows and

stuff 'em in yer tank.

Like ethanol didn't suck sufficiently?

Please--it was a pander. Nothing more.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Vt dairy industry? Try tyson foods.

Perhaps you've heard of them. I know the Clintons have.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/news/energy/2010/12/101222/animal-fat-tyson-renewable-fuel/

[beam me up scottie]

37. OOPSIE! He's not in the pocket of Big Moo™ after all.

[kristopher]

76. This is probably a single line in a bill several hundred pages long.

And I'll wager whoever stuck it in the bill is endorsing Hillary.

[kristopher]

80. Here is the bill - how would you have voted?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:h.r.6.eas:

Beginning
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.
SEC. 2. RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAW.
TITLE I--BIOFUELS FOR ENERGY SECURITY AND TRANSPORTATION
SEC. 101. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 102. DEFINITIONS.
Subtitle A--Renewable Fuel Standard
SEC. 111. RENEWABLE FUEL STANDARD.
SEC. 112. PRODUCTION OF RENEWABLE FUEL USING RENEWABLE ENERGY.
SEC. 113. SENSE OF CONGRESS RELATING TO THE USE OF RENEWABLE RESOURCES TO GENERATE ENERGY.
Subtitle B--Renewable Fuels Infrastructure
SEC. 121. INFRASTRUCTURE PILOT PROGRAM FOR RENEWABLE FUELS.
SEC. 122. BIOENERGY RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
SEC. 123. BIORESEARCH CENTERS FOR SYSTEMS BIOLOGY PROGRAM.
SEC. 124. LOAN GUARANTEES FOR RENEWABLE FUEL FACILITIES.
SEC. 125. GRANTS FOR RENEWABLE FUEL PRODUCTION RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN CERTAIN STATES.
SEC. 126. GRANTS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE FOR TRANSPORTATION OF BIOMASS TO LOCAL BIOREFINERIES.
SEC. 127. BIOREFINERY INFORMATION CENTER.
SEC. 128. ALTERNATIVE FUEL DATABASE AND MATERIALS.
SEC. 129. FUEL TANK CAP LABELING REQUIREMENT.
SEC. 130. BIODIESEL.
SEC. 131. TRANSITIONAL ASSISTANCE FOR FARMERS WHO PLANT DEDICATED ENERGY CROPS FOR A LOCAL CELLULOSIC REFINERY.
SEC. 132. RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN SUPPORT OF LOW-CARBON FUELS.
Subtitle C--Studies
SEC. 141. STUDY OF ADVANCED BIOFUELS TECHNOLOGIES.
SEC. 142. STUDY OF INCREASED CONSUMPTION OF ETHANOL-BLENDED GASOLINE WITH HIGHER LEVELS OF ETHANOL.
SEC. 143. PIPELINE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
SEC. 144. STUDY OF OPTIMIZATION OF FLEXIBLE FUELED VEHICLES TO USE E-85 FUEL.
SEC. 145. STUDY OF CREDITS FOR USE OF RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
SEC. 146. STUDY OF ENGINE DURABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE OF BIODIESEL.
SEC. 147. STUDY OF INCENTIVES FOR RENEWABLE FUELS.
SEC. 148. STUDY OF STREAMLINED LIFECYCLE ANALYSIS TOOLS FOR THE EVALUATION OF RENEWABLE CARBON CONTENT OF BIOFUELS.
SEC. 149. STUDY OF EFFECTS OF ETHANOL-BLENDED GASOLINE ON OFF-ROAD VEHICLES.
SEC. 150. STUDY OF OFFSHORE WIND RESOURCES.
Subtitle D--Environmental Safeguards
SEC. 161. GRANTS FOR PRODUCTION OF ADVANCED BIOFUELS.
SEC. 162. STUDIES OF EFFECTS OF RENEWABLE FUEL USE.
SEC. 163. INTEGRATED CONSIDERATION OF WATER QUALITY IN DETERMINATIONS ON FUELS AND FUEL ADDITIVES.
SEC. 164. ANTI-BACKSLIDING.
TITLE II--ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROMOTION
SEC. 201. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 202. DEFINITION OF SECRETARY.
Subtitle A--Promoting Advanced Lighting Technologies
SEC. 211. ACCELERATED PROCUREMENT OF ENERGY EFFICIENT LIGHTING.
SEC. 212. INCANDESCENT REFLECTOR LAMP EFFICIENCY STANDARDS.
SEC. 213. BRIGHT TOMORROW LIGHTING PRIZES.
SEC. 214. SENSE OF SENATE CONCERNING EFFICIENT LIGHTING STANDARDS.
SEC. 215. RENEWABLE ENERGY CONSTRUCTION GRANTS.
Subtitle B--Expediting New Energy Efficiency Standards
SEC. 221. DEFINITION OF ENERGY CONSERVATION STANDARD.
SEC. 222. REGIONAL EFFICIENCY STANDARDS FOR HEATING AND COOLING PRODUCTS.
SEC. 223. FURNACE FAN RULEMAKING.
SEC. 224. EXPEDITED RULEMAKINGS.
SEC. 225. PERIODIC REVIEWS.
SEC. 226. ENERGY EFFICIENCY LABELING FOR CONSUMER ELECTRONIC PRODUCTS.
SEC. 227. RESIDENTIAL BOILER EFFICIENCY STANDARDS.
SEC. 228. TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS.
SEC. 229. ELECTRIC MOTOR EFFICIENCY STANDARDS.
SEC. 230. ENERGY STANDARDS FOR HOME APPLIANCES.
SEC. 231. IMPROVED ENERGY EFFICIENCY FOR APPLIANCES AND BUILDINGS IN COLD CLIMATES.
SEC. 232. DEPLOYMENT OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES FOR HIGH-EFFICIENCY CONSUMER PRODUCTS.
SEC. 233. INDUSTRIAL EFFICIENCY PROGRAM.
Subtitle C--Promoting High Efficiency Vehicles, Advanced Batteries, and Energy Storage
SEC. 241. LIGHTWEIGHT MATERIALS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
SEC. 242. LOAN GUARANTEES FOR FUEL-EFFICIENT AUTOMOBILE PARTS MANUFACTURERS.
SEC. 243. ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY VEHICLES MANUFACTURING INCENTIVE PROGRAM.
SEC. 244. ENERGY STORAGE COMPETITIVENESS.
SEC. 245. ADVANCED TRANSPORTATION TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM.
SEC. 246. INCLUSION OF ELECTRIC DRIVE IN ENERGY POLICY ACT OF 1992.
SEC. 247. COMMERCIAL INSULATION DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM.
Subtitle D--Setting Energy Efficiency Goals
SEC. 251. OIL SAVINGS PLAN AND REQUIREMENTS.
SEC. 252. NATIONAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENT GOALS.
SEC. 253. NATIONAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN.
SEC. 254. MODERNIZATION OF ELECTRICITY GRID SYSTEM.
SEC. 255. SMART GRID SYSTEM REPORT.
SEC. 256. SMART GRID TECHNOLOGY RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, AND DEMONSTRATION.
SEC. 257. SMART GRID INTEROPERABILITY FRAMEWORK.
SEC. 258. STATE CONSIDERATION OF SMART GRID.
SEC. 259. SUPPORT FOR ENERGY INDEPENDENCE OF THE UNITED STATES.
SEC. 260. ENERGY POLICY COMMISSION.
Subtitle E--Promoting Federal Leadership in Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy
SEC. 261. FEDERAL FLEET CONSERVATION REQUIREMENTS.
`SEC. 400FF. FEDERAL FLEET CONSERVATION REQUIREMENTS.
SEC. 262. FEDERAL REQUIREMENT TO PURCHASE ELECTRICITY GENERATED BY RENEWABLE ENERGY.
SEC. 263. ENERGY SAVINGS PERFORMANCE CONTRACTS.
SEC. 264. ENERGY MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR FEDERAL BUILDINGS.
SEC. 265. COMBINED HEAT AND POWER AND DISTRICT ENERGY INSTALLATIONS AT FEDERAL SITES.
SEC. 266. FEDERAL BUILDING ENERGY EFFICIENCY PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
SEC. 267. APPLICATION OF INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE TO PUBLIC AND ASSISTED HOUSING.
SEC. 268. ENERGY EFFICIENT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS INITIATIVE.
SEC. 269. CLEAN ENERGY CORRIDORS.
SEC. 270. FEDERAL STANDBY POWER STANDARD.
SEC. 270A. STANDARD RELATING TO SOLAR HOT WATER HEATERS.
SEC. 270B. RENEWABLE ENERGY INNOVATION MANUFACTURING PARTNERSHIP.
SEC. 270C. EXPRESS LOANS FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
SEC. 270D. SMALL BUSINESS ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
Subtitle F--Assisting State and Local Governments in Energy Efficiency
SEC. 271. WEATHERIZATION ASSISTANCE FOR LOW-INCOME PERSONS.
SEC. 272. STATE ENERGY CONSERVATION PLANS.
SEC. 273. UTILITY ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS.
SEC. 274. ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAM ASSISTANCE.
SEC. 275. ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL BLOCK GRANT.
`SEC. 123. ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL BLOCK GRANT.
SEC. 276. ENERGY SUSTAINABILITY AND EFFICIENCY GRANTS FOR INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER EDUCATION.
`SEC. 399A. ENERGY SUSTAINABILITY AND EFFICIENCY GRANTS FOR INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER EDUCATION.
SEC. 277. ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RENEWABLE ENERGY WORKER TRAINING PROGRAM.
SEC. 278. ASSISTANCE TO STATES TO REDUCE SCHOOL BUS IDLING.
SEC. 279. DEFINITION OF STATE.
SEC. 280. COORDINATION OF PLANNED REFINERY OUTAGES.
SEC. 281. TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR CLEAN COAL POWER INITIATIVE.
SEC. 282. ADMINISTRATION.
SEC. 283. OFFSHORE RENEWABLE ENERGY.
Subtitle G--Marine and Hydrokinetic Renewable Energy Promotion
SEC. 291. DEFINITION OF MARINE AND HYDROKINETIC RENEWABLE ENERGY.
SEC. 292. RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
SEC. 293. NATIONAL OCEAN ENERGY RESEARCH CENTERS.
TITLE III--CARBON CAPTURE AND STORAGE RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, AND DEMONSTRATION
SEC. 301. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 302. CARBON CAPTURE AND STORAGE RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, AND DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM.
SEC. 303. CARBON DIOXIDE STORAGE CAPACITY ASSESSMENT.
SEC. 304. CARBON CAPTURE AND STORAGE INITIATIVE.
SEC. 305. CAPITOL POWER PLANT CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM.
SEC. 306. ASSESSMENT OF CARBON SEQUESTRATION AND METHANE AND NITROUS OXIDE EMISSIONS FROM TERRESTRIAL ECOSYSTEMS.
SEC. 307. ABRUPT CLIMATE CHANGE RESEARCH PROGRAM.
TITLE IV--COST-EFFECTIVE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE PUBLIC BUILDINGS
Subtitle A--Public Buildings Cost Reduction
SEC. 401. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 402. COST-EFFECTIVE AND GEOTHERMAL HEAT PUMP TECHNOLOGY ACCELERATION PROGRAM.
SEC. 403. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY DEMONSTRATION GRANT PROGRAM FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
SEC. 404. DEFINITIONS.
Subtitle B--Installation of Photovoltaic System at Department of Energy Headquarters Building
SEC. 411. INSTALLATION OF PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEM AT DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY HEADQUARTERS BUILDING.
Subtitle C--High-Performance Green Buildings
SEC. 421. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 422. FINDINGS AND PURPOSES.
SEC. 423. DEFINITIONS.
PART I--OFFICE OF HIGH-PERFORMANCE GREEN BUILDINGS
SEC. 431. OVERSIGHT.
SEC. 432. OFFICE OF HIGH-PERFORMANCE GREEN BUILDINGS.
SEC. 433. GREEN BUILDING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SEC. 434. PUBLIC OUTREACH.
SEC. 435. RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
SEC. 436. BUDGET AND LIFE-CYCLE COSTING AND CONTRACTING.
SEC. 437. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
PART II--HEALTHY HIGH-PERFORMANCE SCHOOLS
SEC. 441. DEFINITION OF HIGH-PERFORMANCE SCHOOL.
SEC. 442. GRANTS FOR HEALTHY SCHOOL ENVIRONMENTS.
SEC. 443. MODEL GUIDELINES FOR SITING OF SCHOOL FACILITIES.
SEC. 444. PUBLIC OUTREACH.
SEC. 445. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM.
SEC. 446. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
PART III--STRENGTHENING FEDERAL LEADERSHIP
SEC. 451. INCENTIVES.
SEC. 452. FEDERAL PROCUREMENT.
SEC. 453. FEDERAL GREEN BUILDING PERFORMANCE.
SEC. 454. STORM WATER RUNOFF REQUIREMENTS FOR FEDERAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
PART IV--DEMONSTRATION PROJECT
SEC. 461. COORDINATION OF GOALS.
SEC. 462. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
TITLE V--CORPORATE AVERAGE FUEL ECONOMY STANDARDS
SEC. 501. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 502. AVERAGE FUEL ECONOMY STANDARDS FOR AUTOMOBILES AND CERTAIN OTHER VEHICLES.
SEC. 503. AMENDING FUEL ECONOMY STANDARDS.
SEC. 504. DEFINITIONS.
SEC. 505. ENSURING SAFETY OF AUTOMOBILES.
`Sec. 30129. Vehicle compatibility standard
SEC. 506. CREDIT TRADING PROGRAM.
SEC. 507. LABELS FOR FUEL ECONOMY AND GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
SEC. 508. CONTINUED APPLICABILITY OF EXISTING STANDARDS.
SEC. 509. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES STUDIES.
SEC. 510. STANDARDS FOR EXECUTIVE AGENCY AUTOMOBILES.
`Sec. 32917. Standards for Executive agency automobiles
SEC. 511. INCREASING CONSUMER AWARENESS OF FLEXIBLE FUEL AUTOMOBILES.
SEC. 512. PERIODIC REVIEW OF ACCURACY OF FUEL ECONOMY LABELING PROCEDURES.
SEC. 513. TIRE FUEL EFFICIENCY CONSUMER INFORMATION.
`Sec. 30123A. Tire fuel efficiency consumer information
SEC. 514. ADVANCED BATTERY INITIATIVE.
SEC. 515. BIODIESEL STANDARDS.
SEC. 516. USE OF CIVIL PENALTIES FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
SEC. 517. ENERGY SECURITY FUND AND ALTERNATIVE FUEL GRANT PROGRAM.
SEC. 518. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
SEC. 519. APPLICATION WITH CLEAN AIR ACT.
SEC. 520. ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE ACTION PLAN.
TITLE VI--PRICE GOUGING
SEC. 601. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 602. DEFINITIONS.
SEC. 603. PROHIBITION ON PRICE GOUGING DURING ENERGY EMERGENCIES.
SEC. 604. PROHIBITION ON MARKET MANIPULATION.
SEC. 605. PROHIBITION ON FALSE INFORMATION.
SEC. 606. PRESIDENTIAL DECLARATION OF ENERGY EMERGENCY.
SEC. 607. ENFORCEMENT BY THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION.
SEC. 608. ENFORCEMENT BY STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL.
SEC. 609. PENALTIES.
SEC. 610. EFFECT ON OTHER LAWS.
TITLE VII--ENERGY DIPLOMACY AND SECURITY
SEC. 701. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 702. DEFINITIONS.
SEC. 703. SENSE OF CONGRESS ON ENERGY DIPLOMACY AND SECURITY.
SEC. 704. STRATEGIC ENERGY PARTNERSHIPS.
SEC. 705. INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CRISIS RESPONSE MECHANISMS.
SEC. 706. HEMISPHERE ENERGY COOPERATION FORUM.
SEC. 707. NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL REORGANIZATION.
SEC. 708. ANNUAL NATIONAL ENERGY SECURITY STRATEGY REPORT.
SEC. 709. APPROPRIATE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES DEFINED.
SEC. 710. NO OIL PRODUCING AND EXPORTING CARTELS ACT OF 2007.
`SEC. 7A. OIL PRODUCING CARTELS.
SEC. 711. CONVENTION ON SUPPLEMENTARY COMPENSATION FOR NUCLEAR DAMAGE CONTINGENT COST ALLOCATION.
TITLE VIII--MISCELLANEOUS
SEC. 801. STUDY OF THE EFFECT OF PRIVATE WIRE LAWS ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMBINED HEAT AND POWER FACILITIES.

[HerbChestnut]

2. You do realize

It's the same concept as burning wood chips for electricity, which is a thing. Renewable energy comes in many forms, not just wind, solar, etc.

[boston bean]

5. You do realize Bernie voted for a tax break for the Billionaire ENERGY CORPORATIONS!

[HerbChestnut]

9. For reducing the amount of fossil fuels in their products

If you're going to give those guys tax breaks for anything, that's the way to do it.

[boston bean]

11. LOL! That's rich!

[HerbChestnut]

26. Look

I know you will criticize Bernie for anything, but let's be real here. This was a small way to lessen the impact of fossil fuels, and that's a good thing. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. It's what passes for clever

Apparently

[beam me up scottie]

34. Yeah the latest poutrage is even more desperate than usual.

It's not quite as big a fail as "Bernie the bankster" but it's close.

[MADem]

43. What's the difference between a dinosaur that has been converted to oil and a pig, cow or chicken

that is not quite as black and sticky? It's all dirty fuel. It poisons the air.

It doesn't "renew" anything save the bank accounts of the wealthy.

[HerbChestnut]

45. You can grow farm animals.

You can't grow dinosaurs.

[MADem]

48. Yeah? And they fart, and stink up the air, and destroy the environment.

We don't have to grow those dinosaurs. I remember people whining about "peak oil" when this site first fired up. Gee--how much is gas going for nowadays? Apparently our supply of dinosaurs and other crap ain't going to run out any time soon.

Why not stow the "growing" of anything for the purposes of driving around, and coming up with a new paradigm? One that is actually RENEWABLE and doesn't destroy the environment?

Bernie was throwing a bone with that vote. Make no mistake--he was dancing with the one what brung him.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/

[HerbChestnut]

50. Yup, and you lost me.

It's one thing to be critical of someone when you know what you're talking about, but to do so out of ignorance is just cowardly.

[MADem]

52. Look at you--you mouth off at me with insults, and I'm providing links.

I think we know who's slinging it here, and it ain't me. And ain't it special that some people are SO AFRAID to discuss an issue that they'll hit the alert button and go for the cheap, partisan hide?

Incredible.


"Cowardly?" Check your mirror--objects may be closer than they appear.

LOL!

Five of the top 20 givers to the DSCC in the 2006 election cycle were Wall Street firms, two were law firms and the rest were senators’ political committees. The top giver that year was Mrs. Clinton’s campaign committee, which gave $2 million. Goldman Sachs Group gave $685,050.
Mr. Sanders has also regularly attended the DSCC’s retreats, either during the winter in Florida or during summer on Martha’s Vineyard, including one as recently as July. Guests at the retreats are donors who have donated the maximum amount to the party, or raised more than $100,000. Many attendees are lobbyists, lawyers and members of the financial industry.
Similarly, at the 2008 Democratic National Convention, Mr. Sanders attended a luncheon with a group of roughly 30 senators and donors who had given the maximum to the DSCC for five years in a row, or a total of $500,000. The group was called the “Legacy Circle,” had been organized by New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, a Democrat, with the goal of enticing more donors to pass that threshold.
Several donors who have attended the retreats said Mr. Sanders fully participated in the events, including socializing, and didn’t take the opportunity to tell Wall Street lobbyists that, as he says on the stump, their industry’s business model is fraud.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/sanders-record-filings-show-benefits-from-super-pacs-links-to-wall-street-donors-1455300881?mod=e2fb&cb=logged0.11584180360659957

[beam me up scottie]

53. ^^^THIS^^^

[Warren DeMontague]

68. We should have a manhattan project to develop scalable fusion power.

unfortunately the only thing Hillary seems interested in calling for a Manhattan project to do is to make sure teenagers can't send encrypted snapchats to each other.

[jeff47]

78. Burning the pig, cow or chicken does not increase CO2 in the atmosphere.

Because the pig, cow or chicken was created from CO2 that was recently in the atmosphere.

[LittleBlue]

85. How did this not end the thread?

Don't people understand the difference between animals and burning petroleum stored within the earth?

[jeff47]

86. Because reality does not tell the story the poster wants to tell. (nt)

[MADem]

30. SHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

People think that he's saving the earth by adding this product to one that pollutes the air, and stretching the product sold by the billionaires so that they've got more of it to sell down the line....

They could make those dead cows into dog food, too. Of course, I don't think the dog food magnates have as much clout as the oil ones...

smh!!!

[kristopher]

83. Here are contents of bill. How would you have voted?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511252242#post80

[brush]

47. I'm trying to figure out how it's renewable

Don't you have to have live animals that have to be raise and fed to a viable size that yields enough fat to make it worthwhile to spend the money to get them to the right size.

The question is the energy you get from their fat worth more than the money spent raising them?

And also, an even larger, related question concerning animals-for-food production: Are the vast tracts of land used to raise animals for our huge appetite for their flesh worth it in the amount of environmental degradation wrought on our planet from the methane produced by these herds of belching animals?

Don't laugh, it's an actual thing.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. Currently lots of animal fat and plant oil which can convert to fuel is simply added to landfills...

The animals and the plants are already being raised, in some cases the oil already being made and even used. It can then be used yet again as fuel. It's a value added scenario. It's about using more fully that which we are already producing.

Advocating for no animal farming at all is fine, but I do not see the merit in arguing for waste.

[brush]

92. Thanks, just trying understand the economics of it.

[kristopher]

81. Look at the entire, very comprehensive bill and tell my how you would vote

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511252242#post80

[cali]

3. Lol. Desperation.

[PonyUp]

51. The desperation of Hillary fans is so deep it's laughable.

Where do they come up with these talking points?

[Bonobo]

4. Bernie is in the pocket of the powerful "Animal Fat" lobby.

[beam me up scottie]

7. Big Fat™!

[cali]

12. Oh shit

I can't stop laughing

[beam me up scottie]

15. I hear there's a lot of money in pork lard!

This newest meme is endlessly entertaining!

[Warren DeMontague]

6. NatGeo: Fat's Chance as a renewable diesel fuel

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/news/energy/2010/12/101222/animal-fat-tyson-renewable-fuel/

From algae and wood chips to grasses and solid waste, scientists are looking far and wide for the raw material that will yield a new generation of renewable fuel—a source that doesn't divert food into energy, and is abundant enough to make a significant dent in the oil market.

The world's largest meat company thinks the answer may have been congealing in its facilities all along: Animal fat.

Shit, Tyson foods is involved! you know them, they're old buds with the Clintons, right?

[boston bean]

8. Why do OIL COMPANIES PAYING ZERO IN TAXES MAKING BILLIONS IN PROFIT NEED THIS TAX BREAK?

[Warren DeMontague]

10. I'm not a math expert, but if they're already paying zero in taxes, then they dont.

Which makes supporting it all the better, because it is a net gain for the rest of us- and it might even give Tyson foods somewhere to put their waste besides the arkansas river system.

[boston bean]

14. It's all part of the net sum. He wants to condemn others for giving tax breaks to OIL COMPANIES he

needs to own up to his own votes.

They didn't need it.

Aren't we all in for a revolution here. Let's make them by the will of our voices do the right thing. That's what Bernie is all about.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. You seem tense.

Maybe your caps lock button is stuck?

[boston bean]

38. No not tense, just typing in Bernie style! LOL

[beam me up scottie]

13. It's an INCENTIVE TO GET THEM TO GO MORE GREEN.

What part of that do you not get, do you think they'll do it on their own?

[boston bean]

16. Shouldn't they?

That's his world outlook.

Enough is Enough, remember?

[beam me up scottie]

17. You tell me.

Will big energy companies invest in green technology without incentives?

[boston bean]

20. Enough is enough! They don't need more tax breaks from us.

I guess we can say that Bernie helped these Oil companies pay zero in taxes.

[beam me up scottie]

23. Why do you oppose green technology?

The only way to get energy companies to invest in new technology is to offer them incentives.

Do you think we can keep burning fossil fuels indefinitely?

[boston bean]

25. See where this gets us. I don't oppose green energy.

I am a very pure voter who OPPOSES tax breaks for OIL COMPANIES who PAY no TAXES and MAKE BILLIONS IN PROFITS EVERY YEAR.

[beam me up scottie]

27. So how do you expect those corporations to go more green, tell them to cut it out?

They already pay no taxes according to you so how can they pay less?

What's your plan?

[boston bean]

35. I was repeating verbatim Bernie. You do know that.

My plan is to not give tax breaks to the oligarchy that is ruining this great nation.

Said in my best Bernie voice!

[beam me up scottie]

36. Yeah, not working for you. Answer the question.

How do you expect those corporations to go more green without offering them incentives?

[boston bean]

40. They are already ripping us off. Offer them something else besides our $$

I can see you are starting to get an inkling here of what it's like try and shroud oneself in such goodness, because well. There was a downside to this that can be criticized.

[beam me up scottie]

44. Offer them what? What kind of incentive will get them to invest millions in new technology?

They have to pay for the modifications, how do you get them to do that willingly without monetary incentives?

[boston bean]

46. Lord knows they don't need the money. Offer them a stick instead of a carrot.

Anyhow, he voted to give these oil companies a tax break they DID NOT NEED on the backs of tax payers.

[beam me up scottie]

49. What do you mean? We can't penalize them for not investing in expensive new technology.

Wow.

You don't have the foggiest idea how industry works, do you?

No wonder you're so outraged over this.

Maybe you should do some homework and get back to me.

[boston bean]

54. We can't???????????? Woah!

[beam me up scottie]

55. No, we can't. You really should read more.

Oh and telling Wall Street to "cut it out" doesn't work either.

[boston bean]

58. And giving tax breaks to greedy corporations does work, ok?

[beam me up scottie]

60. Yes, it's an incentive to get them to spend millions in new technology.

I thought we went over this already?

[boston bean]

61. You are right we did. :)

[beam me up scottie]

62. Look, I don't like it either.

But unfortunately it is the only way to get them to look at other sources of energy.

I would love if if we could force them to pay taxes and spend some of their loot trying to wean themselves off fossil fuel but it doesn't work that way. The way the laws are written we don't have a stick to use, so we have to go with the carrot.

I think we can agree on some of that, right?

[retrowire]

63. God bless your patience for dealing with that circular logic for so long.

clearly, people don't want to hear the point, and you'll wear them out eventually. Bravo BMUS, Bravo.

[beam me up scottie]

64. Hey you!

Thanks, hope you and yours are doing well.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. No, you oppose senators running for the nomination whose TURN it isnt.

Lets be honest.

[boston bean]

42. Come on now. That's not fair! and NOT on topic.

[Warren DeMontague]

67. there's no topic here.

Oh my god he voted for an environmentally reasonable proposal to cut our dependence of foreign oil by using a readily available and renewable resource to supplement Diesel Fuel. Heavens, stop ye olde presses.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. We're owning up to votes, now?

Cool. How about this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1140849

[boston bean]

21. Yeah, why not?

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Why not vote to ban cluster munitions?

Oh, i dont know, basic human decency, the fact that small children regularly mistake those things for toys and get limbs blown off, that kind of thing.

[MADem]

56. Because stuffing factory farm animals--the least "green" way of raising livestock--into gas tanks is

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"green?"

smh....

Keep believing that if it makes you feel good. IOKIYABS!!!!

[beam me up scottie]

57. Oh it's you. The guy who said Bernie was in the pocket of Big Sugar™, Big Moo™ and now Big Fat™.

[MADem]

32. SHHHHHHH~~~~!!!!!!!

IOKIYABS....he always has the PUREST of motives, and never, ever gets into bed with the ones who provide him cash via the DSCC!!!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. It's not? Fuck.

[Ferd Berfel]

59. Willie NElson has been running his Bus on Animal fat for decades

No I have seen the legislation that you're referring to here. I wonder if the devil is in the details ?

[Warren Stupidity]

75. Well that's it. I'm throwing Willie's bus under the shark.

[cherokeeprogressive]

84. Way to jump the bus.

[Lordquinton]

65. Link?

I see no facts to go with this.

[azmom]

66. Fail. Try again later.

[AlbertCat]

69. I don't understand what this is even supposed to mean

It's as dumb as that thumbs up gesture.

[Fearless]

70. There's a difference between renewable and zero carbon energy sources.

But you know that.

If you cite the bill in question I'll show you why your candidate was wrong.

[Orsino]

71. Mine certainly is. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

72. What bill is that? The 2007 Energy Bill had lots of language about biofuels which is what people

call such fuels made of plant or animal oils and fats much of which is currently simple waste product. Both Hillary and Bernie voted for that, 'cow fat' and all. So did Senator Obama and all but 4 Democrats.

Some stuff about Biofuels in the Energy Bill and also the Farm Bill of 08 at the link. But the meme in the OP lacks details and seems suspect considering the fact that the Energy Bill is full of 'cow fat' language and all....

http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc94125/m1/1/high_res_d/RL34239_2008Jun27.pdf


I think if you want to talk about legislation, you need to cite the legislation specifically. Otherwise I'll just present you with this which is Hillary voting for cow fat fuel. Which she and I would call biofuel. Which is a valid area of study.

[Bluenorthwest]

74. Does the OP even know what bill this is supposed to be about?

Several people have asked.....

[Warren Stupidity]

77. No this current Camp Expedition is all about sink tossing.

[JonathanRackham]

79. Liposuction

Drill baby drill.

[Ron Green]

82. 2016 is a big test for America and we may yet fail it.

Right now there seems to be real momentum for a new political economy, but the forces that have gripped us for decades will not easily relinquish control.

[TubbersUK]

87. Fat's Chance as a Renewable Diesel Fuel

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/news/energy/2010/12/101222/animal-fat-tyson-renewable-fuel/

From algae and wood chips to grasses and solid waste, scientists are looking far and wide for the raw material that will yield a new generation of renewable fuel—a source that doesn't divert food into energy, and is abundant enough to make a significant dent in the oil market.

Dynamic Fuels aims to make a fuel quite different from the typical biodiesel alternative currently processed from soybeans. Soybean-based biodiesel has remained costly and is controversial in food security circles. And federal regulations prohibit its transport through most existing pipelines for fear it will mix with jet fuel. (Biofuel has been thought to degrade jet fuel, although industry studies now dispute that.)

Food-processing giant Tyson Foods, in partnership with the synthetic fuels research firm Syntroleum Corporation, has opened a plant in Geismar, Louisiana (map), that is testing the prospects for converting low-grade, inedible fats and greases into a renewable diesel fuel for transportation.

[div class="excerpt""It's all the best molecules from petroleum without the harmful ones," said Jeff Bigger, Syntroleum's senior vice president for business development.

The harmful compounds in petroleum absent from renewable diesel include benzene, which becomes an airborne carcinogen when burned. Renewable diesel also creates far fewer sulfur dioxide, particulate, and nitrogen oxide emissions. Bigger says the exhaust has a light waxy smell, like paraffin. And, renewable diesel is a low-carbon fuel, even when its emissions are measured from the slaughterhouse to the refinery to the vehicle. The California Energy Commission, which has measured the emissions of a wide variety of alternative fuels, says renewable diesel has 58 to 80 percent lower greenhouse gas emissions than petroleum diesel.

[kristopher]

88. It will probably find it's primary niche as a way to run farms

A farm is, by its nature, an energy factory. This particular energy factory has a high percentage of its need in portable fuel, so it's a natural fit as most of the personal transport market moves to battery electric vehicles.

[TubbersUK]

90. Hadn't thought of that, makes sense n/t

[Lucinda]

89. Good. Animal fat belongs on animals. n/t

[cyberswede]

91. How is it not renewable?