WOW! "Hillary is no friend of blacks"...but... "negros are getting in line"...

[snagglepuss]

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"I'm tired of being used"....."'This Clinton duo has devastated the Black community"..."You can draw a line from the evaporation of Black wealth back to deregulation of the Clinton years"


Those are the words Kathy Gray Yvette Carnell, Editor of yourblackworld.net


Icon John Lewis Knows on Which Side His Biscuit is Buttered on.

[thereismore]

1. Black people, like all people, are smart. She is one smart and brave lady. nt

[snagglepuss]

86. Ain't it odd that someone so compelling and articulate is never on M$M.

Of course it's not odd at all because she is fearless and doesn't kowtow.

[thereismore]

89. She doesn't play the game of fake collegiality and quid pro quo. nt

[guillaumeb]

2. "Tired of being used" says it all.

And these corporate Democrats are using voters.

[dana_b]

39. yes - and I think ALL politicians need to be careful of that

Talk to people, listen and see where they are coming from and what they need. Not just trot them out every once in a while as campaign bait.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

95. Exactly!!!!

[PatrynXX]

54. Yessa massa

yall just keep telling me what to do. getting tired of my own dad doing that. he pushes for welfare then whines about it hey yall started welfare who started it.. well the modern version. Reagan did smh. and right now Welfare is still racist. More WHITES (me)I'm not on it her perse than Blacks on on. Think I won't up long ago thanks to Olbermann etc that Conservadem is another term for Blue Dog witch is another term for the Racist Dixie Crats don't forget 1960's and before Democrats were racist to the hilt.

[noiretextatique]

91. good point. far more of them voted for bush than for nader in florida 2000

so-called democrats. but the always get a pass from the nader-haters.

[Thinkingabout]

3. Rep John Lewis did march in Selma, he got a concussion, it wasn't his only activity

In the civil rights movement. Was Sanders in the US in 1965?

When you say Hillary was a Republican this was in her high school years and the first time she could vote in a presidential election was 1968. Now on the other hand Sanders was a member of:

Political party
Liberty Union (Before 1979)
Independent (1979–2015)
Democratic (2015–present)

So if it was bad for Hillary to follow her father's lead but changed to Democratic before voting, how is it okay Sanders did not be on a Democrat until 2015. Hillary has been a Democrat for forty eight years. Sanders has not made one year.

Let's be fair on the facts.

[Punkingal]

4. Sanders was born here...what are you talking about?

[Thinkingabout]

15. What are you talking about, never said a word about where he was born.

[Punkingal]

18. You asked if he was in the US in 1965. What were you talking about?

[Cheese Sandwich]

25. Produce the birth certificate!

[Thinkingabout]

53. 1965 was the year of the Selma march on Edmund Pettus.

[Punkingal]

65. So what. He never said he was there.

[MrMickeysMom]

69. ((((( crickets )))))

[snagglepuss]

105. Crickets is right. What's odd is the absence of the usual suspects on this thread.

It would seem like this is a radioactive thread or maybe camp weathervane has decided it's best to ignore such a powerful woman.

[MrMickeysMom]

106. Well, snagglepuss, I can only speak from who I am...

I may have been around to witness much and know many different people in my 62 years as a white female, but this concerns me.

I don't think the other side ignores this type of declarative statement so easily. Sometimes when truth speaks so clearly to power, it produces corresponding acts that are pretty aggressive.

I guess fear isn't our friend... just a clear, persistent mantra.

[snagglepuss]

110. .

[Bluenorthwest]

19. Why are you asking if he was 'in the US'? That stinks.

My dog can hear your whistles.

[cali]

35. Yeah, that one was loud.

[JackRiddler]

48. He was in Moscow getting his World Communist Conspiracy agent training!

[CentralMass]

82. Now that's funny.

[Thinkingabout]

108. Was he in the US in 1965, if not it would be difficult to be marching on Edmund Pettus bridge in

1965.

[nichomachus]

5. So Bernie was "evolving" -- Hillary does it daily. Evolve to the right. Thento the left

And what does it matter whether he was in the US one year or not. What a stupid question. Was Bill Clinton in the US in 1968? If not, does that disqualify him from being president?

Gang Hillary must be sweating bullets. They are climbing deeper and deeper into the mud barrel.

[Thinkingabout]

14. The Selma march on the Edmund Pettus bridge occurred in 1965.

[sulphurdunn]

41. That is correct.

Neither Sanders nor Clinton were there. The point?

[LiberalArkie]

49. I was and so what. I was at the end of the line with the rest of the white boys getting beat up.

And you were where?

[Fuddnik]

55. I think I was in 8th grade.

[LiberalArkie]

56. I was in the 11th grade in south-south Arkansas. And got whooped worse when I got home.

[cui bono]

73. Why don't you just state the new 1965 talking point outright?

Why start with shyness now?

.

[Kalidurga]

6. What are you talking about?

Are you a party person or a principle person. If you are a principle person then why are you throwing around the dates of what parties Bernie belonged to as if that means something about his principles?

[Thinkingabout]

12. This in Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

[Bluenorthwest]

20. No, this is DU. You were asked why you are ranting about that and asking if he was in the US.

And you should answer.

[frylock]

7. Yeah, nobody cares about that shit.

Ask ten people on the street if they care how long Bernie has been a dem. I think there's MAYBE ten people here that won't shutup about it, but that's about it.

[arcane1]

101. It matters to those who treat politics like sports, where party is more important than principle

I'm glad I'm not one of them.

[Dragonfli]

8. I suggest wholeheartedly that you go to that young woman's comment section below the video

And tell HER that. Otherwise, Your just talking shit behind her back regarding what she had to say.

Don't be like that, go and tell her, so she has then opportunity to answer back. Anything else would be cowardly and hypocritical.

[Arazi]

9. You smear Sanders with a baseless insinuation (not in the US in 65)

When its documented he was in NY at that time

You say this and then have the temerity to state "Let's be fair with the facts"?!



Sooo desperate

[Thinkingabout]

11. He when to the kibbutz after he got his college degree in 1964, he moved to

Vermont in 1968.

[Arazi]

16. Lol

We can all see what you're trying to insinuate - that Bernie Sanders was at the "socialist" Israeli kibbutz when Lewis was doing his important work.

And that was incredibly brave work! Not even going to try to compare the two

But trying to insinuate that Sanders hasn't cared about Civil Rights since he wasn't in the US (hint hint), is pretty low

[cali]

36. Whistle louder.

[Kalidurga]

81. Wow I wonder if you blew on that dog whistle loud enough for the anti-Semites to hear?

[cui bono]

84. Oy vey...

But okay, I'll bite... so what does that mean?

.

[beam me up scottie]

10. What do you mean "was Sanders in the US"?

Tell me this isn't another birther meme.

[Ken Burch]

21. You know perfectly well Bernie was in the U.S. in 1965.

He was born here and never left here.

[Autumn]

23. " Was Sanders in the US in 1965?"

When can we expect a birther issue??? You just put out such a loud dog whistle my dogs heard it down in the family room.

Thinkingabout
3. Rep John Lewis did march in Selma, he got a concussion, it wasn't his only activity
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In the civil rights movement. Was Sanders in the US in 1965?

When you say Hillary was a Republican this was in her high school years and the first time she could vote in a presidential election was 1968. Now on the other hand Sanders was a member of:

Political party
Liberty Union (Before 1979)
Independent (1979–2015)
Democratic (2015–present)

So if it was bad for Hillary to follow her father's lead but changed to Democratic before voting, how is it okay Sanders did not be on a Democrat until 2015. Hillary has been a Democrat for forty eight years. Sanders has not made one year.

Let's be fair on the facts.

[Autumn]

50. I think that they are very smart and know exactly what they are doing. nt

[sulphurdunn]

24. Fascinating,

but what do these 'facts' have to do with the topic? By the way, where was Sanders outside of the US in 1965? Are you asking or is the question rhetorical?

[shawn703]

51. Party doesn't matter. Left or right does.

Hillary was and still is right-center. Sanders has always been left.

[billhicks76]

52. Wrong...Hillary Was President Of The College Republicans

She was a grown adult and the President of that group is always exceptionally vicious as I recall.

[Thinkingabout]

59. Here is the correct information

◾Former First Lady and former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was elected president of her College Republican chapter at Wellesley College in her freshman year before switching parties due to the war in Vietnam.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Republican

As a freshman in college in 1965-1966 she was not old enough to vote, at that time voting began at 21 years old.

[MrMickeysMom]

70. And WHAT does this have to do with your 1965 comment of Bernie Sanders?

... You know... The drive-by senseless comment made about Bernie Sanders for which you cannot explain in this thread?

What about that, Thinking about?

[billhicks76]

77. Like I Said She Was A Republican

And she didn't change until way later supposedly because of how her friend Rockefeller was smeared by Nixon. It was just a squabble amongst elites. She saw the tide turning and went with it like she did after 911. No moral high ground.

[Jarqui]

58. He was at the Univ of Chicago when Kennedy won the election in 1960

He was born in Brooklyn, NY. Left Chicago in 1964 with a degree in political science.

At Univ of Chicago, he joined a few student groups. An anti-Vietnam war one. CORE Congress on Racial Equality was another. He became chairman of CORE. He also had some involvement with Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) - maybe when they chartered a Freedom bus to the March on Washington in Aug 1963.

Hillary was president of the Young Republicans at Wellesley College after her Goldwater days. Then she interned in Washington for some Republicans. Somewhere along the way there, she started to think about things more liberally. I suspect it took her a little longer than she lets on because she remained affiliated with the Republicans for a while as an intern in Washington.

"how is it okay Sanders did not be on a Democrat until 2015"
He was an independent. In an ideal world, he'd probably prefer to run as an Independent. But he feared if he did, he could split the liberal vote and give the White House to the GOP. Agreeing with his point about splitting the vote, the Democrats allow him to run. His positions on issues are pretty liberal - left of where some of the party is.

[BlueMTexpat]

67. Most seem not to know or simply don't care

about the facts, let alone in being fair. Bernie is "cool" - Hillary is not. That's basically their bottom line.

Whatever her previous political affiliation, Hillary Clinton campaigned in Texas in 1972 for Senator George McGovern. She has been a Democrat since at least 1972 and has worked tirelessly for Democratic causes since then.

While in TX in 1972, she helped register Latino voters, among others. Texas in 1972 was not a friendly place for those who were trying to register Latinos. In some places, it may still not be safe. Since then, Hillary has been on the front lines literally everywhere, working for people and causes, even when and where it was physically dangerous for her.

In comparison, Bernie moved to rural Vermont in the late 1960s and didn't become politically active apart from a short period, mostly during his time at the University of Chicago until he ran for office in Vermont in 1971.

Per Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

Sanders began his electoral political career in 1971 as a member of the Liberty Union Party, which originated in the anti-war movement and the People's Party. He ran as the Liberty Union candidate for governor of Vermont in 1972 and 1976 and as a candidate for U.S. senator in 1972 and 1974. In the 1974 Senatorial race, Sanders finished third (5,901 votes; 4.1%) behind the victor, 33-year-old Chittenden County State's Attorney Patrick Leahy (D, VI; 70,629 votes; 49.4%), and two-term incumbent U.S. Representative Dick Mallary (R; 66,223 votes; 46.3%).

The 1976 campaign proved to be the zenith of Liberty Union's influence, with Sanders collecting 11,000 votes for Governor and the party forcing the races for Lieutenant Governor and Secretary of State to be decided by the state legislature when its vote total prevented either the Republican or Democratic candidates for those offices from garnering a majority of votes. The campaign drained the finances and energy of the Liberty Union, however, and in October 1977 – less than a year after the conclusion of the 1976 campaign – Sanders and the Liberty Union candidate for Attorney General, Nancy Kaufman, announced their retirement from the party.

In 1980, Bernie's political career gained traction and eventually got him to where he is today. It has been a good career. He has always been a liberal and taken admirable stands. But his experience has primarily been with and for Vermonters, who have been very fortunate to have him. Vermont is - unfortunately - not representative of the rest of the US, and certainly not nearly as nuanced or complex as the rest of the world. And yes, it was only after YEARS of refusing to run as a Democrat that Bernie finally joined the party - in 2015, only so that he could run for President.

Bernie has been an outstanding Senator. I very much hope that he remains in the Senate where voices like his are sorely needed. But Hillary is my first choice for US President, hands down.

[billhicks76]

85. President College Republicans

She was one and the president is always vicious and inane. I've met them all. Total scum. I won't say she was. All the college repub presidents were mentally ill men but this is not a badge of honor nor is it just an early adolescent transgression. Ms Rodham was elite money from the get go

[bvar22]

90. One MAJOR correction.

"In 1965, Rodham enrolled at Wellesley College, where she majored in political science. During her freshman year, she served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans;..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Her romance with the Republicans was more than just a "high school" fling.

"Let's be fair on the facts."

[Thinkingabout]

98. At least she has been a Democrat since 1968, she saw the light a long time ago, not everyone

found the right way this soon.

[bvar22]

99. Bernie stayed on the correct path as the Democratic Party lost its way,

and lurched far to the Conservative Right......during Reagan and Bill Clinton.
He made the correct decision in NOT following the ConservaDems over the cliff,
but continued to fight for traditional Democratic Party Values, which is WHY I joined the Democratic Party in the 60s....to advance the policies of FDR (New Deal), JFK, and LBJ (Great Society and Civil Rights.)

Bernie showed solid integrity and consistency over 40 years in NOT following the NeoLibs into Republican Trickle Down Free Trade, de-regulation HELL,
and for THAT, I congratulate him in NOT participating in the ongoing destruction of the New Deal and the Great Society.

[font color=firebrick size=3][center]"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone[/font][/center]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
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---bvar22
a mainstream-center FDR DEMOCRAT since the 60s,
who is more than delighted by the number of people waking up to the REALITIES of what passes for the "Democratic Party" today,
and not fearing to point out what has been obvious to those paying attention for over 4 decades.

[arcane1]

102. Today's memo is a return to the "loyalty oath" scheme.

"He's not really a progressive, or he would've been a Dem all this time!!11"

[Thinkingabout]

104. On whose authority have you based the decision the Democrat Party has lost its way, did

you poll all of its members?

[TheFarS1de]

96. That reminds me ...

I have to get my dog washed . It it wasn't for your "concern" I may have forgotten about it thanks . How low can you go ? We will wait and see . What is your actual point apart from the obvious smearing ?

[DefenseLawyer]

13. I still remember in 2008 when Hillary said LBJ deserved more credit than MLK

for progress on Civil Rights. That, rightly, pissed a lot of people off at the time. Candidate Obama called the comments "unfortunate" and "ill-advised". http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/13/AR2008011303624.html

Her blatant race baiting campaign of 2008- Hardworking white Americans won't support him; Jesse Jackson won South Carolina, twice; Did you sell drugs to anyone?- is all water under the bridge I guess.

[snagglepuss]

17. All the comments at below the video agree with her so no it's not water under the bridge

I have to wonder about the polling, whether the pollsters are reaching those without landlines

[maindawg]

22. The repubs have been telling us for years

The Dems are using you. They keep you down. You keep voting for the D and what has that gotten you? They might be be right

[sulphurdunn]

28. Maybe, but there's no doubt who the repugs work for.

[Le Taz Hot]

34. They're working for the exact same people

the Establishment Dems are working for.

[sulphurdunn]

38. That's the difference.

There are some non-establishment democrats. At least I hope there are.

[SheenaR]

40. This ^

It should be a diary of its own

[arcane1]

103. With the same donor list n/t

[KingFlorez]

37. All that is missing is a plantation comment

This sort of logic makes me ill.

[6chars]

64. that's right, listen to the Repubs

which party elected an AA president? oh yeah, us.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. I posted that the day it ran thoguh my FB feed

it ran with many others. But that was the best of the bunch. My deep appreciation for this person.

[kenn3d]

27. More feedback on the John Lewis testimony

CHS from Facebook7 hours ago
People, this is not the same man who fought for equality back in the Civil Rights era. John Lewis is a proud sell-out! He has been like this ever since he decided to not carry on MLK's legacy. Money has taken over John's mind, and he ran off to kiss the feet of his ruling elite masters. He can brag about what he did in the past all he wants, but he surely is not doing anything to help the common people in this poor excuse of a nation. He should never joined one of the corporate parties (the Democratic Party) in the first place!!! John and the Black caucus are all disgraceful sell-outs!

[Dont call me Shirley]

29. K & R, Kathy and snagglepuss.

[KingFlorez]

30. I get in line for no one

But apparently there are some like this "commentator" who believe that black voters are sheep that can easily be led.

[Fumesucker]

33. Not "led", rather "brought to heel"

[mountain grammy]

62. "bring them to heel"

that's a nasty phrase. Yeah, I remember that shit. That kid over there just bought a joint, bring him to heel, lock him up.

[chervilant]

68. You know,

I never heard that awful phrase, "super predator," until Hi11ary said it.


It was disgusting when she said it, and it is STILL disgusting.

[snagglepuss]

109. It's hard to understand why that one thing isn't a deal breaker. nt

[sulphurdunn]

44. I think the commentator

makes it clear that the Clintons seem to think so.

[Oilwellian]

57. Isn't BLM saying they will no longer be taken for granted?

Aren't they telling Democratic candidates that their vote has to be earned? Don't assume it's an automatic?

[amborin]

31. She speaks the truth, and the truth is powerful!

[cui bono]

76. Don't you think they meant the woman in the video?

.

[2banon]

78. hmm. did i misread that post. perhaps.

let me check back with a huge apology if that's the case. thanks for pointing it out cui bono.

[2banon]

79. you're right cui bono, I misread response. my bad.

so i self deleted and thank you again.

[cui bono]

83. No problem. It happens to the best of us.

I can totally see you thinking someone would say that.

.

[ejbr]

32. Well said! n/t

[bettyellen]

42. She has to go back to Reagan to find a president as bad as Clinton? Wow.

Also, WTF was that mocking Lewis's voice about?

[AzDar]

45. K & R

[joanbarnes]

60. Brilliant. The white people also agree.

[navarth]

61. Boom! This and Spike Lee on the same day....priceless.

and add that some of the flailing posts trying to discredit her....even better.

[George II]

63. Ironic: "How long can you rest your laurels on something that happened 50 years ago?"

[SciDude]

71. Kathy Gray Yvette Carnell is spot-on

and I think her analysis is excellent. I does appear that the Clinton's are calling in all outstanding political debts and trying to ram thought this notion that she is pro-minority. Apparently, she's running as the "first Black woman president."

It's pretty disgusting if you ask me.

[Major Hogwash]

72. So true.

And sad.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

74. Funny how white people expect black leaders to "control their people".

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

88. Uh-huh! Yep.

[SixString]

75. DU Rec.

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

80. Clinton's firewall seems to be berning...

More importantly,
it's inspiring to watch so much truth being spoken to power.


Thank you for posting.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

87. Yvette Carnell hates Obama. She rants and raves about how much she dislikes him.

She's right on Hillary Clinton, but she's another Cornel West when it comes to the president.

I like her on some race issues, but her anti-Obama stance does nothing for me.

[noiretextatique]

93. some black people do not like Obama

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

94. Yeah, I know, but the issue here is that she lacks credibility because she allows

her personal animus to get in the way of critical thought. There's thoughtful criticism and then there's downright hate. No thanks.

[noiretextatique]

92. mainstream democrats are hostile to class analysis

but it is clear to me that sanders' best shots at picking up black votes are with young and working-class voters. they aren't as infatuted with clinton, or lewis, or the cbc, and cornel west is not their boogeyman. people who are struggling are not offended by bernie's economic message. nor does staying course offer them any hope.

[bvar22]

97. I would love to see a post here detailing exactly what ANY Clinton...

...has EVER done to help PoC.

PoC were much worse off AFTER Bill Clinton's Administration.

*Welfare Deform

*Mass Incarcerations

*Draconian mandatory sentencing, even for non-violent offenders

*The Biased against PoC "Drug War

*Privatized Prisons

*Free Trade, which destroyed those at the low end of the SES


I have been unable to fathom WHY PoC "owe" the Clintons anything.

[snagglepuss]

100. That should be a OP. What in her track record shows that she has

ever gone the distance for PoC?

[DirtyHippyBastard]

107. I, too, have often pondered this very question...

and have yet to get any substantive answer.

[snagglepuss]

111. Kick