2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSooooooooo.....if Hillary leads with blacks, Hispanics, women, gays, black millennials and non white
... poor.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_20416.pdf (page 43 and 45)
Who is Sanders left with?!
Could it be this Sanders thing is LESS of a revolution and more like a temper tantrum from the
.....establishment?
Your take?
tia
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Lets wait for the voting, shall we?
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)The Sanders campaign and the movement behind it, is an instrument of "the establishment". Is that what I am reading?
Because that's what I'm reading.... Gotta go update my post on Talking Points of the Day
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... and the establishment is well outlined no?
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)and saw right through your bullcrap.
Who does he have left? I don't know. Why is he running even in Nevada? Why does he have the greatest fund-raising operation in American History? Why is Clinton going more and more negative every day if she has it in the bag?
You are right.. He has nobody. We surrender...
This crap is getting old fast.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Enough of a coalition to win the primaries.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... Latinos are breaking any any numbers to Sanders.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/19/bernie-sanders-gains-on-hillary-clinton-in-a-new-poll-but-its-not-all-good-news-for-him/
Millienal PoC are out for Sanders also, they are hard lean Hillary... don't know numbers on Asians
That's why I asked who's' left for sanders other than the establishment
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Bernie only lost PoC by 1% in NH, and almost surely won the millennials in that group. Not a hard lean for Hillary at all.
We will see in Nevada whose left for Bernie, I think he will make big gains with Hispanics- they are the key swing group.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I don't think so.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... you know that right?
tia
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/live/new-hampshire-primary-2016-election/bernie-sanders-wins-every-demographic-group/
Senator Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton among nearly every demographic group in the Democratic New Hampshire primary, according to exit polls.
He carried majorities of both men and women. He won among those with and without college degrees. He won among gun owners and non-gun owners. He beat Mrs. Clinton among previous primary voters and those participating for the first time. And he ran ahead among both moderates and liberals.
Even so, there were a few silver linings for Mrs. Clinton. While Mr. Sanders bested her among all age groups younger than 45, the two candidates polled evenly among voters aged 45 to 64. And Mrs. Clinton won the support of voters 65 and older. And, though Mrs. Clinton lost nearly every income group, she did carry voters in families earning over $200,000 per year.
LexVegas
(6,094 posts)ram2008
(1,238 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... they have good reason no?
tia
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Obama lost NH to Hillary by 3 points, Bernie won by 22. Obama won Iowa, they tied.
Bernie does better with whites, younger voters, and those making less money than Obama did. Obama did better with affluent people and Blacks compared to Bernie.
Bernie will be more competitive in Appalachia, the northeast and rust belt and less competitive in the south. The difference however this time, will depend on which way latinos swing, because if they go toward Bernie that put the entire southwest in play and all the big states. If Bernie over performs Obama with hispanics, he will win.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... I'm talking about polling numbers and not won or lost states.
Latinos lean hard (by less than 8 points than AA's) towards Clinton right now... the Latino swing is a MSM meme and doesn't have any credibility behind it right now.
There's no marginalized dem demographic that's going towards Sanders other than white young
redwitch
(14,947 posts)And joyfully supporting Bernie Sanders in 2016.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)And it's quite clear that Bernie is not an establishment candidate and Hillary IS.
TacoD
(581 posts)On Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:23 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
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uponit7771
(90,364 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and baiting. I'd never hide that, I like that mottled ass to show proudly though those chaps. Let the whole world see what you are saying and especially how you say it.
You do not speak for LGBT and when speaking of us as a political cohort please do not exclude large parts of our community by saying 'gays'. If you are going to carry on as if you are some Voice of All Minorities you need to get your verbiage into a respectful and inclusive place.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She's losing ground with blacks and Latinos. Her true firewall appears to be over 65 and over $200,000 income. IDK what polling is on LBGT, probably strongly Clinton despite her 'evolving' only recently.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... nationally and in SC.
The race is tigtening, Sanders is going to get some of the 10 - 15% uncommitted .. that's a given
I don't know what's up with the NV polls, there's usually no 5050 splits like that
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)That pool had leading questions which nor competent poll organization would ever include. But it's being used because there are no other recent poll for the state. I guess we will have to wait till we get a decent poll to know what's going on in that state.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... model
Fearless
(18,421 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)This is a very silly and presumptive OP.
Fail!
jillan
(39,451 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... and people who are engaged learning a lot.
That's a good thing
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Internet debate rule #1: When you don't like a substantive post, but have no facts to argue against its contents, act dismissive and say something cool, like "fail!"
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)You want I should go on?
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Not without a significant chunk of support, but doesn't have the coalition needed to win.
jillan
(39,451 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Pages 43 - 45
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_20416.pdf
Clinton leads with women by 35 point and even with whites...
My bad....
Maybe it's too early
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)poll of how inevitable she was? How did that work out?
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... hell does that mean she's inevitable?
tia
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)I know this was one of the talking points for today, but do you guys even listen to yourselves? It's as if your are trying to destroy all credibility.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I suppose that will be of some small comfort for you when President Sanders is being sworn in.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Vinca
(50,304 posts)(Think superdelegates.) Hillary's problem is in the general. She leads in the dishonesty polls . . . even among Democrats. My prediction is she doesn't win in November and you all blame it on Bernie.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)For all of your categories
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)Don't believe what your idiot box tells you. If you that desperately want it to be true, then you need to realize Hillary is not a progressive. She may have called herself a liberal at on time, but her voting record says anything but.
Good luck with your mission and GO BERNIE!
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Pages 43 and 44
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_20416.pdf
Data is good no?
smiley
(1,432 posts)I'm not buying it.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)Over samples? Only 80% landlines? High ranked in what?
Come on man. I told you I'm not buyin.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)We've had two states so far and both were supposed to be in Hillary's column but guess what neither did. One was a landslide against her and the other had to have some shenanigans with coin tosses to even break even. No I'm not worried about Bernie Sanders at all. He'll be your and my next President, hide and watch. Get on board or don't it matters not as we'll do it without your help.
The issues that Bernie is talking about is issues that Americans care about and thats why we're going to him in droves. He's saying exactly what I've been saying for years
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Hillary Clinton?
71% Favorable
22% Unfavorable
8% Not sure
Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Bernie Sanders?
59% Favorable
23% Unfavorable
18% Not sure
Conclusion: Of those who have an opinion of the candidates, Clinton is viewed more favorably
..........................................................
Democratic Primary Vote
Hillary Clinton: All 53% Women 60% Men 44%
Bernie Sanders: All 32% Women 25% Men 42%
Not Sure: Alll14% Women 15% Men 14%
Conclusion: The men are splitting their votes between Clinton and Sanders, but the women are going overwhelming for Clinton.
........................................................................
Democratic Primary Vote
Hillary Clinton: All 53% Hispanic 48% White 46% Black 82% Other 51%
Bernie Sanders: All 32% Hispanic 36% White 38% Black 8% Other 40%
Not sure: All 14% Hyspanic16% White 16% Black 10% Other9%
Conclusion: Clinton is beating Sanders in every category, but Clinton is an amazing 72% ahead among blacks.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... and that's it...
Just wow...
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)And it still not going anywhere fast.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Hint: Not so well. Kinda indicates their voter model may not be the best this year. But you're treating it as rock-solid.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)"Other people are as wrong as we are" isn't exactly the argument you want to make.