Hillary's Huge Lead Among Black Millennials

[bigtree]

64 percent of millennial black voters said they are backing Hillary Clinton

While Sanders has drawn a significant portion of his support from the youngest voting bloc (under the age of 30), just 25 percent of millennial black voters said they are supporting the Vermont senator, compared with 64 percent who said they are backing Clinton. The reverse is true among white millennials, who support Sanders 75 percent to 22 percent.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/2016-poll-who-is-ahead-219312

[Jefferson23]

1. Original title: National poll: Sanders closing the gap with Clinton

[bigtree]

2. that's not what I wanted to highlight

...correct titles is for LBN.

This forum is for discussing our interests. Highlight what you want and I'll highlight and promote what interests me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Here is the graphic. I am not remotely surprised. The data confirms the eye test, i.e, what I see...

[floriduck]

52. If you total those, Bernie is at

100% and Hillary is at 86%. Is that what you wanted to show?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Huh

floriduck (726 posts)
52. If you total those, Bernie is at

100% and Hillary is at 86%. Is that what you wanted to show?

[Jefferson23]

6. I pointed out what the original OP title is, my prerogative. n/t

[basselope]

4. And closing it very fast!

[Jefferson23]

7. We're working hard for Bernie and will continue to close enough gaps to win, yep. n/t

[uponit7771]

18. Not fast enough for end of primary

[Jefferson23]

21. That remains to be seen, there is definitely work to do, no one denies that, not that I'm

aware of anyway.

[basselope]

82. If he comes within 10 points that is a massive loss for Clinton

between 10-20 is a tie... over 20 is a,clinton victory

If Bernie wins it outright Clinton needs to suspend her campaign.

[jillan]

3. You conveniently left out this part:

The reverse is true among white millennials, who support Sanders 75 percent to 22 percent.

So overall Sanders is still beating Hillary in the millennial voting bloc....

but please continue to race bait by dividing people up by the color of their skin.

[bigtree]

9. why this result matters

...is that in many states, Hillary has parity with Sanders among white millennials. That provides a challenge for Sanders to appeal to this voting bloc.

It's always interesting to me, as a black man, when we get criticized and accused of racism for just mentioning race. I find your complaint offensive and self-serving to your own indifference toward black representation and electoral importance in these elections.

[jillan]

35. What color is my skin? Do you even have a clue? That's my point.

Are you assuming I'm white? Maybe I'm a Latina. Maybe I am Native American. Quite possibly I am Korean. It just might be that I am a mixed race. You have no clue what I look like.

The only thing you know about me is that I am a woman & I support Bernie & if you read my posts you might know I live in Arizona.

The color of my skin is irrelevant.
Just as it was in 2008, 2012 and every single election before that, and every single election that is yet to come.



So tell me - just whom is being offensive?

[bigtree]

40. skin color aside

...your response to me was offensive.

The rest of what you wrote is projection, pure and simple. Nothing in the op deserved your response to me.

[uponit7771]

19. Do you think this post could be offensive? How is stating facts offensive? tia

[Fumesucker]

8. More and more it looks like some former O'Malley supporters were running a ruse

[bigtree]

11. O'Malley's no longer in this race. Am I just supposed to fold into your camp

...or do I have any free choice in the view of the Sanders camp here?

NO ONE can deny that I supported O'Malley here with heart and soul. You need to find something to do other than smear people who don't express total fealty to your choice in this election.

THIS is the FACE I see of the Sanders campaign here; vindictive, bitter, and navel-gazing. No one should wonder why I'm not associating myself with this tragedy for this board.

[Fumesucker]

14. I found yet another frantic 2016 Hillary supporter today who equally trashed her in 2008...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x114882

Post #13

See how she talks about how the story so "HURT" her inside? She PLAYS to the audience.

This is why she lies and distorts so much. She works very hard to PLAY to the particular audience she is with. (If it's New Yorkers, she is a "lifelong Yankee fan." If it's a group of women, she turns into the "loving mother whose own daughter was in danger on 9/11." If it's the end of a debate, she "is honored to be with Barack Obama." If it's in Ohio, then "shame on you Barack Obama." etc. etc.) She wants so much to appear "human" because so many people feel she is so cold. You just don't know which Hillary you are going to get on any given day or at any given moment. I wonder if she suffers from multiple personality syndrome.

[bigtree]

20. go argue that with that supporter

...If you believe that's going to serve your interests here.

I think your effort in this is backbiting, counterproductive to any campaign, and self-defeating.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Two questions, please.

1) What is the nexus between RBinMaine and bigtree?

2) What is your basis for questioning bigtree's sincerity?


Thank you in advance.

[MrMickeysMom]

69. oHoooHH Myyyyy!

How the worm turns!

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. +1. Well stated. Eom.

[FSogol]

59. Total f'ing nonsense.

Um, nice job I guess.

[Skwmom]

10. That is a NATIONAL poll. n/t

[JonLeibowitz]

79. Yep -- polling in SC shows quite another tale. Whistling past the graveyard...n/t

[el_bryanto]

12. So as a supporter of Bernie Sanders, what takeaway should I be taking from this fact?

What is the argument that you are putting forward?

Bryant

[bigtree]

13. did you bother to read the thread?

...in upcoming races, this voting bloc is going to be instrumental to victory.

Isn't that obvious?

[el_bryanto]

24. So it's basically an argument that Hillary will win because she has the Black Millennials vote?

OK - thanks for clarifying.

Bryant

[bigtree]

26. so you didn't read

...I'll re-cap.

This is an area where Sanders is deficient. The discussion of the importance of 'millenials' ignores the importance of this bloc of black voters, especially in the upcoming races.

I definitely didn't say anything as banal and inane as you suggest.

[el_bryanto]

30. So it's more a commentary on Sanders lack of appeal for black millennials?

That his campaign is deficient, as you say, in appealing to young black millennials? Is this primarily an electoral concern (i.e. he'll have a hard time winning) or does it point to a deeper flaw in Sanders and his campaign?

Bryant

[bigtree]

41. it's a specific observation and I'm relating it to the upcoming races

...where this bloc could make a difference in the vote.

This is definitely an area where the Sanders campaign has been struggling against Hillary. It's not for Sanders lack of trying to impart his record and proposals. It may just be a case where she just has more appeal.

[6chars]

46. black millenials have to worry about their future

[el_bryanto]

48. Yes - that's certainly true. But don't most people? nt

[6chars]

51. some less so

[el_bryanto]

55. Ah - I guess I'm not sure I understand - are you saying that White Millennials who support

sanders are well of rich kids who don't really have to worry about the future?

Bryant

[hack89]

17. That the black vote is critical to upcoming primaries

especially in states where they are majority of primary voters. If Bernie and Hillary split the white vote than the black vote will tip the scales towards Hillary.

[Matt_in_STL]

27. Your logic is faulty

According to the story and the graphic above, Bernie has a much larger lead in white millenials than Hillary has with black millenials. So, if we are to believe the theory that this post posits, that black millenials will swing the election the direction of Hillary, wouldn't the graphic actually show that white millenials will swing the election toward Bernie, as they are a larger voting block and there is a wider gap in support?

[hack89]

44. Not black millennials - black voters

and not white millennials but white voters. Should have been clearer - sorry.

and secondly, we are talking about primaries. In many southern primaries black voters out number white voters. And older, more conservative white voters outnumber white millennials. That is why SC is critical - it is the first true indication of the breadth of Bernie's support.

[lunamagica]

64. No, your logic is faulty

You talk as if only millennials are voting in the primaries

[Matt_in_STL]

70. The post is regarding millenials

I responded regarding millenials, per the post. If you want to stray from topic maybe a new OP is in order?

[lunamagica]

71. Yes, but you talked as if they by themselves would decide the election. They do not

[Matt_in_STL]

74. No, not at all

I was contrasting the discussion in the thread by Hillary supporters suggesting this would turn the tide toward Hillary when in fact it isn't the case at all when you look at the overall picture of millenial voters.

[lunamagica]

76. OK

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. And?

There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche

[bigtree]

22. this is an area where the Sanders campaign is behind the Clinton effort

...on this political forum, it's relevent to me to highlight this important and possibly decisive political bloc of black voters and their importance in the upcoming contests.

I can understand if that's not a primary interest of yours.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. Is it as relevant to you as the progressive bloc? The overall millenial bloc? The Independent

voter bloc?

Sure, it's interesting in the sense of turnout in the GE. But, no more interesting than the other blocs.

[bigtree]

29. it's all relevant to me

...I'm just taking the time to highlight this important element in the upcoming races. At least I believe it will be an important element.

I'm not understanding what problem you actually have with highlighting this disparity in support between candidates.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. I don't have a problem with the stats.

I have a problem with what I believe to be your motivation in posting them.

[bigtree]

42. you have no standing to believe I have some wrong motive in posting this

...but that's obviously not stopping you from attempting to smear me in this thread.

Inspiring stuff.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

60. What smear?

I'm questioning your motives.

[bigtree]

61. yet not accepting my answers

...leaving the impression that you believe there's something wrong with my motives.

This is a low blow from you, of which I'm not entirely certain of your own motivation. So, there's that.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. My motivation is to disagree with your perception with your interpretation of the statistics.

Are you saying that 75% of black millennials won't vote for Sanders if he's nominated? Sure sounds like it.

[bigtree]

66. I don't believe that

...I think the overwhelming mass of our party's voters will unify behind either of these candidates, as in other contentious elections.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

68. Good. Neither do I.

[uponit7771]

16. Boom goes the dynamite !!! So Sanders coalition is almost all white!!!!

[Matt_in_STL]

28. And Hillary's is almost all black

I'm trying to figure out why race is continually injected into this when it shouldn't be an issue. If you wanted to bring race into it, based on the article, Bernie has a greater lead in white millenials than Hillary has in black millenials. With white millenials being a larger voting bloc, wouldn't that lean toward Bernie having the advantage?

Or, why don't we leave race out of it and just count Democratic voters?

[bigtree]

31. race is important in this case

...because of the wide gap in support between candidates in these polls.

It's interesting to me because of the importance of the millenial vote (a point often made by Sanders supporters) and the impact that divide might have on upcoming races in states with wider diversity than the last two contests.

[uponit7771]

32. No its not but its funny how the establishment is supporting the anti establishment candidate

[uponit7771]

36. Also, Sanders injected race into with Bigga (Obama is a master) and West (Obama is n-word-izzed)

... when he decided to have them affilated with his campaign right?!?1

tia

[Matt_in_STL]

43. By accepting endorsements from prominent black figures he brought race into the primary?

So if he doesn't have endorsements from blacks it's because he is not accepted by the black community but if he gets black endorsements he is injecting race into the primary. I'd love to see the quote where Bernie pointed out their race.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. That is incorrect

Matt_in_STL
28."And Hillary's is almost all black..."

Res ipsa loquitur:

[Matt_in_STL]

45. Talking about the millenials as shown in the article and the graph above

According to the data presented, Bernie is supported by 75% of white millenials. If you are going to say Hillary has this sewn up because of her 64% support by black millenials the logic is faulty.

The data you posted is the overall numbers and has nothing to do with what has been posited in the article or the commentary above.

[DemocraticSocialist8]

33. I don't believe this at all

I don't know any young Blacks supporting Hillary. I think these polls are cooked.

[uponit7771]

38. Sanders lost IA PoC by 25% after he spent 3 months there so I don't think this assessment is

...correct looking at the facts.

HRC has had an imperfect relationship with CoC for decades... she hasn't just come trying to start a relationship, she's been there

[tularetom]

39. As a purely statistical matter

Whites comprise 65% of the US population, blacks 12%.

So really it makes very little difference who millennial black voters prefer. 64% of 12% is a hell of a lot less than 75% of 65%.

I'm not advocating that anybody vote along racial lines. I'm just pointing out that if they did it would not work out well for Sec. Clinton.

[uponit7771]

47. The OP is illuminating the point that Sanders coalition is nearly all white which to me is salient

... seeing that whites in America are the current establishment in power and the marginalized and non establishment support HRC...

Women, gays, blacks, Hispanics and non white poor...

Sanders leads in the same coalition Clinton lost with in 08

[tularetom]

56. Good luck with that in the general election

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. You are missing a key point.

While they are 12% of the population most of them are Democrats:





therefore they represent nearly three out of every ten Democratic primary votes.

And the most salient fact of all is Lyndon Johnson was the last Democrat to win a plurality or majority of the white vote in a general election. That suggests in the absence of overwhelming support from non-whites a Democrat will never again win a presidential election.

[1StrongBlackMan]

81. And, not to put too fine a point on it ...

the numbers are exacerbated (or amplified, depending on one's point of view) by the increasing voter participation rate among Black voters versus the falling rate among white voters.

[Persondem]

50. Nice to see some young folks have some sense. Thank you for posting. K & R nt

[BlueMTexpat]

53. Thanks for the post,

bigtree!

[uponit7771]

63. This data is a bombshell imho... it intimates Sanders coalition is mostly white males and ticked off

... off young folk.

[hoosierlib]

58. And her lead is only because of name recognition...

Given time and the facts, they will change their minds...

[Prism]

62. People who seek change but vote status quo

Will receive precisely what they ask for.

[bigtree]

67. 'status quo'

... should relate to the entire democratic process, not just elections.

I think responsibility should be taken for the prospect for enactment of the promises these candidates make. Virtue doesn't lie just with those who talk the talk, but falls to those who have an effective plan for delivering results.

Certainly reasonable people can disagree on those prospects for success of these candidates' agendas.

[Prism]

72. It's very simple

People who vote for Hillary will get Hillary.

And my sympathy for the inevitably ensuing complaints will be nonexistent.

[Motown_Johnny]

73. Then explain this:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/12/msnbc-talks-with-black-voters-in-sc-cant-find-hillary-supporters/

^snip^

MSNBC Talks With Black Voters In SC, Can’t Find Hillary Supporters


MSNBC’s Joy Reid went out in Columbia, S.C. Friday to talk to black voters, and despite claims from the Clinton campaign that the community strongly supports her, not one of the voters Reid interviewed supported Hillary.

While many have spoken of a generational gap within black voters and the candidate of their choice, an older undecided voter Reid spoke to said, “my decision will be based on the younger people, what will benefit them.

[bigtree]

75. so you believe she has no black supporters as Reid suggests?

...or you just can't find any?

[Motown_Johnny]

77. I believe she has less than the campaign claims.

The OP showed a national poll and I linked to information only about South Carolina, so it is understandable that there are discrepancies.


Of course she has some support, just not as much as they like to claim. She isn't inevitable. She is the front runner, but that is all.

[kath]

78. And explain this (guess you missed it)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511238054
Black Lawmakers & Their Staffers Split On Bernie Sanders

And be sure to read Maxine Waters's comment in the first post in the thread.

[bigtree]

83. there's a diversity of opinion among black voters

...polling, though, has consistently shown Hillary as a strong favorite over Sanders in the black community.

Rep. Waters might have waited to actually hear what was said before chastising her colleagues (who, I suspect, she invariably agrees with), instead of relying on the word of 'onlookers.'

At any rate, she'll have the opportunity to set the record straight as she sets out to campaign for Hillary along with this impressive contingent of women from the Congressional Black Caucus:

Among the African American female members of the Congressional Black Caucus that will campaign for Hillary Clinton, according to the campaign, are the following: Congresswoman Alma Adams, North Carolina; Congresswoman Karen Bass, California; Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, Ohio; Congresswoman Corrine Brown, Florida; Congresswoman Yvette Clarke, New York; Congresswoman Bonnie Watson Coleman, New Jersey; Congresswoman Donna Edwards, Maryland; Congresswoman Marcia Fudge, Ohio; Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton, Washington DC; Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas; Congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson, Texas; Congresswoman Robin Kelly, Illinois; Congresswoman Brenda Lawrence, Michigan; Congresswoman Gwen Moore, Wisconsin; Congresswoman Stacey Plaskett, New York; Congresswoman Terri Sewell, Alabama; Congresswoman Maxine Waters, California and Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, Florida.