2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie has been in Congress for DECADES. Where was the "revolution" in all those years?????
He had PLENTY of time to start and build a meaningful national movement for the last two decades. Where was it? Why only now?
Is he really building a true movement akin to the women's suffrage movement, civil rights movement, workers rights movement, etc.? Where is the movement infrastructure and apparatus to make sure that if he is elected it will actually be there to do something? It is one thing to talk the talk. It is another to walk the walk.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'd like to see some evidence that he can manage a revolution
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)The pieces have come together at this time.
Reading can be your friend.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)reading can be your friend - really - try it!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Really - there is lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was talking about HIS ABILITIES. I go to school do not need another professor. They love my lectures.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)seek and you will find
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)search - characteristics of a revolutionary leader
50,000,000 hits
Find the common elements
When you have worked on that a while call me up - then we will move to step two.
OK?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)It seems that you might need much more help. Would you like me to help you?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am reminded of the Peter Principle
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)I am very willing to walk you through some of the basics.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)It is really not that difficult.
Come on let"s explore - right here - together - and show those interested DUers what we can find out about revolutionary leaders and how that relates to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
We could be very helpful to some people.
Please Please Please
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)I will be waiting...
dchill
(38,532 posts)You are so very patient, and boy, can you stay on message! Kudos!
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)I am still waiting.
Where are you?
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)we managed a fucking revolution!
Great video!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)he still had hair and nice sweaters then
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #10)
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Where was Bernie and the revolution when occupy was active?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)By John Nichols
OCTOBER 5, 2011
The Occupy Wall Street movements political breakthrough came Wednesday, as leaders of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus joined Senator Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, in endorsing the burgeoning national challenge to corporate greed and corrupt politics.
On a day that saw thousands of union members, community activists and supporters of New Yorks Working Families Party rallied in solidarity with the New York protests, Congressman John Larson, the Connecticut Democrat who is the fourth-ranking member of the partys House Caucus announced that, The silent masses arent so silent anymore.
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Similar signals came from key members of Congress.
Not surprisingly, it was Sanders who offered the most full-throated support of the movement. At the Campaign for Americas Future Take Back America conference, he declared: We have the crooks on Wall Street, and I use that word advisedlydont misquote me, the word is crookswhose greed, whose recklessness, whose illegal behavior caused this terrible recession with so much suffering. We believe in this country; we love this country; and we will be damned if were going to see a handful of robber barons control the future of this country.
Remarkably, considering the caution of so many elected officials with regard to the protests, Sanders actually called for a toughening of the movements antiWall Street message. I applaud those protesters who are out there, who are focusing attention on Wall Street, but what weve got to do is put meat on that bone, he said. Weve got to make demands on Wall Street and break those institutions up.
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roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)He had to swallow his pride regarding all of the crap he spouted about the Dems and ask them to run as a Dem. He needed millions of dollars worth of data (even before his campaign stole Hillary's data), he needed the advertising dollars and debate forum to get some recognition. Temporarily setting his hatred for Dems aside, riding on the Dem coat tails finally gave him the impetus to fire up his talk of revolution.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Saw it first hand and at the time didn't agree with it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)years there either, as an aside.
And no matter what he's building, pretty sure you wouldn't know about it or recognize it. You don't get to do Presidential/national things until you are, sigh, the President. Ask Obama.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Obama led it but Congress did it.
Bernie - 25 years in Congress, primary sponsor of 3 successful bills. Two each named a post office in Vermont.
Bernie needs to show some leadership skills. If he did, his chances of election would improve enormously.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Start talking up your candidate. This tearing down the other is getting OLD and BORING. Why isn't Bernie fixing climate change? I mean, he's in Congress and all. Duh.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Response to RBInMaine (Original post)
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angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Don't ignore those who will diss our candidate...take up the fight!
frylock
(34,825 posts)Response to frylock (Reply #21)
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cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)What can any Senator do? He has walked the walk as a young man...how many days did Hillary spend in jail for her beliefs?
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Not the reight wing type, but the 99% YEAH!
jillan
(39,451 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Hop in to agree.
No one else really gives a shit and Hillary continues to lose votes.
enigmatic
(15,021 posts)It made me too excitable and prone to jitters.
Once I switched to ice water it made me feel much better, and healthier.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>>>Is he really building a true movement akin to the women's suffrage movement, civil rights movement, workers rights movement, etc.? Where is the movement infrastructure and apparatus to make sure that if he is elected it will actually be there to do something?>>>
Huh?
You don't get it.
You won't get it.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)who has power to empower us ALL
treestar
(82,383 posts)Why do you need Bernie to be President ?
frylock
(34,825 posts)My goodness! It does appear that talking points have been issued.
Can Bernie Sanders' revolution coalition force the Senate to confirm a Supreme Court nominee?
OK Bernie supporters, here are TWO juicy chances to take the revolution for a test drive right now.
You say you want a "revolution?" Let's start now!
Where is Bernie's Revolution?
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)If the issue has to be raised with 4 threads, so bet it.
frylock
(34,825 posts)to her supporters to disseminate on social media, the issue had to be raised with no less than five threads, so bet it.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Do the math yourself.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)when the DLC made it their mission to destroy liberalism from within the party.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The party became pigs feeding at the trough.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)in the mid 1930s. The women;s movement mid 1950s.
All of those movements were percolating for decades before erupting.
At some point "Enough is enough"
superkona
(21 posts)needed to align...
what does it matter? it's happening now. sit back and watch or get on the love train.
if hillary was 'effective' and could 'get stuff done' she would have been able to win the last time around. hillary had every advantage in 2008 and still came up short. sorry, but she never was a good candidate. this year, people want authenticity, something she's apparently incapable of. the closest i've seen her to being 'real' was barking like a dog... i'm willing to bet she practiced the barking and joke leading up to it, more than once.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)...one of those cases where if I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)rule #289: willful obtuseness.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)and Bernie did a fantastic job for his, which is why they kept voting him into office. Unlike Hillary, he never had his eye on the Presidency. But he HAD to run because no other liberal would try, and the DLC's right wing policies are destroying working families and the planet. He's running for us, while Clinton is only running for herself. Their records prove the difference between their respective effectiveness in office: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/
polly7
(20,582 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)Thank you so much!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)lasttrip
(1,013 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Yeah, that Bernie is such a slacker.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)She's started several.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)She was Senator of NY (where the twin towers came down) Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc.. were feeding them crap about WMD's, harboring terrorist.. a slough of lies. Her constituents expected her to vote for it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Great point. I see his supporters continue to put too much faith in the Presidency alone.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Quixote1818
(28,968 posts)doing everything he can to raise awareness about civil rights issues and wealth inequality. He has been the main figure in these battles for decades.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)How did you not notice?
womanofthehills
(8,761 posts)has been on Tom Hartman's first hour of his radio show almost every Fri for about 10 yrs. It seem like forever I have been listening to "Brunch with Bernie". He has been talking his talk forever!
pinebox
(5,761 posts)and for the less tame there's always this..........which is rather fitting XD And I suggest you play it LOUD and actually watch the video. Because THIS is what it's about.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Another month goes by and Bernie still hording the money for his camp. Shameful
TWEET
Voice of Reason ?@Montgomery_bjm 26m26 minutes ago
Voice of Reason Retweeted Gabriel Debenedetti
#BernieSanders isnt supporting state/local democratic candidates? He'll need them to get anything done. #FeelTheBern
Gabriel Debenedetti Verified account
?@gdebenedetti
JUST IN: @HillaryClinton brought in $15m in January, plus $5m for other Dems. (Sanders: $20m, $0.)
JUST IN: @HillaryClinton brought in $15m in January, plus $5m for other Dems. (Sanders: $20m, $0.)
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)gnewz still loves tax cuts & tinkle.