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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:56 PM Feb 2016

The Republicans are PRAYING for the chance to be able to run against Bernie Sanders.

AT LEAST a BILLION dollars worth of relentless ads ready to go saying "MASSIVE INCREASE IN GOVERNMENT, MASSIVE TAX INCREASES, COMMUNIST-SOCIALIST TRYING TO TURN US INTO A SOCIALIST EUROPEAN COUNTRY".

Trump wants to run against who he calls "communist" Bernie.

New Hampshire R's are pushing petitions to have NH Dems give Bernie their superdelegates.

And make no mistake, they are doing all they can to tear down Hillary in order to prop up Bernie.

They WANT to run against Bernie in way that is making them salivate because he has handed them a WET DREAM of attack lines.

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The Republicans are PRAYING for the chance to be able to run against Bernie Sanders. (Original Post) RBInMaine Feb 2016 OP
You've been listening to Trump too much FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #1
Hence their stockpiling of all this anti-Clinton ammo they seem to have on hand... Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #2
They are bravenak Feb 2016 #3
LOL AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #4
yup Champion Jack Feb 2016 #44
Just like they wanted to run safeinOhio Feb 2016 #5
Do you get paid by the OP? Fawke Em Feb 2016 #6
What employer would pay for this tripe? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #46
The same person who would hire David Brock. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #47
Oh yeah, There are some not too bright employers out there. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #48
This is beyond stupid. SheilaT Feb 2016 #7
And they thought Romney would win in a landslide, and W was a great President... Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #8
Yes--they're not even being subtle about it. MADem Feb 2016 #9
So many long time Republicans that I know are voting for Bernie! emsimon33 Feb 2016 #10
Are you familiar with the term "fear mongering"? think Feb 2016 #11
Again? SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #12
And they said the thing about President Obama hoosierlib Feb 2016 #13
but she knows it and has dealt with it since the 90s. DesertFlower Feb 2016 #17
Lol elehhhhna Feb 2016 #28
And Bernie doesn't? hoosierlib Feb 2016 #50
i've heard them say hillary during the debates, i.e. DesertFlower Feb 2016 #14
excellent because I'm doing everything I can to make sure that they do berningman Feb 2016 #15
Yeah, they're not real bright jberryhill Feb 2016 #16
Oh man, you're right! Maybe we should run a conservative so we don't anger them. Shandris Feb 2016 #18
Republicans respect Democratic third way campaign tactics. HassleCat Feb 2016 #19
They will get killed. apnu Feb 2016 #20
Bring It!!!!!!!!!!! RiverLover Feb 2016 #21
It's very suspicious ... but I understand why. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #22
Run Henny Penny, run! whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #23
They'll only fool republicans. Maybe some Dems. Gregorian Feb 2016 #24
Yes, and they'll all say exactly the same about Hillary Clinton. pa28 Feb 2016 #25
Should we be concerned that you are fantasizing saltpoint Feb 2016 #26
LOL! JudyM Feb 2016 #32
Let me tell you this...A Clinton nor a Bush will win GE INdemo Feb 2016 #27
I don't know, but if they are, it well may be like lots of Dems were back in 1980(? sp) napi21 Feb 2016 #29
There are no votes HRC can get that Bernie can't get against Republicans. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #31
They will be sorry when they do libodem Feb 2016 #33
Yeah, too bad Bernie beats Republicons so badly in the polls (better than Hillary), else we might Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #34
VS BILLION dollars worth of relentless ads saying benghazi benghazi EMAILS EMAILS krawhitham Feb 2016 #35
The first letters of the first four words saltpoint Feb 2016 #36
Well, that settles it! I'm switching to the Wall Street Candidate, for I know the RW will go easy... Indepatriot Feb 2016 #37
Why are you in the Bernie Sanders Group..shouldn't you be in the Hillarry Group or Bill's group? INdemo Feb 2016 #38
Why? Running against Hillary..... daleanime Feb 2016 #39
From their lips to God's ears Fronkonsteen Feb 2016 #40
Nighty-night. frylock Feb 2016 #41
Me thinks someone needs a cold shower. jillan Feb 2016 #42
The next president is going to be a Democrat -- don't worry. pacalo Feb 2016 #43
Isn't Hillary's campaign already using those attacks? AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #45
. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #49
Kicked and recommended. Firebrand Gary Feb 2016 #51
I don't think the establishment in either party has a clue about the state of mind of the electorate Beowulf Feb 2016 #52
RedBaitingInMaine at its finest. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #53
The only people that believe this EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #54
And Sander will deliver a nightmare for the GOP: he will bury them Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #55
If Trump is their nominee, it doesn't matter who we run. Shadowflash Feb 2016 #56
of course they are - so obvious DrDan Feb 2016 #57
they are also eager to run against Hillary DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #58
Here's a nice read for you. CentralMass Feb 2016 #59
So you believe they suddenly know what's best for them? Sheesh. flor-de-jasmim Feb 2016 #60
 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
2. Hence their stockpiling of all this anti-Clinton ammo they seem to have on hand...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:58 PM
Feb 2016

Oh wait, that doesn't track at all. I'm forced to conclude that you're mistaken.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
6. Do you get paid by the OP?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

This is like the fifth one tonight breathlessly trying to keep tightening the lugnuts on the wheels of the Clinton campaign that seem to be falling off faster than even a NASCAR pit crew's ability.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
7. This is beyond stupid.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:01 AM
Feb 2016

And you think they won't run attack ads against Hillary?

And spare me the "She's been vetted" bullshit. Just because she's been attacked in the past doesn't mean she won't be attacked in the future.

And in case you haven't noticed, Bernie doesn't change the subject or waffle when he's attacked. He goes right back at it, with the truth, which is such a novel concept in politics these days that most people don't recognize it.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
8. And they thought Romney would win in a landslide, and W was a great President...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:01 AM
Feb 2016

Let them have their one attack line. Bernie has been fighting that battle for 30 years.

We have also had 8 years of "Obama is a Socialist". Swing voters are numb to that attack. The only people it works on already vote for Republicans.

Let them preach to their choir. They are off key anyways.


emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
10. So many long time Republicans that I know are voting for Bernie!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

I highly doubt that the Republicans have failed to notice this.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
11. Are you familiar with the term "fear mongering"?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:03 AM
Feb 2016

Fear mongering is the deliberate use of fear based tactics including exaggeration and continual repetition to alter the perception of the public in order to achieve a desired outcome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_mongering
 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
13. And they said the thing about President Obama
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:03 AM
Feb 2016

And HRC will get the same attacks plus all her other baggage

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
14. i've heard them say hillary during the debates, i.e.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:03 AM
Feb 2016

you don't want hillary as prez. i think she scares them. and she should. she is the most qualified of all the candidates.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
16. Yeah, they're not real bright
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

They wanted to run against Obama in 2008 too.

They aren't the sharpest marbles in the tool drawyer.
 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
18. Oh man, you're right! Maybe we should run a conservative so we don't anger them.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

Ah, well, that leaves only the Goldwater Group. Yay Hillary!



Are people really this dense? This is horrible messaging. This is about as smart as the line about not angering Muslims because they might turn into terrorists - seemed like something smart when you started, and ended up as perhaps the most cringeworthy outcome possible.

Ah well, maybe that's why I'm not backing a campaign on cHILLing people's expectations, I'm backing one based on BERN-ing Boundaries.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
19. Republicans respect Democratic third way campaign tactics.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:05 AM
Feb 2016

Because the basic tactics are exactly the same. They usually produce close elections, tipping one way or the other by a few points. Both parties run essentially the same campaign, and they believe the way to win is to blur the distinctions, focus on image, and go negative in the last hours. They know a Sanders campaign would be different, something not tried before, and they don't see it as dangerous. They don't fear what they can't even recognize, much less comprehend.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
20. They will get killed.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:05 AM
Feb 2016

All their ammo gets them is the same dwindling group they have now: older, angry, white males.

Women will break for Bernie.
Indepentents will break for Bernie.
Non-Whites will break for Bernie.
Young voters will break for Bernie.
Old hippies and liberals will break for Bernie.

The GOP is looking up from a grave they dug themselves.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
27. Let me tell you this...A Clinton nor a Bush will win GE
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:09 AM
Feb 2016

Bill Clinton is out there and trying to run a campaign as if it was his 3rd term. I'm not sure about Hillary if this is her second try for a first term or a second try for a 3rd term because at times it seems like Hillary was in charge of what was suppose to be Bill's Presidency but not.... It was Hillary's

You talk about all the ammo the Republicans have against Bernie ..well what you are forgetting is the voters in mass numbers will be voting for Bernie Sanders and he will win...If Hillary steals the nomination voters will stay home and yes ..they will give it to Trump because Progressive's dislike Hillary with a passion.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
29. I don't know, but if they are, it well may be like lots of Dems were back in 1980(? sp)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:10 AM
Feb 2016

I was right there with the crowds of Dems who were hoping the Pubs would run Reagan I remember the exact words we all used.

Hell NOBODY will vote for him! He's a damn actor!

So much "be careful what you wish for."

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
30. There are no votes HRC can get that Bernie can't get against Republicans.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:10 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie's campaign has never been an anti-Democratic Party conspiracy.

Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

libodem

(19,288 posts)
33. They will be sorry when they do
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

If it's Cruz or Bushitler, Bernie will slaughter them in a land slide. Avalanche!

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
34. Yeah, too bad Bernie beats Republicons so badly in the polls (better than Hillary), else we might
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:14 AM
Feb 2016

have believed you.

krawhitham

(4,647 posts)
35. VS BILLION dollars worth of relentless ads saying benghazi benghazi EMAILS EMAILS
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

+ Benghazi
+ Private Email Server
+ Goldman Sachs Speaking Fees
+ Whitewater
+ Health-Care Gate
+ Troopergate
+ Travelgate
+ Filegate
+ Pardongate
+ Mishandling of Classified Emails
+ Lied About Sniper Fire in Bosnia
+ Questionable Profits from Selling Cattle Futures
+ Vince Foster
+ Support of DOMA
+ Support of Don't Ask Don't Tell
+ Questionable Use of Clinton Foundation Donations
+ Clinton Foundation Conflicts of Interest
+ Clinton Foundation Tax Returns
+ Took Furniture from White House
+ Did Not Declare Gifts from King of Morocco
+ Used Influence to have Brother Appointed to Haiti Mining Company
+ Campaigns of Intimidation Against Opponents
+ Sidney Blumenthal Advice
+ Connection to Radical Saul Alinsky
+ Pressured Huma Abedin to Divorce Anthony Weiner
+ Connection to Peter Franklin Paul
+ Missing Law Firm Billing Records
+ Conflicts of Interest in Foggy Bottom
+ Received Campaign Funds from Iranian Government
+ Sale of Uranium to Russia in Exchange for Donations
+ IRS Audits Against Conservative Groups


Thanks SNL for the list

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
36. The first letters of the first four words
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

of your subject line spell T.R.A.P.

Which start with 'T'
And that rhymes with 'P'
And that stands for Propaganda!

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
37. Well, that settles it! I'm switching to the Wall Street Candidate, for I know the RW will go easy...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016
I'm sure this won't be on a 24/7 loop in Battleground States....nahh, the FEAR HILLARY too much to try that....

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
39. Why? Running against Hillary.....
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

would pretty much guarantee a republican congress for the next 4 to 6 years.

 

Fronkonsteen

(75 posts)
40. From their lips to God's ears
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

Please, Flying Spaghetti Monster, make it so! (May you all be touched by His noodly appendage.)

Beowulf

(761 posts)
52. I don't think the establishment in either party has a clue about the state of mind of the electorate
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:05 AM
Feb 2016

They may think they want Bernie. They should be more careful, but I'm happy they are not.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
55. And Sander will deliver a nightmare for the GOP: he will bury them
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:13 AM
Feb 2016

under a landslide that will reduce the GOP to a permanent sideshow, a relic from the past.

The 20th century is over. Red-baiting only works inside insulated echo-chambers full of old, underinformed and affluent semi-republicans.

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
56. If Trump is their nominee, it doesn't matter who we run.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:21 AM
Feb 2016

Trump may appeal to a percentage of the whacked-out GOP base but, in a general election, his share of overall votes will be quite small. We could run a potato against Trump and win.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
58. they are also eager to run against Hillary
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:36 AM
Feb 2016

I used to watch over at Lucianne.com, which was one of the most vile sites outside of freeperland. A refrain there was that they could get people to "march barefoot on broken glass" to vote against Hillary. When you have a base that has been pretty much told to stay home, because they are unwanted, and soon to be betrayed before Hillary gets to finish one glass of election night champagne, versus the GOP base, who, despite whining, get a LOT of what they want, you do the math.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
59. Here's a nice read for you.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:38 AM
Feb 2016

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/16/the_clintons_will_really_try_anything_false_attacks_and_failed_strategies_as_hillary_repeats_2008/

The Clintons really don’t get it: False attacks and failed strategies as Hillary repeats 2008

"Sanders made history even by the metrics of horse-race journalism. He had the most votes (155,578), biggest vote share (60.4%) and biggest margin in a contested race (22.4%) of any candidate of either party in New Hampshire primary history. As in Iowa, he outperformed late polls by more than their alleged margins of error. Sanders won 55% of women, a stunning 84% of voters under 30, and 92% of those who say the trait they prize most in a politician is honesty.

Clintonites said Sanders had home-court advantage. (If you buy that excuse, just ask a friend to name a senator from a neighboring state.) Hillary may be the world’s best-known politician after Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin and her husband. It gives her an overwhelming headstart in every state but Vermont, which is why she began New Hampshire thirty points up. They made other lame justifications for their loss, but after the flood there was nothing left to spin.

How Clinton lost is as telling as the historic margin she lost by. Just as in 2008, she presented as a hawk to a party bone-weary of war. Now as then, her high-dollar, tone-deaf, leak-prone campaign telegraphed every punch. Her backers harp on her experience — but experience only counts if you learn from it. Eight years later, Clinton makes the exact same mistakes. Still, party elites have bet the farm she’ll have it all sorted out by October. Dangerous wager.

She isn’t learning from this race, either. Her response to New Hampshire has been to double-down on her strategy. How such a bright person could be such a slow learner is a mystery. Her worst moments prior to New Hampshire were her ham-handed attempts to take down Sanders. Chelsea distorted his health-care plans, Bill ripped his character. Hillary accused him of an “artful smear” for suggesting, obviously, that banks give to Super PACs to influence policy. She voiced “concern” over reports he’d mingled with real live lobbyists at Democratic fundraisers. But to many voters the Clintons attacking Sanders’ integrity was like draft-avoider George W. Bush swift-boating Purple Heart-winner John Kerry — except this time it backfired, and her whole family took the hit.

At this point she might have decided to curtail the personal attacks, but alas, no. In a public television debate two days after the primary, she waited till the last second to launch an attack, this time on Sanders’ alleged disloyalty to Obama. It seems this will be a principle theme going forward, so in case you missed, a sample:

Today Senator Sanders said President Obama failed the presidential leadership test…. he has called him weak. He has called him a disappointment. He wrote a forward for a book that basically argued voters should have buyers’ remorse when it comes to President Obama’s leadership and legacy it is the kind of criticism I expect from Republicans. Calling the president weak… [Saying] several times he should have a primary opponent when he ran for re-election…

Much of this is flat-out false; all is shorn of context and rife with what Politifact called “half-truths.” Bill Press wrote a book criticizing Obama, but Sanders didn’t write the forward (just a blurb that doesn’t criticize Obama). He never called Obama weak or a disappointment, though he once said Obama showed weakness in budget negotiations. Talking to a radio host who wanted Obama primaried, Sanders said open debate was a good thing. But notice in the above quote how Clinton, the Mary Lou Retton of syntax, made it seem Sanders said all these things."

More at the link.

flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)
60. So you believe they suddenly know what's best for them? Sheesh.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:47 AM
Feb 2016

Don't forget - they've been paying attention to the MSM.

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