2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Republicans are PRAYING for the chance to be able to run against Bernie Sanders.
AT LEAST a BILLION dollars worth of relentless ads ready to go saying "MASSIVE INCREASE IN GOVERNMENT, MASSIVE TAX INCREASES, COMMUNIST-SOCIALIST TRYING TO TURN US INTO A SOCIALIST EUROPEAN COUNTRY".
Trump wants to run against who he calls "communist" Bernie.
New Hampshire R's are pushing petitions to have NH Dems give Bernie their superdelegates.
And make no mistake, they are doing all they can to tear down Hillary in order to prop up Bernie.
They WANT to run against Bernie in way that is making them salivate because he has handed them a WET DREAM of attack lines.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Oh wait, that doesn't track at all. I'm forced to conclude that you're mistaken.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)This worn out lump of crap is the lamest of all desperations.
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)safeinOhio
(32,720 posts)against Obama.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)This is like the fifth one tonight breathlessly trying to keep tightening the lugnuts on the wheels of the Clinton campaign that seem to be falling off faster than even a NASCAR pit crew's ability.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)And you think they won't run attack ads against Hillary?
And spare me the "She's been vetted" bullshit. Just because she's been attacked in the past doesn't mean she won't be attacked in the future.
And in case you haven't noticed, Bernie doesn't change the subject or waffle when he's attacked. He goes right back at it, with the truth, which is such a novel concept in politics these days that most people don't recognize it.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Let them have their one attack line. Bernie has been fighting that battle for 30 years.
We have also had 8 years of "Obama is a Socialist". Swing voters are numb to that attack. The only people it works on already vote for Republicans.
Let them preach to their choir. They are off key anyways.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's also not a new meme. If you run into a "Sanders supporter" who sounds curiously intolerant, this is why: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams
And, more recently: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-excited-about-bernie-sanders_us_56b128b7e4b08069c7a55397
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I highly doubt that the Republicans have failed to notice this.
think
(11,641 posts)Fear mongering is the deliberate use of fear based tactics including exaggeration and continual repetition to alter the perception of the public in order to achieve a desired outcome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_mongering
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)And HRC will get the same attacks plus all her other baggage
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)she knows how to handle them and fight back.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)Managed to beat both Democrats and Republicans over the last 30 years...
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)you don't want hillary as prez. i think she scares them. and she should. she is the most qualified of all the candidates.
berningman
(144 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They wanted to run against Obama in 2008 too.
They aren't the sharpest marbles in the tool drawyer.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Ah, well, that leaves only the Goldwater Group. Yay Hillary!
Are people really this dense? This is horrible messaging. This is about as smart as the line about not angering Muslims because they might turn into terrorists - seemed like something smart when you started, and ended up as perhaps the most cringeworthy outcome possible.
Ah well, maybe that's why I'm not backing a campaign on cHILLing people's expectations, I'm backing one based on BERN-ing Boundaries.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Because the basic tactics are exactly the same. They usually produce close elections, tipping one way or the other by a few points. Both parties run essentially the same campaign, and they believe the way to win is to blur the distinctions, focus on image, and go negative in the last hours. They know a Sanders campaign would be different, something not tried before, and they don't see it as dangerous. They don't fear what they can't even recognize, much less comprehend.
apnu
(8,758 posts)All their ammo gets them is the same dwindling group they have now: older, angry, white males.
Women will break for Bernie.
Indepentents will break for Bernie.
Non-Whites will break for Bernie.
Young voters will break for Bernie.
Old hippies and liberals will break for Bernie.
The GOP is looking up from a grave they dug themselves.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)so much about Republican saliva?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Bill Clinton is out there and trying to run a campaign as if it was his 3rd term. I'm not sure about Hillary if this is her second try for a first term or a second try for a 3rd term because at times it seems like Hillary was in charge of what was suppose to be Bill's Presidency but not.... It was Hillary's
You talk about all the ammo the Republicans have against Bernie ..well what you are forgetting is the voters in mass numbers will be voting for Bernie Sanders and he will win...If Hillary steals the nomination voters will stay home and yes ..they will give it to Trump because Progressive's dislike Hillary with a passion.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I was right there with the crowds of Dems who were hoping the Pubs would run Reagan I remember the exact words we all used.
Hell NOBODY will vote for him! He's a damn actor!
So much "be careful what you wish for."
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Bernie's campaign has never been an anti-Democratic Party conspiracy.
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libodem
(19,288 posts)If it's Cruz or Bushitler, Bernie will slaughter them in a land slide. Avalanche!
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)have believed you.
krawhitham
(4,647 posts)+ Benghazi
+ Private Email Server
+ Goldman Sachs Speaking Fees
+ Whitewater
+ Health-Care Gate
+ Troopergate
+ Travelgate
+ Filegate
+ Pardongate
+ Mishandling of Classified Emails
+ Lied About Sniper Fire in Bosnia
+ Questionable Profits from Selling Cattle Futures
+ Vince Foster
+ Support of DOMA
+ Support of Don't Ask Don't Tell
+ Questionable Use of Clinton Foundation Donations
+ Clinton Foundation Conflicts of Interest
+ Clinton Foundation Tax Returns
+ Took Furniture from White House
+ Did Not Declare Gifts from King of Morocco
+ Used Influence to have Brother Appointed to Haiti Mining Company
+ Campaigns of Intimidation Against Opponents
+ Sidney Blumenthal Advice
+ Connection to Radical Saul Alinsky
+ Pressured Huma Abedin to Divorce Anthony Weiner
+ Connection to Peter Franklin Paul
+ Missing Law Firm Billing Records
+ Conflicts of Interest in Foggy Bottom
+ Received Campaign Funds from Iranian Government
+ Sale of Uranium to Russia in Exchange for Donations
+ IRS Audits Against Conservative Groups
Thanks SNL for the list
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)of your subject line spell T.R.A.P.
Which start with 'T'
And that rhymes with 'P'
And that stands for Propaganda!
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)would pretty much guarantee a republican congress for the next 4 to 6 years.
Fronkonsteen
(75 posts)Please, Flying Spaghetti Monster, make it so! (May you all be touched by His noodly appendage.)
frylock
(34,825 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)To FAIL effect?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Beowulf
(761 posts)They may think they want Bernie. They should be more careful, but I'm happy they are not.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)are Hillary supporters...
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)under a landslide that will reduce the GOP to a permanent sideshow, a relic from the past.
The 20th century is over. Red-baiting only works inside insulated echo-chambers full of old, underinformed and affluent semi-republicans.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Trump may appeal to a percentage of the whacked-out GOP base but, in a general election, his share of overall votes will be quite small. We could run a potato against Trump and win.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)I used to watch over at Lucianne.com, which was one of the most vile sites outside of freeperland. A refrain there was that they could get people to "march barefoot on broken glass" to vote against Hillary. When you have a base that has been pretty much told to stay home, because they are unwanted, and soon to be betrayed before Hillary gets to finish one glass of election night champagne, versus the GOP base, who, despite whining, get a LOT of what they want, you do the math.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)http://www.salon.com/2016/02/16/the_clintons_will_really_try_anything_false_attacks_and_failed_strategies_as_hillary_repeats_2008/
The Clintons really dont get it: False attacks and failed strategies as Hillary repeats 2008
"Sanders made history even by the metrics of horse-race journalism. He had the most votes (155,578), biggest vote share (60.4%) and biggest margin in a contested race (22.4%) of any candidate of either party in New Hampshire primary history. As in Iowa, he outperformed late polls by more than their alleged margins of error. Sanders won 55% of women, a stunning 84% of voters under 30, and 92% of those who say the trait they prize most in a politician is honesty.
Clintonites said Sanders had home-court advantage. (If you buy that excuse, just ask a friend to name a senator from a neighboring state.) Hillary may be the worlds best-known politician after Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin and her husband. It gives her an overwhelming headstart in every state but Vermont, which is why she began New Hampshire thirty points up. They made other lame justifications for their loss, but after the flood there was nothing left to spin.
How Clinton lost is as telling as the historic margin she lost by. Just as in 2008, she presented as a hawk to a party bone-weary of war. Now as then, her high-dollar, tone-deaf, leak-prone campaign telegraphed every punch. Her backers harp on her experience but experience only counts if you learn from it. Eight years later, Clinton makes the exact same mistakes. Still, party elites have bet the farm shell have it all sorted out by October. Dangerous wager.
She isnt learning from this race, either. Her response to New Hampshire has been to double-down on her strategy. How such a bright person could be such a slow learner is a mystery. Her worst moments prior to New Hampshire were her ham-handed attempts to take down Sanders. Chelsea distorted his health-care plans, Bill ripped his character. Hillary accused him of an artful smear for suggesting, obviously, that banks give to Super PACs to influence policy. She voiced concern over reports hed mingled with real live lobbyists at Democratic fundraisers. But to many voters the Clintons attacking Sanders integrity was like draft-avoider George W. Bush swift-boating Purple Heart-winner John Kerry except this time it backfired, and her whole family took the hit.
At this point she might have decided to curtail the personal attacks, but alas, no. In a public television debate two days after the primary, she waited till the last second to launch an attack, this time on Sanders alleged disloyalty to Obama. It seems this will be a principle theme going forward, so in case you missed, a sample:
Today Senator Sanders said President Obama failed the presidential leadership test . he has called him weak. He has called him a disappointment. He wrote a forward for a book that basically argued voters should have buyers remorse when it comes to President Obamas leadership and legacy it is the kind of criticism I expect from Republicans. Calling the president weak [Saying] several times he should have a primary opponent when he ran for re-election
Much of this is flat-out false; all is shorn of context and rife with what Politifact called half-truths. Bill Press wrote a book criticizing Obama, but Sanders didnt write the forward (just a blurb that doesnt criticize Obama). He never called Obama weak or a disappointment, though he once said Obama showed weakness in budget negotiations. Talking to a radio host who wanted Obama primaried, Sanders said open debate was a good thing. But notice in the above quote how Clinton, the Mary Lou Retton of syntax, made it seem Sanders said all these things."
More at the link.
flor-de-jasmim
(2,125 posts)Don't forget - they've been paying attention to the MSM.