2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie’s Dark Side: The Reckless War on Hillary’s Integrity
The list of challenges for the next president goes on and on.
Democrats have two candidates. Assume for the sake of argument that they each have a 50% chance of winning the nomination. And assume the Democratic nominee will face someone like Donald Trump or Ted Cruz in the general election.
With so much on the line, why is one of them waging an all-out war on the others integrity?
Why on earth would Bernie Sanders run a campaign premised on the destruction of Hillarys public image?
More at http://bluenationreview.com/bernies-reckless-war-on-hillarys-integrity/
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)RIGHT THE FUCK NOW!!!!
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)It might prepare him better to keep up with that Gish horse that is galloping all over the place.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)It's probably Bernie's fault she for the IWR. And that she is attacking him for a health care plan she would have fought for in the 90's.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're like Five-o'clock Charlie!
jfern
(5,204 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary supporters should think twice before citing Brock as a source.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Brock confesses in a Talk magazine excerpt of his new book, Blinded by the Right, that he had printed "virtually every derogatory and often contradictory allegation" he could to make Hill seem "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty." If that was all Brock did, we might have nothing more than another sin committed on behalf of the vast right-wing conspiracy. But Brock, who has forged a second career as a recovering conservative, makes one admission that implicates Thomas. Brock says he used information that came indirectly from Thomas to force a retraction from a woman named Kaye Savage, who had come forward in support of Hill. Brock threatened to publicize vicious charges made by her ex-husband in a sealed child-custody dispute.
But now he's found a home.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Because you know, it's ancient history.
Anyone who lived through those hearings will never forget them.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Docreed2003
(16,875 posts)Maybe be should start fixing martinis and taking bets on the next "most outrageous post"
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We'll be drunk by noon.
Docreed2003
(16,875 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Therefore, there's not a stitch of truth in this article.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)Her integrity issues are self-inflicted...
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)DUbeornot2be
(367 posts)...integrity problem resides in the fact that she has none. Her public image is one that leaves the majority of people not trusting her... if she had integrity she wouldn't need to worry about an image...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)he should stop sticking his head out of the car window when his owner is driving on the freeway, no matter how much fun it seems.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Brock's is weirdly shellacked.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)polly7
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I prefer Bernie's.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)And weathervane her way around, under, through, over loopholes and between the fine print.
Hillary wrecked her own integrity. Took awhile but she's done a mighty fine job of it.
This OP (and the one at the link) makes no sense except to Peter Daou, former adviser to Hillary Clinton, HRC herself and her supporters.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)How can he be running a dirty campaign?
He likes Hillary Clinton!
He Agrees with Hillary Clinton
He Respects Hillary Clinton
He just leads the crowd to believe her to be a corrupt establishment politician who is influenced by campaign donations, but can't point to one instance of it ever happening.
He's even got people believing Unions, PP, CBC PAC are the ESTABLISHMENT cause they endorsed her. John Lewis too!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I haven't heard of one, but it may have slipped past me.
Otherwise, yes, union bosses are establishment democratic figures.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Your first argument is based on the premise that money does not influence politicians. If you honestly believe that, seek help. If not, you are being dishonest.
Your second argument misrepresents the leadership of Unions, PP and CBC PAC as not being parts of the Democratic party's establishment. This can't be argued. You seem to be claiming that Bernie has called the members of these organizations part of the establishment, that is false.
So who is attacking who's integrity?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It's hilarious watching people from his own state defend his alleged "socialism" but I've known how he rolls for two decades and I live on the other side of the continent.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So everyone knows how she rolls. And bobs ad weaves and flips and flops after literally preaching against the rights of a minority group based on a religious text that in reality says women must never seek power over men.
I'll never again vote in a primary for any candidate that has spoken against my rights. Not a chance. That's the past.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)by John Wright
February 15, 2016
from: http://www.towleroad.com/2016/02/clinton-beats-sanders-survey-lgbt-voters-trump-top-republican-2/
Go figure eh?
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)so there.
choie
(4,111 posts)against something that doesn't exist...
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)Bernie Sanders and his supporters can't say anything about Hillary Clinton's record, while Hillary Clinton supporters can say anything they want about Bernie Sanders for example implying he is racist.
peace13
(11,076 posts)She has had a, reputation. Hillary is a strong woman. She wouldn't be running if she didn't have broad shoulders.
Logical
(22,457 posts)SunSeeker
(51,692 posts)So much for his promise to just make the campaign about ideas, not personal attacks.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Hillary's problem is Hillary.
She's been on ever side of almost every progressive issue for the last quarter century.
Hillary's distrust numbers were in the single digits long before Bernie Sanders joined the presidential race.
Cattle futures.
Walmart board.
Bosnia combat.
NAFTA.
Filegate.
Travelgate.
Bernie had nothing to do with any of those Hillary problems.
All her own doing.
Don't be blaming Bernie because political expedience was her motivator in politics instead of principle.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)I might realize that I have a problem. But that's just me.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I'm not sure you really know how to play this game.....
Hydra
(14,459 posts)They may not know how to do it, but they're doing a bang up job of getting everyone to avoid their candidate
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Because she is deceitful and has NO INTEGRITY.
The irony of all this is killing me...
Corruption without end.
delrem
(9,688 posts)jaysus... - Brock's PAC directly coordinates with Hillary's campaign, it's totally top-down.
And from that font of political integrity we hear a whining complaint that Bernie Sanders is the cause of Hillary Clinton's trustworthiness being way in the negatives, globally.
But maybe people can get there on their own: they just instinctively distrust war-mongering chicken hawks in the pocket of big investment banks and war-profiteers to the tune of over $150million in payouts directly to their personal accounts? Just maybe?
And Brock and co. aren't into, like, swiftboating? ratfucking? How could such pictures of innocence be guilty of projecting?
Ready for Hillary yet, RiverLover?
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)All that corrupt money has bought off not only Hillary, but to make it 1000 xs worse, she's turned around & used it to completely turn our party elites into sniveling sycophants, complicit now in their purchased support by intimidation of Hillary.
This really is a fight for the soul of our party.
May the good guys win.
$153 million in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees, documented
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)They always seem to be amending their taxes.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Point out things he has said about her that are not correct and a reasonable conversation can be had.
The OP is just an attack on Bernie masquerading as a defense of Hillary.
Bagsgroove
(231 posts)Hillary herself would never stoop to attacking the integrity of a fellow Democrat, right?
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UnBlinkingEye
(56 posts)Hillary's message is less appealing over time...
Kall
(615 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)and Hillary has made wads of cash on.
If you see a conflict of interest with Ted Cruz taking money from Goldman Sachs, I think it's naive that you don't see the same problem with Hillary. They both take money from the same donors!
Trump can attack Hillary on that. Bernie is untouchable on this issue. That's why Bernie is far more electable than Hillary Ciinton. While you "care" so much for Hiullary's "integrity", your camp don't seem to mind using Karl Rove methods in attacking one of Bernie's strong sides - his civil rights history.
Hillary is destroying her own image with her secrecy, dirty campaigning as well as her political shape shifting. And her close Wall Street ties.
And when Hillary's people are saying "there will be no revolution", I feel compelled to inform that the revolution started with OWS...
The same people Hillary's donors demonized through MSM and had the police use brutal force against.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Waste of time. Another Clinton media spin job from David Brock's dishonest propaganda site
And he does that and wonders about Hillary's integrity. What a piece of work this clown is.
There's no war on Hillary's integrity that's significant.
She did that all by herself with flip-flops, lying and deceptive behavior, deleting emails, letting the Clinton Foundation take in millions from people or companies the state department was dealing with.etc
Here's the proof
April 9, 2015 - Clinton Wilts In Colorado, Iowa, Virginia, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds
Voters in each state say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy. Her overall favorability has dropped significantly in Colorado and Iowa, while Virginia is unchanged. Favorability ratings for the Republicans are lackluster, at best.
...
"In all three of these states, more, and in Colorado many more, registered voters say she is not honest and trustworthy," Brown added. "Voters do think she is a strong leader - a key metric - but unless she can change the honesty perception, running as a competent but dishonest candidate has serious potential problems."
Colorado voters say 56 - 38 percent that Clinton is not honest and trustworthy.
Iowa voters say 49 - 43 percent that Clinton is not honest and trustworthy.
Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Virginia voters say 52 - 40 percent.
Those polls came out just before she announced she was running and Bernie didn't announce until the end of April. So those numbers are all on Hillary and have nothing to do with Bernie.
Now her trustworthy numbers got worse but the Clinton Cash thing in May, CIA/FBI finding she sent emails that were classified before they were sent, Benghazi victims families all say she lied to them etc had a significant part.
So how sad. Clinton campaign lies about her trustworthiness trying to blame it on Bernie.
And you wonder why folks don't trust her ..
delrem
(9,688 posts)running as a competent but dishonest candidate has serious potential problems."
No shit.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)got the GOP all over you and about 50,000,000 people to convince.
She doesn't have enough time and the GOP won't let it happen. They've probably got 60 nasty ads in the can already for her last 60 days of the general election.
I'm very fearful of the Clinton Foundation thing
delrem
(9,688 posts)Her ONE constituency is the Republican right on matters of foreign policy and economics. And they hate her anyway.
On the Dem side not even her supporters dare openly espouse it.
The money her family has pocketed in payola is a disgrace. It's a disgrace to the world.
She has no message. None.
She runs from her past, projects fantasies instead, and her team is engaged in swiftboating a Democrat's record in the field of human rights.
My lord, that it's come to this.
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As an antidote to this negativity I want to say something very positive, uplifting, oriented to the future.
I've been reading about SisterSong recently. I heard about SisterSong through the Bernie groups.
I'm totally impressed with their messaging.
Sanders is in tune with it, philosophically. Clinton is not.
I think that Bernie's candidacy is a godsent opportunity to inform others (besides me!!) of this movement. It's win win for all of us, together - and goes way beyond the mere candidacy of this or that individual. I'm just now being taught about this, I'm a hatchling student - and it makes me so happy that my life is such that the message resonates in the most flowing music.
http://sistersong.net/mission/
"SISTERSONGS MISSION IS TO STRENGTHEN AND AMPLIFY THE COLLECTIVE VOICES OF INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND WOMEN OF COLOR TO ACHIEVE REPRODUCTIVE JUSTICE BY ERADICATING REPRODUCTIVE OPPRESSION AND SECURING HUMAN RIGHTS."
http://sistersong.net/reproductive-justice/
The writers of this web-page are brilliant.
basselope
(2,565 posts)He pulls punches that could absolutely DECIMATE her.
He could point out the times she has changed her vote DIRECTLY because of campaign contributions (He hasn't done it).
He could bring up her KNOWN lies (He hasn't done that).
He could bring up the specter of the e-mail investigation. (He avoids that at every turn).
No one has ever been as much of a gentlemen as Bernie Sanders has to Hillary Clinton, focusing SOLELY on the issues.
So please, save the crazy talk for elsewhere.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)wondering how anyone could say that about Bernie when it's Hillary's campaign that has been trying to decimate his character (and failing big time) especially since the Iowa caucus.
frylock
(34,825 posts)This is the second Bernie bad, Hillary good piece I've seen today from Brock Nation Review.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Didn't HRC just call Sanders a one-issue candidate a few days ago? Wan't she calling on Sanders to stop the "artful smears" as she put by saying, "Time and time again, by innuendo, by insinuation, there is this attack that he is putting forth, which really comes down to - you know, anybody who ever took donations or speaking fees from any interest group has to be bought...I really don't think these kinds of attacks by insinuation are not worthy of you. And enough is enough" during one of the debates?
Apparently its okay to lie about Sanders, but its not alright for Sanders to speak the truth about Clinton. How many more victim cards does she have left to play?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
berningman
(144 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Surprise!
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)She doesn't need Bernie's help.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)it's pure projection filled propaganda from a source that no longer even pretends to be unbiased.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)Bernie was the sniper shooting at her in Bosnia. After it was over, he hid really well so people would THINK she lied about it.
He did this to make her look foolish.
He's crafty and evil.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)Hillary has ruined her own reputation in my opinion by switching positions every day. And she is the one who is waging war through her surrogates on Bernie's integrity and I'll tell you why: Because he is considered extremely trustworthy by every measure and she is considered not at all trustworthy she is using the Rovian style tactic of attempting to ruin his name. Then she can say, "See? He's no better than me, so choose me." Luckily no one is buying this old baloney.