Anyone who thinks a self-declared socialist for massive government can win the GE is self-deluding.

[RBInMaine]

Bernie IS saying some things that NEED to be said about income inequality, the need for serious political reform, etc. He says it strongly and with conviction.

But at the end of the day, he is a self-declared socialist advocating MASSIVE government expansion, and IT WOULD BE HIS DOOM in the general election.

Sanders supporters are hungry for much of this rhetoric so are responding to it. But it is one thing to say something, and very much another to actually transform that into doable policies let alone a WIN in the AMERICAN general election.

We are NOT a European socialist country. The R's will spend a BILLION dollars in ads tearing Sanders to shreds as a SOCIALIST COMMUNIST WHO WANTS TO TURN US INTO A EUROPEAN COUNTRY. It would be a political bloodbath.

Sanders has so far gotten off the hook with little real scrutiny and no real attack campaign against him. There is a reason why they are only attacking Hillary. They WANT to run against Bernie in a BIG way. He is a good man who simply can not win the general election, and I have so far not seen any Sanders supporter showing us how he can actually do it other than citing some MEANINGLESS polls so many months away from the general election.

Finally, I hear he has put in legislation to make Election Day a non-work day so more people can vote. OK Bernie folks, now is the time to test out the revolution. Show us how you are going to get that PASSED. Let's see it!

[Xipe Totec]

1. Not with friends like you. nt

[TheBlackAdder]

24. RBinMaine-Tell us which DSM-IV defined psychological disorders, and their levels, these people have?

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Afterall, you are making the claim that they have some delusional qualities.


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[Raster]

44. I believe you meant to reply to the original poster, yes?

[TheBlackAdder]

51. Yes, I did. Updated for clarity. Thanks!

[cherokeeprogressive]

2. Swing!andamiss...

Steeriiiike TWOOOOO!1!

[daleanime]

3. Doom.....

Doom I say, Doooooooommmmm!

[artislife]

4. Trash thread.

[Katashi_itto]

5. Anyone who thinks an Oligarch with a crap record who is all in for austerity

and anything that supports corporate America, who carries more luggage than the Boston Symphony orchestra can win the GE is self-deluding.

[GoneFishin]

6. Don't know of any self declared socialists running.

[saltpoint]

7. We'll have to see. Senator Sanders

appears to be drawing some big crowds. I think he did ok in New Hampshire, too, but let me check through virtually all demographic groups there...

... yeah, he did pretty good.

You should know that a new Tarzan film is due July 1st. I've seen the trailer. For people who like adventure tales, this looks like a good one.

[thesquanderer]

8. It it already Groundhog Day again?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511237116

[SheenaR]

11. They get their marching orders in the morning

At least they are consistent. Can't say the same for their boss

[Fuddnik]

50. Yeah, she could be doing a 180 an hour after the talking points are released.

Just depends on what Bernie says.

[ejbr]

9. Sigh

Another thread telling us about the future....WITHOUT THE DAMN LOTTERY NUMBERS!

[Art_from_Ark]

26. I'd be happy with just a few horse's names and the races they'll win

[Voice for Peace]

55. psst

Put your money on Seabiscuit...

[Duckhunter935]

10. no we can't

The status quo is so much better. At least he is trying to get a voting holiday. And Hillary's plan for that is?

[pangaia]

12. OK I'll bump your thread before I go to bed.

YOU AGAIN!!!

[DefenseLawyer]

13. Reagan was compared to Goldwater

The intelligentsia all said no one that far right could ever get elected. Times change. Some people change with the times, some people don't. Some can't.

[frylock]

14. WOLVERINES!!!

[saltpoint]

38. I'm guessing you're cheering the

Univ of Michigan on -- which is cool. But your comment put me in the mind of the X-Men.

I'm picturing Wolverine in a job interview to work in the kitchen at Benihana.

Ok, sorry for that diversion. Back to the impressive athletes at Ann Arbor.

[frylock]

42. Nah, these Wolverines..

[saltpoint]

60. O my god I'd almost forgotten that

film.

Wolverines indeed.

LOL!

[bowens43]

15. anyone who thinks a hill can win the GE is is self deluding.......

hate to break it to you but the american people are not nearly as stupid as you believe them to be......they would have to be incredibly stupid to think hill is up to the job

[99th_Monkey]

16. No. YUUUUGE Guv-Mint

Actually not so big, just reapportion our government, so fraudulent Defense Contracts are
nullified and the Contractors are arrested for their crimes, while their assets seized, like
they do with "drug lords".

Then lift the cap on SS, enact into law the fees and taxes on Wall St. speculation
advocated by Sanders, insuring that the 1% pays their fair share.

Waa-Laa .. budget problem solved.

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. Busy day here on FR today.

Oh, really? That's interesting.......

[99Forever]

18. Always nice to hear from the Surrender Monkey Wing of the Democratic Party.

Run along now and scoop up another bucket of fail.

[noretreatnosurrender]

33. lol

Thanks for the laugh. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read your post.

[Fawke Em]

62. LOL. Thought of this:

[Perogie]

19. and still Hillary is having trouble beating him.

[Kall]

20. Thanks for the update

[speaktruthtopower]

21. He's no more revolutionary for his time than FDR...

but FDR was elected in a depression.

[HDSam]

22. August 2015

called, it would like it's topic back.

[Quixote1818]

23. The Hillary crowd seems a bit freaked out today. The attacks are on the rise. nt

[Art_from_Ark]

29. Internal polling must not be showing favorable numbers for them

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

54. Failing fast in NV and SC.

Her Super Tuesday firewall is collapsing like crazy.

She won't get the wins she's looking for.

[H2O Man]

25. Respectfully disagree.

[cantbeserious]

27. Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD

eom

[AuntPatsy]

28. Never say never is what I was taught early on....

🤗 <- has complete faith that a self declared socialist can easily win the GE considering the outcome if he does not is Not in the best interest of the citizens of this country....why couldn't such

a candidate who truly

cares about the citizens of this country win hands down the popular vote....?

People are tired of voting against their self interests based on such fear tactics being repeated over

and over....I'm amazed anyone has faith that the lies and old fear tactics still work?

[noretreatnosurrender]

30. No He Can't

Is this the new Hillary campaign slogan?

[saltpoint]

31. I think Hillary needs to book a room

in say, Galveston, Texas, and spend a week reading Russell Edson's poetry.

I think it would do her a lot of good.

[tk2kewl]

32. we're all so easily fooled by Berine's fiery retoric

[Thinkingabout]

34. Trump is already starting with the socialist song and dance show.

They will be brutal, Sanders has not been vetted and the GOP has not started on him yet. They have vetted Hillary for years, no surprised there.

[Glamrock]

35. I guess we'll have to see...

As far as I can tell, the grass fire is beginning to lick at the woods. The movement is growing. He's beginning to pick up minority voters. One firewall has fallen. It's looking more and more like we, the peple, are going to nominate a socialist (ooga booga boooga). We'll be testing your hypothesis in Nov.

Some other random thoughts on your assertations.
1.The Republicans are also going to be calling Hillary a SOCIALIST and a COMMUNIST. They say that about every Democrat and have for 50 years.
2. It's going to be a 3-way race unless Bloomberg jumps in.
3. Chill. Embrace your inner FDR Democrat. We got this.

[boston bean]

36. I know, I've come to the point as well. You just got to start talking plain and putting the

realities out there.

[HooptieWagon]

37. The last Democratic Socialist candidate was elected 4 times.

A law was passed because he kept getting reelected.

[Cheese Sandwich]

39. People who won't vote for a socialist aren't voting for Democrats anyway

It's kind of like with Obama. Sure there are tons of racists but they are voting Republican anyway. It doesn't cost much. But the "socialist" policies are very popular.

[Binkie The Clown]

40. Another vote for hopelessness. Let's just give up. Idealism is dead. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

41. WOMBATS!!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Oh, Noes!! We'll have to learn Danish and and be forced to eat Belgian waffles!!

It's a Socialist/Commie/Leftwing PLOT!!

[RoccoR5955]

47. I happen to like Belgian waffles

And I simply LOVE Dutch stroopwafels.

[enigmatic]

57. I'm down w/ Belgian Waffles

I'm in!

[livingonearth]

45. I don't think he is trying to turn us into a Europeon socialist country.

I think he is trying to get back what we have lost in this country. He is trying to swing the power back to the people, like it is in The Constitution. "We The People" is where the power was always meant to be according to our founders (funny- that almost sounds like socialism). Somewhere along the way the power was usurped by corporations, crony capitalists, corrupt politicians and big banking interests. We lost the power of our political process. In Europe, the people through their political processes and governments, maintain power over corporations and the cronies. Their lives are better for it. Ironically, the idea of power to the people that works in Europe is an American one. Even if Bernie doesn't win, he needs to try.

[RoccoR5955]

46. There is no SOCIALIST running for office.

There is a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST running.
Get a grip already.
There are no Socialist countries in Europe. They are Democracies. They just spend more on social programs than their war machine.
This whole premise is so full of bovine fecal matter, it smells from a mile away.
All that needs to come out is the TRUTH!


I have personally spoken to many a Republican, more than a majority who have said that they would vote for Bernie. They tell me that though they may disagree with many of his proposals, he is honest, and has been consistently honest throughout his career. He has not just talked the talk, but he has walked the walk. They do not like ANY of the Republican candidates whatsoever, and they absolutely HATE Clinton. These are not my words, these are the words of my Republican acquaintances.

[mike_c]

48. your concern is noted....

eom

[Raster]

49. Oh you silly, silly person.

The Democrat candidate of choice for the GOP is Hillary Clinton. They've been running against her for years. They have spent FORTUNES accumulating dirty data on Bill and Hill.

[7wo7rees]

52. Bless your heart. Doomsayers and naysayers.

No we can't, and don't dare to believe in something better.

Just be pragmatic and understand, nothing can really change.

Right, RBinMaine? Is that it?

[Voice for Peace]

53. Anyone who thinks of Bernie as a socialist for massive government

isn't paying attention or hearing what he's saying.

[Fuddnik]

56. Funny, I wore my Bernie for President t-shirt today. Got compliments EVERYWHERE I went.

Here in Florida. Went to Lowes, Best Buy, a restaurant, a bar, a grocery store, and at the County Government Center, where I was dropping off our Florida absentee primary ballots at the Supervisor of Elections office.

I've got a good Paul Simon song for Hillary's campaign.

[saltpoint]

58. What Hillary may want to get some

alternative surrogates.

The ones she has now aren't doing her a whole lot of favors, seems like.

I think she needs to reach out to the heavy metal community. Of course a lot of people have said that, and it's obvious. Yet she has no real surrogate from any heavy metal band. Not one.

[highprincipleswork]

59. Do you even read the news and the current polling re public opinion on "Socialism"?

[noiretextatique]

61. bernie is winning over young people, independents, and even some republicans

if he can get some more democrats to vote for him, he can win. more and more people are awakening to reality that the GOP does not work for their best economic interests, and their wasteful obstruction isn't going to help them either. we have the numbers, with the right candidate. bernie has been on the scene for a long time...i think he can handle himself. clinton just does not inspire people.

[Fawke Em]

63. ...and Hillary still won't win the general election.

[Lorien]

64. You Reagan/ Ayn Rand lite DLC "Democrats" fail to recognize that this isn't 1992

Socialism is now more popular than Capitalism. Bernie is a New Deal DEMOCRATIC Socialist, and even many of my Libertarian and Republican coworkers are backing him. His ideas are those of the Democratic party in the early 1970s, when the middle class and planet were far healthier. Let's face it; Hillary can NEVER win the general election. Repugs hate her with the heat of 10,000 suns, and she has given them plenty of ammo. Bernie Dems won't vote for her for the most part, and Independents favor Bernie 68 to her 32%. If you happen to win the battle (by stealing the nomination) you'll till lose the war. But since DINOs would seem to prefer Trump or Cruz to an actual liberal Progressive, maybe that's OK with you.