can we at least agree that the superdelegates are not going to overturn the voters?

[restorefreedom]

this is a total non issue. the supers have never overturned the will of the people and it would be political suicide to try in such an antiestablishment year when they have already been put on notice

the hillary supporters are trying to cling to this "lead" as her campaign gets closer and closer to the cliff. her surrogates are misleading people to try and crush the will of sanders supporters and convince them its not worth voting. but its not working.

the supers will go along with the popular votes. there will not be a coup at the convention. there will not be riots in the streets.

and with any luck, both dws and the supers will be long gone from the dnc by 2020!

[stopbush]

1. Ask Tad Devine, Bernie's top advisor.

He was instrumental in creating and selling the super delegates to the DNC.

[restorefreedom]

2. and he will probably be just as instrumental in their demise

seeing how the potential is there to steal elections..

[leftofcool]

3. The supers will decide who they want to represent the Democratic Party.

In a case of close delegates or if neither candidate reaches the required delegates, the supers will go for Hillary.

[restorefreedom]

4. the supers will support the popular vote

or see themselves out of jobs, its that simple. and i doubt too many of them are willing to go down with the ship.

[leftofcool]

6. There is no popular vote. It is about delegates period!

[Joe the Revelator]

9. ok, lets says the delegates will go with the will of the states.

[restorefreedom]

15. the pledged delegates are assigned based on primary results

the supers will follow suit and support the holder of the greater number of delegates, thereby supporting the candidate with more popular support

hillary will not be able to spin her way to election theft.

not gonna happen, no matter how hard she or her surrogates try.

[Thinkingabout]

5. In fact Hillary got more votes than Obama did in 2008 but what was not added

To the vote count there are not "votes" counted in Iowa because it is a caucus state. Delegates are gathered in the fifty states and some territories by rules in those locations. This is how the DNC collects its delegates which vote at the convention. Both candidates signed on to this procedure when running as a DNC candidate. The rules will not be changed.

BTW, all citizens of the US are "We the People", even Republicans.

[Roy Ellefson]

7. no she did not get more votes than Obama

loyal Democrats recognize that Florida and Michigan should not be included in that calculation

[HooptieWagon]

11. Florida and Michigan broke the rules.

[SheenaR]

14. Also

Most totals that favor Hillary do not include any numbers for caucus victories by Obama

[Jester Messiah]

8. The potential is there.

So it behooves us to send a message that, should they exercise that potential, there will be repercussions.

[HooptieWagon]

10. We don't know yet. Debbie is threatening it. Clinton is relying on it.

So it behooves us to have a plan of action if it occurs.

[Fumesucker]

12. I think they'll try but ultimately grass roots anger will back them off

This election really is an entirely different situation to anything we have seen, Sanders threatens the system in ways that no other candidate ever has.

[liberal_at_heart]

13. With the tricks the DNC is pulling, I don't trust them or the superdelegates. This will not

however dampen my enthusiasm for Bernie. In fact it makes my resolve even stronger and by the way these dirty tricks by the DNC are costing the party voters. My daughter who is bisexual really wanted to be a Democrat so she could make sure Republicans would not get in office and take her rights away. However she is really pissed off that the party has decided for her who the party nominee will be and has said once she casts her vote for Bernie is done with the Democratic Party.

[sadoldgirl]

16. I think that this will depend on the wishes

and interests of the establishment of the party.

If the vote is close and they use the sd group for
clinton, the party is willing to lose the election, and
a large amount of people supporting it.

If the party really wants to win in this case they
will give in to the choice of the dem voters. don't
forget that most of those delegates are up for
election in their states and districts as well.

[restorefreedom]

17. yes, their jobs are literally on the line

that may be the only thing that saves this. because i actually think that they would rather toss the wh to the gop than see bernie stop the gravy train.

[winter is coming]

18. Why do you think they were created? n/t

[restorefreedom]

21. yup. but the people are revolting. nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

19. Bernie is the reason why super delegates were invented

[restorefreedom]

20. and dws admitted it on national television without mentioning him by name. nt

[Art_from_Ark]

22. When superdelegates like Patrick Leahy come out and say they'll vote for Hillary, no matter what,

then no, we cannot agree that the superdelegates are not going to overturn the will of the voters.

[restorefreedom]

23. my guess is it is posturing

i am not saying we should stop the petitions or take the pressure off..i just got sick of seeing threads and articles "look at how many superdelegates hillary has! "

but as the issue comes up more and more political analysts are saying that for any of them to hold to that vote against the popular vote would be political suicide both personally and for the party.

its an intimidation and demoralization tactic by someone who can't win a fair fight.

oh, and regarding leahey, he is going to stump for bernie if he is the nom

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511246169