2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Atlantic: "The Pragmatic Case for Bernie Sanders" (MUST READ ANALYSIS!)
The Pragmatic Case for Bernie Sanders - Political and social change emanate from persistent pressure for a just world, not settling for what is realistic before even getting to the negotiating table; here is an excerpt from this great analysis:As Bernie Sanders defies expectations with a resounding New Hampshire victory and a virtual tie in Iowa, ... On the pragmatics of electability, nearly every major national poll consistently shows Sanders equaling or bettering Clinton against all Republicans. Polls show Sanders nearly tied with Clinton nationally and rising. On electability, if anything, Sanders has the edge right now. There is nothing empirical to suggest Clintons superior electabilityquite the contrary given her loss to Barack Obama in 2008 and her flagging campaign this year. ... Sanders can inspire massive Democratic and liberal Independent turnout and likely win over many white working-class swing voters.
Clintons most persistent attackparroted by mainstream mediaclaims that Sanderss agenda is perhaps laudable but unrealistic. Moderation is more effective, she claims. However, this is a misreading of American politics and factual comparisons of the candidates track records.
The Clinton pragmatism frame is a strangely naïve and fatalistic misjudging of political culture and dynamics. During most of his eight years in office, President Obama has tacked to the center in hopes of bipartisan compromise on everything from gun control to the budget, only to be met by relentless Republican obstruction, even labeled a socialist dictator. Republicans did much the same during Bill Clintons first termpushing him more deeply into the political center, where, with plenty of support from Hillary, Preisdent Clinton and the Gingrich Congress gutted welfare, enacted a deeply compromised crime bill, and reversed bank regulations (something Hillary is OK with even after the financial crisis).
No matter where a Democratic president is on the spectrum, Republicans block and push rightward. In her campaign, as in the past, Hillary Clinton has compromised her agenda before the political battle even begins.
Based on her record and political positions, it is not credible for Democrats to hope that a Clinton presidency can deliver progressive change. It is not pragmatic to hope that Clinton, by dint of her centrist leanings, can work with Congress on anything other than a centrist agendaat best. To the extent that she gets things done with a Republican legislature, based on an electoral mandate of centrism, there is zero prospect of progressive reform on Wall Street, corporate accountability, wealth inequality, or campaign finance. In politics, if you demand a mile, you get a foot; demand a moderate inch, and at best, you get a centimeter.
On the other side of the ledger, history shows that political and social change emanate from persistent pressureorganizing and arguing for a more just world, not settling for what is deemed realistic before getting to the negotiating table. Remember when gay rights and gay marriage were unrealistic? Remember when voting rights, desegregation, and other basic justice were far from pragmatic? They became real through years of dedicated, principled, idealism... Clintons brand of pragmatism surrenders progressive change to centrism. If liberals and progressives support a $15 per-hour minimum wage, universally accessible health care, fair taxes on corporations and wealth, and meaningful reforms of Wall Street and campaign finance, they should elect a president who actually fights for these things. Sanders has spent his whole political life in pursuit of these ideals, and his campaign has moved these conversations to the fore; Clintons record on the other hand shows a consistent pattern of following, not leading on these issues. Clintons brand of pragmatism surrenders progressive change to centrism even before negotiations begin.
The whole article is well worth a full read!
californiabernin
(421 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)that can't be repeated enough.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I've been told here for years and years that the reason they support the candidates they do is because they are pragmatists.
Thank goodness we've got Sanders to offer to them.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... has too many asterisks by it to be taken seriously.
Revolution with asterisks is not a revolution - its marketing
longship
(40,416 posts)And a vote on Iraq war?
And, and, and...
Both candidates have asterisks. That's the way these things go.
I will make myself clear here. I will enthusiastically support and vote for the Democratic presidential nominee in November, no matter who it is. But I am supporting and voting for Bernie Sanders in the MI primary.
I ignore the utter spin of Democratic Party asterisks when it comes to opposing the horribly evil GOP, who go way beyond mere asterisks.
Your mileage may vary, however I suggest that you consider the alternatives.
My best to you.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Or the probably treasonous sabotaging of the '68 paris peace accords which directly led to 5 more years of US involvement in Vietnam and countless deaths on all sides?
Im sorry, but i have trouble believing that cornell west or even "killer" mike have body counts anywhere approaching that of Kissinger.
longship
(40,416 posts)Yes, I will support Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination, but from my perspective is that the alternative is giving up. The only thing that saves her is that the alternative is too horrible to imagine. I pray that that is sufficient.
As the Zen Master said, "We'll see."
(One of the most powerful scenes in Mike Nichols' last film "Charlie Wilson's War" based on fact. Yes, that was Tom Hanks and Philip Seymour Hoffman, both playing real people.)
As Charlie Wilson once said, "Remember! That ball keeps on a-bouncing!"
Support Democrats this year or we lose big.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Unfortunately that is way over the head of the level of our current political discourse.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)"Based on her record and political positions, it is not credible for Democrats to hope that a Clinton presidency can deliver progressive change. It is not pragmatic to hope that Clinton, by dint of her centrist leanings, can work with Congress on anything other than a centrist agendaat best"
Obama was pragmatic and completely wasted the first few years of his term
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Salviati
(6,008 posts)... But I am certain that I can trust Bernie to compromise with our best interests in mind, and I can be positive that whenever Bernie comes to a compromise, he's going to be leaving the table hungry for more.
senz
(11,945 posts)So glad you're here, AiT.