BERNIE SANDERS WINNING OVER VOTERS FROM CLINTON, REPUBLICANS

[Uncle Joe]

Bernie Sanders is winning over voters from all walks of life, and it appears that he may even be converting Donald Trump supporters. Folks who have identified as Republicans for years have made the switch, citing Bernie’s honesty, integrity, and unwavering stance on issues.

(snip)

With less than a week to go before Nevada, Bernie is making inroads with an another demographic: Hispanics. His climb in favorability among this group is in part due to his unwillingness to deport unaccompanied children who have come to the United States to escape violence in Latin American countries. Clinton, conversely, supports deporting them.

(snip)

“These are children leaving countries and neighborhoods where their lives are at stake. I don’t think we use them to send a message.”

And Latinos and Hispanics are hearing Sanders’ message and many like what they hear. Spanish language magazine Hoy details Sanders’ ascent among the Latino community in Nevada. The text, which is originally in Spanish, describes how Bernie started the race a virtual unknown among Hispanics, but now is becoming a respected figure on issues important to this demographic.

(snip)

Michaela Day, a Black Lives Matter activist in the Minneapolis area told Attn: magazine how she felt about Bernie Sanders after hearing him speak at “A Community Forum on Black America,” which attracted 1,000 people.

“His stance on racial justice…before he was campaigning, that’s what actually does speak to me. I don’t feel like he’s just feeding us a line of complete B.S., because he hasn’t flip-flopped the way Hillary (Clinton) has. If you look at his stance 40 years ago, 30 years ago, 20 years ago it’s pretty much the same as today. [It’s] as radical then as it is now, but it’s sad that this is what they consider radical.”


http://www.inquisitr.com/2796760/bernie-sanders-winning-over-voters-from-clinton-republicans/

[restorefreedom]

1. saweeeeet!!! we knew he would do this!!

its happening!!

thanks uncle joe!!,

namaste!

[Uncle Joe]

2. Namaste, restorefreedom.

[notadmblnd]

52. I think a lot of us knew early on that Republicans would come out and vote for him

nt

[restorefreedom]

53. its nice to see it really happen, esp those write ins in nh!!!! nt

[notadmblnd]

55. It is really nice. And the ridicule that some of us received for saying it-

has been totally worth it.

[restorefreedom]

56. on to nevada, and sc! and beyond! ........nt

[daleanime]

3. K&R....

[nc4bo]

4. Exactly why Sanders' civil right's history is a thorn in the side of Camp Hillary

And her supporters.

It DOES have meaning - so they do anything they can to distort, deny or denigrate Sanders' positions.

Photo-gate, if left unproven, would have been a nice egg in the HRC basket.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. I think Trump is a 'bridge'.

He starts out pulling Republicans, but let's face it, on some issues, he's actually a lot farther to the left than a lot of the Republican field. He's spent years donating to Democrats as well as Republicans. He's got no real loyalty to the Republican party, and indeed treats it like a pinata. So once his voters are willing to vote for him, they've already essentially come to terms with voting for a person without regard for party affiliation.

At which point, they see Sanders, whose policies actually make sense, and say 'Hey, I could vote for a sane guy!' And, no doubt, they see him as not 'really being a Democrat' just like Hillary supporters do.

[Uncle Joe]

6. He stated that Bush the Least should've been impeached for Iraq at the last Republican debate,

"stopped clock" and all but it was ripe.

Peace to you, Erich Bloodaxe BSN.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

9. Yup, heh.

He's pointed out the Iraq War was wrong, that Bush lied, that Bush should have been impeached, that Bush's negligence led to 9/11.

And if his voters trust him enough, and believe him, they've just taken a huge step towards reality and away from the delusions of RWers about the Bush years.

[scottie55]

49. Huge Step Towards Reality

Good way to put it.

Trump actually says things that are actually true sometimes.

Amazing for a "Republican" I say.

Imagine if a few "Republicans" actually were moved to enter the real world.

I thought brainwashing never wore off.....

[Mbrow]

7. You're on a roll this morning Uncle Joe

K&R

[Uncle Joe]

8. And I only slept four hours last night!

I guess timing is everything, just as the times have caught up with Bernie.

[cui bono]

61. But not the NY Times and the LA Times.

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[maindawg]

10. I think

That Hills call to use children to send a message was a touch of fascism. Ouch.

[Uponthegears]

11. Why this OP is so important

We here at DU just aren't, important that is.

Let's assume the worst.

Suppose the Republicans come out of a brokered convention with an unbloodied candidate who will be able to portray himself/herself to the American public as a political moderate. Let's use John Kasich of Ohio as an example. Now the people of Ohio, particularly its union people and people of color may well know him to be otherwise, but the fact is that neither Hillary, nor Bernie, nor Hillary's big dollar dark money backers will be spending one cent sharing that information with the rest of the country prior to the convention. At that point, we will have only about three months to get that message across to an American people who will have heard nothing, for what has really been almost two years, other than that Kasich is a moderate.

Do you have a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach yet? Let's go on.

My personal opinion is that Kasich will pull a large majority of the MOR male voters and a substantial percentage of the MOR female voters (although not a majority) that the DLC/Third Way "political experts" are 100% dependent upon to make their math work. If only the usual voters show up at the polls, Republicans will take Ohio and (with the right VP) Florida and it will all be over but the weeping. That is simply the danger you run when you follow the DLC/Third Way siren's call of middle-right politics. On the other hand, the slash and burn smear campaign that the DLC/Third Way has run against Bernie has basically done the Republican's dirty work for them in what would become a moderate versus liberal Republican campaign strategy. In other words, regardless of who we run, we are not going to get a high enough of a percentage of the MOR voters upon whom the DLC/Third Way math is totally dependent to win an election against a political moderate like Kasich.

Now back to the OP.

I have no doubt that the overwhelming majority of relatively politically-experienced folks like those who vote Democrat year after year (and/or hang around DU) will support the party's candidate. Our usual coalition will hold.

However, to quote the old movie, "It just doesn't matter." There aren't enough of us.

In order to win against a "John Kasich" we will need to inspire NEW voters. That is how Obama won. twice. It wasn't by appealing to the DLC/Third Way target audience. It was by inspiring millions of young people, people of color, and dreamers with stars in their eyes to get up one election morning like they had never done before, to believe that "Yes we can," and to vote for the first time.

Here are my questions for Hillary supporters.

First, do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that Hillary can bring out millions of new voters given the exit polling from Iowa and New Hampshire?

Second, EVEN IF you can count on loyal Democrats like myself, do you think that a single one of the millions of voters who are not "politically savvy," but who are the dreamers you openly mock every day, who you have made a deliberate attempt to "un-inspire" with your endless slander of Bernie's character, you arrogant speeches about "inevitability" and who you have threatened to disenfranchise with your super-delegate advantage are going to do anything on election morning other than roll over, hit the snooze button, flip off the picture of our nominee, and go back to bed?

I'm not saying Hillary won't win the nomination. She might win. What I am saying is that the tactics she is using to get there are guaranteeing that, should there be anyone over at the GOP with a single brain cell in their head (because a brokered GOP convention is almost a certainty), our nominee will get trounced in the electoral college.

THANKS HILLARY! <<< sarcasm

[PatrickforO]

31. I believe Bernie would do just fine against Kasich, because as you say he's got

the new voters. In fact, he's building a huge coalition of voters that includes independents, some Republicans and most Millennials. And they are showing up - I wondered if they would. And they are. This is why Bernie would trounce any establishment Republican, because to the Millennials, the so-called 'moderate' Republican is little more than an empty suit.

I don't think Clinton can win a general election. Twice now, we've watched her inept presidential campaigns. She's a lackluster candidate that changes with the latest poll figures. Sure, she wants it, but that isn't enough for us to advance her as our candidate.

She will lose this primary same as she lost to Obama, because she isn't enough of a leader to keep factions from forming in her campaign. She can't even keep her own staff together.

[Uponthegears]

39. Against Kasich

Bernie would be our ONLY hope because he is ALREADY running against so-called moderates and the people LOVE his message.

The math simply does not add up for Hillary.

My concern, the one I expressed, is that this: (1) the Hillary campaign's endless barrage of slanderous comments about Bernie's hostility/indifference toward important demographic groups within Democratic Party (NO, Hillary fans, I am not talking about his hostility toward Goldman Sachs, they ARE NOT an important Democratic Party constituency) more specifically, people of color and women; AND (2) their Capehartian smear campaigning of personal attacks will do exactly what they have ALWAYS done (and why, until so lovingly embraced by Hillary, they were primarily the weapon of Republicans). They will suppress the vote. We are seeing it already. Despite the thousands upon thousands of new voters Bernie got to the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, overall Democratic Party participation has lagged far behind Republican participation. It is hard for me to shake the fear that the win at all cost self-righteousness of the DLC/Third Way has already prevented us from winning against a moderate.

I hope I am wrong . . . or that the GOP is stupid enough to trot out a Trump or Cruz.

[2banon]

60. Very on point analysis.

I haven't broken it down the way you have laid out here, but I agree with the analysis ultimate desasterous results

We've got a lot of work in front of us to overcome voter apathy due to the third way/dlc unmitigated destruction of the socio-economic foundation laid down by FDR, the way I see it.

your point regarding the 3 month window of time once the primaries have concluded.. very short window to turn overcome those challenges.

I'll join you in final retort to the other candidate, campaign and their supporters.

[NJCher]

12. for an understanding of how this works

Please see my post 41 on this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511236987#post42


Cher

[Uncle Joe]

14. That's the power of the Internet.

Thanks, Cher and peace to you.

[BigBearJohn]

13. Great post, Uncle Joe. Thanks!

[Uncle Joe]

15. It was my pleasure, BigBearJohn.

[phylny]

16. My trainer is a 30-year-old, ex-Liberty University student

Republican (she says she's an Independent, but trust me, she's not) who said she'd vote for Bernie. My Republican husband, too. Two of my three daughters (one is for Hillary, but says she'll vote for Bernie if he wins). All in Virginia

[Uncle Joe]

17. Thanks for sharing, phylny.

Peace to you.

[oberliner]

19. What is it about Bernie's message that is so appealing to Republicans?

I mean that question sincerely.

One generally doesn't hear of Republicans lining up to support Hillary - they hate her with a passion.

[phylny]

21. For my husband, it's not really a fair thing,

because when we're in the car and I'm driving between 12 & 3, Thom Hartmann is on and he's listened to Brunch with Bernie for years LOL.

For my trainer, she says that he's honest and NOT A MILLIONAIRE.

"Did you know that he's not rich?"

"Yes."

[oberliner]

23. Yes, I think his honesty is very appealing

The idea that he is not a "politician" in the pejorative sense of that word is something that appeals to those on the right as well as the left.

[AgingAmerican]

25. If any Hillary supporters bothered to listen to Sanders speech to Liberty University they would know

In which he handed their asses to them using simple undeniable truths. Then you will understand.

[oberliner]

43. Do you think a lot of Liberty University students would vote for Bernie in a general election?

That would be pretty fantastic.

[AgingAmerican]

57. Probably 20% would

Watch the speech and interviews afterward.

[B Calm]

18. We went to dinner Friday night with a republican couple. To my surprise they like Bernie. They said

all the republican candidates were idiots.

[oberliner]

20. Why do so many Republicans like Bernie?

Similar question that I posed to the poster above. What is it that you think attracted that Republican couple you mentioned to Bernie and his message?

[AgingAmerican]

26. His positions are mainstream and poll widely popular

And they are genuine, not the product of focus groups and meetings.

[PatrickforO]

28. Aging American has it right.

Every single issue Bernie is putting forward is supported by more than half of Americans. Here's a rundown on these issues from Politicus:

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/03/polls-americans-socialists-bernie-sanders.html

[oberliner]

41. That article indicates that Hillary supports most of those same positions

Yet Republicans seem to loathe her with the fire of a thousand suns.

[Uncle Joe]

22. I believe the times and power of Bernie's message to a large degree transcends partisan politics and

the people are waking up to it.

Peace to you, B Calm.

[AlbertCat]

30. all the republican candidates were idiots.

This....


for the 2nd (3rd? 4th?) time in a row.

[AgingAmerican]

24. This reality makes the Hillary camp apoplectic

[PatrickforO]

27. Bernie is us. Everyman and Everywoman.

He's gonna make a hell of a president with all of us behind him.

[Uncle Joe]

33. I agree, PatrickforO.

Peace to you.

[Botany]

29. I talked to a former republican lite frat boy (now 40) Friday night and he is now a ....

... a big Bernie supporter. For 32 of the past 36 years we have had a Clinton and
or a Bush having some part in the Presidential race. Enough is enough.

[Uncle Joe]

32. Thanks for sharing, Botany.

Peace to you.

[Javaman]

34. who'd a thunk it?

a smart guy who doesn't lie, tells the truth, doesn't take corporate money, has a campaign funded by the people would actually do well!

I know, crazy!

[Uncle Joe]

35. That's a testament as to how dysfunctional our society has become where the mega-dollar rules

everything.

Peace to you, Javaman.

[EndElectoral]

36. Bernie will lose SC, but may win Nevada. The superdelegate crap is another issue.

[Uncle Joe]

37. Sanders narrows the gap in South Carolina

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders has cut into rival Hillary Clinton's lead ahead of the South Carolina primary, according to a new poll.

The CBS News “Battleground Tracker” poll released Sunday shows Sanders trailing Clinton by 19 points. It comes on the heels of other polls that have him trailing the former secretary of State by up to 38 points in the Palmetto State.

Sanders trailed Clinton in the CBS News poll one month ago by 22 points.

The poll reveals that Sanders struggles with recognition in South Carolina, where only 44 percent of respondents agreed that they know him “very well,” compared to 70 percent who said the same of Clinton.

(snip)

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269443-sanders-narrows-the-gap-in-south-carolina

[Cassiopeia]

38. Bernie is our best chance at winning in November.

Clinton will turn these new Democratic supporters back to the Republicans or they'll just sit out the GE.

[Uncle Joe]

40. I believe Bernie is absolutely our best chance of winning in November.

Peace to you, Cassiopeia.

[Victor_c3]

42. The big thing that gets me with illegals is they are desperate for a better life

I don't believe they're looking for handouts and a free ride. They want to work (actually I'd imagine most are desperate for work), escape violence, and make a better place for their children.

I don't believe that we should just open the boarders and everyone in, but if we view ourselves as a compassionate country who want to make the world a better place, then let's stand by what we believe and show some compassion and have a system that allows for reasonable exceptions.

A major thing in my mind is we should be taking in loads of refuges from the Middle East. We created that disaster and ruined millions of lives. We owe it to their people to allow them in.

I don't know what the right answer is, but we can do better than we currently do.

As aside, there is huge underworld of businesses that depend on a steady stream of illegal immigrants. The meat packing industry is one that comes to mind.

[Luminous Animal]

48. Please don't refer to human beings as "illegals"

[RoccoR5955]

44. As I have been saying all along

Once people get to know Bernie, they will like Bernie. I have also mentioned, on several occasions, that Bernie is more likely to swing over CONservatives, as well as RepubliCONs, more than Clinton.
If we want to have Dems win the presidency, we MUST nominate Bernie!

[Generic Other]

45. Thank you so much Uncle Joe

Some clear-headed analysis of the situation! Much appreciated.

[Uncle Joe]

47. Thank you, Generic Other.

Peace to you.

[ThreeWayFanny]

46. Several people on redit say . ...

...... they switched or whatever? This is news? Sheesh, pretty lame.

[Enthusiast]

50. Kicked and recommended!

[Trajan]

51. It bothers me

That EVERY Clinton supporter has been willing to denigrate and degrade his outstanding career as a fighter against racism and ethnic hatred ...

They are willing to diminish his real, substantial efforts, committed as he has been for DECADES to conquer racism, they don't care if they slander him in their quest for political expediency ...

Frankly, I find that to be very troubling ... Which one of us is willing to sell out the fight against racism in order to promote one, single, centrist candidate who's anti-racist bona fides are questionable, at best ?...

I am shocked that even the leadership of this website almost jumped aboard that crazy train to hell ...

Shameful, on the whole ...

[Uncle Joe]

54. I feel the same way,

but I don't believe "every" Hillary supporter has fallen prey to that.

We're all human filled with frailties and prone to mistakes, letting our passions over rule our reason.

Peace to you, Trajan.

[Trajan]

58. Hey Uncle Joe

I got busy at work, and had to wait to update that reference from 'EVERY' to 'MANY'

The same sentiment still applies ... A willingness to degrade a good man's reputation do that a person who does NOT possess such a drive to rid society of pernicious racism can win pubic office ...

[cannabis_flower]

59. My husband says all the Hispanics he knows (Texas)

are for Sanders (although most of the ones he knows can't vote).

[liberal_at_heart]

62. K&R