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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:08 AM Feb 2016

"Hanging on Street Corners"

In the black forum, the phrase 'hanging out on street corners' was used to describe what black kids do. That is a stereotype.
I have no idea how Bernie sees us. I am dissappointed to see him use that type of phrase.

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"Hanging on Street Corners" (Original Post) bravenak Feb 2016 OP
Not just black kids jfern Feb 2016 #1
How does that improve RACE RELATIONS? bravenak Feb 2016 #2
Is it a problem that the black youth unemployment rate is over 50%? jfern Feb 2016 #4
Yes. So is racism which the question was ABOUT. bravenak Feb 2016 #5
Well of course racism is why their unemployment rate is so high jfern Feb 2016 #6
That's nice so why the stereotyping? bravenak Feb 2016 #7
There's a racial component that the black unemployment rate is much higher jfern Feb 2016 #8
So nothing wrong we are not allowed to be offended? bravenak Feb 2016 #12
You're free to be offended anyways jfern Feb 2016 #13
You are choosing to be offended based on a misinterpretation of Bernie's words. earthshine Feb 2016 #66
How does it not help race relations? Perogie Feb 2016 #26
We all had job during slavery. Proof that full black employment will not fix racism. bravenak Feb 2016 #27
That was a huge fail on your part. Perogie Feb 2016 #29
But we were not on street corners!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #32
Oh I get it. It's about being annoying, not actually discussing the topic. Perogie Feb 2016 #35
The topic: street corners, race relations, how are they connected bravenak Feb 2016 #36
There are no answers that are going to satisfy you. earthshine Feb 2016 #68
Oh please! bravenak Feb 2016 #71
shouldnt there be an honest attemp first uponit7771 Feb 2016 #73
He's trying to improve employment opportunities and ensure a sound financial future PatrickforO Feb 2016 #82
I understand that but the question was on how he would improve race relations. bravenak Feb 2016 #88
Thread over. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2016 #3
... PonyUp Feb 2016 #9
I just learned in another thread that Obama and P. Diddy (Diddy? Sean? Puffy?)... SMC22307 Feb 2016 #21
Some of the best musical groups started out on street corners. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #23
It's a good place to watch the girls go by. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2016 #24
Oh fuck, you just DESTROYED this nice but deceptive OP! Bonobo Feb 2016 #10
... PonyUp Feb 2016 #11
More like this: Bonobo Feb 2016 #17
It wasn't that hard but still a thing of beauty, very first post too. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #86
+x100 840high Feb 2016 #31
Thanks for proving how disingenuous the op was by claiming it was just black kids. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #74
Where do you live? SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #14
On a street corner bravenak Feb 2016 #15
I can see you are not into facts SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #20
Seriously bravenak? angrychair Feb 2016 #38
Listen bravenak Feb 2016 #42
I'm embarrassed for you. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #60
What does that have to do with Bernie Sanders? bravenak Feb 2016 #61
You seem to be having some sort of existential crisis. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #63
I don't know if they're purposely dismissing Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #110
It's worse than dismissive bravenak Feb 2016 #113
Is there a term for seeing monsters in closets where none exist? AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #16
Socialism? bravenak Feb 2016 #18
NO, the correct term is "Non-Sequitur" AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #25
Tetraphobia n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #19
It's just a game. At the expense of a good man and his honest efforts to try to polly7 Feb 2016 #22
Sanders "African-American, white, Latino kids, the opportunities to get their lives together..." slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #28
His language was divisive and offensive bravenak Feb 2016 #30
How was it divisive and offensive when the statement was inclusive (see post #1). Thanks in advance. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #37
Once again. bravenak Feb 2016 #39
Once again, since he mentioned many races, you have an uphill climb to argue it was divisive. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #44
The forum was not about many RACES bravenak Feb 2016 #45
Non-Sequitur AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #90
that is beside the point it doesn't matter what the forum was about m-lekktor Feb 2016 #101
His snswer bravenak Feb 2016 #103
No, that was your interpretation, there are other people suffering as well ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #46
Then discuss all people at an all people forum bravenak Feb 2016 #47
Post a link to his reply at this "BLACK FORUM" slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #51
'I said BLACK fifty TIMES" bravenak Feb 2016 #52
So you have nothing, you cannot just scream BLACK, suppose I said just said MUSLIM slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #57
The question he was asked was about BLACK people specifically and race relations bravenak Feb 2016 #59
Post a damn link, you said this was at a black forum, post a link, he said White and Latinos as well slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #64
*crickets* beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #80
THe comment was made at the Democratic Primary Debate not a Black Forum azurnoir Feb 2016 #50
He did it at both events. bravenak Feb 2016 #53
untrue not at the N Minneapolis event azurnoir Feb 2016 #67
Yes he DID!! bravenak Feb 2016 #70
Post the link where BS says "hanging around street corners" in MN Arazi Feb 2016 #91
He said it. bravenak Feb 2016 #92
ok, you got nothing Arazi Feb 2016 #99
Oh please! bravenak Feb 2016 #100
Thank you, that was my recollection as well, trying to build bridges slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #54
So the op made up TWO things about Bernie that weren't true??? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #76
how can being inclusive be divisive? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Feb 2016 #33
This thread needs some music to keep it hopping Fumesucker Feb 2016 #34
An Oldie Goldie, but a Goodie! PonyUp Feb 2016 #40
Holy Cow. Savoy Brown, Street Corner Talking! ms liberty Feb 2016 #87
One of the things that keeps me at DU is someone gets almost all my obscure references Fumesucker Feb 2016 #112
Me too, lol! n/t ms liberty Feb 2016 #117
Bernie is from Brooklyn, people hang out on street corners there flamingdem Feb 2016 #41
You are making me laugh bravenak Feb 2016 #49
Good point, I doubt there was any shortage of whites hanging out on street corners jfern Feb 2016 #65
That was an unfortunate choice of words Matariki Feb 2016 #43
Thank you, I hope he does bravenak Feb 2016 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #55
I'm Black and I understand what Bernie is saying Perfectly! And i LOVE HIM! quantumjunkie Feb 2016 #56
Did I mention you? bravenak Feb 2016 #58
Welcome to DU Fumesucker Feb 2016 #69
Oh boy! leftofcool Feb 2016 #78
Living legend? BklnDem75 Feb 2016 #108
I agree ... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #72
Maybe vercetti2021 Feb 2016 #75
No, I'm pretty sure he was talking about Black kids. leftofcool Feb 2016 #79
Bernie Sanders: "African-American, white, Latino kids" beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #81
Wow vercetti2021 Feb 2016 #83
His implication was clear. leftofcool Feb 2016 #84
Yes it was: "African-American, white, Latino kids" beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #85
Oh shit I hope not bravenak Feb 2016 #89
disappointed Enrique Feb 2016 #77
For Bernie, the race problem is a class problem firebrand80 Feb 2016 #93
Pretty much my impression bravenak Feb 2016 #96
I still can't get over this! I'm absolutely FLOORED! Bernie TOTALLY BLEW IT! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #94
I have decided to get over it because I am now causing racism bravenak Feb 2016 #95
Good grief! (Is THAT what they're saying now?) NurseJackie Feb 2016 #98
I'm done bravenak Feb 2016 #104
It's about a lack of opportunity and a lack of access DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #97
How does tha address the question he was asked bravenak Feb 2016 #102
Giving people a fair shake, for once DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #107
Ok bravenak Feb 2016 #111
I think he was asked if he could improve race relations not end racism DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #122
Race relations is not all, or even mostly about money bravenak Feb 2016 #123
What are you looking for him to say? DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #126
Discuss the racial disparities but not like a fucking professor bravenak Feb 2016 #128
Economics is his biggest strength gollygee Feb 2016 #105
That's it in a nutshell bravenak Feb 2016 #106
So who exactly will fix this, and how? nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #119
Nobody but father time bravenak Feb 2016 #124
Street Corner Society (1943) - by William Foote Whyte aikoaiko Feb 2016 #109
Oh yes bravenak Feb 2016 #114
I understand that you and others are unsatisfied with his response. aikoaiko Feb 2016 #116
Damn.....are you race nagging? msanthrope Feb 2016 #115
Lol bravenak Feb 2016 #118
Phony outrage--read his quote panader0 Feb 2016 #120
Hanging on street corners bravenak Feb 2016 #125
read his quote I full Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #129
I will change my mind about him when he changes his rhetoric bravenak Feb 2016 #132
DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #121
I stand with.. cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #130
I stand eith my black self aint nobody do for me more than me bravenak Feb 2016 #131
Super-predators! thereismore Feb 2016 #133
Black people are POOR bravenak Feb 2016 #134
Lock them up! Bring them to heeeeeeel! White lady scared! thereismore Feb 2016 #135
Lol! She did look scared bravenak Feb 2016 #136
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #137
No. Dont wanna help, they are rude bravenak Feb 2016 #138
Just dropping this here Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #139

jfern

(5,204 posts)
1. Not just black kids
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:12 AM
Feb 2016
“Because what we will do is say, instead of giving tax breaks to millionaires, we are going to create millions of jobs for low-income kids so they’re not hanging out on street corners,” he said. “We’re going to make sure that those kids stay in school or are able get a college education. So I think that when you give low-income kids, African-American, white, Latino kids, the opportunities to get their lives together, they are not going to end up in jail. They’re going to end up in the productive economy, which is where we want them.”


http://whotv.com/2016/02/11/bernie-sanders-i-would-absolutely-improve-race-relations/

jfern

(5,204 posts)
6. Well of course racism is why their unemployment rate is so high
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:17 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie wants to address the racism against blacks in finding jobs and and allow people who want to a job to get one. More jobs means less poverty and less crime.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
8. There's a racial component that the black unemployment rate is much higher
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

than other races. Except probably Native Americans. But I'm sure with whites, unemployment can raise poverty and lead to more crime, too.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
66. You are choosing to be offended based on a misinterpretation of Bernie's words.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:50 AM
Feb 2016

You think he meant to be insulting? You are the one making it something offensive.

Perogie

(687 posts)
26. How does it not help race relations?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:48 AM
Feb 2016

Please provide proof that creating equal opportunity doesn't help with race relations.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
27. We all had job during slavery. Proof that full black employment will not fix racism.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:49 AM
Feb 2016

Now prove your case.

Perogie

(687 posts)
29. That was a huge fail on your part.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:54 AM
Feb 2016

You do know that slavery is the opposite of equal opportunity.

So again, please provide proof that equal opportunity doesn't help race relations.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
32. But we were not on street corners!!!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:56 AM
Feb 2016

We needed passes to leave. Why were race relations not good then? We were not on corners.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
68. There are no answers that are going to satisfy you.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:52 AM
Feb 2016

You need to look within yourself see why you are upset.

Seems to me you're the one trying to light a fire under race relations.

PatrickforO

(14,587 posts)
82. He's trying to improve employment opportunities and ensure a sound financial future
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:41 AM
Feb 2016

to all kids. Hang around on street corners is one euphemism. Another, courtesy of the Bureau of Labor Statistics and US Census is 'idle youth,' which are defined as being neither in-school, nor working. And low income kids tend to be 'idle,' but Bernie is saying that if we make sure that opportunity is present, then many will take advantage of that opportunity and so escape lives of chronic unemployment and poverty.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
88. I understand that but the question was on how he would improve race relations.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:46 AM
Feb 2016

It was because he had said he would do BETTER than Obama on race.
That is not an answer to how he would improve race relations, that's a solution to teen unemployment, which is not a CAUSE of racism, but a RESULT.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
21. I just learned in another thread that Obama and P. Diddy (Diddy? Sean? Puffy?)...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:31 AM
Feb 2016

made similar comments about kids hanging out on street corners because they have nothing better to do. Think of all that wasted potential... Bernie certainly is.

Photo-gate was a colossal bust, so it's onto imaginary stereotypes.

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
38. Seriously bravenak?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:05 AM
Feb 2016

Your a wonderful person but this is a ridiculous attack.
You have every right to hold Bernie to task for issues that are important to you. Two things:
1) it would appear a lot more intellectually honest if you held your candidate of choice to such a high standard.

2) If the candidate in question was really actually doing what you accused them of doing. You stated:
"In the black forum, the phrase 'hanging out on street corners' was used to describe what black kids do. That is a stereotype."

That is not at all what be said. He stated:
"We’re going to make sure that those kids stay in school or are able get a college education. So I think that when you give low-income kids, African-American, white, Latino kids, the opportunities to get their lives together, they are not going to end up in jail."

In that sentence, he talked about "school" as in primary, secondary and college. He is talking about jobs. He is talking about kerping them out of jail. He is talking about low-income kids with little opportunity. He is talking about black children...white children and Latino children.

He has used the term "institutional racism" when talking about the justice and prison system, housing and employment.
This issue is a serious issue for the black community but it is an issue that impacts low-income people of any race.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
42. Listen
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:08 AM
Feb 2016

IT was a BLACK FORUM
Not a LOW INCOME FORUM
THE QUESTION was how is he going to fix RACE RELATIONS better than Obama.
The answer was to get LOW INCOME youth off of street corners

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
60. I'm embarrassed for you.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:18 AM
Feb 2016

"How many times have our hearts stopped in the middle of the night with the sound of a gunshot or a siren? How many teenagers have we seen hanging around on street corners when they should be sitting in a classroom? How many are sitting in prison when they should be working, or at least looking for a job? How many in this generation are we willing to lose to poverty or violence or addiction? How many?" - Barack Obama.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
62. You seem to be having some sort of existential crisis.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:23 AM
Feb 2016

And it's playing out on this board. Is there someone you can talk to in real life? Perhaps get some fresh air or go for a walk? It will be ok, I promise.

Bernie Sanders isn't George Wallace, Hillary still has a chance, things will play out, life will go on.

Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #62)

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
110. I don't know if they're purposely dismissing
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

the point, or if they're honestly this clueless.

Maybe if you put up some kind dismissive image, perhaps they'll relate to that.

Bottom line, Bernie DID NOT answer the question presented to him, but instead gave a stereotypic economic answer.

The question was about RACE RELATIONS.


Honestly, are these people really this profoundly tone deaf. The responses you're getting here
are dismissive beyond belief.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
113. It's worse than dismissive
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:09 PM
Feb 2016

Pissed that I noticed he did not snswer! And mad that I expect an ACTUAL ANSWER. And won't accept the idea that all blacks need to be at work all day and night, otherwise: racism.

I really have no idea why he thinks that all blacks are poor.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
22. It's just a game. At the expense of a good man and his honest efforts to try to
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:33 AM
Feb 2016

make a difference in ways that will improve opportunities, lessen poverty for those in it, provide a decent wage and give people a chance to live happy, healthy, fulfilling lives. All horrible things, apparently.

Socialism. (see above).

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
28. Sanders "African-American, white, Latino kids, the opportunities to get their lives together..."
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:51 AM
Feb 2016

He included all minorities that suffer, please stop trying to divide us, many people are suffering.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
30. His language was divisive and offensive
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:55 AM
Feb 2016

Why is it always up to us to keep things from being divisive but he does not have to not offend us? We have to swallow it down to keep things not divisive. Ignore our feelings. Ignore stereotypes. Always our fault.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
39. Once again.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:06 AM
Feb 2016

It was a BLACK FORUM.
The question was on how he will improve race RELATIONS better then Obama.
The answer: get low income kids off street corners by taxing millionaire and billionaires.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
45. The forum was not about many RACES
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:12 AM
Feb 2016

It was about BLACK PEOPLE
The question was on RACE RELATIONS
Not black youth unemployment

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
101. that is beside the point it doesn't matter what the forum was about
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:37 AM
Feb 2016

if he included ALL races for that particular comment. He wouldnt have included them all if he just meant AAs. Besides, AAS arent the only ones who hang on the street corners! you are just trolling Bernie supporters and you don't even try to hide it. your outrage on this is totally irrational. If he said all the races that is what he meant otherwise he wouldnt have listed them all!

also how can you expect somebody to talk about race if you are offended and start howling at every turn when problems are pointed out and you start screeching STEREOTYPING. You are just using this as a way to go after Bernie, you have no interest in hearing solutions from him !

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
103. His snswer
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:39 AM
Feb 2016

Was to a completely different question than the one ASKED

QUESTION: How will you improve race relations
ANSWER: Get poor kids off street corners


How the hell is that and answer to THAT question?

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
46. No, that was your interpretation, there are other people suffering as well ...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:35 AM
Feb 2016

and others that have suffered in the past. Nobody is asking you to sit down and shut up and swallow anything, we want to form a partnership to alleviate inequality wherever it exists.

We need to be partners in a world of inequality, not adversaries.

One thing we have to love about our kids is that they see less barriers, they are growing up in a world that does look at people by the color of their skin, or religion, or gender. They are more open and accepting to other people in a variety of ways. I think our job is to foster that spirit and not inflict our prejudices upon them.

That is not to say we can forget the past, as that influences the future.

A recent example is destabilizing the ME and killing/displacing millions of people, that cannot be forgotten and it is ongoing. I believe we displaced 25% of the Iraqi people, we cannot forget that recent mistake. They have not forgotten and we have seen and are now dealing with the backlash.

So while you protest the injustice that POC suffer in our country, please remember the injustices our country has inflicted on others and how some protest against those atrocities.

We are all in this world together.





slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
51. Post a link to his reply at this "BLACK FORUM"
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:01 AM
Feb 2016

I thought this was about a reply in recent Democratic debate in which he did try and include ALL people.

Please post a link to where he said this at an all black forum and did not include people of other races.



slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
57. So you have nothing, you cannot just scream BLACK, suppose I said just said MUSLIM
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:13 AM
Feb 2016

WTF does that even mean?



 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
59. The question he was asked was about BLACK people specifically and race relations
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:16 AM
Feb 2016

If he cannot hndle answering about us specificalky, okay but it is offensive that he connects kids hanging on street corners are the problem with race relations. He did it at both events. Constantly. They say racism, his answer is about poor people. Because black equals poor apparently or maybe only poor black matter, or racism is caused by blacks being poor.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
64. Post a damn link, you said this was at a black forum, post a link, he said White and Latinos as well
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:28 AM
Feb 2016

during the debate, but all you heard is black.

What other forum, post a link!

Do you even care about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi kids that have suffered because of 'mistakes' by our government. You seem to have forgotten that in your response.

THEY ARE PEOPLE as well!

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
50. THe comment was made at the Democratic Primary Debate not a Black Forum
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:52 AM
Feb 2016

Asked by PBS debate moderator Judy Woodruff if "race relations would be better under a Sanders presidency than they've been," the Vermont senator replied, "Absolutely."

"Because what we will do is say, instead of giving tax breaks to millionaires, we are going to create millions of jobs for low-income kids so they're not hanging out on street corners," he said. "We're going to make sure that those kids stay in school or are able get a college education. So I think that when you give low-income kids, African-American, white, Latino kids, the opportunities to get their lives together, they are not going to end up in jail. They're going to end up in the productive economy, which is where we want them."



http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/politics/bernie-sanders-race-relations-democratic-debate/]

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
53. He did it at both events.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:06 AM
Feb 2016

She asked him to duscuss BLACK issues and he discussed poor kids.
He said, " I said BLACK FIFTY TIMES!!! This makes the fifty first time!" Then proceeded to YELL at her for a full minute about poor kids. And ither poverty issues.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
70. Yes he DID!!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 05:56 AM
Feb 2016

She asked about reparations for blacks, he talked about low income kids of all races. She said he was scared to say black, he yelled at her that 'he said black fifty times!'
Everytine racism was brought up, he discussed jobs for black youth. Incarceration? Jobs for black kids. Every time. I do not think he CAN discuss racism/race relations without bringing up black youth unemployment and kids getting into trouble. Does he think racism is caused by black kids not having jobs or the other way around? Because it sounds like the former.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
91. Post the link where BS says "hanging around street corners" in MN
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

You've now made the accusation that it was at the black forum at least a dozen times without any proof.

Its your OP, back it up or its just another lie from you in an attempt to smear Sanders

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
92. He said it.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:20 AM
Feb 2016

Now it matters if he said it in MN or In SC? That was his ANSWER to RACE RELATIONS. It was not a question about teen joblessness. It was about race. He CANNOT ANSWER. Cant. Has no idea how to answer the question asked. So instead of figuring out what is wrong with his answers, lets fight about what corner he was standing on when he said it so that we can pretend that he did not say what he clearly said.
The fact of the matter is, you know it was a poor answer and so do I. Because hanging out on street corners is not a caus of race relation issues.

Question: How are you going to improve race relations better then Obama
Answer: I will tax the millionaires so that kids have jobs and are not 'hanging out on street corners'
You: He said that at the debate not at the black forum, you got mixed up so his bad answer is irrelevant and oh yeah Hillary is worse

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
99. ok, you got nothing
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:34 AM
Feb 2016

50+ posts flailing at everyone about how he said it at the "black forum"!!11!!

Now? Suddenly context doesn't matter



Props for relentless pursuit of the evil BS supporters. Another long night "winning" the internetz

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
100. Oh please!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

He cannot address it becuse he has no idea how to
It is his ftal flaw
Me saying it bothers people
Because it's true

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
54. Thank you, that was my recollection as well, trying to build bridges
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:07 AM
Feb 2016

but need to do so on a truthful foundation at the same time.



 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
127. how can being inclusive be divisive?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:37 PM
Feb 2016

Why do you not use his full quote? You are the one being divisive in your posts. That is very sad but it needs to be challenged.

Response to bravenak (Original post)

ms liberty

(8,595 posts)
87. Holy Cow. Savoy Brown, Street Corner Talking!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:45 AM
Feb 2016

I have that lp, and I would have swore I was the only person here who'd ever heard of it, lol!

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
41. Bernie is from Brooklyn, people hang out on street corners there
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:06 AM
Feb 2016

He is somewhat streetwise. People of Italian and Irish descent also hang out on street corners. He may not ever have watched "The Wire".

jfern

(5,204 posts)
65. Good point, I doubt there was any shortage of whites hanging out on street corners
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:30 AM
Feb 2016

in Brooklyn in the 1950s.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
43. That was an unfortunate choice of words
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:10 AM
Feb 2016

I can see how it's hurtful and agree with your assessment that it makes it sound like the responsibility of racism rests on the actions of the those who that racism targets.

FWIW, I think the phrase is kind of an old fashioned cliche used to mean 'unemployed', completely aside from anything to do with race. But that doesn't excuse the lack of sensitivity in the context. It was an unfortunate thing to say. I sincerely believe that Sanders' heart is in the right place and truly motivated by social justice, but that doesn't mean he always gets it right. I've noticed he does have the virtue of being able to listen. So hopefully he'll get this criticism.

Response to bravenak (Original post)

 

quantumjunkie

(244 posts)
56. I'm Black and I understand what Bernie is saying Perfectly! And i LOVE HIM!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:12 AM
Feb 2016

So please don't try to speak for all of us. I hate to break it to ya but there are many of us that view Bernie as a living legend.

Bernie 2016!

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
93. For Bernie, the race problem is a class problem
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:21 AM
Feb 2016

That doesn't make Bernie racist, or a bad person, it's just his opinion.

It's understandable why he doesn't get it. For his entire political career, he's never had to represent black people. Again, not because he's racist, it's just because there are no black people in Vermont.

I do give him credit for trying. He's tried to incorporate issues of race into his campaign. The issue is, IMO, he still doesn't quite get it. He doesn't understand that there are issues of race that go beyond economics.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
96. Pretty much my impression
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:28 AM
Feb 2016

He cannot answer the questions asked because he cannot answer the questions asked. Cant.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
94. I still can't get over this! I'm absolutely FLOORED! Bernie TOTALLY BLEW IT!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:24 AM
Feb 2016

I thought, maybe I'm reading it wrong... maybe I'm just in-a-mood... maybe it won't sound as bad tomorrow.

I was wrong. It still sounds bad.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
95. I have decided to get over it because I am now causing racism
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:27 AM
Feb 2016

I was not on the corner but I live near the end of the block near a business. So, it effectively IS the corner.
Me talking about this is divisive. And evil. And I apparently want to find something to be mad about. I do not feel mad maybe exasperated.


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
98. Good grief! (Is THAT what they're saying now?)
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

I'm sorry. But keep in mind how poorly it reflects on people who say or suggest such things.

This will all be over very soon. Be strong.

(((xo)))

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
104. I'm done
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

No use. I'll just wait the three hours until class, go, come back, find my corner, and cause some racism.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
97. It's about a lack of opportunity and a lack of access
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

With an unemployment rate of over 50% in some areas there are a lot of young people "hanging out". It's not a reflection on their character. There are plenty of kids hanging out in West Virginia mining towns too.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
102. How does tha address the question he was asked
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:37 AM
Feb 2016

Which was ~'how will you improve race relations better then Obama?'
Answer: get poor kids off street corners

Makes no sense unless you take it to a stereotypical place

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
107. Giving people a fair shake, for once
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

Will greatly improve race relations. Employment statistics are not a "stereotype". Sanders said in one debate regarding Flint, paraphrasing "We have to ask ourselves if this would have happened in a white suburb". That's the kind of thing that poor people see, their community is ignored or worse yet, poisoned by greed and indifference. That's what New Orleans saw after Katrina. That's what black people have seen forever.
Of course if you want to go there, Secretary Clinton said black kids commit crimes because they are "super predators" and that people on public assistance have no dignity. If you want to parse words, I'm good with that.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
111. Ok
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:06 PM
Feb 2016

The way he addresses race is part of his problem connecting with many blacks. Because none of that would help Trayvon or stop Dylann Roof or that Inkster cop, or Michael Slager or Tuck and Roll cop at the pool party, or 99 percent of race relation issues. The fact that the first thing that comes up when we say racism is 'blacks are poor' is actually insulting. We are NOT ALL POOOR!! I can get a job and get into college just fine without him, already doing it, how does any of that help say, ME? I'm black as those kids on street corners.

His answer to race cannot always be WORK ON POVERTY. He needs to address the race relations part because I am not on a street corner but still deal with too much of it. Most BLACKS are NOT POOR.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
122. I think he was asked if he could improve race relations not end racism
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:29 PM
Feb 2016

Obviously racism is a lot more complicated than the economic aspect of it. But that doesn't mean improving the economic aspects of it wouldn't improve race relations. Fix? No. Improve? Yes. Most of these issues are more complicated than a debate answer can encompass. Since you are a Hillary Clinton supporter, what has she proposed specifically that you think addresses the problem more directly?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
123. Race relations is not all, or even mostly about money
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

He only discussed the money. Like usually
Because many of us have no money issues
What about us? Nothing?

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
126. What are you looking for him to say?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:33 PM
Feb 2016

In all seriousness. I think you make a valid point, but I'd be interested to know what would have been a better answer for you.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
128. Discuss the racial disparities but not like a fucking professor
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:40 PM
Feb 2016

He needs to get that moment where it clicks
Realize that racism is not a fake issue that is put out by the oligarchy to put barriers between us. That it is us who needs to fucking get it together instead of pointing out some nameless faceless cabal of evil. Racism is bad. Racists need to get their shit together yes it is their fault for holding fucked up beliefs. Its not all money either, most is power. Feeling BETTER than other. He needs to understand race from a socioligical standpoint instead of resorting to his confort zone, economics. It is not comfortable for us either but we deal day in day out. He needs to too.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
105. Economics is his biggest strength
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:46 AM
Feb 2016

And IMO it is a huge strength for him.

However, he does have a "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" issue. As do a lot of Democrats, and a lot of people at DU. We have a lot of economic problems in this country, and solving them would do a great deal of good for everyone, and it seem overwhelming enough that people think solving them would actually solve everything. However solving them wouldn't help everyone equally because of racism, nor would it solve all problems caused by racism. If he could do one thing to improve his campaign and eventual potential presidency, it would be to recognize that not everything is fixed by solving economic problems, and that it's impossible to actually solve them for everyone so long as there is discrimination against anyone. That's very clear, given that wealthy people of color suffer from racism.

He would appoint good SCOTUS candidates, and he would not veto any relevant legislation. I don't personally see either him or Hillary as champions of any social issues, except maybe the one issue of reproductive rights.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
106. That's it in a nutshell
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

I'm a black woman so if I can only have one thing it will need to be rights. People always promise us money but we never get it, but rights we use, rights save our lives, money is great to have, but I was parity and equality. I want to fix the gaps between the sexes and races more than I want to rein in wall street or fight the oligarchy. I know what my oligarchy is and it's not billionaires. It's sexism and racism.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
109. Street Corner Society (1943) - by William Foote Whyte
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:04 PM
Feb 2016

The original subtitle was, "The Social Structure of an Italian Slum".

Whyte was privileged person from an upper middle class family and graduated from Swarthmore and University of Chicago. On an Harvard Fellowship in between Swarthmore and U Chicago, he attempted to use the lens of sociology and ethnography to better understand the differences between "corner boys" and "college boys" in the North End of Boston (comparable to NYC's Little Italy).

He offered a picture of these young men as scrappy, endeavorers who often turned to rackets or illegitimate means of income because of a lack of options. He attempted to dispel the notion that they were lazy although some argued he stereotyped the Italians of the North End. One of his findings was that those who came from families who benefited from New Deal jobs tended to produce young adults who did better than those who didn't.

Those who hangout on urban street corners is kind of metaphor in sociological circles.



 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
114. Oh yes
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

I have no idea why this is supposed to belong here.

The question was how will he improve race relations
The answer was to get poor kids off the corners
Because all of our kids are on the corners
And all of us are poor
It made no damn sense but so what who cares if we get an actual answer, why should we expect a real answer?

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
116. I understand that you and others are unsatisfied with his response.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:25 PM
Feb 2016


And I think I even understand why -- at least partially.
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
129. read his quote I full
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:41 PM
Feb 2016

Did he say it was just blacks hanging out on street corners. You see race in everything and sometimes you are just plain wrong. I almost think you are trying to just get hides when others respond to this crap. I think you are better than that.

cannabis_flower

(3,765 posts)
130. I stand with..
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:45 PM
Feb 2016

Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow - who stands with Bernie Sanders. But of course, I guess she's racist too! Right? And sexist too, since she is a woman who doesn't support Hillary Clinton.

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
136. Lol! She did look scared
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

Just like we did during the riots and drive bys. I lost plenty of folks to 'superpredators'. One aunt got stabbed so many times by a crackhead that we closed her casket. It's not funny when you know exactly wtf a superpredator is cause they preyed on you cause you lived there. I started getting robbed by crackheads as a child. My mom put me in judo. It helped everyday.

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Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
139. Just dropping this here
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:50 PM
Feb 2016

OMG you actually wrote 4 lines. It would help your cause if you did that
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