Bernie Sanders is not MLK, Jr., Gandhi, Obama, or Mother Theresa. He is not even a great orator.

[asuhornets]

He is but another politician feeding his ego before he retires. He will never be President because he does not have what it takes to bring all the demographics of the Democratic Party together. He is filibustering his way through the campaign because the media has not called him out on many of his proposals. He said nothing different in last debate in Wisconsin, but Hillary was ready with different and improved responses.

[CBGLuthier]

1. In other words, he should just quit and let her have it. OK, message received.

[roguevalley]

88. this is an onion OP

Nothing but stuff, no facts

[asuhornets]

146. She is fighting hard to be the next POTUS..

Sanders on the other hand, does not care if he wins or not. He is not in the race for the country, but for himself.

[krawhitham]

166. I think you have bumped your head

It is clearly the other way around

[840high]

200. Jesus H - We have never

had a person more for themselves than Hillary.

[CBGLuthier]

247. OMG, you must have read what we say about her self-absordness.

If anyone can be said to be about nothing, and I mean fucking nothing, but themselves, it is is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Nowadays, I am convinced getting Bill elected was just her first step to glory.

[Punkingal]

268. Total bullshit. You have that backwards.

[asuhornets]

237. He should not quit, but he will not win...eom

[ForgoTheConsequence]

2. oh.

[beam me up scottie]

3. Got it all out of your system?

Good, now I'd like 30 seconds of my life back.

[berniepdx420]

7. +420

[dchill]

120. +840

[cui bono]

175. You really should invest 2 more minutes to read the entire thread.

It's worth your while if you want a real belly laugh! Hell, I rec'd it for entertainment value.



.

[dchill]

181. Thank you!

Now I'm in it!

[cui bono]

187. You won't regret it!

It even deserves the trademarked smiley:



.

[dchill]

189. Yeah, I know. Check it out.

:lol:

[TTUBatfan2008]

4. Hillary will lose in a landslide

Over half the country hates her and there is an open FBI investigation that the Republicans will feast on.

[oasis]

40. We'll just have to take our chances then, won't we?

[TTUBatfan2008]

46. It is a tough chance

Elizabeth Warren should have jumped in along with Biden and a few others.

[oasis]

84. You can stop worrying, Hill's got this.

[JackRiddler]

170. I'm not worried.

She will lose the nomination.

If not, it will be very bad but what can you do? There's another election in 2020, and people will be pretty sick of Trump and his racist ways by then. His latest turn at least shows he's actually less likely to blow up the world than the bloodthirsty GOP "establishment" candidates.

[asuhornets]

261. Yes, Indeed. And our chances are good..eom

[SoLeftIAmRight]

51. people who do not see this truth need to get out more

record republican turnout - landslide - disaster

[Beacool]

61. We'll see. I believe Hillary will be the nominee.

And will do well against the Republican clown car.

[TTUBatfan2008]

65. Kasich would cause problems

...for either of the Democratic candidates. If they nominate Trump, who knows.

[Beacool]

109. Yeah, but don't count on the Republicans to be smart enough to nominate Kasich.

[TTUBatfan2008]

112. Fair point

Trump and Cruz both giving the party bosses absolute hell.

[asuhornets]

149. Actually, the FBI investigation is being...

feasted on by some people here at DU, unfortunately and very Republican.

[TTUBatfan2008]

156. It needs to be mentioned

Burying our head in the sand is dumb. The GOP will not go anywhere near as easy on her as Sanders has so far. And hope like hell, fingers crossed that the thing is wrapped up soon and 100% clean. That is what we really need to see before the general election.

[Uncle Joe]

5. Ego?

That's the conclusion reached when we analyzed the content of the speeches given by Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton after their finishes in New Hampshire Tuesday night.

Clinton may be one of the most experienced presidential candidates in recent history, and yet a pitch based on that might be a drawback on a campaign. She used the pronouns "I" or "me" in that speech 44 times. She used the words "we" or "us" less than half that amount -- 21 times.

For Sanders, it was the exact opposite. Sanders used the words "I" or "me" 26 times. "We" or "us" was used more than twice as much -- 54 times.

Sanders' experience is about them. What they all can do together.

(snip)

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/12/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-pronouns/index.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1217007

Thanks for the thread, asuhornets.

[99th_Monkey]

20. Spot-on Uncle Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

30. Cheers, 99th_Monkey.

[HooptieWagon]

76. Slam dunk!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

77. Hillary talks at people

although they aren't there

[cui bono]

82. Well, to be fair...

it probably feels that way when she sees the pics of Bernie's crowds.



.

[sheshe2]

117. Bernie talks at black people

WHEN THEY ARE THERE.

At, Key word.

[cui bono]

180. Not Good Enough, sheshe2!

Please try harder. Your post isn't nearly as funny as the rest in this thread, and it's clear from the OP this is a comedy thread.

.

[RiverLover]

240. He doesn't understand black culture like Bill did....

Able to screw blacks over while maintaining popularity.

A true feat that defies logic.

The Paradoxical Presidency of Bill Clinton
http://www.blacksandpresidency.com/billclinton.php

And Hillary would be any different from Bill? Its ok as long as there is the illusion of caring?

[cali]

257. Hilly dear tells them she'll only talk to white people

And she thinks Obama was "uppity" to dare run against the imperial.she, sheshe.

[cui bono]

78. Thank you. I forgot about addressing that idiotic point.

There were so many to deal with in that duzy.

.

[frylock]

86. I know, right?!

[sheshe2]

159. Remember this guy?

This man got dropped cold days after he was elected. I wasn't here at the time, yet I sure read the net. Some yelled...HE BETRAYED me days and weeks after the election.

So please don't preach "we" to me. Obama is vilified here and he said "we" long before Bernie.

WE ARE THE CHANGE WE SEEK. WE ARE THE CHANGE WE SEEK. WE ARE THE CHANGE WE SEEK. WE ARE THE CHANGE WE SEEK.

[Uncle Joe]

233. Other than trying to change the point of my post are you suggesting that President Obama

was just trying to "feed his ego?"

[Matariki]

6. "but Hillary was ready with different and improved responses"

Indeed she was! And that's a BIG part of the problem with her.

[kath]

43. BAM!

[frylock]

92. New and improved! Now with 15% more believability!

[Matariki]

198. LOL

[RiverLover]

241. LOL!

[Dragonfli]

114. Is their a 300 page pamphlet available on her website so that I can keep track of the ever changing

Positions and core beliefs?

I was going to ask for a chart but this chameleon changes so frequently often with complete reversals that only revert back again the next day with yet another reversal after that (her biggest strength people!!!!) , that I figured I must be looking for the official pamphlet rather than a chart.

I think it is important to get weekly updates as well so I know who I am voting for on the day of the primary.

You see, I just don't want to be one of those uninformed voters that make mistakes because they don't really know where a candidate stands on issues, morality, and core values.

I want to know the choices a potential President might make given different probable scenarios a President might face not just today, but also on the day I vote.

But mostly, I think I am leaning Hillary now because a Bernie Bro said something mean once about Kissinger and that just seemed so nasty I figured it was the best reason I should use to make my choice for the leader of the free world, now that I am on team Hillary, I need to be up to speed when I go out canvassing, and without this resource (updated each day before I go out to canvass), I fear I might fail her as a supporter.

[sheshe2]

167. ...

[earthshine]

205. Obama is a man of words -- not one of action.

He's is so intelligent that he is truly the master of taking the perspective of the other, which is where he likes to start his negotiations with Republicans.

He has been a poor leader for change, and so will Hillary.

[sheshe2]

215. Yeah a real loser.

A LONG List Of President Obama’s Accomplishments (With Citations)

?

If you’re one of those folks who thinks President Obama is a ‘disappointment,’ you haven’t been paying attention the last five years. Photo of President Barack Obama in the Oval Office cc 2012 Pete Souza via Wikimedia Commons.

If you’re one of those folks who thinks President Obama is a “disappointment,” you haven’t been paying attention the last few years. And those of you who try to draw comparisons with the Bush Administration should put away the hallucinogens and have your memory checked. If you were in a coma for the eight Bush Years, I apologize and forgive you. But please join the real world. So far, this president has done most of what he said he would do if elected; imagine what he could have done by now if progressives had supported him and not given him a Congress that doesn’t look at him as if he’s the demon seed.

Not only is Obama NOT a “disappointment,” he’s pretty much the opposite.

Not only is he NOT a “disappointment,” he’s pretty much the opposite. And no, I don’t just say that because he took out Osama bin Laden, helped Libya determine their own destiny for the first time in a while, and because he seems able to handle international incidents without starting a new war. The guy does nearly everything we elect a president to do, and he doesn’t brag about it constantly.

Is he perfect? No, he’s human. Does he deserve some criticism? I suppose, but I must admit I haven’t seen any complaints that were of based on anything having to do with the real world. One I can’t forgive him for is pulling Janet Napolitano out of Arizona. But the thing is, on balance, he’s mostly stellar. Besides, criticism about certain specific problems is one thing; taking on an overall “Obama sucks” meme not only has the potential to put Willard Romney into power, it’s also a lie. Just because you wanted a president who would give you a glitter-farting unicorn and didn’t quite get that doesn’t mean he’s not doing well at the job we hired him for.



What follows is a PARTIAL list of Obama’s accomplishments so far. Unlike many such lists, there is a link to a citation supporting every single one.

Read More Oh Please Read More: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/02/15/a-long-list-of-president-obamas-accomplishments-with-citations/

Thanks for your post

[earthshine]

217. Sorry. He could have done so much more, if only he wanted to. nt

[sheshe2]

218. If only he wanted to?

WTF!

[zappaman]

221. Lol!

[earthshine]

269. Arguably, he is the most successful AA of all time -- that's personal success.

In 2007, at first I supported Hillary. Her campaign style was so off-putting to me, I went with team Obama. I literally cried for joy when he defeated McCain. There were tears, really.

But, I do consider him to be a disappointment as a president. He threw the "hope and change" bit out during his first week in office.

Comparing him to Bush is a low bar. High-bar presidents include JFK, FDR, TR, Lincoln, Jefferson. Obama is not in their league.

My opinion is that in 2007, he campaigned on Main Street. But starting in 2008, governed on Wall Street. I believe that this is the reason we had such catastrophic losses in the 2010 elections. People were so disillusioned with him.

<sigh> There are questions about what actually happened with Osama bin Laden. (I bring it up, because you mentioned it.)

>> Just because you wanted a president who would give you a glitter-farting unicorn

C'mon, this is a strawman statement designed to be emotionally evocative instead of informative. It doesn't move the conversation to a productive place.

I'm happy to keep arguing with you, but I rather agree to disagree, and have us all be friends again after the primary.

Cheers to you for standing up for your opinions.

[DirkGently]

209. Yes, and ...

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

228. Yep, he's another great example of someone I voted for instead of Hillary

And for many of the same reasons, too.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. If you say so.

OK, he's not MLK, Jr., Gandhi, Obama, or Mother Theresa. He never said he was. But "feeding his ego"? Hardly. He's never been known for feeding his ego. And compared to Hillary, that's a big laugh.

[frylock]

98. It's bad enough they attack his strengths, now they're going to project her weaknesses.

Just pitiful.

[GreatGazoo]

246. It points to a campaign addicted to polls and focus groups

Treating voters as groups and demographics to be "messaged." Referring to voters as "firewalls" and the like.

Seems like they see data about why voters don't like HRC and they try to paint Sanders with that brush regardless of truth. It is not as "artful" as they seem to think it is.

[daleanime]

9. That try hard to sound....

like they came from him.

You have a lovely evening now, you hear?

[artislife]

10. Best of all, he isn't Hillary!!

I can't wait until he beats her in the Primaries.

[tk2kewl]

17. LOL

Zing

I've been thinking about you btw

[artislife]

37. Hee!

[tk2kewl]

58. never got around to rewriting my reply from the other night

But let's just say that I feel like in my life i am always returning to a fork in the road where those 2 paths lie ahead

[artislife]

79. I totally get it.

You don't need to rewrite it, I know you understand and get it.

[asuhornets]

154. You will be waiting a long time...eom

[artislife]

160. Under a year! Not too long still

But you are correct, it has been a long time coming.

[sheshe2]

220. Best of all he ain't Obama and never will be.

Just short of a year left. Best President of my lifetime.

Sadly, so many of you deserted him and came to DU to bash him. Here he is nothing more than a POS.

[artislife]

224. Not me, I have not bashed him

Look it up.

It seems that is what a lot of h supporters like to do. I have his Hope poster hanging on my wall.

That is what many of you cannot understand. We have been against h each time she has run for president. She is never the best choice.

[demosocialist]

258. You paint with such a wide brush

I have not like some of Pres. Obama's policies, but I am certainly not against him.

I dont like things about Sen. Sanders, but I am not against him.

Now, if in 8 years you come back and say I was against Sec. Clinton, you are correct. Just like I was against Sec. Clinton 8 years ago when she ran against and trashed Pres. Obama.

[jillan]

11. Why won't Hillary talk to the media? It's been over 2 weeks. Why is she so shielded?

Reminds me of how they wouldn't let Palin talk to the media.
OMG - did she really go there? Oh yes I did!!

[99th_Monkey]

26. Meanwhile, Bernie saunters into the FOX Den of Rabid Dogs

and kills it with an awesome interview.

[jillan]

42. Did you watch? He was calm. Betcha Hillary will never step foot near faux.

[dchill]

190. She already has.

I don't think it's an issue.

[jillan]

191. Chris Wallace said today that they have been asking her week after week after week.

I don't know why she doesn't go on.

[dchill]

193. Benghazi!

Emails!

[jillan]

195. Exactly - why doesn't she take it head on rather than hide from it? Maybe it just might do her some

good to go at it with Chris Wallace? Confront the beast, don't hide from it.

[Beacool]

47. That's nothing compared to testifying for 11 hours in front of the RW nut jobs.

BTW, Chris Wallace is a registered Democrat.

[Empowerer]

70. Bingo!

[frylock]

108. Still milking that for all it's worth, hunh?

We were all really impressed with Hillary's handling of that brain trust.

[99th_Monkey]

128. Hillary did well with the nut-jobs, Bernie did well on FOX. I'd call it a win/win

I see no reason to attack Bernie for doing well with a FOX interview.

[asuhornets]

161. Because she is extremely smart...

and being the front runner, she doesn't have too. In due time she will. We are still nine months out.

[Bonobo]

12. Weak post. nt

[asuhornets]

163. And so is your response...eom

[Bonobo]

165. I didn't feel your post merited any more of my time than that.

Sorry if that hurts.

[earthshine]

208. She only made the op to cause trouble and start people fighting.

And the word for that is "Troll."

[Logical]

13. Lol, wow do you whine a lot. Nt

[Bobbie Jo]

235. Lol, you do repeat yourself a lot.

Mob behavior is facinating.

[Beausoir]

14. Bernie craves power. He has a taste for it now and he will do anything to get it.

He is unelectable, as we all know.

It's all about feeding his ego now.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. Bernie has been absolutely power-mad for his entire career.

He's got a bunch of huge super PACs and a powerful spouse and he's been planning this presidential run for years, even moving to an important state he had no connection with in order to run for the Senate. And he's been raking in huge fees speaking to powerful corporations! Clearly, he's a power-craving egomaniac.

Oh, wait....

[arcane1]

32. .

[roguevalley]

99. this new anti Bernie meme is amazing(ly stupid)

[HooptieWagon]

113. They're becoming increasingly stupid.

I'm beginning to look forward to each new episode. Can we get a DU function to add a laugh-track to the Hillarians posts?

[Beausoir]

34. Bernie Sanders is a career politician. The idea that he is some kind of "outsider" is laughable.

Let's get real here. He's a career politician. He's been suckling at the government teat for more than two decades.
He is not a Democrat. He is a very ineffectual politician.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

44. That ineffectual politician

is kicking Hillary's butt.

[RichVRichV]

93. I often wonder which is worse.

Being a supposedly un-electable candidate or losing to an un-electable candidate.

[chervilant]

273. The DUer to whom

you've responded just earned a wee vacation. Still, I'm about to make an addition to my IL...

[cyberswede]

50. " suckling at the government teat "

Are you fucking kidding?

[kath]

57. Comedy gold, that one.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

97. Is that worse than suckling at Goldman Sach's teat?

[Art_from_Ark]

204. Well, it's much less efficient

It takes 3 years of suckling at the government teat to equal 3 hours of suckling at Goldman Sachs's teat.

[azmom]

101. Hahaha

[libdem4life]

69. Officially, they are servants of the people and for that they are paid by our taxes.

Just like the teachers and fire department, and police department, and the military....sigh...mere sucklings. Get a grip.

No one I know said he is an outsider. He knows well the systems of Congress, negotiations, creating consensus, etc. He's the Democrat I joined the party to be like 50 years ago. Thank god someone can salvage that mess...which is why he was an Independent. He wasn't beholden to their rigid rules. But, like me, he is closest to a Democrat and is now a Democrat to help the party get back to its roots. Otherwise we are doomed to be moderate Republicans.

When the People are ready the Leader will appear. And are we ready. And that's getting real.

[Bonobo]

87. Beausoir: "some old white guy who has been suckling at the government trough "

Keep it going! This is better than most TV!

[libdem4life]

95. The answer to your first question is absolutely. Your post is an insult to those who do the duty

of governing...make our laws, and many other things you probably wouldn't get...without which none of the rest of the afore-mentioned careers would be possible.

I'm very sorry you feel the way you do.

[roguevalley]

103. im an old white teacher who is glad for hs company. take your ageist crap and stow it, buffoon

[Beausoir]

116. As a teacher, I would hope that you know...you spelled Buffoon wrong.

And as a teacher, I hope you would know how to punctuate correctly.

You see, I'm a teacher. A real teacher.

[roguevalley]

157. nt

[roguevalley]

158. I'm using a phone. I am a real teacher, clown

30 years. Deal.

[earthshine]

210. My career is technical writer.

I'd spell it "Beausoir." You capitalized a word arbitrarily in the middle of a sentence. That word should have been highlighted using either quotation marks or italics.

[Bobbie Jo]

248. Ouch

[libdem4life]

259. I'm a retired teacher. Apparently you didn't take Civics Classes...that's where we learn about our

Government...the three branches...without which...yes, we'd have no laws and regulations and anybody, for instance, could declare themselves a teacher.

The rest of us are the working class who live by what those three branches do. And yes, if you want a pissing contest, they are beholden to the laws of the land.

Still, it was a vapid and vacuous post.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

107. So do you think we should not have a Congress

or if there is one, that they should not be paid? Are you suggesting that politicians, whom we, as citizens of a democracy, freely elect to represent us, should not exist at all? Maybe a Queen would be better, then? But taxpayers couldn't pay her because then she'd be suckling from the government trough, too. Maybe the Queen can be paid by Goldman Sachs, instead.

[cui bono]

111. So you don't think elected officials are public servants?

And why are you into silly hero worship of some old white woman who has been suckling at BOTH the govt's trough and Goldman Sachs' trough, oh and also the health insurance industry's trough?

.

[Beausoir]

124. Mr "Outsider", Mr "Anti-establishment" sure has a lot of supporters who support the status-quo.

Whatever side your bread is buttered on. Lol.

[cui bono]

153. How do Bernie supporters support the status quo? n/t

[earthshine]

211. Such poor punctuation! Shame on you, teacher.

Where's the period after "Mr."

The nerve of you to criticize other people's writing.

[Bonobo]

73. "Sucking at the government teat"

I'll take "obvious signs that you're a Republican" for $500, Alex.

[roguevalley]

106. you are my hero, bonobo

[HooptieWagon]

118.

[TDale313]

141. Abso-fuckin'-lutely

Total RW talking point.

[cui bono]

94. OMG... your other post was serious?

And I have to ask, is this post serious? Is there something in the water? WTF is going on on here? These posts are beyond surreal at this point.

.

[m-lekktor]

105. I saw THIS post first and thought he/she was joking

then i saw the one you probably saw first and thought wtf.

[cui bono]

121. What drug are these people on?

One I never want to try, that's for sure! And I'm not anti-drug...

This is truly bizarre. I think they're just flailing because it's becoming clear that Hillary might lose Nevada and after that SC will be within reach for Bernie as well. It doesn't excuse this crazy thinking, but it might explain it.

I rec'd the OP for pure entertainment value. I'm busting a gut over here.

.

[Beausoir]

131. Bernie Sanders is a career politician. The idea that he is some kind of "outsider" is laughable.

A Career politician. Casting himself as some kind of outsider.

25 years in politics.

[cui bono]

151. Can you provide me with a citiation of Bernie casting himself as an outsider?

Is he denying he's been in politics this long? Please provide more info! Inquiring minds want to know!!!

.

[Electric Monk]

174. Don't hold your breath. They just had a post hidden upthread (#110). Jury results here:

I was one of the hide votes.

On Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Mr. Anti-Establishment strikes again! Career politicians are more valuable than teachers!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1236154

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

What's with all this "rich white old man" business from this poster all over the thread? Can we dispense with the bigotry for a while?

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:57 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'd like to hide a couple other posts of theirs too in this sub-thread. What a rude non-reality-based piece of work.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: give it up.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Anti Semitic imo
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Object to name-calling that is bigoted, disruptive, rude, insensitive, inappropriate.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Rich? His entire net worth is less than Hill makes for a couple Goldman Sachs speeches.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[cui bono]

192. I'm torn about that because I really wanted to see what the answer would be.

Plus, I wanted to laugh more.



.

[m-lekktor]

133. It must be some strong shit if the person thinks that of Bernie then supports Hillary

who really IS awful! lol

[cui bono]

169. I thought Bizarro World only existed in a Seinfeld episode.

Oh, wait, I think I remember that Rove uses this tactic, accusing your opponent of the exact things you yourself, or your 'side' does... oh, I see the light now.

.

[Bohemianwriter]

186. "He's been suckling at the government teat"

Last edited Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:07 AM - Edit history (1)

That lazy, nefarious bastard! Feeding off YOUR tax dollars for decades, sleeping on his
laurels, living it up large on your dime, fame, fortune and inside connections; Just to come in 2016 and try to ruin the democratic party! Calculating, corrupted to the core! With the moral backbone of a tapeworm!

How dare he wag the finger at his uncorrupted outsider and political superior Hillary Clinton who knows how to connect with people!

Bernie wasn't rude or condescending towards Hillary when he wagged the finger at her. He just showed her in a fatherly way how it's REALLY done the next time she meets and greets with Lloyd Blankfein & Co. He's got a lot of experience doing it to an empty Congress while his colleagues sat in their offices and begged for money from their donors for future elections.
I'm thinking of creating a foundation for her to buy one of those big foam hands you get at sports events. Do you know how much one of those costs at the stadium? Highway robbery I'm telling you, highway robbery! Once she has one of these foam hands, then she'll really be able to wag her finger like Bernie showed on stage...and say "Cut that out!"

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

229. The Clintons have been (in your words) "suckling at the government teat" for almost 40 years

But, unlike Bernie, have done everything possible to enrich themselves along the way. You don't get $150M by just working for the people you represent.

[TDale313]

45. Ding ding ding ding.

[99th_Monkey]

33. Echo Chamber * Ditto Head

Do you have an original thought you'd like to share?

[m-lekktor]

63. LOL nt

[Bonobo]

68. Beausoir, you are becoming my favorite SILLY poster!

In the last post I just noticed by you, you said:

"He literally thinks he is the most important man on earth."

Now you say he "craves power".

You are my new favorite poster because you have brought nonsense to a level hitherto unthinkable!

[cui bono]

89. Hahaha....

That's either sarcasm or you've joined the OP in Bizarro World.

.

[PatrickforO]

122. Yeah, that's why he wears off the rack suits, flies coach, has a net worth less than $350K and

doesn't have a super pac.

Yep. Definitely an egomaniac!

[Beausoir]

135. How would you possibly know where he buys his suits, where he sits on an airplane and what his

net-worth is?

You couldn't.

[cui bono]

140. My guess is that they read.

And refrain from posting silly emotional outbursts that have no basis in reality.

.

[PatrickforO]

152. Yep. Sure. You bet. I guess we can ignore

this CNN article, complete with photos of Bernie flying coach...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/29/politics/bernie-sanders-on-a-plane/

And this USA Today article showing the net worth of all presidential candidates and stating Bernie's as: $305,507

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/08/26/24-7-wall-st-net-worth-presidential-candidates/32409491/

And, of course, this Politico article which mentions off-the-rack suits.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/who-won-the-democratic-debate-217932

So there you have it! I must be completely full of it.

[cali]

219. Oh, yes I could. He's my Senator. He's said he

buys his suits at Sears and J.C. Penny. And we know that until recently he shlubbed around airports like any other regular traveler because people kept taking pics, including pics of him in the middle seat.

You are clueless about who he is.


I am not.

[SMC22307]

147. I'm judging every which way from Sunday. (n/t)

[NurseJackie]

15. It's very difficult for me to listen to him speak. Sometimes I cringe. It's difficult ...

... to imagine having to listen to him speak for four whole years. (I'll bet I'm not alone in that either.) I can't relate to him. It doesn't appeal to me at all.

[nichomachus]

18. Well it's either that

Or listen to Hillary cackle every time she's asked a tough question. Pick your poison.

[JonLeibowitz]

25. Are you saying that because he is a man ?

[jillan]

49. Funny thing, I feel the same way about Hillary. I feel like she is always talking down to people.

Add that condescending tone to her eye rolling and I feel like I am listening to a teenager.

[99th_Monkey]

91. Honesty & Integrity isn't everyone's cup of tea.

so I guess Hillary makes perfect sense for you.

[Bonobo]

125. I'm LOVING that the true face of hatred, ageism and possibly anti-semitism is finally

showing itself.

[cui bono]

142. It's gonna get worse when Bernie wins Nevada. n/t

[asuhornets]

172. Same here..n/t

[BillZBubb]

16. The same can be said of Hillary. But Bernie is honest and not a corporatist.

The same can not be said of Hillary.

[asuhornets]

173. that's a

republican,right-wing talking point if I ever heard one.

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. Be sure to click your heels together as you quietly chant this to yourself.

I'd also try making a circle by touching your pinky to your thumb.

[kath]

54. Chortle.

[senseandsensibility]

21. Hillary has different and improved responses?

Why is that necessary, I wonder? And what will her responses be later in the campaign or after she is (hypothetically) elected?
Always changing with no fixed principles. That's cool indeed. Plus, she's a great orator.

[Beacool]

22. He's not even a Democrat.

If he values his principles so much, he should have ran as what he truly is, an Independent.

[dchill]

28. I remember how I became a Democrat.

I decided I was a Democrat. For whatever reason, that's all it takes.

Sorry for your loss!

[Beacool]

35. Meh, I haven't lost anything.

The primaries have just started.

[dchill]

48. Primaries? Oh, you mean lies and swiftboating.

By loss, I meant ability to reason.

[Beacool]

55. If by ability to reason you mean supporting the pony and unicorns for all man,

I think that I win on that front.

[TDale313]

67. You guys need some new material.

Demeaning a good chunk of the Democratic Party for not accepting that the crappy place the country's in now is as good as it gets- it's getting old.

[Beacool]

74. What's getting old is his one note speeches that can be summarized in a few words:

1%, Wall Street, income inequality, "I didn't vote for the war in Iraq".

Soap, rinse and repeat.....

[TDale313]

90. Because it's the issue of our time.

And guess what? It's resonating.

[dchill]

104. One note, 1%, one message.

So simple. It's the truth. Always superior to the bob and weave, the back up and backstab, the projection and the assumed privilege.

Always.

[Kalidurga]

123. Still better than Hillary's three syllables.

NO WE CAN'T.

[cui bono]

138. Yeah, because it would be sooooo much better to have a president who changes her mind on a whim,

saying anything at all to make people think she is actually on their side when in fact it's all calculated and an attempt to say whatever will get them to vote for her.

And, if Sanders is so bad, why does Hillary keep trying to sound just like him? Hint: the answer is right above this sentence.

.

[antigop]

262. pssst....don't tell anyone

Some people actually benefit from the status quo.

[dchill]

72. "I think that I win on that front. "

We all think what we want. Some of us use facts and memory to do it.

[Beacool]

102. And some of us use common sense and life experience.

His agenda is contingent in a political revolution that will not materialize.

[dchill]

115. The revolution will not be televised.

Or co-opted. My common sense and life experience have taught me that HRC, DLC, DWS and Third Way are NOT about me or democracy.

[Beacool]

144. Neither will it occur.

[dchill]

155. Good answer! Wow! I am at a loss for words!

You can't or won't see that the center has moved too far to the right, and the DLC/Third Way/Clintonsphere has made it happen by ABANDONING the Democratic principles that Bernie Sanders now represents. He's actually kinda mainstream, in case you hadn't noticed.

[Beacool]

171. As a mayor in VT said (I forgot which one) Sanders has been giving the same speech for 30 years.

He meant it as a compliment. I don't. He's been in Congress for a very long time, to little effect. There was an article that quoted Sanders saying in 2010 that there were only 8-10 votes in the Senate for single payer. Democrats still had the majority in the House and were tied in the Senate. Sanders is bright, he knows that he won't get single payer through Congress. Calling for uprisings and political revolutions as the only means of getting his agenda passed is fantasy and not based on the reality on the ground that he would encounter if he got elected president.

[dchill]

177. If HRC is 'reality on the ground"...

then 12 Monkeys is the real future.

[cui bono]

188. Why are you against Democratic values and principles? n/t

[Beacool]

265. Why are you all so willing to listen to someone who is promising what he can't deliver?

In his heart of hearts, I think that he knows it too. He's an ideologue.

[cui bono]

266. Why are you a defeatist? I'll bet you're one of the ones who kept saying he couldn't

make it this far, that he had plateaued, etc... etc... etc... Well Bernie is proving the naysayers wrong every damn day. That's what people who believe do. In fact, they do while others say they can't.

What about every invention we have today or got in history. If you were in charge of the enthusiasm and efforts we wouldn't have running water, electricity, telephones, airplanes, the internet, remote controls, bridges, buildings. We'd still be living in caves if you were in charge.

So back to my question... why are you against democracy in action?

Come on, I answered your question.

.

[TDale313]

60. No, because he wasn't gonna pull a Nader.

But he felt important issues he cared about weren't being addressed and no one else wanted to take on the Clinton Political Machine so he got it.

Turned out that message that he'd been speaking about for decades? People were ready to hear it.

[Beacool]

66. Time will tell.

It's easy to sell the young promises of free college, single payer and a lot of other goodies that he has zero chance of passing through Congress. Promises are easy, governing is not.

[TDale313]

85. You can't win the fights you won't even suit up for.

It's not, for me, about this cycle. It's a long game and it's about changing the conversation. Those things won't happen with this congress. But they can and must happen, and supporting leaders who are willing to fight for them and get us even having the conversation is the first step.

And before any other stuff can happen we need campaign finance reform- cause the money in politics is poisoning everything else.

[Beacool]

150. By time will tell I meant that the primaries have just started.

Let's see who ends up winning the nomination. I still think that Hillary will prevail, but of course I could be wrong.

I agree about campaign finance reform, but how is he going to get that passed? The Senate may flip this year, but I doubt it. Probably will do so in two years. The House is a totally different story. Considering redistricting, not much will change before 2020 or some are saying 2022.

[TDale313]

164. Again this is likely a long game.

And honestly, while I have my preferred candidate, I have no idea how the primaries are going to play out. I don't dislike Hillary- there's a lot of good there- but I think Bernie's the candidate we need at this moment.

What I do wish is that the primaries not get so ugly that our whoever our nominee is gets too badly bloodied for November.

[dchill]

168. Free college and single-payer are not "goodies"...

And you know it.

THINK! BE A DEMOCRAT!

[Beacool]

183. They are "goodies" when you know that you're over promising.

Just as when Trump promises to build walls on our Southern border and to ban all Muslims from entering the country. It's catnip to their respective supporters. How feasible are any of these proposals? Iffy at best.

[dchill]

197. "Goodies" are: Bailouts to billionaire banksters...

Tax breaks for corporations that offshore our jobs, allowing offshore accounts, sacrificing affordable healthcare to greed drunk insurance companies. Ending food safety labeling, supporting Walmart corporate welfare, etc.

You surely know that's just the tip of the iceberg. Surely. You're a Democrat, right?

[Beacool]

264. Those are goodies too.

It's not one or the other. Sanders is over promising, but that doesn't mean that the things you mentioned are OK either.

[dchill]

267. Health care and education...

Goodies? That's just wrong.

[dchill]

75. +1

[cui bono]

127. Oh please, that was so 3 months ago.

You could take lessons from the OP and come up with original material. It's far more entertaining.

.

[dchill]

23. Ever hear of Diogenes?

His quest has ended. Bernie Sanders.

[Autumn Colors]

27. Projection by proxy?

He is but another politician feeding his ego before he retires.

I believe your pronouns need a sex change.

[jillan]

53. Bingo!!

[Hydra]

56. You can always count on Team Hill to give an accurate depiction of their candidate

By applying what they say about everyone else to Hillary herself.

[PonyUp]

29. "Different and improved responses". You are so right.

Every time she answers the same questions over and over she has a different response, and she tries to improve on the answers depending on which way the wind is blowing.
She's a professional liar.

[noretreatnosurrender]

52. lol

Don't be so hard on her. Her campaign calls it "retooling" the message.

[NanceGreggs]

31. He's not even a Democrat. n/t

[kath]

64. profound.

[strategery blunder]

83. Yet he's providing people who ARE Democrats an opportunity to vote their conscience

without risking a Nader spoiler-type outcome a la 2000.

Hillary, not so much. Hillary is the embodiment of lesser-of-two-evils voting that has plagued Democratic turnout for most of the time that I've been old enough to vote.

I've been a registered Democrat ever since my first election in the 2004 primary. At the time I only registered Dem because I recognized the steaming pile of turdblossom that the shrub had foisted upon us. Believe me I wished I had more viable voting options since the media had already destroyed Dean for his alleged scream by the time I had an opportunity to vote.

I do not care that Bernie only recently switched from Independent to Democrat. He did it for an honorable reason, so he could express the ideas that many rank-and-file Democrats have long held, that we are sick of "vote for me, even though I'm going to sell you out, because I'm still not as bad as the Republican!" without actually risking throwing the general election to such Republican as Nader did. The Democratic Party has long needed to have that discussion, and IMO an open presidential primary is the best possible venue for it.

[frylock]

119. He said he loved me.

[HooptieWagon]

132. He's a better one than DINO Hillary.

I think I'll vote for the candidate who says he isn't a Democrat but acts like one, over the candidate who claims to be a Democrat but acts like a Republican. Hillary Clinton reminds me of Richard Nixon.

[cui bono]

145. Actually he is a Democrat. But he is not an apologist. n/t

[Bohemianwriter]

196. He's the Democratic Party gone exile...

Now returning after the corporate democrats have dismantled the party's core principles for a check from Wall Street...

The American voting populace consists of more than corporate democrats and loonie republicans....

30-40% of them have felt completely disengranchised by the two-party whip. The Paujl Weyrich tactics have worked wounderful the last 35 years.

The Democrats should be lucky to have a true FDR Democrat return to its midst...He stands for what the Democratic Party once stood for. Chris Matthews is trying to give Hillary Clinton credit for building up what she has helped destroy.

Gotta love Christ Matthews' "fair & balanced" news cleansed from ideological and partisan bias....

[Fumesucker]

201. I proudly stand with Nance Greggs v2.0.08, that lady was a sharp judge of character

[GreatGazoo]

249. By "he" you mean David Brock?

Brock guides a network of pro-Clinton "super PACs," mega-donors and opposition researchers that operates outside the confines of federal restrictions on campaign spending.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-david-brock-20150707-story.html

[Nite Owl]

36. You're right he isn't

any of them but he is Bernie and he's honest and trustworthy. He isn't in this for him but for us. People see that.

[kath]

38. Well, bless your heart.

[Kall]

39. Thanks for the update

[Hydra]

59. Here, you seem to need a few more of these

[SMC22307]

184. Even better...

"NOT GANDHI."

[arcane1]

62. A classic use of "Poe's Law" applied to presidential primaries.

[cui bono]

71. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

omgz.................. HILARIOUS!!!

I suspect you must have just seen this OP and have to find a way to try and invalidate the FACT that he is resonating with people WAY more than Hillary could dream to.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511235841

Or maybe you saw that he has now got a 50% chance of winning Nevada according to Nate's 538:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511235841

But the real comedy in your post is

1 - filibustering his way through the campaign - what the hell does that even mean???
omg... please... my stomach hurts. How, pray tell, does someone filibuster their way through a campaign? Especially when the media gave him next to zero coverage until they couldn't ignore him anymore after he trounced Hillary in NH.

2 - Why would he say anything different in a new debate? This is not a fashion runway, this is about policy and principles. If he said something different in every debate he wouldn't have a 92% trust rating from the people. That's because we know he says what he means and he's been on message - a message that is based on fighting for the people - all of his adult life.

Maybe you like a candidate who will say anything she thinks might work at any given time to fool the people into voting for her, but that's why she has a 6% trust rating from the people.

You might want to change your thinking. It's not very logical.

.

[JackRiddler]

80. "Filibustering."

He is using the unfair technique of speaking daily and constantly to audiences and media about why they should vote for him, and not for the other candidate. It's shocking!

[cui bono]

148. And when there's too many people inside he has the nerve to go outside and filibuster

out in the cold to the thousands of people who couldn't get in.

How rude!

.

[Bohemianwriter]

199. Be glad he doesn't use tactics like this:

[HassleCat]

96. Not Mother Theresa?

Dang! Here I thought we were getting a nun from Calcutta as our next president. I am pissed! Where is that box of baby kittens? I'm gonna kill something!

[cui bono]

100. Reccing for the comedy gold in this thread!!!

Thank you for the entertainment!



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[The Velveteen Ocelot]

129. It's awesome, isn't it?

I hope it keeps going for awhile.

[arcane1]

139. Indeed!

I wonder if someone is on timeout

[Paulie]

126. Thank you for speaking up!

[OZi]

130. So he isn't another New/Clinton Dem?

grumpycatgood.jpg

"He said nothing different in last debate in Wisconsin..."

Also good.

"...the media has not called him out on many of his proposals."

Yeah, the corporate owned "liberal" media is talking about Bernie so much that I keep turning it off mid-segment because I'm tired of seeing him on there so much. No wait, it's Trump and Clinton I keep seeing on the TV all day.

[doc03]

134. He never even called himself a Democrat until he decided to run for president. n/t

[SoLeftIAmRight]

176. Shows his wisdom

the dems are just the lesser of the two evils

[Bernblu]

136. Bernie is a pretty damn good speaker and has a great message to boot!

A good speaker is someone who is believed when he speaks and someone who inspires people to work for him. That is why he gets over 18,000 to hear him speak in Denver and that is why he has a thousands of volunteers and millions of donors.

Hillary is a pretty awful speaker who cannot attract a large crowd. If Hillary was not Ms. Clinton she wouldn't even get elected to the senate, let alone run for President. The entitlement of the Clinton people is amazing!

[HooptieWagon]

137. Pure comedy gold.

[liberal_at_heart]

143. Hillary supporters arguments really are getting pathetic and quite frankly not worth

my time. Instead of responding I think I'm just going to delete these stupid ass threads.

[asuhornets]

179. U MAD??!!

[krawhitham]

162. Then why are you so scared

[SoLeftIAmRight]

178. Is a LOL enough for this silly stuff?

...

[asuhornets]

182. Never scared..

U been hoodwinked, bamboozled by a one-note non Democrat. Deal with it.

[SHRED]

185. Oh look...

[asuhornets]

194. Right back at cha..eom

[840high]

202. You outdid yourself on silliness.

[mgmaggiemg]

203. agree with the title

[JonathanRackham]

206. Old universal military saying.

"Embrace the suck."

[HassleCat]

207. Glad you posted this again

That gives me an excuse to make fun of it a second time.

Yes, Bernie is just conducting a filibuster of a campaign. He received no votes in Iowa or New Hampshire. He is holding the floor and refusing to yield. Perhaps if someone bangs the Gavel of Inevitability, he will sit down and be quiet.

[NowSam]

212. There are none so blind as those who will not see

But I don't there is any substance to your post and I don't have to attend every argument I am invited to so let me just say, I am sorry you feel the way you do. Patience will win the day and so will Bernie.

[Fearless]

213. Sounds like you're describing Hillary to a T actually.

[vercetti2021]

214. Before I trash...

Okay then...whatever makes you feel better.

[cali]

216. Lol. Upset, asuhornet?

Tough.

[Marrah_G]

222. What a nasty post

[Mike__M]

223. This is such a great thread!

Not just for the yucks: seeing the names of those defending this OP is like a directory of the not-serious. I was thinking of expanding my ignore list beyond one, but now, seeing its all just for fun . . . .

[Bobbie Jo]

239. Right?

Mob behavior is facinating.

[cali]

225. Obama is not MLK, Gandhi, Mother Theresa or Bernie Sanders.

See how that cheap rhetorical trick works.

[bowens43]

227. OMG the irony of this post!!! Hill will never be president. You need to accept that and move on

if by some miracle she was able to steal, lie and cheat her way into the oval office that would be a HUGE loss for the american people.

again hillary will not be president she is the democratic version of sara palin and ted cruz.

[asuhornets]

236. OMG!!!

[democrank]

230. Sanders may not be Gandhi

but he`s something Hillary is not....genuine.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

231. Hillary Clinton is not MLK, Jr., Gandhi, Obama, or Mother Theresa. She is not even a great orator.

She is but another politician feeding her ego before he retires. She will never be President because she does not have what it takes to bring all the demographics of the Democratic Party together. She is filibustering(*) her way through the campaign because the media has not called her out on many of her proposals. She said nothing different in last debate in Wisconsin, but Bernie was ready with different and improved responses.


There, fixed it for you.


(*) WTF does this even mean??!?

[djean111]

232. "but Hillary was ready with different and improved responses" - bwahahahaha!

sometimes the comedy - and the reason I will never vote for a politician who has no core, just says whatever they feel is needed to win - pops up in the funniest places!

Oh, and I seem to recall - was it just last week? - that the only demographic Hillary did well with in New Hampshire was voters with incomes over $200,000. On the other hand, I do believe that the over-$200,000 demographic does represent Hillary's view of the Democratic Party, so there's that.

[silvershadow]

234. his crowds of 20,000+ would beg to differ.

[restorefreedom]

238. great satire! colbear would be proud. nt

[Vinca]

242. Hillary has done the party (and the country) a huge disservice by running.

We have a deep bench on the Democratic side and they all sat out because her highness deigned to run. So now old Hill isn't doing as well as she had hoped (but only one subpoena last week . . . a good thing) and it's likely, if she's the nominee, we'll have a Republican president and - even worse - another Scalia on the Supreme Court. So . . . Hillary Clinton is not MLK,Jr., Gandhi, Obama or Mother Theresa. She is not even a great orator. (Especially not a great orator.)

[Nanjeanne]

243. He's not Mother Theresa? Great in depth reporting. Thanks.

All this time I thought he was. Glad you cleared that up for me. Now of course I won't vote for him.

[Fast Walker 52]

244. I was hoping this was satire, but no... just the usual griping from the Hillary side

[Odin2005]

245. Hillary supporters have no right to accuse others of feeding their egos.

Hillary's whole campaign is based on the entitlement of a woman who thinks it's her turn

[raouldukelives]

250. It's almost as if his whole life has been one long power grab in search of the presidency.

Tossing aside positions to suit the tide. Willing to stand proudly with the most deplorable people and corporations the world can produce to attain it. Voting to lay waste to third world people in order to look "tough" and imprisoning minorities for profit. All in search of the long con. I don't know why they can't see it, its right in front of their face.

[cantbeserious]

251. Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD

eom

[MellowDem]

252. Mother Teresa was a terrible person...

He's way better than her. And he's way better than Hillary, note that you don't even try to make the comparison because you know it's true. All you can say is that Hillary has what it takes because "she can bring all the demographics together", but that's not true, it's not like she's doing well with every single Democratic demographic, and doing so doesn't make a person good for being president.

Hillary is a dishonest corporatist, she has used Rovian tactics before and continues to (she dog whistled Obama), why should I vote for someone like that?

[Kip Humphrey]

253. Hillary Clinton is a 3rd-Way conservative politician.

[DefenseLawyer]

254. Hillary, now with improved responses! n/t

[speaktruthtopower]

255. Neither was Paul Wellstone...

people elected him because he seemed genuine.

[randome]

256. He is the new and improved Anointed One!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[Skwmom]

260. There is not a snowball's chance in hell that Clinton could bring this party together. But people

will gravitate to goodness. Is Bernie a saint? No. But he is a very good man with a lot of integrity.

[asuhornets]

263. your words:

"But he is a very good man with a lot of integrity." Does that qualify him to be president?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

270. Well, at least, you left out the EEEK!! Socialist part.

Of course, Hillary is the very picture of humility and compassion. And, well known for it.....or, at least believed to be in some circles.

[asuhornets]

271. Being a socialist is not a bad thing...mainly rpugs think that. eom

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

272. Repugs who won't vote for Hillary or Bernie.