Stop the Fake Anger

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Mr. Weeks ?@MrDane1982 22h22 hours ago Bronx, NY
Everyone complaining about superdelegates didn't have a problem in 2008 & 2000, so stop the fake anger.




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[TDale313]

1. It was absolutely an issue in '08

And I thought it stunk then and stinks now.

[AtomicKitten]

2. your chart is bullshit, she didn't win the popular vote

[Recursion]

3. Oh people certainly griped about it in 2008

Early on the Obama camp griped about their existence, then later on the Clinton camp griped about their switching sides.

[krawhitham]

13. +1

[joshcryer]

17. And Obama won and Hillary busted her ass for him.

Politics is fun.

[daleanime]

4. I wasn't angry about Donald tRump in 2008....

does that mean I can't be angry about him now?

[TIME TO PANIC]

10. +1

[noamnety]

5. well, that's just incorrect.

A post of mine, from 2008:

A quote from one of this year's superdelegates:
"What we do is. . . we are an organization of incumbents, and while we certainly find challengers who go up against incumbents, we support incumbents,"

- Schumer, talking about why the DSCC might endorse Lieberman in the general election even if the voting public picks Lamont over him.

He belongs to an organization whose function - as he lays it out for us - is to use the old boys network to keep establishment people in power, and prevent new people from having an equal shot at elected office - even if it means going against the will of the voters."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4542291

[krawhitham]

6. A lot of people were upset in 2008, including me. But not this time

We saw last time that superdelegates will switch sides once it is clear what the people want. We are only 2 states in so far, many will switch and the once who are holding back will go to Bernie if he continues doing well in the primaries


And you can not use percentage of popular vote as can argument because of how caucus system works. One caucus "vote" could stand for 1000 people

[leftofcool]

8. Why would Democratic supers switch to someone who has never been a Democrat?

[krawhitham]

12. Will of the people?

[SheenaR]

18. Because he has caucused

With these same people for two decades. Never once caucused with the Republicans. So that's a Democrat in my book. You can be bitter and troll some more threads though if you want. It's been fun finding you in all of the pro-Bernie threads tonight.

[frylock]

23. An instinct for self-preservation?

[artislife]

24. Living up to the root word of the name of the party?

He could have run third party like Nader. But he didn't. The Democratic Party had no issue with him running as a Democrat. They thought it was a good idea.

Do you want him to split off now and run third party?

At this moment in time, I couldn't care one way or the other.

[Aerows]

7. Anyone that declares "Stop with the False anger"

when confronting valid criticism is not on the side of one vote, one person.

You have a vote, just like I do.

I use mine wisely.

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. Stop lecturing me.

I would ask... have any rules governing superdelegates and their use changed since 2008?

[leftofcool]

11. The bernie folks will just have to get over it. Supers will go to Hillary the Democrat

[krawhitham]

15. What makes one a Democrat?

[Joe the Revelator]

14. There is a difference between the popular vote and winning states.

Obama won more states, and had more actual pledged delegates. It was fucked up then if the super delegates went against the will of the states, and it would be fucked up now.

[SheenaR]

16. She did not win the popular vote

And this has been debunked ad nauseum.

She would win if you exclude all caucus states and include all primaries including Florida and Michigan (which were penalized and Obama did not even appear on the ballot in Michigan)

Nobody stole anything (try as they might) in 2008. The proverbial shit will hit the fan if they are successful at it this year.

[joshcryer]

19. Of the seated delegates representing a candidate...

...her delegates represented a larger population.

Because, for unity, FL and MI were seated, Clinton got more votes, period.

[SheenaR]

20. Sure thing.

Simply false.

Show me the caucus popular vote totals please.

I'll wait. Forever.

[sadoldgirl]

21. I think that this problem could be

solved by demanding of the super delegate
to vote with the majority of her/his district
or state. This would not only give them the
power that want, but also the votes they
need to get reelected.

[PoliticAverse]

22. Apparently someone was in a coma in 2008 and missed the superdelegate issue then. n/t