Clinton could compromise on abortion?

[HooptieWagon]

I wonder if PP is going to re-think that early endorsement.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html#ooid=N1ODF1dzpHyB52_cmPb77qDHRLMY2We_

[Thinkingabout]

1. What are you trying to say? I doubt Hillary is going to change her mind

And with other issues PP will not be regretting their early endorsement.

[PonyUp]

3. "doubt Hillary is going to change her mind"

[Thinkingabout]

9. Yes it is very funny some thinking silly thoughts.

[HooptieWagon]

7. Read the article.

It sounds like Clinton would put abortion on the negotiating table, as long as the woman's health is assured. That's quite a flip flop. She simply can't be trusted.

[Ferd Berfel]

49. Obama put Social Security on the chopping block

Why not this?

[HooptieWagon]

50. I disagree with both of them.

Neither SS or choice should be placed on the negotiating table.

[Ferd Berfel]

52. agree - but Obama actually did it - and it appears that Hillary will do the same

....with abortion and SS.

[Ferd Berfel]

58. Some people notice, Some don't

[mgmaggiemg]

22. agree

[cui bono]

23. You better hope she does. Did you go to the link??? That's NOT a Pro-Choice position. n/t

[A Simple Game]

28. That was obviously a poor excuse for an actress that was in that clip.

Hillary doesn't look or sound like that at all. Why would anyone believe those were Hillary's own words?

When will people wake up to the facts about this woman?

[beam me up scottie]

2. Whoa.

I knew she supported a ban on late term abortions in the past but I thought she had evolved.

[mgmaggiemg]

4. nice try but no cigar

it's clever because the republicans will never go there and she knows that...it's a great way to look reasonable to your opponent and put the responsibility and blame on them...she puts the ball in their court on something they will of course refuse to take action on...

[still_one]

12. It was very specifically talking only about late term abortion

This OP is trying to give the impression it applies to everything and that is a deliberate misrepresentation to make it appear it applies to everything

[madfloridian]

15. Late term abortion is usually about life or death situations or great deformity.

Parents should be able to decide this with their doctor. It should be their decision always when facing the birth of a child who might live in pain and/or need constant care.

[mgmaggiemg]

20. agree

[roguevalley]

25. no one outside the family has a say in my book especially politicians of

which HRC is one. Stay out of people's pants.

Here is her quote:

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action."

SHE IS OPEN TO RESTRICTING ABORTION. Never vote for her ever.

[haikugal]

59. Thank you very much!!

I can't stand all the pearl clutching around 'late term abortions' and anyone who doesn't realize that Clinton has limited support for women having a choice or control over their bodies hasn't been paying attention. Why else would she say 'rare'? Why should abortion be rare?

[mgmaggiemg]

19. splitting hairs....

the point is she is throwing the responsibility (and blame) back on them where it belongs.

[Cassiopeia]

41. So now we rely on Republicans not compromising to maintain our rights and values.

If they do compromise, Clinton may hurt women's rights.

Wow, just fucking wow.

[beam me up scottie]

44. Incredible, isn't it? Imagine for ONE moment if Bernie had said that.

This place would go nuclear.

This is why Bernie has my support, I trust him to never put our rights on the table.

[Cassiopeia]

45. It really is.

I know they've been able to pull off amazing pretzel positions before, but this new pretzel shape is unbelievable.

I imagine if Clinton came out saying she drowns kittens and puppies for fun in her off time her supporters would celebrate it.

[mgmaggiemg]

46. that's not the point cass n/t

the point is they are so extreme they will never compromise...as a Bernie supporter you should clearly see that...that fact that you don't makes me wonder if you are a pseudo bernie supporter....and it also never hurts to look reasonable to your opponent while laying responsibility in their lap as you are trying to do now to HRC for doing exactly that...

[Cassiopeia]

53. Some things do not belong on the table.

It's that simple.

The only thing I am laying in Hillary's lap came out of her own mouth. She is willing to compromise on women's rights.

[mgmaggiemg]

62. you aren't a girl are you?

just curious

[hobbit709]

67. You do know the history of the name? Or maybe not.

[Ed Suspicious]

48. There are certain things we don't put on the table.

[Ilsa]

61. That sums it up.

She's not taking a position to defend abortion rights, but is willing to compromise when the GOP does. Screw that.

And now let's apply that comment about women having a special place in hell for not helping other women.

[mcar]

5. No

[CharlotteVale]

6. There she goes again with her "if there is a way to not screw over

(fill in name of singled out subgroup) while I compromise away the rights of the rest of them, I'll deal."

This is exactly the same bullshit she's pulling with Social Security.

[still_one]

8. Bullshit. It was discussing late term abortion, not other cases. She is not compromising

[madfloridian]

11. Late term abortion is usually about life or death situations or great deformity.

There should be no compromise on that.

[still_one]

14. and that is what she is saying. Replies wanted it banned in all cases

Of late term abortion including life of the mother

not HILLARY

Just look at her voting recorf

[madfloridian]

16. You don't compromise on that issue at all.

[A Simple Game]

30. Once you unlock the door and open it a little... who know what could be next.

In that 30 second clip she just gave the Republicans enough encouragement to keep it up the abortion fight for 8 more years.

[still_one]

35. You do realize abortion currently is only legal up to 26 weeks unless the life of the mother

That is what it is, not what it should be. What the replies were trying to do is ban late term abortion in all cases and she opposed that

[Cassiopeia]

43. On state levels only.

She was discussing making it a federal law.

[cui bono]

24. That's not what she's saying or she wouldn't say she would compromise.

She only mentioned the life of the mother. It's not okay to compromise my right to my body.

.

[Voice for Peace]

64. No politician has any business in this choice,

and that's something to stand up for.

[winter is coming]

68. +1. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

13. She shouldn't compromise with the right on abortion AT ALL.

[Beowulf]

10. When triangulation is your go-to strategy for getting things done,

everything is negotiable. I used to think reproductive rights would be the one issue she would fight to the end to protect. Now I'm not so sure.

[beam me up scottie]

17. She capitulated once before on late term abortion and even used right wing terminology:

Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk

Q: Are there circumstances when the government should limit choice?

LAZIO: I had a pro-choice record in the House, and I believe in a woman’s right to choose. I support a ban on partial-birth abortions. Senator Moynihan called it “infanticide.” Even former mayor Ed Koch agreed that this was too extreme a procedure. This is an area where I disagree with my opponent. My opponent opposes a ban on partial-birth abortions.

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.

Source: Senate debate in Manhattan , Oct 8, 2000

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

[jwirr]

63. You are correct to be worried. Triangulation is the art of

wheeler dealing and making trade offs. And for her it all revolves around herself.

If the question is between what is good for the people or what is good for herself you can bet we are not going to win.

Just as an example: Glass-Steagall. The repeal of that bill did nothing for us little people and actually hurt those who lost their pensions. But it did a lot to help move the wealth of the nation upward and help the 1%.

[Oilwellian]

18. Good grief

Does she not know why a woman may have to have a late term abortion? This will not go well for her.

[tk2kewl]

21. come on...

that was almost 5 months ago. i'm sure she has a different position by now.

[valerief]

26. No we can't! No we can't! Now, watch this dance. nt

[DirkGently]

27. Wait. What, now? A "Constitutional restriction?"

I must have misunderstood what Ms. Clinton said there. Surely she didn't mean she would be amenable to a ban on abortion if it took into account only "the life of the mother?"

She can't mean that. There is no way in the world NARAL or PP would endorse a position like that.

So what is she actually saying?

[JonLeibowitz]

56. She means actions which are themselves constitutional, i.e. do not run afoul of Roe v. Wade.

She is not speaking of a constitutional ban.

[DirkGently]

60. Yes, I realized that after a moment. But she is

talking about a ban on late-term abortions.

[merrily]

29. Compromise is not the issue. The issue is, first, that choice is a Constitutional issue.

Last edited Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Second, it is a matter for Congress (assuming no violation of SCOTUS Constitutional cases). Only then is the issue even for a POTUS. And then, the issues are what your starting position is and how skillful you are at negotiation, esp. negotiating across the aisle.

AFAIK, Hillary's Senate record is not getting any substantive bill or amendment that she wrote passed. None. Not even two tries at an unconstitutional flag burning bill that Republicans introduce just about every session. As First Lady, she even failed to get a Democratic Congress to look favorably at Billarycare. And I don't think signaling now that she is ready to compromise helps anything in terms of a successful negotiation. Of course, that is not why she is signaling now. Obviously, she is signaling now because she thinks it may help her Presidential campaign. As between choice and becoming the first woman President, her priority seems clear.

[madfloridian]

32. Yea, I just noticed that. Scary stuff.

[madfloridian]

31. Whoa! She's talking a constitutional action there. No way!!

She talks about life and health of mother, BUT what about a seriously deformed child discovered a little too late? That of all things must be a choice for parents.

[still_one]

37. She said that too in the article

[JonLeibowitz]

55. She doesn't mean action by way of the constitution. She means action consistent with it.

I.e. doesn't run afoul of Roe v. Wade.

She's not actually talking about a constitutional amendment -- that would be a far bigger deal.

[PeaceNikki]

33. I trust that Cecile Richards and Ilyse Hogue have fully vetted HRC.

[BillZBubb]

54. I don't.

[eridani]

65. Like most of Clinton's endorsments, they never polled their membership n/t

[OilemFirchen]

34. Nothing she says here is inconsistent with Roe v. Wade. (n/t)

[still_one]

36. Absolutely but the hair on fire gang loves to distort.

[farleftlib]

38. Say what? She wants to be 1st woman POTUS

and she's willing to compromise on choice under certain "circumstances." Don't go there, Hillary.

And who decides "health of the mother?" a male doctor? Strangers?

Oh hell no!!!

[MuseRider]

39. Well now

that certainly changes some things. Really? I have always said that because of women's issues I would swallow every bit of my disgust and vote for her.

I am going to have to think long and hard now. So she might be only a tiny bit better than the Republicans on this issue? Not good enough. Not even close.

[farleftlib]

40. I can't believe this!

A constitutional ban? She has lost her mind. There go women under the bus. So much for women sticking up for other women.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

42. Then she's truly toast, in my mind.

[cheapdate]

47. I almost have a grudging respect for right-wing propaganda.

They're unethical and morally bankrupt, but they know what works. Like this. Attack your opponent's strength. Wow. RealClearPolitics, you're an evil genius.

[BlueMTexpat]

51. Pure unadulterated

merde de taureau!

Nice try, but no cigar.

[farleftlib]

57. How is iit bullshit?

I watched the video and those are her exact words.

Putting women's rights on the table is indefensible, but I can hardly wait for your brilliant defense of this.

[Warren DeMontague]

66. NY Times June, 2006: "Clinton seeks middle ground in abortion debate"

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/13/nyregion/13cnd-hillary.html