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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:42 PM Feb 2016

UPDATED: A Clinton Minion on why Hillary is having such a tough time of it...

Last edited Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:50 PM - Edit history (4)

WASHINGTON • Much of Hillary Clinton's difficulty in this campaign stems from a single, unalterable fact: She is a woman.

I'm not referring primarily to the Bernie Bros, those Bernie Sanders supporters who fill the Internet with misogynistic filth about Clinton. What drags down her candidacy is more pervasive and far subtler — unconscious, even.

(Wow, are you sure self-identified online Bernie Bros are really Bernie supporters? Have you ever heard of a campaign dirty trick? Amazing how it feeds right into her sexism theme, what a coincidence... But hey Dana, you are a good little Minion.)

"It's very hard for a woman to telegraph passion," she explained. "When Bernie yells, it shows his dedication to the cause. When she yells, it's interpreted in a very different way: She's yelling at you."

(Well, when your true passion is for your 1% buddies and your own self-enrichment but you are trying to portray passion for the little people I admit it must be a hard job.)

Campaigning While Female also deprives Clinton of the ability to make lofty promises. Sanders, for example, has a $15 trillion nonstarter of a health care plan. If Clinton floated such a plan, the media would mock it as patently absurd. But Sanders gets a pass.

(They are constantly attacking Sanders while NEVER questioning her so called plans, her disastrous record on foreign policy, or how a person reviled by the opposing side will ever get anything done - that is unless it's reaching across the aisle to her Corporate Republican Buddies to deliver for the 1%.)

This is the essence of Clinton's trouble: If she can't plausibly offer pie-in-the-sky, and she can't raise her voice, how does she inspire people? This hurts particularly with young voters — the same segment that shunned Clinton in 2008. (The problem is young people are a LOT smarter than you give them credit for AND they are more ethical. Therein lies a REAL HUGE problem. And it is only pie in the sky to those who want to continue "business as usual.&quot

(And the piece de resistance delivered by Clinton's Minion:

There's not much Clinton can do about this. But she can make the case that while Sanders talks "revolution," her presidency actually would be one, because the first female president would govern differently from her 44 predecessors.

(Play that SEXISM card. Poor Hillary, it's not her fault. It's those sexist voters and young voters that she just can't seem to "shake some sense into." And do I think Clinton will govern any differently than she did in the past with her husband - remember the two for one, or different than a male corporatist? No.)

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/3536765-155/milbank-the-sexist-double-standards-hurting

UPDATE: And you know what really pisses me off as a woman? When you falsely accuse people of sexism it hurts the women who are actually being subjected to sexism. But with your minions constantly playing this card, those women may just be accused of "pulling a Clinton" and their valid concerns dismissed.

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UPDATED: A Clinton Minion on why Hillary is having such a tough time of it... (Original Post) Skwmom Feb 2016 OP
Bullshit it's because she's a corporatist why do her supporters try to make her the victim all of JRLeft Feb 2016 #1
because it feels good and its easy. That she is a terrible candidate, roguevalley Feb 2016 #18
It's still likely she pulls it out. JRLeft Feb 2016 #19
I am not surprised about Nevada. But still, all in all, I am. Then I remember that roguevalley Feb 2016 #30
Let's keep fighting the good fight. JRLeft Feb 2016 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #2
I agree with your commentary. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #3
Lots of truth to that. I admire her for not promising "pie in the sky" and playing the long game. Hoyt Feb 2016 #4
It's only pie in the sky to Clinton b/c she has to deliver to the 1%. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #14
We Us Together - Vs - Me MyBank And I -- The 1% Will Not Be Denied - Unless The People Prevail cantbeserious Feb 2016 #5
"the first female president would govern differently from her 44 predecessors" MisterP Feb 2016 #6
... PonyUp Feb 2016 #7
No. Clinton is NOT the minion. It is Dana Milbank and other Media hacks. Could you change that? Skwmom Feb 2016 #15
Edited. nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #16
Thanks! Skwmom Feb 2016 #17
No, Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #8
FIRST THING when I googled Dana Milbank MisterP Feb 2016 #9
What a tone deaf article. "I'm a strong woman who can stand up to the Republicans" . . . Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #10
I see SHIT TONS of people complaining about Bernie's "annoying" yelling! m-lekktor Feb 2016 #11
If Bernie and Hillary were the same gender, Bernie would be the frontrunner jfern Feb 2016 #12
Yes, if Bernie were "Bernice", I would vote for Bernice n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #40
And "Bernice" would be beating the crap out of "Harry" jfern Feb 2016 #41
She has EVERY advantage this time, even more so than in 2008. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #13
Milbank heavily edited an Obama quote to make it sound arrogant then accused him of 'hubris' in 08 Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #20
I am not surprised in the least. They had to make him appear uppity... What they fail to understand Skwmom Feb 2016 #24
Bernie's doesn't need to hide anything, he speaks his truth. Not snagglepuss Feb 2016 #21
If it was Elizabeth Warren running DU would be completely behind her Quixote1818 Feb 2016 #22
"Hard for a woman to telegraph passion" Paulie Feb 2016 #23
She is fabulous and the kind of woman you can be proud of! n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #25
If Dana wants to see a woman radiating passion, he should check out Nina Turner. snagglepuss Feb 2016 #26
Dana is a he. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #28
This is a more analytical piece saltpoint Feb 2016 #27
Great Read. You should make a separate post. Skwmom Feb 2016 #29
Skwmom, I'll just say take it and run saltpoint Feb 2016 #31
It you want to see how a woman telegraphs passion watch Elizabeth Warren. It's speaking style... PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #32
You're calling Dana Milbank a Hillary minion? Milbank of "mad bitch beer" infamy?!? Metric System Feb 2016 #34
Brock switched sides. Follow the money... Skwmom Feb 2016 #35
some minon dsc Feb 2016 #36
I am so sick of the "vote for me or you are a sexist pig" horseshit. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #37
Clinton and her surrogates are ever persecuted and always victims. mhatrw Feb 2016 #38
I can refute this whining in two words Boomer Feb 2016 #39
Oh bull. Plenty of female candidates in history who've navigated that line Arazi Feb 2016 #42
Gender is a net plus for Clinton. Jim Lane Feb 2016 #43
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
1. Bullshit it's because she's a corporatist why do her supporters try to make her the victim all of
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:45 PM
Feb 2016

time? She tends to be dishonest all of the time and make decisions based off of polling.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
18. because it feels good and its easy. That she is a terrible candidate,
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:26 PM
Feb 2016

had a smug idea that she was going to win without trying, vacations with war criminals, expects women to vote for her because vaginas ... I could go on forever. That's why she's losing.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
19. It's still likely she pulls it out.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:29 PM
Feb 2016

If she wasn't all over the place this election would have been over already.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
30. I am not surprised about Nevada. But still, all in all, I am. Then I remember that
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie is the candidate I have waited for and it makes sense. She has never been good at campaigning and keeping her to little groups have laid bare her biggest weakness, retail politics.

Response to Skwmom (Original post)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Lots of truth to that. I admire her for not promising "pie in the sky" and playing the long game.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:49 PM
Feb 2016

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
5. We Us Together - Vs - Me MyBank And I -- The 1% Will Not Be Denied - Unless The People Prevail
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

The choice is clear.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
6. "the first female president would govern differently from her 44 predecessors"
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

but how?
"women hold up half the world!"
but HOW?
"it's time for someone who's not a man"
but how exactly would she be different from everyone, from Washington to Obama?
"it's HER turn"
but what policy proposal or record shows her to be revolutionary?
"we will NOT be silenced!"

and how do they figure that *being female* keeps one from making promises?

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
15. No. Clinton is NOT the minion. It is Dana Milbank and other Media hacks. Could you change that?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:04 PM
Feb 2016

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
10. What a tone deaf article. "I'm a strong woman who can stand up to the Republicans" . . .
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:55 PM
Feb 2016

"I'm a put-upon woman that everyone just dumps on because of sexism".

Yeah . . . that's a winner strategy.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
11. I see SHIT TONS of people complaining about Bernie's "annoying" yelling!
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:56 PM
Feb 2016

I guess Milbank's conclusion is more *scientific* than my anecdotal one!

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
13. She has EVERY advantage this time, even more so than in 2008.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

She plays the GENDER card to her advantage, getting knuckleheads like Dana Milbank to regurgitate such nonsense that she is so put upon while she and her campaign launch a vicious campaign of lies and dirty tricks against Bernie. In fact, recall from 2008 how she pummeled Obama with racist dog-whistles all the while complaining how she was the victim.

Hillary Struggles Against Sexism but Regularly Plays the Race Card.
http://www.alternet.org/story/84150/hillary_struggles_against_sexism_but_regularly_plays_race_card

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. Milbank heavily edited an Obama quote to make it sound arrogant then accused him of 'hubris' in 08
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:37 PM
Feb 2016

In 2008 Dana Milbank appeared in the role of Jonathan Capehart in matinee performances.....

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
24. I am not surprised in the least. They had to make him appear uppity... What they fail to understand
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:51 PM
Feb 2016

is they turn people off with that kind of crap.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
21. Bernie's doesn't need to hide anything, he speaks his truth. Not
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:37 PM
Feb 2016

having to maintain an image that is at odds with his real self, Bernie can let it rip and that is what people respond to.

Hillary OTOH does not speak her truth because her truth at odds with the persona she has created. Evidenced by the vast wealth she and Willy have accumulated, her donor list, her friendship with Kissinger, her truth is love of money and power. No one can be passionate when they have to micro-manage their persona.

Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
22. If it was Elizabeth Warren running DU would be completely behind her
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:38 PM
Feb 2016

and when Elizabeth Warren yells it's for the right reasons. She is looking out for people who need her to fight for them, same as Sanders. When Hillary yells it's because she seems to be trying to make political points and land blows. It comes across as insincere. Even when she yells about Republicans it comes across as an act. Warren comes across as 100% authentic.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
26. If Dana wants to see a woman radiating passion, he should check out Nina Turner.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:54 PM
Feb 2016

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Nina's passion is electrifying.


edit for typo

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
31. Skwmom, I'll just say take it and run
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

with it. I can't host right now, but can only pop in and out intermittently.

So the piece is yours if you want it. Wear a flak jacket, though -- there's a certain group here that may not like the piece one little bit.

Thanks again and all good wishes to you.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
32. It you want to see how a woman telegraphs passion watch Elizabeth Warren. It's speaking style...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

nothing to do with "yelling" or not.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
36. some minon
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:34 PM
Feb 2016

He literally called her a bitch in 2008. It was on tape before you say I am making crap up.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
37. I am so sick of the "vote for me or you are a sexist pig" horseshit.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:37 PM
Feb 2016

Margaret Thatcher was a woman and she did not govern the UK any differently than how a male RW tool would have.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
38. Clinton and her surrogates are ever persecuted and always victims.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:38 PM
Feb 2016

Meanwhile, she and Bill have managed to shake more than $100 million out of USA's corruptocracy.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
39. I can refute this whining in two words
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:59 PM
Feb 2016

Elizabeth Warren

Last time I checked, Warren was a woman. She can burn paint off a truck with her anger and her passion, and people love her for it.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
42. Oh bull. Plenty of female candidates in history who've navigated that line
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:29 PM
Feb 2016

Watch Tammy Duckworth or Barbara Lee or Nancy Pelosi (or your fave Dem candidate here).

Passionate!!

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
43. Gender is a net plus for Clinton.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:44 PM
Feb 2016

Yes, some people who are closer to her ideologically may vote against her (in the primary and/or the general) because they think a woman couldn't be strong enough to stand up to Putin.

As against that, some people who are closer ideologically to her opponent will vote for her (in the primary and/or the general) because they think "it's time for a woman to be President" and they want to help break that highly visible glass ceiling.

My subjective guess is that voters in the second category outnumber the first. On that view, yes, she is encountering difficulty because she is a woman, but she is also getting advantages because she is a woman.

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