2016 Postmortem
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WASHINGTON Much of Hillary Clinton's difficulty in this campaign stems from a single, unalterable fact: She is a woman.
I'm not referring primarily to the Bernie Bros, those Bernie Sanders supporters who fill the Internet with misogynistic filth about Clinton. What drags down her candidacy is more pervasive and far subtler unconscious, even.
(Wow, are you sure self-identified online Bernie Bros are really Bernie supporters? Have you ever heard of a campaign dirty trick? Amazing how it feeds right into her sexism theme, what a coincidence... But hey Dana, you are a good little Minion.)
"It's very hard for a woman to telegraph passion," she explained. "When Bernie yells, it shows his dedication to the cause. When she yells, it's interpreted in a very different way: She's yelling at you."
(Well, when your true passion is for your 1% buddies and your own self-enrichment but you are trying to portray passion for the little people I admit it must be a hard job.)
Campaigning While Female also deprives Clinton of the ability to make lofty promises. Sanders, for example, has a $15 trillion nonstarter of a health care plan. If Clinton floated such a plan, the media would mock it as patently absurd. But Sanders gets a pass.
(They are constantly attacking Sanders while NEVER questioning her so called plans, her disastrous record on foreign policy, or how a person reviled by the opposing side will ever get anything done - that is unless it's reaching across the aisle to her Corporate Republican Buddies to deliver for the 1%.)
This is the essence of Clinton's trouble: If she can't plausibly offer pie-in-the-sky, and she can't raise her voice, how does she inspire people? This hurts particularly with young voters the same segment that shunned Clinton in 2008. (The problem is young people are a LOT smarter than you give them credit for AND they are more ethical. Therein lies a REAL HUGE problem. And it is only pie in the sky to those who want to continue "business as usual."
(And the piece de resistance delivered by Clinton's Minion:
There's not much Clinton can do about this. But she can make the case that while Sanders talks "revolution," her presidency actually would be one, because the first female president would govern differently from her 44 predecessors.
(Play that SEXISM card. Poor Hillary, it's not her fault. It's those sexist voters and young voters that she just can't seem to "shake some sense into." And do I think Clinton will govern any differently than she did in the past with her husband - remember the two for one, or different than a male corporatist? No.)
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/3536765-155/milbank-the-sexist-double-standards-hurting
UPDATE: And you know what really pisses me off as a woman? When you falsely accuse people of sexism it hurts the women who are actually being subjected to sexism. But with your minions constantly playing this card, those women may just be accused of "pulling a Clinton" and their valid concerns dismissed.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)time? She tends to be dishonest all of the time and make decisions based off of polling.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)had a smug idea that she was going to win without trying, vacations with war criminals, expects women to vote for her because vaginas ... I could go on forever. That's why she's losing.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)If she wasn't all over the place this election would have been over already.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Bernie is the candidate I have waited for and it makes sense. She has never been good at campaigning and keeping her to little groups have laid bare her biggest weakness, retail politics.
JRLeft
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Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, Skwmom.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)The choice is clear.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)but how?
"women hold up half the world!"
but HOW?
"it's time for someone who's not a man"
but how exactly would she be different from everyone, from Washington to Obama?
"it's HER turn"
but what policy proposal or record shows her to be revolutionary?
"we will NOT be silenced!"
and how do they figure that *being female* keeps one from making promises?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)she's having such a hard time of it because people HATE HER!
The. End.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)"I'm a put-upon woman that everyone just dumps on because of sexism".
Yeah . . . that's a winner strategy.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I guess Milbank's conclusion is more *scientific* than my anecdotal one!
jfern
(5,204 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)She plays the GENDER card to her advantage, getting knuckleheads like Dana Milbank to regurgitate such nonsense that she is so put upon while she and her campaign launch a vicious campaign of lies and dirty tricks against Bernie. In fact, recall from 2008 how she pummeled Obama with racist dog-whistles all the while complaining how she was the victim.
Hillary Struggles Against Sexism but Regularly Plays the Race Card.
http://www.alternet.org/story/84150/hillary_struggles_against_sexism_but_regularly_plays_race_card
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)In 2008 Dana Milbank appeared in the role of Jonathan Capehart in matinee performances.....
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)is they turn people off with that kind of crap.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)having to maintain an image that is at odds with his real self, Bernie can let it rip and that is what people respond to.
Hillary OTOH does not speak her truth because her truth at odds with the persona she has created. Evidenced by the vast wealth she and Willy have accumulated, her donor list, her friendship with Kissinger, her truth is love of money and power. No one can be passionate when they have to micro-manage their persona.
Quixote1818
(28,946 posts)and when Elizabeth Warren yells it's for the right reasons. She is looking out for people who need her to fight for them, same as Sanders. When Hillary yells it's because she seems to be trying to make political points and land blows. It comes across as insincere. Even when she yells about Republicans it comes across as an act. Warren comes across as 100% authentic.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)I'm not sure I buy that. Real honest passion inspires:
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)snagglepuss
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Nina's passion is electrifying.
edit for typo
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)with it. I can't host right now, but can only pop in and out intermittently.
So the piece is yours if you want it. Wear a flak jacket, though -- there's a certain group here that may not like the piece one little bit.
Thanks again and all good wishes to you.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)nothing to do with "yelling" or not.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)He literally called her a bitch in 2008. It was on tape before you say I am making crap up.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Margaret Thatcher was a woman and she did not govern the UK any differently than how a male RW tool would have.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Meanwhile, she and Bill have managed to shake more than $100 million out of USA's corruptocracy.
Boomer
(4,168 posts)Elizabeth Warren
Last time I checked, Warren was a woman. She can burn paint off a truck with her anger and her passion, and people love her for it.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Watch Tammy Duckworth or Barbara Lee or Nancy Pelosi (or your fave Dem candidate here).
Passionate!!
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Yes, some people who are closer to her ideologically may vote against her (in the primary and/or the general) because they think a woman couldn't be strong enough to stand up to Putin.
As against that, some people who are closer ideologically to her opponent will vote for her (in the primary and/or the general) because they think "it's time for a woman to be President" and they want to help break that highly visible glass ceiling.
My subjective guess is that voters in the second category outnumber the first. On that view, yes, she is encountering difficulty because she is a woman, but she is also getting advantages because she is a woman.