2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSince when do we let Repubican politicians decide what is and is not possible for America?
Social change has never been about having realistic goals in the short term. It has never been about negotiating compromises that can win the support of those who embody the status quo now. When that is the benchmark used to calibrate fundamental justice we end up with agreements like a written Constitution that defined resident African American slaves as 3/5ths persons when it came to drawing up Congressional districts.
Negotiation and compromise concerning justice in any form represent at best a temporary stage in an ongoing larger battle; an argument that half a loaf is better than none. Some times it may be, other times not, but never is a half loaf reason to disavow the need for a full one if that in fact is what is truly needed.
Republican politicians seem to grasp that fact more clearly than do most of our Democratic leaders. No compromise resolves virtually any issue for them. As far as many of them are concerned, the American Civil War didn't even define the limitations on States Rights. Conservatives will never convincingly repudiate their vision for privatizing Social Security no matter how often Democrats beat them back on it. They just kick it back to one of their movement think tanks for repackaging before they trot it out once again.
The Republican Right never used the fact that Democrats held a decades long near institutional lock on majorities in the House of Representatives as a reason to abandon their own extreme vision for America. They continued to fight hard, weathered setbacks when the winds blew against them, and negotiated for the best deals they could manage when full victory seemed temporarily beyond their reach. But they never disowned their vision of what they believed would be best for America.
Republicans began fighting to privatize public education at a time when even the concept of that seemed foreign to most Americans - when there seemed to be no way in hell that governments controlled by Democrats would ever go one inch down that road. That didn't matter to them, they just kept advancing the notion until they gained some foot holds they could build on. Tuition free public colleges and universities may sound pie in the sky now, but they once were well established in many places, including California. That was at odds with the vision though of Ronald Reagan and the conservative movement behind him. Here is one summary of what happened to those tuition free public institutions:
"Californias public-university system, still the largest in the nation, abolished tuition three months after it was founded in 1868, implementing instead a fee for additional services, such as health care, that at first was tiny.
The era of free tuition ended, ironically, with the student movement of the 1960s, just as campuses were getting more populous, diverse, and democratic. Ronald Reagan made the University of California a major punching bag of his 1966 campaign for governor of California, with the encouragement of FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, who saw campus peace activists as dangerous subversives. Upon taking office, Reagan managed to have UC president Clark Kerr firedhe had been the architect of mass higher education not just in California, but across the countryand hiked fees at the UC colleges to the approximate levels of tuition charged elsewhere."
http://college.monster.com/news/articles/1064-whatever-happened-to-when-college-was-free
Democrats have learned to check their visions at the door of a Republican led Congress. It is one thing to mobilize your forces for some Congressional battle on an issue you believe in, only to then fall short of fully prevailing. The more extensive your mobilization, the better compromise you are likely to achieve regardless. It is another thing to fall to mobilize and fight for what you believe in because you can not clearly identify a sure path forward to certain victory. Even worse is a basic lack of faith that what may be indeed be impossible today can in fact become possible tomorrow if the battle is fully joined.
It's not that Bernie Sanders can't do the math - he can count seats in Congress same as anyone else. It's just that he can see the folly in unilaterally disarming our dreams. Pardon my French but Bernie is right. Fuck that shit. We would all be working 60 hour weeks today if a bunch of Wobblie organizers looked at the strength of the Mill Owners who opposed them and said "You better go home to your families boys" rather than "Which side are you on?"
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Democrats, now, for the most part are always playing defense. We feel compelled to exhaustively explain our policies and justify them both socially and economically. The republicans always insist we do, and if they find even the tiniest flaw in the argument they blow that up into the biggest "lie" to ever hit the country. They pivot the whole argument to that flaw--usually imaginary and always blown out of proportion. Sadly, a weak, corporatist press pushes the right wing narrative. Even sadder a lot of voters buy their bullshit.
Face it, the Democrats have been cowered: We can't raise taxes. We can't expand government. We can't nominate people to government positions who are too liberal. We can't nominate a truly progressive presidential candidate. We can't oppose wars. We can't oppose the national security state. We can't cut defense spending, or even vote to keep it constant. We can't have true universal healthcare. We can't jail crooked bankers. We can't upset the bond markets. We can't oppose trade deals that gut our middle class. We can't rein in corporate power... Democrats cut back any proposals they do have before even introducing them--in the foolish hope a more moderate proposal will garner republican support. IT NEVER WORKS. WAKE UP!
The republicans don't suffer from this malady. They propose what they want. They don't give a rat's ass if it makes real economic sense--it will make sense for the rich. They simply ignore Democratic proof that they are wrong (or more likely lying). The simply tell the press and their propaganda outlets that it will "create jobs" or "give your money back" or "make women safer" or "keep us safe" or "I am not a scientist" -- any number of idiotic, simplistic statements. The Democrats, unfortunately don't have any equally simplistic, but true responses.
Sanders at least represents the growing faction of the party that wants to see this craven approach end.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)I especially like this paragraph (bolding mine)
Face it, the Democrats have been cowered: We can't raise taxes. We can't expand government. We can't nominate people to government positions who are too liberal. We can't nominate a truly progressive presidential candidate. We can't oppose wars. We can't oppose the national security state. We can't cut defense spending, or even vote to keep it constant. We can't have true universal healthcare. We can't jail crooked bankers. We can't upset the bond markets. We can't oppose trade deals that gut our middle class. We can't rein in corporate power... Democrats cut back any proposals they do have before even introducing them--in the foolish hope a more moderate proposal will garner republican support. IT NEVER WORKS. WAKE UP!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)K & R!
Broward
(1,976 posts)For many, it's not about what can and cannot be achieved. They don't want it in the first place.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)a myth of powerlessness in the face of a rigged system as in "How can we get that past Republican opposition in Congress - better not to try at all and settle for something less"
Broward
(1,976 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)I'd love a good answer from the wing of the Democratic Party that has allowed, even helped, them.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Failing that (and I do assume no good answer will be forthcoming from them) I am hoping that voters participating in the Democratic primary contest to select our next presidential nominee will keep this question in mind throughout it.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)SamKnause
(13,108 posts)The Republicans control everything when they are in the minority.
Where to place the blame ???
I place blame on the spineless clueless Democratic party.
Why does the Republican party own their own media outlet and paid talking heads ???
What media does the Democratic party own ???
The Democratic party has been under attack since the 70's.
The Democratic party has allowed itself to be steamrolled.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)...and they don't trust us to fund them to fight for us - with the exception of Bernie and a relative handful of others who become harder and harder to find when they need money for national and statewide races