Karl Rove's American Crossroads Super PAC Assist to Bernie Sanders in Nevada?

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Peter Sullivan ?@CitizenSullivan 16h16 hours ago
Karl Rove's American Crossroads Super PAC is aiding Bernie Sanders in Nevada.

[yourout]

1. It says "Name of Candidate SUPPORTED OR OPPOSED...

by expenditure: Hillary Clinton"

It could just as easily be FOR Hillary.

[6chars]

2. they probably want a close dem race

[JRLeft]

3. They're trying to extend the primary.

[Kip Humphrey]

4. ALTERNATE (and more truthful) HEADLINE: "Karl Rove Goes After Hillary"

but, hey, hit wall whatever sticks, eh?

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7. the more truthful headline

...is that it's an assist to Sanders, as it has been all along in this campaign.

There's been far more money spent against Hillary than she's spent against any of her Democratic rivals.

[Sheepshank]

53. It's what Reps have been doing for months...yet BS Dems deny it

Because it's so much more pleasant to think that Bernie is doing this all on his own volition. The Republicans want to match up against Bernie in the GE. He is the weak political link in the chain.

[AtomicKitten]

8. x 1000000

[ucrdem]

10. But he's actively supporting Sanders:

The whole point of this disgusting ad is to dispute Chelsea's criticism of Sanders' plan by showing Hillary supporting similar proposals earlier.

[cannabis_flower]

51. Hey

If the shoe fits!

[arcane1]

26. The memos that go out on Sundays are usually pretty weak.

This one is no exception.

[Fawke Em]

5. Yawn.

Bernie is not working with Rove.

In fact, the Rovian tactics have been on Hillary's side, but that's another matter.

The fact is that Rove was always going to go after Clinton, period.

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11. no, that's not the issue

...the issue is that the opposition deck is stacked against Hillary Clinton from both sides.

[SidDithers]

35. +1...nt

Sid

[Vincardog]

41. That is what happens when you run against democratic policies in a democratic primary

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44. Hillary isn't running against democratic policies

...and you should damn well know that.

[Vincardog]

49. Do you has a sad that your candidate is on the wrong side of so many issues?

[ucrdem]

6. There goes the "I'm the only candidate who doesn't have a Superpac" meme.

Never added up from the start. Sad really. Anyway good catch.

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12. not fair

this is not bernie's superpac - it is a mischievous republican (perhaps the most mischievous republican) screwing with Hillary. by definition, candidates cannot coordinate with super pacs - as much as we see this kind of not followed in practice. but there is no way bernie is coordinating with rove. rove has been coming out with a series of ads against her for a long time, so this is probably more about weakening her over time - defining her - before the general, but rove also gets a kick out of interfering in the dem race.

[ucrdem]

13. The problem is that Sanders hasn't publicly distanced himself from Crossroads et al

and he's had at least one opportunity to do it in the debates when Hillary brought it up. So he can't claim he doesn't know these ads are out there, even if he wanted to, and the absence of explicit disavowal leaves tacit acceptance.

[Vincardog]

50. Bernie "hasn't publicly distanced himself from" SATAN or killing babies but has from KISSINGER

The other democratic candidate has embraced that baby killer.

[kydo]

9. I think the rw would love to have sanders as their opponent

They think he would be easier to beat as his ideas are easily incorporated into their hate. "He will give everyone but white people free stuff." That will be their mantra.

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28. +1

[DCBob]

34. Yep.

[loyalsister]

36. Did I miss the part about targeted investments excluding rural communities?

Or are you just hoping that idea will catch on and overshadow the fact that another Clinton candidacy will suppress Democratic turnout?

[ucrdem]

15. And Crossroads is just one player, a little fish in the big pond created by Citizens United

which incidentally was a SuperPac organized to defeat you guessed it, Hillary Clinton:

Rove’s Crossroads PAC Is No Longer G.O.P.’s ‘Big Dog’
NYT, MAY 21, 2015

WASHINGTON — For three election cycles, American Crossroads, the brainchild of Karl Rove and other leading Republican strategists, has been among the most powerful forces in national politics, a shadow party that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising, data and opposition research to help elect candidates.

But in the early days of the 2016 presidential campaign, Crossroads — among the first outside groups to fully exploit the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision unleashing wealthy donors and corporations — has been buffeted by a rapidly changing political landscape that is testing its pre-eminence, and potentially its survival.

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And the group faces intense competition for donors from a new wave of “super PACs” that are being set up by backers of the leading Republican candidates for president, who are unwilling to defer to Mr. Rove’s authority or cede strategic and fund-raising dominance to the organizations he helped start.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/22/us/politics/american-crossroads-facing-challenges-to-its-political-power.html

[Live and Learn]

16. Seriously, YOU are using Karl Rove to attack Bernie? Pathetic. nt

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17. Definitely something that Clinton should mention at the next debate.

Karl Rove supporting Bernie. Geez.

[ucrdem]

18. She mentioned it in the debate just before Iowa.

Nothing changed.

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19. she definitely should remind voters where the true opposition to her candidacy lies

...but I'm not under any illusion that Sanders wouldn't be in their crosshairs if the managed to get Hillary out of his way.

She should also point out that the majority of her money raised is in reserve for a general election campaign against republicans. She's already pointed out that more money has been spent against her in this race by republican and Democratic sources than she's spent on any of the rivals.

[frylock]

20. Weird how this is getting no traction whatsoever.

I mean, Berniebros were able to shutdown a smear of Sanders within 24 hours, yet you guys haven't been able to do much at all to get people to bite this. Maybe they see through the bullshit? Weird.

[ucrdem]

21. Not so weird.

Shut down fast: Dan Rather, Jonathan Capehart.

Not shut down fast: SBVT, AmericanCrossroads.org.

So what does that tell us?

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23. no matter how much you play the victim here

...fact remains that it's Sanders and GOP money in this primary aimed at defeating Hillary.

I'm not responsible if pointing that out makes you defensive.

[frylock]

24. Knock yourself out trying to imply there's a relationship between Sanders and Rove.

Like I said, nobody is buying it.

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27. if I said the sky was blue you'd claim a conspiracy

...that's the state of the DU Sanders campaign.

However, that was NOT claimed by me, and I'm not responsible for ANY conclusions anyone draws from this duo of opposition to Clinton. That's Sanders' campaign's responsibility.

This is an advantage for the Sanders campaign whose attacks on Clinton are often echoed by the republican campaign, and republican attacks mirrored by the Sanders camp.

[frylock]

29. "fact remains that it's Sanders and GOP money in this primary aimed at defeating Hillary"

fucking own it.

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32. that's completely true

...and the Sanders campaign owns it.

What's significant is how little of the money Hillary's raised has been spent in this Dem primary against her Democratic opponents.

Also the way the Sanders campaign has benefited from the republican expenditures against Hillary which, in some cases, match Bernie's own attack narrative.

NYT:

One recent online ad from the Republican super PAC American Crossroads has assailed Mrs. Clinton for her Wall Street speaking fees — echoing an argument Mr. Sanders often makes against her. Another conservative group, Ending Spending, bankrolled by the Wyoming billionaire Joe Ricketts, has begun a $600,000 campaign in Iowa highlighting Mr. Sanders’s promises to raise taxes on the rich and provide free public college tuition, calling him “too liberal for Iowa.” But the ad’s language and imagery, including a contented-looking superrich couple hugging in front of a mansion and expensive cars, has led some Democrats to believe it is actually meant to bolster Mr. Sanders...

In fact, more super PAC money has been spent so far in express support of Mr. Sanders than for either of his Democratic rivals, including Hillary Clinton, according to Federal Election Commission records.

more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-is-democrats-top-beneficiary-of-outside-spending-like-it-or-not.html?_r=3

[frylock]

37. Yeah, and the way you phrased it was meant to imply that they are in cahoots.

Sanders has NO control over what the PAC wants to waste it's money on. This is the same failed smear that was attempted by Hillary Supporter when they claim that the NRA supported Sanders because they spent money on ads attacking Sanders' opponent in Vermont. It's a specious argument.

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39. I've made myself clear enough in this thread

...especially with that NYT article I posted in response to you.

Try responding to what I'm actually posting and writing, instead of what that competitive voice in your head is telling you I'm 'implying.'

[frylock]

42. Yes, you have made yourself loud and clear.

[SidDithers]

40. +10,001...nt

Sid

[Live and Learn]

33. +10,000 nt

[Skwmom]

22. Supported or Opposed Clinton - Definitely SUPPORTED. n/t

[Octafish]

25. If Bernie had his way, Karl Rove would be in jail.

And Gov. Don Siegelman would be free.

[ucrdem]

30. I'm not going to be one of those boors that demands a link but . . .

Seldom is heard a discouraging word about particular Republicans from Team Bernie.

[Octafish]

38. Perhaps because I usually post about repuglians in GD.

I really don't hold back, old Friend ucrdem.

Rove, Bush and Cheney belong in prison. Not Don Siegelman.

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SCAMWAY Dick DeVos has a thumb on the Nerd's remote.

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C. Wright Mills: Sociological Imagination and the Power Elite

Actually, I told DUers about the S&L scammers in Feb. 2008 -- before the Bankstershitstorm.

How Corrupt Is the American Government? See For Yourself...

And for the record, I'm Team Dem, too.

[ucrdem]

43. LOL, I didn't mean you Octa

I meant Sanders. I've noted it many times but it bothers me that his entire campaign is built around criticisms of Obama and Clinton -- and you can't deny that "money in politics" is directed at Hillary and the OWS business is aimed at Barack -- but he rarely calls out individual GOP pols or operatives. I'm sure you can find examples but they're not what Team Bernie tweets 24/7. By Team Bernie I mean his campaign.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Karl Rove is evil !!!

[Bohemianwriter]

45. Must be!

They are throwing mud at him, making it look like it comes from the Hillary camp,

[jillan]

46. Am I missing something here? The only person's name I see is Hillary Clinton.

wtf are you talking about????

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48. American Crossroads is making this petition

Rove's PAC.

THAT'S what the FUCK I'm talking about.

[Gothmog]

47. Karl Rove wants Sanders to be the nominee

[basselope]

52. LMAO!!!!

This is where the Clinton campaign has to go.

Wow. Desperate. Sad and desperate.

[noamnety]

54. Pro clinton super pac ad supports Donald trump!!!11!

Important?

[nichomachus]

55. Wow. I guess Gang Hillary hasn't reached the bottom of the mud bucket yet

Keep digging, folks, but remember, you're getting as much on yourselves as you're flinging.

This will come back to haunt you if you come looking for allies in the general election.

[no_hypocrisy]

56. Bernie wouldn't take that money.