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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:54 PM Feb 2016

Videos show Capehart totally exuberant over his great find...he's nearly jumping for joy.

This is exactly why it is important for Bernie's supporters to call out such things and push for a correction. He is showing a total lack of neutrality, which of course Chris Matthews and his thrilled leg gave up years ago.

Capehart sounds like a little child seeing a lighted Christmas tree on Christmas morning. His Twitter feed is even more upsetting. @capehartj

Jonathan Capehart has still not posted a mea culpa.



ALSO here's more Capehart exuberance with Andrea Mitchell. He's like a child with a new toy.



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Videos show Capehart totally exuberant over his great find...he's nearly jumping for joy. (Original Post) madfloridian Feb 2016 OP
He's a total sleazeball. Any correction from M$NBCComcast as well? nt valerief Feb 2016 #1
Nothing. madfloridian Feb 2016 #69
Capehart is a hack and should henceforth be regarded as such. nt mariawr Feb 2016 #87
Yes. I say he s/b rechristened Hack Capehart. Sounds right! nt valerief Feb 2016 #88
Capehart is worse than a "hack". bvar22 Feb 2016 #93
FOX news level crap he did AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #89
"trying to say that he's been in the trenches, fighting for us, fighting for civil rights" femmedem Feb 2016 #2
^THIS is the core of Capehart's dishonesty here. DirkGently Feb 2016 #90
And we started the revolt against his sleazy "reporting" right here at DU cali Feb 2016 #3
Yes, we did. madfloridian Feb 2016 #4
and they are already pulling the, "why do you attack a black, gay man" shit. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #5
Oh they started that almost immediately. cali Feb 2016 #7
I like MLK's dictum: People should be judged by the content of their character. senz Feb 2016 #14
48 is well past the age to be given a pass for unprofessional standards. n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #39
Anyone working as a journalist is past the age to be given a pass. nt SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #50
48? I had no idea; he looks (and acts) so young. senz Feb 2016 #53
I'm sure they'd be even more insulted to point out... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #28
Wow, who's lying now. pa28 Feb 2016 #6
He grabbed his board and rode the wild wave Laughing Mirror Feb 2016 #8
He won't even feel consequences from his employers...because it's Bernie he ridicules. madfloridian Feb 2016 #18
It's himself and his employers that he's disgraced Laughing Mirror Feb 2016 #24
Is he trying to be a new charactor on Scandal ? olddots Feb 2016 #9
He has childlike excitement, not acting like a "journalist" at all. madfloridian Feb 2016 #10
I noticed those traits in him a few years ago senz Feb 2016 #17
He's not a journalist, in my mind.... paleotn Feb 2016 #41
K&R Carolina Feb 2016 #61
Amen to that... paleotn Feb 2016 #78
He cited "journalism" a few times in his ridiculous tweets this weekend Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #70
The confluence of negative charges against Bernie here do seem to be coordinated. Broward Feb 2016 #11
Yes. madfloridian Feb 2016 #13
It's been that way for a while. senz Feb 2016 #25
Brock's numerous media start a talking point, major media picks it up at once. madfloridian Feb 2016 #27
Yes, and it may be wider than that. senz Feb 2016 #32
Good point..latest memes show up quickly. madfloridian Feb 2016 #40
Well, HRC is trying to beef up her Social Media talking points campaign n/y Kittycat Feb 2016 #51
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #12
Kick and Rec historylovr Feb 2016 #15
He should be embarrassed over his obvious glory in attacking Bernie and supporters. madfloridian Feb 2016 #16
He should be, but it doesn't seem like he has it in him. historylovr Feb 2016 #29
He shouldn't have even been on this "beat." Fawke Em Feb 2016 #19
And Chris and Rachel are getting fairly obvious as well. madfloridian Feb 2016 #22
I hate what they've done to Rachel. senz Feb 2016 #26
If Rachel had the integrity I thought she had MissDeeds Feb 2016 #35
Well, she's getting pretty obvious in her leanings. madfloridian Feb 2016 #38
I wouldn't do it MissDeeds Feb 2016 #42
Kudos. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #86
Money, fame, power, ego strokes & ass kisses. Seductive stuff, just ask Hillary. senz Feb 2016 #47
Excellent points MissDeeds Feb 2016 #49
Good point. madfloridian Feb 2016 #52
They can't do what she doesn't allow Carolina Feb 2016 #62
I can't either. madfloridian Feb 2016 #81
By early January, I was certain that Rachel was in the tank for Clinton. JimDandy Feb 2016 #44
I've always respected her intelligence and knowledge and research. madfloridian Feb 2016 #56
Or how clear their intentions are. sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #30
Pointing out people who are married to Aerows Feb 2016 #31
If you'll pardon the expression, he's happier than a pig in shit. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #20
His joy in attacking Bernie is so obvious... madfloridian Feb 2016 #21
:) AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #23
Yup, he should be fired. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #33
He's an unethical creep. I'll never read his column again. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #34
I'm finished with MSNBC MissDeeds Feb 2016 #36
The hands in the photo. That's Bernie. That's how he handles his hands all the time. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #37
Why is it.... paleotn Feb 2016 #43
Pro-Clinton Columnist In Bed With Clinton Staffer — Literally rocktivity Feb 2016 #45
Capehart's outlandishness in the media makes Paddy Chayefsky's worst visions seem tame. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #46
Saw this on FaceBook yesterday.... GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #48
It is a proven lie Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #65
What is it about Hillary that causes people to throw away their reputation with such glee? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #54
....... madfloridian Feb 2016 #63
I was thinking that after the John Lewis issue. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #72
Capehart has made it all about his own feelings and reputation. madfloridian Feb 2016 #55
He's childlike in his excitement. madfloridian Feb 2016 #57
Capehart totally exuberant AlbertCat Feb 2016 #58
Maybe you should add to your post how it was a proven lie. Skwmom Feb 2016 #59
I just assumed. Maybe I should never assume. madfloridian Feb 2016 #60
Kick! FloriTexan Feb 2016 #64
Thanks, things drop fast here. madfloridian Feb 2016 #66
Huge kick. Capehart needs to resign. jillan Feb 2016 #67
He denies that his partner works for Hillary Ino Feb 2016 #68
He is getting it with full barrells even at the WAPO nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #71
lol I LOVE this one from about 5 pm today. Beautifully said. madfloridian Feb 2016 #73
That is one of my favorites too nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #74
Perfect. All of the establishment surrogates are failing DirkGently Feb 2016 #91
His behavior is very funny, and I mean childish, for a journalist Matariki Feb 2016 #75
I admit, I have come close with two people, same who are blocked at the paper nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #76
Yeah, but by the looks of it Capehart is blocking whole swaths of people Matariki Feb 2016 #77
Yes, he is nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #79
I find these type of self-appointed faux-journalists who appear on Fox News and CNN Bonobo Feb 2016 #80
So now that the University of Chicago has DETERMINED that it is Bernie Sanders? highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #82
Of Course Rilgin Feb 2016 #83
But I am sure that all the fine journalists senseandsensibility Feb 2016 #84
Unfortunately you are probably right. Rilgin Feb 2016 #85
It's sad to see the constant flow of lies and dirty tricks coming Zorra Feb 2016 #92
Why is Capeheart expected to be "neutral" Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #94
Capehart is supposed to be honest. I don't care who he supports. madfloridian Feb 2016 #97
So is Greenwald, for that matter Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #98
Greenwald is honest to a fault. He's a truth seeker. madfloridian Feb 2016 #99
I can't tell if you're taking the piss or if you're really being serious Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #101
Threads like this are hilarious Dem2 Feb 2016 #95
Threads like this show up people who are losing their reputation to support a certain candidate. madfloridian Feb 2016 #96
Capeheart is the one who did the looking. rocktivity Feb 2016 #100

femmedem

(8,203 posts)
2. "trying to say that he's been in the trenches, fighting for us, fighting for civil rights"
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016

Although in his column he said that Sanders' civil rights activism was not in question, just his identity in this photo, that was clearly not the case in this clip.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
90. ^THIS is the core of Capehart's dishonesty here.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

He spins his disingenuous bullshit with the same airy certainty that no one will catch on as Ted Cruz does.

The whole premise was a massive self-contradicting sleight-of-hand in the first place. Sanders was at the event. There are photos of Sanders at the event. Sanders was at other events. Capehart says there is no doubt of that, and then turns around and says it's somehow misleading because just that one photo tried to

"imply that he was in the trenches fighting for the rights of African Americans when rival Hillary Clinton was a Republican-supporting “Goldwater Girl.”

But Sanders WAS in the trenches fighting when Clinton was a Goldwater Girl. Or at least the president of the Wellesley College Republicans. However much it matters, it is the truth. So it was really the truth of THAT Capehart was trying to undermine so smugly and gleefully.

It never mattered whether the particular photo was Sanders or not. There is nothing there to discuss in the first place. The fact that Capehart was factually wrong and won't even admit that in a straightforward way just further confirms that he's just carrying water.

Watch for his fascinating attempts at Jew baiting as well. He started down the road of "Sanders doesn't discuss his Jewish heritage enough" with Chris Matthews before Chris -- his own sleaze-o-meter clearly blaring -- shut him down.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
5. and they are already pulling the, "why do you attack a black, gay man" shit.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

as expected. no tactic is too SLEAZY from the Hillary people.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
14. I like MLK's dictum: People should be judged by the content of their character.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

Jonathan Capehart has shown that he will lie and slander in order to impress a loved one.

Mr. Capehart is young. Let's hope he develops better standards of professional behavior.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
53. 48? I had no idea; he looks (and acts) so young.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

Too bad. On the upside, he could probably afford a decent therapist now.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
28. I'm sure they'd be even more insulted to point out...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

and complain, "why do you attack a black, gay man who's keeping house with a Clinton staffer?" even WORSE!

pa28

(6,145 posts)
6. Wow, who's lying now.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

When you are an insider you can mislead and be wrong as much as you want as long as you continue playing by the insiders rules. Then you move on like it never happened.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
8. He grabbed his board and rode the wild wave
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016

and got caught in the undertow. I wonder who will come to his rescue, or will they let him drown.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
18. He won't even feel consequences from his employers...because it's Bernie he ridicules.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

And that's a shame.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
24. It's himself and his employers that he's disgraced
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:42 PM
Feb 2016

His ridicule failed.

But you may be right about the way he and they see it. Perhaps they will offer him a promotion.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
10. He has childlike excitement, not acting like a "journalist" at all.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

Oh, goody, look what I found about bad Bernie.

I copied him when I tweeted this, I fully expect an angry response. He does a lot of that.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
17. I noticed those traits in him a few years ago
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

when he participated in discussions on MSNBC. It's like he hasn't grasped the concept of professionalism.

Maybe this is what will do it. Life finds ways of teaching us what we need to know.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
41. He's not a journalist, in my mind....
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016

He's a hack. A political hatchet man. And an unabashed liar. Many of us are old enough to remember actual journalists. I don't think they exist anymore.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
61. K&R
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

So true. We could rewrite that old Peter, Paul & Mary song from the 1960s: where have all the journalists gone... long time passing

 

Iggy Knorr

(247 posts)
70. He cited "journalism" a few times in his ridiculous tweets this weekend
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:06 PM
Feb 2016

He's no journalist, he's an opinion writer / political hack, who thinks he's a journalist.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
25. It's been that way for a while.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

Major Hill supporters all come out with the same attack lines, creating new "issues" as they go along. At first I thought it was just DU but eventually noticed that the themes would soon appear all over the media.

Definitely not a coincidence.

Years ago, Wonkette (a blogger) did an extensive, well-documented piece on the use of daily talking points on Fox News. Roger Ailes would disseminate them the night before and then they'd be repeated in every program throughout the day, same phrases, even. I doubt there's anything quite that organized here, but the effect is the same.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
32. Yes, and it may be wider than that.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:09 PM
Feb 2016

How are DU's most visible Hill supporters so often at the forefront of these talking point explosions? Somebody's cluing them in.

Also, we don't know if the meme development starts with Brock. Hillary has a ton of money; she could easily afford a little "think tank" to steer the national discussion, with Brock et. al. carrying out the dissemination.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
15. Kick and Rec
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

It's one thing to post a lie and double, no, triple down on it. It's quite another to make an ass of yourself on TV by making fun of a sitting US Senator.

#RetractCapehart

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
19. He shouldn't have even been on this "beat."
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

His husband works for Hillary, so Jonathan has a clear conflict of interest.

That the WaPo let him continue to cover the Democratic campaign speaks to how lax their standards are.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
35. If Rachel had the integrity I thought she had
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:21 PM
Feb 2016

they couldn't do anything to her that she didn't want done.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
42. I wouldn't do it
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016

I left a tenured college teaching position within walking distance of my home over ethical concerns. I refused to be part of a system that was deceitful, unconscionable and borderline corrupt. My only regret was not doing it sooner, but that's just me.

Everyone makes their own choices for their own reasons.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
47. Money, fame, power, ego strokes & ass kisses. Seductive stuff, just ask Hillary.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

And you're right; some can handle these heady temptations, some can't, but how they handle it exposes who they really are.

The ones who manage to hold on to their integrity often wind up as outliers, honored and admired by some, castigated or ignored by many -- until they achieve a degree of martyrdom like Mandella, Ghandi, Jesus, Socrates, etc.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
62. They can't do what she doesn't allow
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

Some people resign in protest. Or they become cowed by the money from TPTB.

I can't watch Rachel any more

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
44. By early January, I was certain that Rachel was in the tank for Clinton.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:43 PM
Feb 2016

Her interviews of Sanders and Clinton in mid-January show a clearly undeniable bias that she couldn't keep out of her reporting.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
56. I've always respected her intelligence and knowledge and research.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:28 PM
Feb 2016

Now I have just quit turning on MSNBC, I just watch a video online now and then.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
20. If you'll pardon the expression, he's happier than a pig in shit.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

Why hasn't he been fired? That is the ONLY acceptable conclusion for that level of skulduggery.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
37. The hands in the photo. That's Bernie. That's how he handles his hands all the time.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:26 PM
Feb 2016

It is unique to him.

Sally from the University of Chicago has some explaining to do.

The pictures of Rappaport do not look like that picture of Bernie Sanders.

Sally Cook's page in an alumni blog for 1965 graduates.

https://alumniweekend.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/50th%20Reunion%20PreConnect%20'65%20-%20Website%20v1.pdf

Search for Cook.

Excellent Huffington Post article on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-zombeck/those-photographs-of-bern_b_9227236.html

A full retraction and apology is the very least Jonathan Capehart can do on this. The very least.

And all TV commentators who broadcast this story should broadcast Jonathan Capehart's full retraction with just as much fanfare and in no less time than they broadcast the sensational lie that Jonathan Capehart spread.

This is DIRTY POLITICS at its worst.

And it is why Bernie Sanders tries to avoid such political aspersions unless he is absolutely sure they are true.

Note that when Bernie made the comment about Kissinger he explained that he was quoting from Hillary's own statement in her book. He did not restate what some ill-informed third party said. Bernie got the information from Hillary herself. And that is as far as Bernie goes with negative campaigning. He only quotes Hillary herself, and to her face, might I add.

Jonathan Capehart -- we are waiting for a retraction and an apology from you.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
43. Why is it....
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:42 PM
Feb 2016

...that all the slime merchants are lining up behind Hillary? It's kind of telling. I don't know..maybe that's all she's got.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
45. Pro-Clinton Columnist In Bed With Clinton Staffer — Literally
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511230861:

Capehart...has spent the past five years in a long-term relationship with Nicholas Schmit IV, (who) has served in various capacities for the Clinton family and the US State Department under Clinton since 2004...


rocktivity
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
58. Capehart totally exuberant
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:45 PM
Feb 2016

He's turned the scandal into himself, now that it's completely off of Sanders.

How dumb is that????

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
73. lol I LOVE this one from about 5 pm today. Beautifully said.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:13 PM
Feb 2016
Hazel Motes
4:53 PM EST
Two lotus flowers have bloomed from Capehart's ongoing manure spreading: Bernie's civil rights work is now known in detail to millions more, and documentarian Danny Lyon's wonderful photography has acquired probably its biggest audience ever as well. Thanks, Jonathan! Sorry about the rest. It's gotta be a kind of hell. Apologize & retract though, and it'll get better. Just imagine the relief. Without a retraction, it will be your permanent albatross.
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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
74. That is one of my favorites too
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:14 PM
Feb 2016

at this point he has also been called at the WAPO, for blocking people... as unprofessional.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
91. Perfect. All of the establishment surrogates are failing
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

pretty badly, in fact. A number of otherwise well-respected figures have humiliated themselves trying to shill for Hillary Clinton.

Not helping her. Not helping them.

At some point people may start questioning these toxic talking points they're being handed. They have a tendency to blow up in people's faces.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
75. His behavior is very funny, and I mean childish, for a journalist
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:16 PM
Feb 2016

blocking folks from viewing his twitter page. Who does that?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
76. I admit, I have come close with two people, same who are blocked at the paper
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

but we go "back a long time" and they are original spelonkers, Wait, in one case the guy is a stalker going back to the 1990s.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
77. Yeah, but by the looks of it Capehart is blocking whole swaths of people
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:44 PM
Feb 2016

people who haven't even posted *on* his twitter page.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
80. I find these type of self-appointed faux-journalists who appear on Fox News and CNN
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:50 PM
Feb 2016

to be lowly pieces of weasel shit.

All he needs is a flag lapel pin.

Rilgin

(787 posts)
83. Of Course
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:25 AM
Feb 2016

Danny Lyons showed them the proof and they returned to the caption they had since the formation of the archive which labeled the picture as a picture of Sanders.

The change to Rappaport was probably thought by the archivist making the change as no big deal. A few people who claimed to know Rappaport said it was him. Since it was basically not important it probably is pretty convincing. to have people call and just tell you a picture is misidentified and it is not a big deal. And it was no big deal originally.

It was no big deal until Capehart used the photograph as the factual basis for an attack on the integrity and honesty of Sanders and his campaign. He based it on the Time Article and these four people who just questioned the identification. Capehart turned their questions into certainty. He did not claim that there were questions about the picture, he claimed outright it was NOT Sanders and said that Sander's claims about this period were inflated. His quote is that Sanders was only there in spirit.

He did not count on the fact that Danny Lyons, the photographer, was famous and had absolute proof that it was, in fact, Sanders.
Lyons contacted the U of Chicago and of course changed the caption back because it was obviously Sanders.

Capehart has doubled down on his claim by asserting an equivalent validity between photographs, forensic proof and a 50 year old memory of a wife who was married to someone for 5 years 50 years ago and looks at a side view of a picture and thinks its her husband because of the bend of the neck (I kid you not, that is the basis of the identification).

Capehart's conduct is reprehensible. The U. of Chicago's conduct seems fine. They believed the four people coming forward because it was not a big deal. They probably should have contacted the Photographer but I can see that they might think it no big deal. They corrected it when it became apparent that it was a bigger deal and there was proof that it was Sanders.

senseandsensibility

(17,066 posts)
84. But I am sure that all the fine journalists
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:37 AM
Feb 2016

like Rachel and (lol) tweety will correct the record, right? Also, capehart will not be featured on air after this debacle?

Rilgin

(787 posts)
85. Unfortunately you are probably right.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:41 AM
Feb 2016

I did call the Washington Post to register a complaint. I am hoping they get a ton of calls.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
92. It's sad to see the constant flow of lies and dirty tricks coming
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:19 PM
Feb 2016

from the campaign of a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Third Way is a deadly cancer in the Democratic party.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
99. Greenwald is honest to a fault. He's a truth seeker.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 05:18 PM
Feb 2016

I believe some journalists will say anything to support a candidate and never back down when proven wrong.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
101. I can't tell if you're taking the piss or if you're really being serious
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:17 PM
Feb 2016

Because I've posted tons of evidence to the contrary that Greenwald "seeks truth"... He only seeks his kind of truth while suppressing everything else...

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
95. Threads like this are hilarious
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

Talk about looking for a controversy - and of course finding it. I lose faith every day.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
100. Capeheart is the one who did the looking.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:01 PM
Feb 2016

He didn't even bother to try get confirmation directly from Bernie (Journalism 101), and now that it's come out that he's personally involved with a member of the Hillary camp, things have slid into the realm of buffoonery.


rocktivity

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