so bernie does interview on a channel hillary is afraid to go on and is criticized?

[restorefreedom]

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he is showing courage, she is showing fear.

he is showing leadership, she is showing opportunism and self preservation.

he has appeal to crossover voters, while she will bring unity in the gop in their hatred of her.

he will speak to anyone who will listen. this shows a willingness to engage other countries and avoid military conflict. she only speaks to approved audiences, journalists and countries and would rather reach for a military option than simply talk to someone.

this is not just an interview. as was his visit to liberty, it is a lesson in fearless leadership.

update...just watched it..chris wallace said that clinton refused his invitation to come on the show "as she has every week of the campaign." he said they will keep trying.

yup. bold leadership for sure....

flame on.....

[Agschmid]

1. "Flame on"....

Says it all.

[restorefreedom]

5. i am realistic about the dissatisfaction this opinion will cause to some.

its that simple.

[Hortensis]

29. OKAY, what is THIS one about? Obviously something is

being perceived as a setback for Bernie... What program was he on?

[restorefreedom]

36. he was on fox news sunday with chris wallace

and some feel that it was a treasonous act against the country.

i see it as bold and courageous

[roguevalley]

129. a president doesn't have the luxury to act on their prejudices and write off a large portion

of the country. Before the civil rights movement, that happened to AA. Anyone with the bearings to go into tough places to tell Americans the truth is alright by me. Anyone who has a problem with that endorses a divided America which in my book isn't American.

[restorefreedom]

134. great point. nt

[orpupilofnature57]

2. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Courage is going outside your base .

[restorefreedom]

6. yes, and he has it big time. nt

[Hortensis]

33. Yes, HE understands that criticism

goes with campaigning, just as flying balls go with baseball. Of course the enemy will be your arch witch as always, but what'd he actually do?

[restorefreedom]

38. he dared to speak with chris wallace of fox. nt

[Hortensis]

50. Just read the transcript and Wallace is

nausea-inducing as usual. Anyone upset because Bernie didn't wipe the floor with him, though, should remember that Wallace is a real pro in charge of his own turf. I'm sure Bernie achieved his goal in appearing.

[restorefreedom]

52. i would guess that his goal was, as it always is,

to get his core message out. i think he did quite well.

[Hortensis]

68. Agree, although getting his message out to

the typical Fox viewer is very analogous to Hillary trying to get her message out to Bernie's far left supporters. Still, it's important to try.

[Duckhunter935]

3. seems to be the case

I am glad he will talk to everyone as he will be everyone's president

[restorefreedom]

7. i really can't imagine him being unwiling to engage someone with an idea. nt

[boston bean]

17. Except Henry Kissinger.

Just thought I should attempt to clarify that for you.

[beam me up scottie]

18. Why would he want to engage with a war criminal?

Would you?

[boston bean]

19. Is that what I said?

[beam me up scottie]

20. You brought him up in the context of engagement.

Is there some reason you think he should consult a Republican with the blood of millions on his hands?

Personally I'm glad Bernie won't ask Kissinger's advice.

[boston bean]

22. You think??

[beam me up scottie]

23. I'm asking what you think, should he consult a war criminal?

[boston bean]

24. My comment is pretty clear.

[beam me up scottie]

25. Clear as mud but I understand why you're not willing to comment on Kissinger.

It's okay, you don't have to say anything.

[boston bean]

27. LOL.

[polly7]

35. I didn't really get it.

Happy Valentines Day, BMUS!

[beam me up scottie]

37. Glad it's not just me!

Happy Valentine's Day, Polly!

[grasswire]

74. me three

That poster ... well, I'd better keep my mouth shut.

[polly7]

31. Kissinger has an idea?

Like what, who to stage a coup against next?

[restorefreedom]

32. lol. but my guess is he would listen to what he had to say.

he just wouldn't necessarily take his advice. just a guess of course.

[boston bean]

69. Sounds reasonable. Thanks for the response.

[restorefreedom]

70. namaste.. :) nt

[Jim Lane]

75. He said he wouldn't look to Kissinger for advice. I bet he'd happily engage him.

If someone sets up a public debate on foreign policy, Sanders versus Kissinger, that's the sort of invitation Sander would accept. Of course, he can't accept all the invitations he'd like to, but I see no basis for your assertion that he wouldn't engage Kissinger.

I wonder what would happen if someone tried to put Kissinger in a debate with Hillary Clinton. She must have some disagreements with him, and it would be interesting to hear them.

[TDale313]

4. The Hillary camp is in full panic mode.

They're throwing everything they can think of at him- and being particularly Rovian in trying to turn his greatest strengths against him/into weaknesses.

[restorefreedom]

8. yes, distasteful and desperate at the same time nt

[dsc]

9. I admit to being torn about what our politicians should do in regards to FOX

but I lean toward a complete boycott, including refusing to answer their questions at press conferences. They are pretty much GOP TV and shouldn't be treated like any other network. I know we would take grief for that position but had we done that at the start then maybe they would be viewed as the partisan hacks they are by the general population.

[restorefreedom]

10. there are actually people who watch fox that might surprise you

i know middle of the roaders, even progressives who watch. they are very selective and know the slant of the network. i even watch the news with shep..he is one of the best breaking news guys out there. and at least with fox, you know their bias. msnbc will pretend to be liberal and then tear them up (basically calling bernie a communist) after they leave.

its always a tough call, but i think anyone who will let them say their message in their own words might be worth a shot.

i might have agreed with you a few months ago...my feelings towards this have changed since msnbc became the "we will pretend to be fair but trash bernie at every opportunity" network.

[Dragonfli]

12. Time fore Steve Lesser to go under the bus. He loves FOX /nt

[dsc]

16. In real time I had some issue with him being on FOX

and have said so. that said, he isn't a politician and thus it is a little different.

[jeff47]

14. You don't break a bubble by hiding from it. (nt)

[restorefreedom]

41. THIS nt

[m-lekktor]

21. Most of them seem to go on at some point. Obama did that Superbowl 2014

Bill O'Reilly interview. I guess I am not as hard on any of them for doing it as some are. I can see the reasoning and as long as they stay true to their belief system, whatever.

[deathrind]

44. Yea

Dems / Progressives going on fox is akin to Captain Pike going on the Narada to negotiate with Nero.

[Dragonfli]

11. Poor Steve lesser will be driven off the board, he consorts with fox pundits regularly

He is not running for office either which justifies it, it is more like an extended audition to get his own show there.

[restorefreedom]

13. well if they hire him, it will at least confirm his pov.

for the few on du who might have any remaining doubt...

[Hortensis]

45. I take it Lesser hasn't been mooching Sanders up

enough to satisfy? Anybody offering odds on how long before he's reduced to protoplasmic jelly? I have a quarter berning a hole in my pocket.

[restorefreedom]

48. does lesser have a job or a program?

where he can interview people?

[Hortensis]

66. I notice I misspelled Leser's name. I just know I don't follow any

and was simply bemused by the prospect of yet another joining the crowd under the bus.

[restorefreedom]

67. oh, ok. i hadn't even noticed the speller :) nt

[beam me up scottie]

71. Under the bus because what?

If you think people are criticizing him just because he doesn't support Bernie you haven't been paying attention.

[loyalsister]

15. Also the confidence and gravitas to accept criticism without being defensive

nt.

[bvar22]

26. I believe this photo is from 2008.

[restorefreedom]

40. will be interesting to see if she follows suit this time. nt

[kydo]

28. Well, Obama doesn't do fuax noise either anymore

They are not a real news channel and should not be treated as if they were. I don't think any dem should go any where near that place.

[beam me up scottie]

34. Wasn't Obama interviewed by Bill O'Reilly on Fox?

[kydo]

43. once back 2008 so was HRC

But not much after. I think he is a smart guy and realizes they are the fake news channel and its best not to encourage others into thinking that it is. I know he pissed off their White House correspondents by both not calling on them at pressers and by dropping the news from the Fox on the dinner labels at the last correspondents dinner.

[beam me up scottie]

46. Then your statement was false.

I disagree, if a message is important enough then there's no reason to completely boycott Fox. There's nothing wrong with choosing your battles.

[kydo]

49. No my statement isn't false, he did it in 2008 and said never again

so there for I would assume it is safe to say he don't do the fake news channel. And there are many reasons to boycott them. They are part of the problem.

[beam me up scottie]

51. You: "Well, Obama doesn't do fuax noise either"

Since he did "do" an interview that statement was false.

[kydo]

53. what ever ... thing is he doesn't do faux noise any more that make you feel better?

but still he doesn't do the fake news channel these days so your argument is still mute

[beam me up scottie]

58. It's not about how I feel, it's about factual information.

By claiming Obama never appeared on Fox you were implying that there's something wrong with Bernie doing an interview.

[bettyellen]

84. you left out the word "anymore"- just so you could claim it's a lie. Kinda sleazy edit.

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[beam me up scottie]

86. The SLEAZY EDIT came from that poster, they put the word 'anymore' in after being called on it:

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28. Well, Obama doesn't do fuax noise either

They are not a real news channel and should not be treated as if they were. I don't think any dem should go any where near that place.

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I'll take that apology now, bettyellen.

[beam me up scottie]

90. Hello! Ready to apologize yet, bettyellen? I'm waiting.

[bettyellen]

95. I don't see any edits on that post. And "doesn't do" is current tense, so they did not imply....

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or even "infer" that he had never done Fox news. Just that it is his current - and very wise- policy.
Fox has their own reasons to put Bernie on. Good on him if he does well despite their attempts to use him.

*test*

[beam me up scottie]

97. I Iisted the edits and the post is right there for you to see. I'll take that apology.

Stop obfuscating, you're embarrassing yourself.

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28. Well, Obama doesn't do fuax noise either

They are not a real news channel and should not be treated as if they were. I don't think any dem should go any where near that place.

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[AgingAmerican]

59. "so there for I would assume it is safe to say he don't do the fake news channel"

Except when he did.....

Just subtract the time he did! Then you can say he didn't!

[bettyellen]

99. you understand there is a difference between don't and has not? Obama learned it's a trap.

For Bernie- they are probably propping him up to make his look like a viable spoiler. Fox would love that.
We both know they have an agenda.

[beam me up scottie]

102. How about that apology? You see the edits now, don't you?

You accused me of lying about that person's post when they clearly edited it after the fact.

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28. Well, Obama doesn't do fuax noise either

They are not a real news channel and should not be treated as if they were. I don't think any dem should go any where near that place.

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28. Well, Obama doesn't do fuax noise either anymore

They are not a real news channel and should not be treated as if they were. I don't think any dem should go any where near that place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1232201

[bettyellen]

107. I think alerting over this shit is pathetic, so no. I do not see the edit, if so they clarified.

BFD, seriously.

[beam me up scottie]

108. The edits are right there at the bottom, why can't you see them?

I think you don't want to admit you were wrong, how petty.

[bettyellen]

111. They are not showing up. And this distracts from the fact that the edit did not change anything.

[beam me up scottie]

114. It changes everything since it was enough for you to accuse me of lying.

X doesn't do Y is different from X doesn't do Y anymore.

I don't run vs I don't run anymore.

Tom doesn't lie vs Tom doesn't lie anymore.

[bettyellen]

116. Of editing to remove context, not lying. DOES NOT DO DOES NOT MEAN NEVER DID.

You're sure good at assuming things that were never said. I will give you that.

[beam me up scottie]

118. The POST WAS EDITED TO INCLUDE ANOTHER WORD WHICH CHANGED THE MEANING.

I don't believe you can't see the edits, you just don't want to admit you're wrong.

[bettyellen]

119. Does not do = present tense= the truth. how you can accuse people to lying when they did not-

is beyond disgusting. Edits or not, that post was honest.

You can enjoy Fox using Bernie all you want, but we all know exactly why they are doing it. And why RW superpacks are doing the same.

[beam me up scottie]

121. I never said they lied, quit trying to put words in my mouth.

You do that constantly and whenever you're proven wrong you flee.

Not this time. The edits are there.

[AgingAmerican]

127. Sanders is untrappable

Watch his speech to Liberty U and you will understand how to deal with those people.

[Perogie]

104. 2010

[CentralMass]

39. Both President Obama and Hillary appeared on FNS during the 2008 primary.

[bettyellen]

101. the word "do"= parent tense. They learned the hard way.

[bvar22]

47. Yes he does:

[beam me up scottie]

92. Nice edit, care to explain why you added the word 'anymore' after the fact?

[bettyellen]

100. Was this post edited? I am wondering why I cannot see them- as I do for other posters?

[beam me up scottie]

103. Right there at the bottom of the screen:

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[bettyellen]

105. Strange it is not showing up- yet I test edited my own post and see that edit. Odd.

If you say so, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

[beam me up scottie]

106. Thank you. If edited before a certain time the red text announcing it was edited won't show.

[bettyellen]

110. Oh, interesting.... But I don't understand how you can see the edit and I cannot then?

Also why you think it is a "gotcha" when their edit did not change the meaning at all?

[beam me up scottie]

112. The fact that they HAD to edit their post proves it was factually incorrect.

They could have left it as is but decided to either make it look like we (since I wasn't the only one who called them out) were lying about the post or just didn't understand it.

Adding 'anymore' to the end of the sentence changes the meaning entirely.

He doesn't do Fox news.

He doesn't do Fox news anymore.

[bettyellen]

115. No, it was a clarification and nothing more. And I am not certain about the edit. How you can see

it, but I can't? That makes no sense to me. Doesn't do is present tense- never meant never. But do go on.

[beam me up scottie]

122. I don't need to, the edits are there for all to see, once again you're wrong.

I am enjoying this immensely.

[bettyellen]

123. How can you be the only one seeing the edit? You said it was edited to quickly to show- but you can

see it? Sorry- none of it makes any sense to me. Not that the edit itself was at all significant. There was no change in meaning, just a minor clarification.

[beam me up scottie]

124. It's at the bottom of the page, quit pretending the information isn't there.

[bettyellen]

125. Oh weird- when did they move out of the box down to the bottom of the page? I just did a test edit

of my own post and I see it in the box containing the post. That is strange. No wonder I have not noticed any edited posts in the longest time! Sorry I was wrong about the edits existing. They did edit to CLARIFY that "do" meant present tense, not past.

[beam me up scottie]

128. I don't know, I didn't know it was ever anywhere else.

All I know is that if the post is edited within a half hour the red edit message won't show but the edits can still be viewed.

Thank you for acknowledging that they're there.

[bettyellen]

131. believe they used to be inside the box years ago- and the tests I run show me my edit inside in red

but the others are all the way at the bottom of the thread- in black. I know they used to be red too. Very odd- thanks for letting me know exactly where they are. No hard feelings.

[beam me up scottie]

132. Nope, we're good.

I didn't know they changed it, maybe someone reading this can let us know when and why.

If not no big deal.

[bettyellen]

133. I was worried it was ANOTHER funky thing my computer was doing this week. Glad it is not.

[LuvLoogie]

30. The Revolution is highly invested in anti-Hillary artillery from the Right.

Their serendipitous proxy war.

[MrWendel]

76. +1

THIS

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. Ohhh yeah. n/t

[thereismore]

54. Bernie went to a Black Forum in Minneapolis. Hillary chickened out too.

Bernie is not afraid. He went to Liberty University too.

[Duckhunter935]

56. and they played a clip of her in a debate

How she would go anywhere at anytime but declined their offer to appear as she is asked every week.

[Beacool]

57. Afraid?????

BTW, in 2008 she went on the O'Reilly show.

[840high]

60. How about this year? Afraid

of possible questions asked?

[Beacool]

64. Oh, please.....

It's a waste of time discussing Hillary with the supporters of her opponents. The only thing that you all seem to care about is finding new ways to bash her.

[840high]

73. She provides the material.

[restorefreedom]

61. so did obama

if she goes on fox sunday with chris wallace, i will commend her for it.

[dana_b]

63. Fox is still the number one "news" channel as far as ratings are concerned

so although most of us detest it, I can see why a Presidential candidate may want the opportunity to chat on there.

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/cable-news-ratings-cnn-top-gainer-fox-news-channel-dominant-1201666151/

[restorefreedom]

65. yup. and any non interventionist, anti free traders who don't like trump or those struggling...

just might like what they hear from bernie.

[840high]

72. Yes. Besides I like

to know what opposing views are.

[rurallib]

77. Surprised a Fox newser would have Sanders on - their viewers

might accidentally have their world view blown up. Fox needs to keep people stupid.

Way to go Bernie.

[MisterP]

79. they've been stewing in their own propaganda long enough they think that THEY'LL

be the ones to run circles around HIM--after all, they're Murkins and he's a Commie who hates freedom and will gladly admit it

on a more serious note, this is like the Liberty University thing--Clinton would talk like a fundie there (as at The Family) and then talk laicite to Planned Parenthood; Sanders tells them how they should be more Christlike

[restorefreedom]

81. i know, he may just have converted a few....nt

[one_voice]

78. was she asked to come on?

[restorefreedom]

80. every week since she announced. nt

[one_voice]

109. Well I don't look at any democratic candidate...

negatively for choosing not to go on that shit channel. Nor do I have a problem with one choosing to do an interview.

I will never have anything positive to say about fox. I believe they're a republican propaganda machine. I think their whole purpose is to hurt democrats and promote republicans.

There was a time we wouldn't blink an eye if a dem candidate/senator/congress person chose not to appear on fox; apparently times change. They're now labeled cowards among other things. Strange times.

[restorefreedom]

113. we need to take every opportunity to get the message out

this is a huge antiestablishment year...people are pissed. non wingers could be convinced to vote for a democrat. but they have to be exposed to the message


this is not the time to be timid or selective about the audience. this is not a typical election. big changes require bold action

but it is a crappy network, i'll give you that. but some who watch might be convinceable

[bettyellen]

117. They would attack and smear Hillary and would Bernie too IF he gets the nomination.

The RW is using Bernie now, hoping it's him rather than Hillary.

[restorefreedom]

120. they are fools. they are going to lose anyway. but yes, no doubt they would ask tough questions nt

[jillan]

82. Hillary hasn't spoken to the media in over 2 weeks. Heard on cnn today that her traveling

press corp is getting a bit frustrated with her.

WTF? Why?

[restorefreedom]

83. i noticed that. i think the campaign is in major panic mode

and is trying to shield her like they did with the debate schedule

[jillan]

93. That's one of the reasons I support Bernie. It doesn't matter who he talks to....

no one is going to get him off his game because he knows who he is and he knows what he stands for.

[restorefreedom]

96. yup. a consistent and worthy message does not need to hide. nt

[LonePirate]

85. Since when is a refusal to go on Fox news synonymous with a fear to do so?

There are plenty of reasons besides fear not to appear on Fox.

[restorefreedom]

88. every single week since the campaign began?

thats how many times they have asked her.

its not a scheduling issue

[LonePirate]

91. Jumping to conclusions to fit a negative narrative benefits no one.

[restorefreedom]

94. its an opinion based on facts

the fact being that they have asked her every week and she has declined. anyone who wanted to get their message out usually takes most available opportunities

she will get questions she does not want to deal with. its a pretty straight line.

[LonePirate]

98. There are no facts that indicate fear is the reason she refuses to go on Fox News.

All you have is supposition and nothing more.

[Le Taz Hot]

87. And I GUARANTEE YOU

he got converts! Bet on it!

[restorefreedom]

89. no doubt in my mind :) nt

[arcane1]

126. Indeed! n/t

[HooptieWagon]

130. Hillary was also afraid to attend the Black America Forum last week.

Bernie went. I guess Hillary is only unafraid when she gives speeches to Goldman/Sachs and attends $2700/plate fundraisers.

[restorefreedom]

135. sure seems like. nt