Hillary Clinton is to the RIGHT of Trump on 2 major issues:

[TheSarcastinator]

the Iraq invasion & Health Care.

Iraq
Trump: it was a terrible mistake that cost lives, money and regional stability.
Hillary: I voted for it, I support it now.

Health Care
Trump: I support a single-payer system that takes care of everyone
Hillary: No we can't!

If both of them win their respective party's nominations, this will be the first time in recent memory where the Republican candidate was not the most traditionally conservative. Go ahead, keep crowing that Clinton will win it in a walk: her arrogance, like that of her husband, is a tragic and fatal flaw.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

1. THREE - TRADE

Hillary is wrong on some important issues

[TheSarcastinator]

5. the world is upside down

A racist demagogue is to the Left of the current Democratic favorite. Shameful.

[A Simple Game]

33. It would seem that the right's infiltration of the Democratic party is complete! n/t

[Lorien]

53. It took them 30 years, but the DLC finally achieved it's goal

of killing liberal progressive representation in America by turning Democrats into Republicans. We either push it back to it's left of center roots, or it dies.

[restorefreedom]

10. yes. TPP nt

[Broward]

16. Politically and on policy she'd be a terrible nominee.

She has major electoral weaknesses and Trump would have a very good chance at beating her.
He'd hammer her on all of these issues.

[Skwmom]

2. You forget her love of "free trade" that screws the American people.

[leftofcool]

3. So, will you be voting for Trump?

If you think that shithead will get you single payer health care, I have a few bridges to sell you.

[TheSarcastinator]

6. ah yes, the only attack possible is a personal one

No, I despise Trump. I know that pointing out Shillary's shortcomings is forbidden. You're intentionally misunderstanding what I wrote so that you can smear as a Trump supporter, which seems about the right tactic from Team Wall Street. Next up: call me a misogynist!

[Bluenorthwest]

15. To be fair that poster made the same sort of attacks on Barack Obama and his supporters in 2008

that the poster makes about Bernie and his supporters today. It's recycled, reused and revived every cycle no matter who Hillary's rival is. It is nonsense.

[NowSam]

54. Team Wall Street

Perfect.

[quantumjunkie]

13. No, they'll just stay home.

If Trump is to-the-left of Hillary on some major issues, which clearly the record shows (above), she's going to have a major problem in an enthusiastic base. Trump's base is rabidly excited. Bernie's base is rabidly excited. Hillary's base is well, hmmmm.

[Fawke Em]

31. Or vote Green or write-in.

I won't stay home. I always vote.

But there are more than two choices.

[Bohemianwriter]

14. What will be her argument...

if she gets selected by super delegates (as opposed to superpredators) even if she looses the popular vote and goes up against Trump?

She can't attack him for money in politics.

Can she attack him on foreign wars based on lies?


This is why Bernie Sanders is a better candidate than Hillary if Trump gets the GOP nomination.

There is nothing Trump can attack Bernie on except for the old tired "commie socialist" meme.

All Bernie has to do is to remind people who has given money to candidates from both parties in the past. Hillary, DNC and DC has become the Achilles Heel of the Democratic Party.

I am also curious about how Haillry and her surrogates are going to woo the Bernie Sanders supporters they have spent time in alienating the entire primary. I hope they will do a better job than what Hillary has done so far in her campaign.

Poor performance.

Don't expect loyalty when all you can do is use strawmen...

[Lorien]

55. I would either vote Green or write in a candidate

I would never vote Red (which is why I'll never vote for Hillary either) and local races count so staying home is never an option.

It's NOT the duty of left of center voters to bend to the will of the Right Wing hijackers of the DNC. It's the duty of party leaders to represent left of center voters. The party can either move left towards it's roots, or it can wither and die. But don't blame liberals; we never left the party, it was stolen away from us by right wing corporate interests.

[casperthegm]

4. Thank you

For a thread that discusses specific issues. I find that it is difficult to find these, especially from Clinton supporters. If we were to actually address specific stances on the issues, line by line, I suspect there wouldn't be much they could use, which is why we don't see those posts from them.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

7. False.

Hillary on her Iraq vote:

"It was a mistake"

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote-mistake-iowa-118109


Single Payer =/= Universal health care, but here is Hillary on universal health care:

"Universal health care is a core Democratic principle
If you don’t start out trying to get universal health care, we know--and our members of Congress know--you’ll never get there. If a Democrat doesn’t stand for universal health care that includes every single American, you can see the consequences of what that will mean. It is imperative that we have plans, as both John and I do, that from the very beginning say, “You know what? Everybody has got to be covered.” There’s only three ways of doing it. You can have a single-payer system, you can require employers, or you can have individual responsibility. My plan combines employers and individual responsibility, while maintaining Medicare and Medicaid. The whole idea of universal health care is such a core Democratic principle that I am willing to go to the mat for it. I’ve been there before. I will be there again. I am not giving in; I am not giving up; and I’m not going to start out leaving 15 million Americans out of health care."

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Health_Care.htm

I stand with Hillary. FUCK DONALD TRUMP!

[Nonhlanhla]

23. She supports universal health care

Which is not necessarily the same as single payer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Trump doesn't favor single payer either...

I defy anybody to cite his plan...

As I understand it he wants to dismantle the Affordable Care Act , allow you to buy health insurance across state lines, and compel hospitals and doctors to treat folks who can't afford it.

That doesn't sound like single payer to me nor does it sound like a plan.

Sounds like medical soup kitchens.

[Fawke Em]

37. He has no written plans for anything, but he did say he supports a type of universal care:

Donald Trump: Obamacare’s going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what’s going on with premiums where they’re up 40, 50, 55 percent.

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”

Scott Pelley: Universal health care.

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-healthcare-tax-increase-on-wealthy/ (Yes a right-wing site, but this IS about Trump)

Trump on TPP: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/12/donald-trump/trump-says-china-will-take-advantage-trans-pacific/

Look, I think Trump is an idiot, but that doesn't mean the OP is wrong in what Trump has said.

[Motown_Johnny]

32. I will now ask the question no Clinton supporter ever answers.

How will Hillary extend health care coverage to the homeless?

Medicaid requires that you apply for it and then prove that you are eligible to receive it. People without an address or state issued identification are unable to do this.

If you can't answer this then you must admit that Hillary is not for universal health care.

[pinebox]

60. No she does NOT support Universal Health Care

Sorry but that is 100% spin. Universal Health Care covers what? Everybody.
The ACA does NOT do that and it never ever will.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Please provide a citation where Trump favors single payer?

Thank you in advance.


Please provide a citation where Hillary Clinton currently says her IWR vote was a good idea.


Thank you in advance.

In the alternative I would ask you to peer into your conscience, do the right thing, and edit your original post as it is incorrect.

Thank you in advance.

[Fawke Em]

39. See my post at 37. eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. The problem is that Trump speaks in such broad generalities

Trump doesn't favor single payer either...

"I defy anybody to cite his plan...

As I understand it he wants to dismantle the Affordable Care Act , allow you to buy health insurance across state lines, and compel hospitals and doctors to treat folks who can't afford it.

That doesn't sound like single payer to me nor does it sound like a plan.

Sounds like medical soup kitchens."

-DemocratSinceBirth

The problem is that Trump speaks in such broad generalities we have no idea what he is really advocating. He is most deft when it comes to never giving a straight answer. He is a typical charlatan.

"What I’d like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state …..Get rid of the artificial lines and you will have yourself great plans. And then we have to take care of the people that can’t take care of themselves. And I will do that through a different system."

-Donald Trump

The different systems sounds like medical bread lines to me.

[Orangepeel]

48. "a type of universal health care" does not equal single payer

It sounds like what Hillary says, only more vague.

[Agschmid]

19. They don't even care, completely false OPs are kicked and rec'd.

[Fawke Em]

38. It's not false.

But, keep pushing your corporate-owned war hawk.

[leftofcool]

27. Donald Trump will never allow single payer.

He will repeal the ACA and he will bomb the first country he finds on the map. Never thought I would see Trump apologists on DU.

[speaktruthtopower]

8. Wall Street

is very smart to try to co-opt centrist Democrats.

[BeyondGeography]

9. Trump might actually be the strongest R candidate

His occasional bouts of lucidity could win many left-of-whacko voters who can't stand HRC. I think the question is whether these nods to the center make conservatives realize/fear that he is hijacking their party.

[jham123]

12. I find it fascinating

that Hillary went on a "Coalition" tirade the other night....a "War Coalition" the other night and no one seems to make mention of it.....Bernie went straight to the Kissinger thing after her self back-patting about making war...and no one mentions that at all..

[Broward]

17. Hillary would make a great nominee for the Republican Party.

We must not let the Dem Party get saddled with this pro-Kissinger corporatist.

[Agschmid]

18. Unrec.

Not even close to reality.

[Bucky]

20. four: keeping corporate money out of politics

This will be Trump's big issue in the Fall. He'll shred Clinton with it.

[RiverLover]

21. ^^^^ This is THE MOST imp issue.

Behind most every problem we face as a DEMOCRATIC nation.

I hope I can vote for our next president on this issue.

I hope I can vote for Bernie in the GE.

Corruption isn't OK, either party.

[Agschmid]

22. Most of his money is corporate $$$.

The man is essentially a corporation himself.

[RiverLover]

41. I think the point is that he won't be swayed by outside interests who have bought him off.

He hasn't been bought.

Not that I want trump. I'm still struggling with the fact that his candidacy isn't actually a joke. He could be our next president. Blows the mind.

[Agschmid]

44. It does.

[A Simple Game]

40. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump had a canceled check with Hillary's name on it. n/t

[Nonhlanhla]

24. This OP is disgusting

Twisting Hillarys record and even lying outright plus comparing her with that vile fascist Donald Trump.

[smiley]

35. then post why you dispute it please.

I tend to believe this op is true based on real statements made by Clinton.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Please see Post 25 and 29.

Respectfully, I don't believe you, the seminal poster, or anybody can refute what I wrote because it is empirically obvious.

Thank you in advance.

[A Simple Game]

43. I wasn't going to reply to it but now that you bring it up again; why would anyone use

Italics for the word currently when referring to something Hillary said?

Playing Hillary's game of always leaving yourself a possible way out?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. I don't play games, unless it's rec league basketball .

Hillary: I voted for it, I support it now.

-The Sarcastinator

Hillary on her Iraq vote:
"It was a mistake"

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote-mistake-iowa-118109

Maybe it's you who likes to play games.

[A Simple Game]

49. No,

I'm not currently playing any games.

But what does the second quote have to do with the first quote? They aren't mutually exclusive, admitting it was a mistake does not mean you don't still support it.

I bet you don't even realize the word games Hillary plays. She always leaves herself a way out, always.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. How can you still support an action you now say is a mistake?

The two are mutually exclusive

[A Simple Game]

64. How can you do it? It's done every day.

Haven't you heard the gems of wisdom like "It was wrong to start it but now we have to finish the job", "the only way to fix this mistake is to send in more troops", etc.?

Nor do you admit a mistake by using that mistake to advocate invading another country. We must invade Syria to fix the problem we started in Iraq is not a quote but some such words were used by Hillary. So maybe you are right, I really shouldn't say support is the right word, maybe I should say expand or escalate instead. But I would never say someone admitting a mistake is equal to that person regretting the consequences of that mistake other than the political fallout. But that is completely understandable when you consider the decision was wholly political to begin with.

You can also try to explain how Hillary supporters claim Bernie supported the war he voted against because he votes to fund the troops. Has Hillary now or in the past ever advocated for cutting off support to the troops in Iraq, because it was a mistake?

Of course they are not mutually exclusive. Very little in life is.

[pinebox]

62. It isn't a lie when it's a fact.

[Nonhlanhla]

65. Not factual

Outright falsehoods and distortions have never been factual.

[pinebox]

67. She said that however

And that is that.

[AzDar]

26. K & R

[Motown_Johnny]

28. Also on money in politics.

Trump admits the influence peddling that is business as usual.

Hillary claims money doesn't influence policy.

[Nyan]

30. On Syria.

Bernie is right on Syria.
Sad to say, but Trump is right on Syria.
Hillary is dead wrong on Syria. No-fly zone? I can't even count the reasons as to just how wrong that is.

[thesquanderer]

34. re: "Hillary: I voted for it, I support it now."

She does now admit it was a mistake.

[tularetom]

45. Trump v. Clinton = electoral disaster for Democrats

Sure, it's anecdotal, but I can personally tell you that I know at least 25 people who will vote for Trump in that scenario, and not a single one who would vote for Clinton. Not one. They aren't all Republicans either, probably fifteen of them would vote for Sanders in a race against Trump.

This is 1968 on steroids. If Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee by virtue of some dodgy paid off super delegate votes, yuuge numbers of long time Democrats will sit out this election. If Trump is the candidate, many will vote for him. They are that pissed off at the entire establishment and in a Clinton-Trump race, there isn't much doubt who represents the establishment.

Of course Clinton would probably get the endorsement of the RNC, whatever that might be worth.

[dsc]

47. both of your 'facts' in your OP are lies

First, she has repeatedly, as in over and over and over again, has stated that the Iraq vote was a mistake. It should also be noted that Trump didn't oppose the Iraq war when it was being voted upon. Second, neither Trump nor Clinton support single payer but Clinton does support universal care (no these aren't the same thing France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Spain, Italy, Japan, South Korea, and a whole bunch of other nations have universal care without it being single payer).

[pinebox]

63. A mistake which cost millions of lives

[ReasonableToo]

50. My top three issues are:

-campaign finance/verifiable elections
-anti-war
-single payer

It's very sad to think Trump is to left of democratic front runner.

Note: if it's trump v Hillary, I vote for Hillary. I hope it doesn't come to that.

[Lorien]

58. Mine are climate change and campaign finance reform

(nothing else matters if we don't have air to breathe, water to drink and food to eat. And that day is coming VERY fast: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jul/07/research.waste ) so I won't vote for either. I'll either vote Green or write in a candidate. No more of this "lesser of evils" bullshit!

[amborin]

51. In Debate: Trump: "I will build a wall." Hillary: "I've (ALREADY) voted many times to build a wall"

[Kip Humphrey]

52. Hillary Clinton is a 3rd-Way conservative Democrat. Only problem is her supporters are in denial.

[Lorien]

57. Many of her supporters are McCain/ G.W. Bush Republicans

I've met them on discussion boards. They're pro-war, pro-death penalty, pro-GMOs, anti-environment, Pro-mass incarceration, anti-Wall Street regulation, Pro-TPP, Pro Keystone XL and fracking, pro-torture....they're basically fascist conservative gay, minority or female Republicans who don't like the xenophobic, homophobic Christian Fundamentalist elements of the GOP, so they're "all in" for Hillary. They truly are DINOs.

[Broward]

61. Hillary and presumably many of her supporters are to the right of Trump

on several issues. I think we all need to let that sink in. These hawkish corporatists have hijacked the Dem Party. We will not turn things around in this country until we wrest back control of the Party from the pro-Kissnger and pro-Wall Street wing.

[HassleCat]

59. Trump playing to the disenfranchised

Supporting single payer is smart. It completely steals the issue from his Republican opponents, and his likely Democratic opponent. Even when Sanders wins the nomination, Trump has him stalemated on one issue. They would agree superficially about Iraq, but Trump would have to advocate an interventionist foreign policy, so he would disagree with Sanders about invading and occupying in general. Trump and Clinton would disagree on who to invade, how to do it, what would justify it, etc. but Trump has the advantage of being able to point to Iraq and say, "Here's an example of what you would do."

Don't misunderestimate Trump. He's more devious than the others, and he will outsmart them frequently.

[book_worm]

66. Better double check I don't think Trump is for single payer any longer

[anamnua]

68. Sounds to me

As if some of you guys will vote for Trump if he is up against Hillary.