The Clinton Campaign believes the best way to fight Bernie is to destroy his character

[cali]

and his reputation as a person of, well, honor. An old fashioned term, I know. But it encompasses those qualities for which Bernie is known. Just as importantly, it highlights her reputation as dishonest and lacking in integrity. The goal of Brock and his team of smear elves, is to drag Bernie down a few notches. They don't have to drag him down to her miserable level, just dirty him up. Thus the cheap dishonest attacks claiming he hobnobbed with lobbyists and took corporate money at luxurious DSCC fundraisers.
Thus the cries of hypocrisy. Thus attacking his credibility on his early activism. Thus the innuendo, smears and lies stacked on half truths. This is, after all, a Clinton Campaign. And that is how they roll

I posted on Tuesday night that one figure coming out of the NH exit polls was a huge red light for them: On honesty and integrity, it was 93% for Bernie and 6% for Clinton. It doesn't take any imagination to understand the panic in the Clinton Camp when they saw that. They know how deadly that stark comparison is.

The not him in the photo junket by the MSM reeks of David Brock. And the accusations strike at the heart of Bernie's reputation as a person of great integrity. We on social media pretty much took care of that one, but within the next couple of days there will be a similar slimy attack from Clinton's hired smear merchants.

This is after all, a Clinton Campaign.

[boston bean]

1. Hillary's character is besmirched by Bernie EVERY SINGLE DAY

He aint some shining light, that shines only pureness and good.

I hope she actually does hold him to some account. That's how the process works.

Promise the moon and when your opponent asks how you will do it, claim they are an oligarch out against the people they've been working for their entire adult life.

That is base politics, and Bernie aint above it.

So, GO HILLARY. Bernie isn't a victim, he is a politician.

[restorefreedom]

3. implying he is a racist, when he has fought for equality his entire career,

has nothing to do with how to pay for a program. its an ugly smear. period.

but that is what brock does best....l

[Amimnoch]

27. Hillary's done that? Wow! Link?

[restorefreedom]

44. she is too smart. she has her surrogates do it

you know, that slimeball brock.....

oh and lets not forget jonathan "its not bernie" capehart.....who will,sacrifice his career to portray bernie as a liar and poser....

[Amimnoch]

205. Yes, lets not forget Jonathan Capehart

Congratulations again on that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1233592

[restorefreedom]

206. this is sooo rovian.

a writer who perpertrates a falshood, and when confronted with the facts, obnoxiously doubles down. oh a writer who just happens to be the partner of someone who used to work for clinton at state.

and we are not supposed to call him out because he happens to be gay and black?

wow, the depseration of the clinton campaign is creating a deafening roar.

[Amimnoch]

207. Calling out = Character assassination, career threats, and insults?

Whod've thunk?


First, let's examine the "falshood"
You have 4x alumni who knew both Bruce and Bernie, and who claimed that it was actually Bruce.
You have the roommate, and best man from Rapport's wedding claiming it was Bruce.
You have the widow of Rapport also claiming that she believed it was her husband.
You have a Sanders Spokesperson who says that the campaign isn't positive it was Sanders.

You have a photographer who says it definitely was Sanders.

At the VERY least there was enough evidence to provide very reasonable doubt if it was or wasn't Sanders.
You'd think that Sanders, if his memory is working, could take one look at that photo, and go "yes, that was me right there, not Bruce". I know I can look at photo's from decades past, and even from my childhood and go "yes, that's me" with 100% certainty. Especially photo's that were part of the larger events in my life.

You might want to change your name here mate. One of the Key freedoms of the first amendment is the Press. You obviously aren't for it.

Tolerance is not part of supporting what you agree with. It's only applicable in your behavior on the things you don't.

[restorefreedom]

208. i didn't assassinate anyone's character

i said he needed to retract and that it is pretty crappy of him to double down when confronted with the facts (the photog who took it said it was bernie and was positive)

and freedom of speech applies to all of is, so i think i will hang on to my name

bernies campaign has come out and said they are 100 percent confident it was him.

and if capehart is going to use his position at the wp to push one candidate while slamming another, without disclosing his bias, he better be ready for the apporopriate criticism that will result

have a bernie day!

[Amimnoch]

209. Agreed that you didn't.

At least I haven't seen anything at all from you doing it.

However there's a TON of evidence of it being done by fellow supporters of yours that are. On here. On Twitter. On facebook.

If my post came across as laying that on you directly, please accept my sincere apology. I do make an honest effort not to lump everyone into one basket.

[restorefreedom]

210. thanks. no worries. i got the sense that you were upset

at the overall tone of the issue. there is a lot of stuff flying for sure. i really try and stick to issues and not persons. i don't always succeed, but the primary season will be long..plenty of time for mistakes and corrections on all sides

and this

peace, Amimmoch

[DhhD]

85. Clinton used Rep. John Lewis to place a mind set that Sanders was not seen at Civil Rights

events of the past so he wasn't there and Sanders is lying about his Civil Rights activities. In my opinion, Lewis conflated the presence of Bill and Hillary Clinton but never that of Bernie Sanders in the Civil Rights Movement when Lewis said that the Clinton's were present but not Sanders. Was Sanders present at the 2004 event?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/congressman-john-lewis-endorses-hillary-clinton-n440201


Last week, February 2016, Lewis was seen and heard giving his support to H Clinton for the D-Nomination for President when he actually gave his endorsement, months earlier, on July 30, 2015. Seems like Lewis and the Clinton campaign decided to set up a Swift boating and derogatory character assignation.

[Amimnoch]

154. She "uses" one of the greatest civil rights leaders?

So it's your summation that Rep John Lewis is not a man of his own mind, and his own opinion?

I guess the 84% of the rest of the Congressional Black Caucus who also has endorsed Hillary are likewise just pawns in her game?

How about the rest of the 158 Congressional Representatives that have endorsed her are likewise brainwashed? I guess the 2 representatives, this man with such a long and distinguished history in congress was able to pull are the only ones immune to her evil super powers of persuasion?

Ridiculous.

However if such an absurd affirmation was in any way correct, it would seem to me that someone who can pull that much stroke and had that great power to convince would be the one to pick when it comes to getting things done? In particular with the upcoming replacement of Scalia.

Especially when we know that this is what a Clinton SCOTUS appointment looks like:

[cali]

173. Her surrogates have been doing it for months and

so has her campaign. David Brock ring a bell?

[cali]

4. He has never besmirched her character

He has continued to talk about the inequities in our society as he has always talked about them. If that throws light on Hillary that is unfavorable, that her own fucking fault and her own problem.

[boston bean]

5. If Bernie continues to emphasize economic justice over racial justice, like a broken record, that is

is his "own fucking fault and his own problem". People can and should discuss it, because it is an issue that affects them and provides insight into how his policies would work for those who face these problems.

And YES he does besmirch it each time he talks about her taking campaign donations. Without a lick of proof that she has EVER done anything untoward as quid pro quo.

He is very good at painting himself as some sort of very pure politician, and anyone who doesn't do it his way is the enemy.

[RiverLover]

19. No its better to keep them poor, and do what Hillary wants to do to help them.............?

Ads maybe?

[Lucky Luciano]

33. You don't care about racial justice. You are only using it as a tool to smear. nt

[boston bean]

34. pot meet kettle......

[RiverLover]

40. Exactly.

Its obvious & its sickening.

[beam me up scottie]

55. ^^^THIS^^^

[GoneFishin]

88. Yep. They don't give a shit. They can't find anything real, so they deploy the Rove stategy

of attacking his strength of fighting for an even playing field for everybody, rather than increasingly tilting it more and more toward the top 0.01%.

Bernie wants EVERYONE to get a fair shot at an education and a decent life. What a bastard.

[bvf]

143. Truth. It's been obvious from the start. n/t

[islandmkl]

39. the term 'racial justice' is mostly bandied about by people who don't acknowledge the deeper problem

Martin Luther King, Jr. , Memphis, Tennessee, March 1968 speaking to the striking sanitary workers...

"Now our struggle is for genuine equality, which means economic equality. For we know now, that it isn't enough to integrate lunch counters. What does it profit a man to be able to eat at an integrated lunch counter if he doesn't have enough money to buy a hamburger? What does it profit a man to be able to eat at the swankest integrated restaurant when he doesn't even earn enough money to take his wife out to dine? What does it profit one to have access to the hotels of our cities, and the hotels of our highways, when we don't earn enough money to take our family on a vacation? What does it profit one to be able to attend an integrated school, when he doesn't earn enough money to buy his children school clothes?"

you cannot 'cure' racism but you sure as hell can cure economic inequality

[boston bean]

43. And you don't think there is a racial element to income inequality?

[islandmkl]

45. you have a light grasp of the post...i cannot argue in a circle

you understand and promote what you think...and I will do likewise...

while you are at it...offer your suggestion(s) at how to eliminate racism throughout the society...

you work on that...I'll work on getting the minorities and disadvantaged economic equality...

[Paka]

83. +100000

[blackspade]

96. Racial and economic justice are flip sides of the same coin.

And, no, economic justice is not the only thing he has talked about.
But you know this, even though this is Clinton's current 'attack' du jour.

[cannabis_flower]

135. He also talks about..

our corrupt campaign financing,
the tax system that allows corporations and wealthy Americans to pay less than their share,
criminal justice reform
the right to healthcare and so much more.

Bernie Sanders is not a one issue candidate.

And as far as the Bernie Sanders has no foreign policy experience. Well, lots of presidents had no foreign policy experience. I think we don't have to look back very far to find presidents that had no foreign policy experience when they first took office - Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. The important thing is whether you have a good record on foreign policy experience once you have some. Hillary has foreign policy experience but exactly what has she achieved and did she do a good job on foreign policy? There are some of us who aren't exactly impressed with her foreign policy experience.

[blackspade]

156. No need to lecture me about Sanders....

I was specifically responding to BB's post about economic and racial inequities.

[Jester Messiah]

106. You're actually defending corporate money in politics.

Sorry, I'm just going to need a moment here.

[boston bean]

109. I'm not an absolutist. I understand in today's environment $$ is needed to win an election.

So, until that day changes, I am not going to make Hillary out to be some monster, when there isn't one iota of evidence she has ever been bribed or voted in a fashion as quid pro quo.

[Jester Messiah]

115. Sorry, don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining.

Hillary's a corporate tool, bought and paid for. The receipt takes the form of those lucrative speaking fees; the goods delivered were Iraq and a bunch of pro-corporate legislation. Sufficient evidence has been obtained, at least so far as the Voters' Court goes.

[SusanCalvin]

193. Nobody, including Bernie,

ever said she was influenced directly. Saying she takes corporate cash is only a smear if you think it is. If you think it's OK, then Bernie pointing it out should be irrelevant to you.

[CorporatistNation]

199. The "Bribe" IS... To NOT CHANGE ANYTHING! To Preserve ...The Status Quo!

Because that is the way the powers that be like it... They are amaking out just fine the way things are. How's that working for most of the rest of us? WE want fucking BIG change... They want things kept the same. Hillary is compensated by the powers that be to NOT change a GD thing... Money up front... Money and position after. THAT IS HOW "THINGS" WORK!

[Jarqui]

126. link for "Bernie continues to emphasize economic justice over racial justice"?

Economic justice is a part of racial justice. I'll let feelthebern.org explain that to you:
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-racial-justice/

US Poverty Today
Blacks 27%
Latinos 25%
Other 15%
Whites 10%

Unemployment today
Blacks 10.x%
Whites 4.x%

To paraphrase MLK, he said that there wasn't a lot of point to desegregating hotels and restaurants if blacks couldn't afford them. It's hard to argue convincingly against that basic logic.

Economic justice doesn't mean one ignores discrimination, discrimination in voting rights, discrimination in housing, substandard education for blacks, racial disparities and inequalities in healthcare, disproportionate incarceration of blacks, disproportionate shooting of unarmed blacks by police, etc, etc, etc - all the other racial issues.

Combined with the above link, Bernie covers a bunch of them here:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

Economic justice is a big deal because it helps or reduces many of the above issues:
poverty
unemployment
helps overcome substandard education for blacks for some blacks
substandard education for blacks because more can afford education
racial disparities and inequalities in healthcare because more can afford healthcare
disproportionate incarceration of blacks because more blacks can afford to eat rather than committing crimes to get by
disproportionate shooting of unarmed blacks by police is likely to be reduced because more will be in school or in jobs - off the street
discrimination in voting rights would be improved because more can afford photo ID or whatever to get over the hurdle in front of them

If blacks got similar pay & similar employment as whites and we did nothing else, that would be enormous and help blacks with reduction of nearly all the other issues. It's the only issue on the list that has such a wide impact. Bernie is absolutely right to give it a high priority.

[MrMickeysMom]

132. Take your temperature... You have a fever, I'm sure...

I think you have "besmirch fever" !1!!!1!1!!111!

And YES he does besmirch it each time he talks about her taking campaign donations

[DhhD]

134. Hillary Clinton voted to privatize Iraqi Oil as Bush said the US was going in to Liberate and

corporatize, a sovereign country. Clinton and her revolving door team set up the corporatization and fascism of the National Oil Industry of Mexico while Sec. of State.

Check with WikiLeaks. And check with WikiLeaks about what US Energy Corporations got the Oil contracts from the Right Wing Corporate Mexican Leadership. TPP is Clinton's gold standard, after NAFTA.

[boston bean]

136. And Bernie votes to fund all wars, he is such a principled guy..

And he loves the $$ from the MIC rolling into his state of VT.

[boston bean]

141. Was his vote needed to fund the troops? No it was not. He could have stood on principle.

He didn't. He likes to say he doesn't support war, when in fact he does every single time.

He also voted the 2001 AUMF, which to this very day is used to give authority for more military action.

[A Simple Game]

151. But if his vote had been needed to fund the troops, would you now be applauding

his standing on principle if he voted against the funding?

Truth be told Bernie can never win in your eyes, anything he does will not be right from your slanted perspective. As with your complaining about his vote to fund the troops, you agree with the funding, you just disagree with the person who voted to fund them.

[boston bean]

152. So he makes political calculations, going against his principle.

Welcome to the world of politics.

Now, try to hold every politician to the same standard.

[Kalidurga]

177. My brother in law was in Iraq twice

His son and my nephew was in Afghanistan. I will not vote for any Democrat that would be willing to let them hang in their with no means to do their jobs even if I disagree with them being sent there and I don't particularly like their jobs.

[Armstead]

144. Separating racial from economic justice is the broken record

It's a weird kind of anti affirmative action.

[boston bean]

146. You should let Bernie know that, since his emphasis is solely on economic solutions of racism.

And barely does he address the issue of racism keeping wages low.

But whatever, keep on keeping on.

[Armstead]

147. You refuse to even hear the many times he has addressed racism directly..

But whatever

[thereismore]

163. The thing is, we all know how money works. We don't need no smoking gun. nt

[cui bono]

192. Oh please, this old meme again?

Then again... say it with me now...

Bernie has been fighting for civil rights his entire adult life.

To try to minimize it by attempting to separate social justice from economic justice is simply a way for you to justify backing the corporate candidate who is beholden to Wall Street and health insurance companies.

We all know Bernie is for social justice. To continue to claim he is not, or that he not for it enough, is complete and utter bullshit.

.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

9. Why would anyone employ David Brock?

He is the biggest scumbag since Lee Atwater.

[SusanCalvin]

194. That is a very fine question. nt

[Live and Learn]

13. That is where you are wrong. Hillary besmirched her own character by voting for the IWR,

calling children to heel, stumping for her husband on NAFTA, Welfare Reform and the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement and advocating for fracking, Welfare Reform and the TPP. Not to mention taking money from corporations, private prisons and Super-pacs.

Bernie uses her own record very sparingly and usually only in answer to her own vile and often untrue attacks against him.

[boston bean]

16. And with Bernie's long record he has done enought to be besmirched as well.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

this is politics.

Why make your candidate appear so ineffectual that if he loses it was a conspiracy of the oligarch? It might make people feel better, but it's bupkis.

[Fumesucker]

20. Then why did Capehart just destroy his career trying to lie about Sanders?

All over a fifty year old picture?

[Live and Learn]

24. Cause the pickings on Bernie are pretty slim. nt

[restorefreedom]

46. bingo! nt

[GoneFishin]

93. Ding! Ding! Ding! And it shows in their imbecilic smears.

[boston bean]

25. I sincerely doubt Jonathan Capehart has "destroyed" his career over that.

Only internet warriors are worrying and listening to this extremely non important, issue. And thinking it makes all the difference in the world for Bernie.

Believe me most people aren't going to base their vote on whether Jonathan Capehart wrote something wrong, especially since the wife is still saying it is Rappaport.

Now, believe me, I JUST DON'T give a shit about it, so don't come back to me with arguments that you think I don't think it's Bernie. I DON'T CARE. Like most people living in the US.

[Fumesucker]

28. Of course you care, you were right in the middle of the arguments over it

Internet warrior that you are...

Clicky, clicky.

[boston bean]

30. I was? why don't you go ahead an prove that.

[Live and Learn]

50. Like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251798460#post2

[boston bean]

56. OMG!!!! I wrote the word UTOH!

LOL

That proves I was right in the thick of it..... This is a joke, right?

[Live and Learn]

62. It appears you agreed with the OP. That was the first hit on your name and Bernie, photographs

would you like me to go get some more? I can assure you plenty more showed up..

[boston bean]

89. It appears, it appears, it appears.......

I was reacting to a new development.

And please post the many others. If they are as innocuous as the one you posted, I'm in good shape. Proving I DON'T give a shit about this.

You got the links to me saying that?

[Live and Learn]

92. You claimed you weren't there. This is a MFWC argument if I ever saw one. nt

[boston bean]

95. I claimed what????????????????

[Live and Learn]

98. He/she said you were in the middle of the arguments. You said prove it.

Your post was pretty much in the middle. Proving you were there too. See, a MFWC argument?

[boston bean]

100. The singular word "utoh" proves I was in the middle of arguments????

A post where not one single soul replied to it, put me in the middle of arguments?

[Live and Learn]

102. Are you asking me why nobody replied to your ridiculous comment? nt

[boston bean]

103. I'm asking you to prove the false allegation in question, which

you and the original member who made the accusation have provided ZERO evidence of.

[Live and Learn]

105. Actually, I did and the other member probably doesn't have so much time to waste.

Here is another: Post #85, I believe:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1213369

[boston bean]

107. keep 'em coming. This evidence you post will soon make it clear to all

that the allegation is FALSE.

[Live and Learn]

110. You made the false allegation. You claimed you stayed out of the fray. But you didn't.

Like I said, just another mushroom filled with creme post.

[boston bean]

112. Two posts puts me right in the fray. Come on, you can do better than that. Find some more posts.

I will especially like you to find the ones that state exactly what I said above, to which a false allegation was made.

[Live and Learn]

120. Sorry, I have helped you enough for one day. I have better things to do.

Have to go help Bernie out. Have a good day. And don't step on any more creamy mushrooms.

[boston bean]

121. figured.

[BillZBubb]

202. It is easy to see why you like Hillary so much.

You both like to skate around the edges of truth.

[Ligyron]

84. You need more hearts so I'll give you one.

[Bluenorthwest]

167. The 'wife'? You mean the woman who was married to Rappaport for 5 years several decades ago and who

was not present on the day of the photographs? Where in her lies standing to judge that photo? In knowing Bruce long ago? In not being there at the event?

How does 'the wife's' word have any merit at all, much less merit comparable to that of Lyon? You still might want to read up on Danny Lyon. His photos are source material for much civil rights and social justice history, disparage his integrity you disparage a vast body of very important works.

The wife. But really long estranged from a five year marriage ex wife. Who was not present.

Words mean things.

[cali]

97. They really are.

[SusanCalvin]

195. The sad thing is that I'm afraid he *hasn't* destroyed his career. nt

[Admiral Loinpresser]

200. There's always Fox. n/t

[Live and Learn]

22. Has he? Why keep them secret? Elaborate please, share the wealth of your knowledge.

Ineffectual? He's winning so far.

Are you implying that you guys have been holding back? Do you have something worse that killing hundreds of thousands with the IWR that Bernie didn't vote for? I seriously doubt it. Hillary was wrong and this is the price she is paying for her little 'mistake', among other 'mistakes'.

Feel the Bern!!!!!

[Ed Suspicious]

108. And in reality, the cost to her is pretty fucking low. Not getting to be POTUS is really not

end of the world.

[Live and Learn]

114. Very low indeed. nt

[Katashi_itto]

15. Project much?

[Helen Borg]

23. Hillary's new slogan: Vote for me because I am besmirched.

[boston bean]

26. Pretty sure that would fit Bernie a bit better. EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET HIM!

[Helen Borg]

31. No longer inevitable, now Hillary is running on fumes, really...

So, she may as well try that card, see if it sticks. Bernie's message has been consistent and is resonating, he does not need new slogans.

[boston bean]

32. Well, you could just say she is copying Bernie again........

[Live and Learn]

52. Not everyone, just Republicans and a few loyalists. nt

[SmittynMo]

76. Naw, I liked "No we can't"

It's a perfect match for her.

[Hydra]

203. It's their official line even!

Along with, "How much can you donate?"

[backscatter712]

36. Hillary besmirched her own character.

All the criticism she's received about things like her relationship with Kissinger, her pandering, her extremely late LGBTQ rights "evolution", her Iraq War vote, her poor judgment for having that private email server, etc. etc. etc. she brought on herself.

[boston bean]

37. And Bernie is the best! He aint never done a thing that could be questioned, EVER!

[backscatter712]

38. Nobody's claiming Bernie's perfect.

But he's a decent and honorable man.

And he doesn't pal around with war criminals.

[boston bean]

41. he just hangs with people who create death machines, and brings jobs to his people

in VT all proceeds from the MIC. ie the F35 program and Lockheed Martin.

See how this works?

Do I think Bernie is corrupt person, no I don't.

But don't put a standard on one person, that you won't hold another to.

[beam me up scottie]

54. Wait, wut? Who does he hang out with?

Do you have any evidence for that claim?

[boston bean]

61. here you go.

That is him hobnobbing with Rich Stulen of Sandia. A subsidiary of LMCO.

[beam me up scottie]

63. He's at a meeting not "hanging around" or "hobnobbing" with him. When did they spend time together?

This is just a desperate attempt to claim Bernie is corrupt.

[Karma13612]

72. +10 eom

[boston bean]

66. You are a creep.

[beam me up scottie]

68. He's gone, sorry you had to see that.

[boston bean]

69. As you know it is not the first time that has been posted to me.

[beam me up scottie]

70. It's the same troll who's been posting shit like that for years.

Next time alert then pm MIRT and we'll take him out asap.

[boston bean]

71. right.

[marble falls]

159. Bean, he's "hobnobbing"? That's not hobnobbing! This is hobnobbing.....

http://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M01a5b17455b46b2727968d7aa6012721o0&pid=15.1

[jillan]

164. He is sitting there TALKING to them - not getting PAID to talk to them,

do you not understand the difference?

[Bohunk68]

57. Henry Kissinger, killer of millions. Vacation friend of Hillary.

[SusanCalvin]

196. Really. That almost makes me physically ill. nt

[stonecutter357]

51. Bernie isn't a victim, he is a politician.

[Bluenorthwest]

169. Danny Lyon isn't a poltician, he's the target of poltiical operatives

A most valuable American, trashed and tarnished. That is not acceptable. But you applaud it.

[SusanCalvin]

197. Yep. Cavalier disregard. Worse than going after Bernie. nt

[blackspade]

91. Besmirched in what way?

The only damage done to Clinton's character was done by Clinton.

[Jester Messiah]

104. Reminds me of how Republicans cry foul when confronted with their own words.

If recalling your past words and deeds and then drawing a contrast makes you think you're being "besmirched", maybe the problem's with you.

[Betty Karlson]

113. Anything to win. Clinton would sacrifice the GE if it helps her win a primary. eom

[boston bean]

117. She should do anything she can to win. I have no problem with that.

This is politics.

[Betty Karlson]

122. Then she is shortsighted. The GE is important: we cannot afford to lose it

and definitely not over Hillary's sense of entitlement.

[boston bean]

123. If Bernie won't do everything he can to win, why do you support him?

I mean what good would it be to support someone who isn't willing to give it their all.

[Betty Karlson]

127. Because leadership is about doing the right thing even when the wrong thing

is easier to accomplish. I am rather taken aback that you don't know that. Clinton has shown time and again to be a follower, not a leader, because she will do the wrong thing until doing the right thing has become the last and only option.

[boston bean]

128. You are going to be extremely disappointed if he ever wins, cause he will never ever live up to that

standard.

[Betty Karlson]

129. Vote for Clinton: she is sub-standard!

Cool slogan, bro...

[boston bean]

133. And Bernie won't ever compromise on ANYTHING I don't want him to

is pretty naïve.

[Betty Karlson]

149. Let's compare, shall we?

DOMA:

Clinton said: yes Bill do it. Strike this 'compromise' with the GOP.

Sanders said: Mr. President don't do it.

DADT:

Clinton was all for it, because a compromise 'had to be' struck with the GOP

Sanders called it an impugning of the character of thousands of American military personnel.

Marriage Equality

Clinton opposed it as recently as 2013. She only started suporting it after her obstruction rendered her unelectable because of shifting public opinion.

Sanders was right there with the body of consensus within the LGBT rights movement, every step of the way. As mayor of Burlington, he facilitated gay rights marches as far back as the 1980-ies.

Iraq War Resolution

Clinton was all for it, because polls told her that is how she could obtain the presidency in due course.

Sanders voted against it, and warned for the consequences that have, by now, become all too clear and all too atrocious.

TPP

Sanders was always against it, because it will lead to poverty in the United States and detorioration of environmental and labour protection laws.

Clinton calls it / called it / triangulated it a "golden standard".

Fracking

Sanders has warned time and again that we need to move to enegy-independent means of production, and not hazard human health.

Clinton was promoting it across the globe.

Minimum Wage

Clinton would start the negotiations at 12 Dollars an hour, even though that is BELOW living standard.

Sanders would start at 15 Dollars. Maybe he will compromise, but compromising from a strong opening bid is better than compromising from a sub-standard opening bid.

Racial Justice

Sanders has stood with the civil rights movement for four decades. Sometimes he was the ONLY Caucasian congressperson to show up to protest when PoC's voting rights were under threat / being denied. Even now, he is the one with the plan to demilitarise the police, stop the war on drugs (which plays right into the hands of those who want to target communities of colour) and abolish private prisons.

Clinton happily took contributions from the prison industry, which disfavours PoC disproportionally / supports the Death Penalty, which affects communities of colour disproportionally / called minors of colour 'predators who must be brought to heel'.

So yeah, I actually do believe that he won't compromise on anything I care about. Because I know him to be a man of honour and principle. His record informs me of his character and trustworthiness.

[Jim Lane]

153. Great post, but you left out welfare "reform"

I can just cut and paste what you wrote about DOMA:

Clinton said: yes Bill do it. Strike this 'compromise' with the GOP.

Sanders said: Mr. President don't do it.

Of course, with John Lewis so much in the news of late, we can add that he also opposed the bill, which has turned out to be as bad as he foretold. His statement and an analysis of the consequences can be found here: "John Kasich and the Clintons Collaborated on Law That Helped Double Extreme Poverty"

[Betty Karlson]

174. You are right. I suppose I left out a few more items.

With Third Way, it is almost impossible to keep track of every wrong turn they take.

Thanks for the addition, and feel free to add more.

[boston bean]

131. If there is no difference, then what are we voting for?

[Jim Lane]

155. So it seems there are two big reasons not to support Bernie.

One is that a candidate should be willing to do anything to win; Hillary is but Bernie isn't (your post #123).

The other is that Bernie can never live up to that standard of doing the right thing when the wrong thing is easier (your post #128, six minutes later).

Clever argument! Just about any choice Bernie makes can be adduced as support for one prong or the other.

[frylock]

190. Clearly.

Win at all costs. Scorched earth. Ends justify the means. We know.

[NurseJackie]

148. Thank you! Well said ...

Lordy, Lordy! I declare! ... It shor's hot in this kitchen, ain't it?

[cherokeeprogressive]

157. Victimhood. It's what's for dinner.

[mgmaggiemg]

162. agree

[uponit7771]

175. Amen!!

[frylock]

189. Hillary's "character" is besmirched by her own past words and actions.

[rhett o rick]

201. Six infants die in this country before they reach 1 year of age for every 1,000 live births.

That's worse than all modern countries. In fact 38 countries have lower infant mortality rates. I fine it immoral to support the profits of Goldman-Sachs over helping the poor in this country. A vote for HRC is a vote for Goldman-Sachs.

[restorefreedom]

2. and that will be high on the list of reasons for their undoing. nt

[bowens43]

7. that's how the clintons roll.....always have, always will

[bklyncowgirl]

48. There is a history there. In the 90s the Clinton campaign kneecapped Jerry Brown with rumors.

Before the New York Primary Clinton supporters, possibly operatives, were calling into radio talk shows saying that they knew for a fact that Brown was gay leading a frustrated Brown to snarl during an interview with Phil Donahue "Yes I do date girls? Do you want names and phone numbers?" Brown lost New York but his campaign was dealt him the coup-de-grace when a group of anonymous California State troopers went on a news program claiming that the former governor openly tolerated drug use by his rock star friends--including former girlfriend Linda Ronstadt and may have indulged a bit himself. There was something about roaches (of the marijuana variety) found in a bedside soda can.

Mind you there was no direct connection to the Clintons but most suspected that they orchestrated the hit. The novel "Primary Colors" is based on that story. In the novel the target of the smear commits suicide. Fortunately for the state of California Jerry Brown is made of tougher stuff though he did leave politics for a while to get the nasty taste out of his mouth.

Of course in 2008 the Clinton campaign tried to do the same thing to a surging Barak Obama. Smears, innuendo. Pictures of him in Muslim garb turned up. His association with Reverend Wright, etc.

The good thing about this was that by the time the general election rolled around the Clintons had pretty much exposed every possible negative bit of information about Obama. When the Republicans brought it up the reaction was pretty much "Oh crap not this again."

If Sanders can survive the Clintons, he should be able to survive the GOP.

[Karma13612]

78. Wow, I didn't know about this.

But I am not surprised in the least.

As the campaign wears on, I actually am feeling more and more confident that Bernie is made of the right stuff. And like Obama, will be able to tackle not only the Clinton machine, but also the GOP.

And next January, I am taking the day off from work to watch him become POTUS45.

Gnaw on that Hillary and Mitch!

[cali]

101. I wish you'd do an op on this.

[SusanCalvin]

198. Me too. nt

[peacebird]

10. And try to convince America that SHE is actually the liberal standard bearer. What a joke she is.

She can Wrap herself in Obama's legacy and spout Bernie's issues all she wants, who would believe a word she says at this point?

[RoccoR5955]

67. Clinton shall NEVER convince me

that she, nor her husband are any sort of Liberals. They are opportunists and corporatists.

[SammyWinstonJack]

82. Not this Bernie supporter.

[AtomicKitten]

11. I once heard a TV talking head say she looks bad just standing next to him

And Team Clinton isn't having it.

[Cobalt Violet]

12. So very Republican of her.

Just like everything else she seem to stand for until last week or so.

[oberliner]

14. Maybe it was just Capehart

He saw the photo getting play on social media, remembered the article from Time magazine, and tried to be a smartass by "debunking" it without doing any kind of actual reporting or due diligence.

Seems like Capehart is the culpable one here, not the Clinton campaign.

[cali]

17. It was not.

[oberliner]

18. How do you know this?

Do you have evidence to suggest he was being directed to do this by the Clinton campaign (if that is what you are claiming)?

[cali]

21. Because simultaneously it was Frizell and Tweety

[oberliner]

58. They could have pursued this in support of Hillary

Without being directed by the Hillary campaign itself.

They could just be Hillary fans who wanted to try "get" Bernie of their own accord.

[restorefreedom]

49. his partner/husband works for them

but i am sure its all coincidence..

[oberliner]

60. How do you know this?

On his Twitter feed he says this:

Javier Narvaez
capehart's husband works for the clinton campaign fyi

Jonathan Capehart
Incorrect on both counts.

Do you have evidence to show that he is lying about this?

[restorefreedom]

87. my mistake. he USED to work for clinton

third paragraph, senior protocol officer under sec clinton

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-PLUMBOOK-2012/pdf/GPO-PLUMBOOK-2012-8-22.pdf


an article about the couple referencing his work at state


http://capitolfile-magazine.com/inside-jonathan-capehart-and-nick-schmits-house


but i am sure feels no loyalty at all to his former boss....

[oberliner]

90. OK

But it's one thing to say that this was motivated by being pro-Hillary and another thing to say that it was orchestrated by the Hillary campaign.

[restorefreedom]

99. it was someone else who claimed he worked for the campaign, i don't know who it was

but its like the game telephone...info is easy to screw up going through many hands

orchestrated is hard to define in this context, imo. we have a guy who used to work for sec clinton. his partner goes on a tear with no verifiable info. when confronted with solid info of his "mistake," he doubles down.

were phone calls made by clinton telling him to do this? unlikely. but it would not surprise me to learn that calls were made by clinton surrogates after the piece came out to schmit or even cape-hart himself as to handle the aftermath.

conjecture on my part.

that is the problem with dirty campaigning. there is always the phone call/paper trail/collusion theories that will persist no matter what.

it has been my experience that when something starts to stink, there is usually something there to cause the smell. but such is politics, hey?

[Vincardog]

182. His SO works for the Hillary campaign. Don't you think there is any pillow talk?

[oberliner]

184. Used to

Clearly they both like Hillary and that is motivating this.

That does not implicate the campaign itself.

[Vincardog]

186. IT is what they do, learn form history or be doomed to repeat it

[no_hypocrisy]

29. If the two candidates were republican, perhaps ad hominum/personal attacks would have some influence

but unless policy issues are challenged, democratic voters are likely to stay with their candidates and not change.

[HereSince1628]

79. I don't think dem voters are particularly immune from any human behavior.

Generally speaking, personal attacks are rationalized away by people who feel they are just revealing important information about an opponent's character, intelligence, motivations, etc.

Most people never drill very deep into issues and stop at some superficial level of analysis once they have confirmed their preexisting belief/bias. That's particularly easy to see whenever conversation turns to historic votes.

[Fuddnik]

35. The Clintons have no character.

It's all about power.

Is Karl Rove secretly on their payroll? Because this is the type of underhanded attack that is his trademark. Undermine your opponents strong points. I've followed Bernie Sanders career for over 20 years. His character has always been beyond reproach. And this attack is Rove and Fox News quality. Very Clintonesque.

I'll repeat a mantra I used back in 2008, and haven't used since.

No Hillary. No. How. No Way!

Bernie is trying to focus on issues and policy. The Clinton campaign is digging through their outhouse, trying to throw anything at him they hope will stick. Anything to distract from their record and corruption.

[oberliner]

74. How are the Clintons culpable in this?

Why not just blame Capehart himself?

[Vincardog]

183. Would you blame an attack dog or its' owner?

[oberliner]

185. Human beings are not dogs

This guy likes Hillary, wanted to get Bernie, thought this was a good way to do so.

There is zero evidence of the campaign having anything to do with it.

[Vincardog]

187. Do you stick your fingers in your ears so as not to hear anything bad about Hill?

[Karma13612]

80. I came up with: No Way Third Way Hillaray. Thought it

was kinda catchy.

[RoccoR5955]

42. Clinton still fails to see her own weakness.

Listen to the two of them talk.
Listen for the words, I, me, us and we.
Who uses which words the most.
This tells me something quite revealing about both candidates. This is something I do not think either of them have the ability to change. It's a matter of personality and world outlook.
'Nuff Said.

[stonecutter357]

53. when and if bernie fails to be elected it will be his fault no one else.

[RiverLover]

59. I admire your unwavering support, but don't understand how good people can back corruption, inc.

And want more republican policies enacted by a Democrat who only talks like a Democrat, & only in public.

[stonecutter357]

77. Don't tell anyone but,

I'll be just happy with Bernie.

[RiverLover]

94. LOL Its our little secret, then.

[GreatGazoo]

65. Because they can't move her trust and likability numbers up, they try to take Sanders' down

through outright lies and dirty tricks.

In doing so they risk making the gap greater as a new group of people, who were perhaps neutral on HRC's character, come to see her as nakedly and amorally driven, an Earth-scorcher of General Sherman caliber.

[Waiting For Everyman]

73. She's demonstrating what she'd be like as President too.

And that's a big "NO SALE".

She wouldn't lie to us then any less than she's lying to us now.

She's demonstrating that she's with the "say anything, do anything" school of politics. And she doesn't seem to grasp the obvious -- that that is exactly what people don't want.

This stuff is really stupid on her part. Add that to the list of negative qualities, it's growing.

[CentralMass]

86. Well said.

[Doctor_J]

119. Nixon in a pant suit

[Neana]

75. I just can't trust her

Everything about her seems scripted and phony, and her beliefs about issues change depending on the audience she is talking to.

[hoosierlib]

81. Its the Clinton's default play...

Ask of all the women that had the audacity to come forward and claim they were assaulted...

[Doctor_J]

111. I think they have figured out that it's the ONLY approach that might work

If the campaign is run on the issues, Hillary will lose, big time.

The upside is that the attacks backfire, every time.

[Nanjeanne]

116. Never in my life did I think I would see a Democrat

Creating such racial divisiveness in their own party. There is only one person responsible and that is Hillary Clinton's. She chose this path in a desperate need to win SC. She will continue on this path bringing the tone of the campaign down and creating a rift with people like me who find it more and more difficult to consider voting for her.

But mark my words. When the next brick in her stairway to the Presidency is needed. It's going to be TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS! That will be the Ohio and Pennsylvania strategy.

[dlwickham]

118. So telling the truth about Sanders is a bad thing

So telling the truth about Sanders is a bad thing

Strange world you live in

[Beowulf]

145. And what truth is this?

[dlwickham]

161. Really

What's the thing about denial not being on the river in Africa

[Beowulf]

166. I see.

You are not going to answer the question. If you want to convince me, you have to do better than "because I told you so."

[dlwickham]

178. The truth could bite you on the ass

And you'd still ignore it

[Beowulf]

179. Very mature.

This is what passes for political discourse in Clintonville?

[dlwickham]

191. You're amusing

[Maedhros]

204. Your posts appear to have been made by a textbook troll,

therefore you go on the ignore list. I encourage others to do likewise, to cut down on your ability to disrupt, distort and distract.

[Bluenorthwest]

171. Definitions: Truth-that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.

Gossip : casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true.

Learn the difference.

[dlwickham]

176. That sounds like a lesson Sanders fans should learn

That sounds like a lesson Sanders fans should learn

[PatrynXX]

125. Big issue is bait.

And I don't think he cares let alone paying attention to the mud. He's Jewish, he's used to it. Just noise.

[Politicub]

138. All of this stupid Bernie vs. Hillary stuff is just mental masturbation at this point

It's about who is going to win and nominate the next Supreme Court justice.

If hell freezes over and Obama gets to nominate someone this year, it still means that more than one justice will most likely retire during the next presidential term.

[krawhitham]

139. Hillary had a choice to make just like in 2008

Either get people to like her more by promoting her views and ideas OR make people like Bernie less by attacking and smearing him and his ideas


She and her campaign has chosen the latter which will alienate Bernie's supports and if she wins doing this many will not vote for Hillary come November. Bernie supporters will feel the Clinton Machine STOLE this from them with slander, smears, & lies. So if she wins the primary we could very well be screwed because it could very well end up costing us the supreme court for 15-20 years and much more.

Now if it is Trump or Cruz I do not think it maters who we run, we win. But if Jeb or Kasich win the primary we have problems because the Clinton campaign has alienated young and independents voters. The Young might stay home or jump ship and the independent voters will simply vote for the GOP guy (they're called independent for a reason).

If she had picked option #1 and won the Bernie supporters would have thought they fought the good fight and just lost to the better campaigner, most would have no ill feelings for Hillary and would for the most part coalesce around her for the General Election run.

But in the end they have decided to go full tilt boogie scorched Earth on Bernie and that decision might cost us all, everything

[Awknid]

142. K & R

[yourpaljoey]

150. They have looked and looked... and Bernie came clean

Could not find a single instance of him dipping Susie's pigtails in the inkwell in grade four,
or throwing snowballs at the school bus, or copying from his neighbor during Science 101.
Lord knows they have looked. He has been vetted by the hungriest, most viscous,
best-paid team ever assembled... and He. Came. Clean.
He is ready for the General.

Hillary, on the other hand - well, to quote the Fonz, "Hey Ho!"

[MisterP]

172. they used Obama's 3rd-grade and kindergarten essays

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/2/417097/-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/off-the-bus-reporter/hillary-says-obamas-kinde_b_75248.html

[cherokeeprogressive]

158. Only because they can't destroy his policies.

[amborin]

160. this is it

[treestar]

165. says who, I haven't seen any of that

And if Bernie can't stand the heat, he can stay out of the kitchen. Bernie supporters complain to much about the rough and tumble of elections that is always the case.

[Bluenorthwest]

170. So did you find that photo of Hillary landing under sniper fire yet?

Or is her campaign too busy trying to explain why she preached against LGBT rights for 20 years? Want to play hot kitchen games with your own posts, that's perfectly acceptable under DU rules and it would be fun for me....it's rough and tumble you want, you sure can have it. Just ask.

[cali]

180. Made you look.

That poster will not respond

[Fearless]

168. Good luck

[Andy823]

181. You mean like

What has been going on around here by so many of those who call themselves Bernie supporters? You know, the ones that never say anything if it's not negative towards Clinton, and especially the ones that continue to point out how they will NEVER vote for her if she winds the GE, even though they don't have to admit such things they, seem to love saying it. Do you mean that kind of character assassination?

[Uncle Joe]

188. Brought up precisely to smear Bernie's integrity and because they believed his early activism was a

plus with the African American community, "two birds with one stone."


Thanks for the thread, cali.