2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes anyone here remember what it was like in the US in 1962?
Standing up for African American rights wasn't safe, easy, or commonplace. I respect Bernie Sanders more now than when this swiftboat attack started. The facts speak for themselves.
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)Bernie Sanders was not just some northern white college kid jumping on the protest bandwagon; Bernie Sanders was helping build that bandwagon.
senseandsensibility
(17,064 posts)I don't remember, but I'm old enough to know that what Bernie did in 1962 can not be judged through a 2016 lens. In addition, his actions compare EXTREMELY favorably with the candidate running against him at that time.
geologic
(205 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Were going to civil rights sit-ins and marches because it was the "in" thing to do.
Yeah. Right.
(I just love it when morans spout off about things of which they know nothing. )
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)As a teenager. I didn't black up, but the main minstrel characters did, and my own father did as a musician up until just a few years before that.
Some of you older folks here who grew up in the South know what I'm talking about. We have seen into a different world.
lob1
(3,820 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I lived in Texas at the time.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)1962...teaching in Atlanta public schools...I grew up in the segregated South...many of my fellow teachers declared that they would never teach black kids...of course, they didn't call them black kids...
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Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)nxylas
(6,440 posts)The main reason the South is so solidly Republican is that the Democrats are seen as "the n****rs' party". Thankfully, things are changing even there, and white millennials are not inheriting those attitudes from their parents.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)There has been a recent attempt to have racists from the South merge with racists from the Southwest.
The result is you'll have some genius in Indiana flying a Confederate Flag and claiming the Mexican border is at the Ohio River.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)That was the time that the national SAT scores were the HIGHEST ever in history. (Since then they had declined so much that they had to be adjusted and "re-scored" several times.)
It was also the time that if you did anything like Bernie's sit-in at the University of Chicago, you were immediately ENDANGERING yourself at the hands of white racists. Bernie was FEARLESS.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)But a few years later, a black couple had moved into a house down the street from me. They had a couple of spiffy cars-- a Triumph, and an MG. One of the cars was parked on the street. One day as I was walking down that street, I saw that one of the cars had a plastic sheet covering the windshield. I learned later that some idiot had thrown a brick through the windshield. The couple moved away soon after that.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)Bernie's lucky some white supremacist didn't take his head off. It took a tremendous amount of courage to demonstrate in the face of such anger and hate. I have great respect for Bernie and everyone else who faced that danger.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)But there is a VAST difference between what Bernie and Hillary were doing during that time.
Bernie was standing against the powers that be, while Hillary was tucked safely within their protection and fighting for their continued domination.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Meanwhile, Clinton was palling around with her Republican friends.
madokie
(51,076 posts)if you stood up for the AA you were more than likely rode out of town on a rail, shortly after being tarred and feathered. I'm not kidding when I state this either. Hell at this one place I worked at the owner wouldn't even sell gas to a black person, use his bathroom or drink his water was out of the question and when he told them to move on he did it with as much bile as his ass could cough up. It was ugly to say the least.
Yes what Bernie did was brave, not to mention appreciated by those of us who knew better
olddots
(10,237 posts)n.t.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)with the family on vacation, and I saw poverty just from the roadway that I never imagined existed in America. I came from a blue-collar middle class neighborhood and was in the city of Baltimore on a regular basis, I went alone on the bus to pretty much every area of it (everywhere the bus went), and also was out in the boonies quite often as grandparents lived there... but I never saw anything like what the South was like then.
At first on the road trip, somewhere in Virginia, someone said something like, "wow, did you see that shack falling down over there with people actually living in it?!"... and then I gradually realized that this was not an unusual sight at all but the norm, as we saw the same thing time after time, after time, after time, for hundreds of miles -- pretty much the rest of the way to Miami ouside of the city areas, which weren't great either.
This was widespread poverty, on a scale and severity I had no idea was going on. The Southeast was nothing like the Northeast. I didn't understand everything about it, but it was clear to me after that, there were (at least) two different Americas... and not just to the level I had seen in the city and rural areas at home.
That was also the first time I saw facilities marked "white" and "colored". It may have existed somewhere at home, but I had never seen it before. I thought it was outrageously stupid.
The South scared me in 1962. I was shocked by it, in general.
I was too young to go that far alone to the March on Washington, but I was an avid news junkie even then, and it was covered live for hours on the local tv which I was glued to, beginning to end. Quite a bit of that video is now on Youtube, which I have watched numerous times, I still find it fascinating. (For one thing I'm always struck by how awfully young Bob Dylan and Joan Baez were, singing there.) More lawmakers were there than I remembered at the time, and so was Burt Lancaster among others whom I had forgotten too.
The first big racial "incident" I remember in the general area where I lived, was the desegration of Glenn Echo amusement park and the Buddy Deane show (depicted in Hairspray), but as I remember it that was a while after 1962-63. After the March there was so much action in the 60s the incidents began to run together in a blur. When I was in high school I'll never forget dozens of cities all over America burning down at the same time, and martial law in all those places. The 60s were no walk in the park.
I'm duly impressed by what Sen. Sanders and Danny Lyon (the photographer) and others like them, 5 to 10 years older than me, were doing in the early 60s. And no, as said in posts above, it was not the norm for white people then at all (putting it mildly, that came later), it was sticking one's neck out pretty darn far.
I'm pretty disgusted by those in the same movement then and since then who can't even acknowledge their contribution, and by those who benefit now from their actions then and since then, who can't even feel a tiny "thank you" in their hearts. It just goes to show the vast difference in people on the INSIDE -- that some are so big and some are so small -- and that's what matters to me.
https://dektol.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/john-lewis-bernie-sanders-what-is-the-truth/
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You should make that into an op, thank you for sharing your memories and for giving credit where credit is due.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)BMUS
I appreciate the thought, but my posts tend to sink like rocks.
Donkees
(31,417 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It reminded me of how far we've come and who's responsible for the progress, it took courageous men and women of all races to change course. We're still a long way from equality and justice for all but it's good to stop occasionally to thank those who fought so hard to get us here.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)"Everybody's just waiting to hear from the one
Who can give them the answers
And lead them back to that place in the warmth of the sun
Where sweet childhood still dances
Who'll come along
And hold out that strong and gentle father's hand?
Long ago I heard someone say something 'bout Everyman"
-Jackson Browne
Love your user name
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)I remember that, too. I grew up in DC.
You're so right sbout the 1960s... what started out with such promise with the election of JFK ended in such tragedy and turmoil with the assassinations of MLK and RFK in 1968, the cities in flames after MLK's death*, the escalation of the war against Vietnam, and the police brutality (police riot) at the Chicago Democratic convention in 1968...
So much happened
* I vividly remember seeing my beloved DC in flames from the windows in our attic. Truly scary. And then came the curfew and martial law in the nation's capitol
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)on a trip from Minnesota to Florida to visit relatives when I was about 11 or 12 - it would have been 1960-ish. One of the things I remember most vividly from that trip was that the water fountains and rest rooms were marked "white" and "colored," which I found shocking and puzzling, and I just didn't understand why they would do that. I vaguely remember my parents telling me people in the south were very prejudiced, but I still didn't really get it - it was weird and disturbing. And I also remember how shabby and run-down and poor so many of the houses looked. It was like driving through a scary foreign country, completely unlike what I was used to in Minnesota, until we got to a "nice" tourist area in Florida. I was probably too young at that point to get what was going on, but later in the '60s when the civil rights movement started hitting the national news I remembered that trip through the South and I started to get it. Of course there was widespread discrimination in the North as well (still is, unfortunately), but seeing it so starkly and in-your-face on that trip through the South was an eye-opener.
senseandsensibility
(17,064 posts)Please consider starting your own thread with this. Also, thanks for adding to mine. Your memories are stirring in so many ways.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Lyon and others are such valuable documents of that time. Photos and films and testimonies are our means of memory and those who had the foresight, talent and courage to leave such documents for future generations deserve our thanks and respect.
Photo by Danny Lyon: John Lewis in Cairo and other photos
http://www.mocp.org/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=maker&s=Lyon%2C+Danny&record=81
Book - Memories of the Southern Civil Rights Movement byDanny Lyon
http://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&ALID=2K7O3R3GV0SJ
For comparison and contrast, here is a link to a page of photos of the intensely dapper Jonathan Capehart, his courage, his foresight to boldly attend events and smile for red carpet cameras......
https://www.google.com/search?q=jonathan+capehart&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEy5KUqvfKAhUW8mMKHdyyChMQ_AUICSgD&biw=1280&bih=611
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)I remember the first time I saw my father cry a few years later when MLK was murdered. I remember being confined to the house during the Watts riots, even though we lived in Compton. I remember the all-white Compton police force patrolling our neighborhood with shotguns hanging out the window. I remember calling them pigs, which is exactly what the were to us. I remember going to the free breakfasts provided by the Black Panthers. I remember reading the Nation of Islam newspapers...and reading Malcolm X. I remember when we called each other brother and sister. I am thankful for all those memories. And I am thankful for all the brave souls who confronted America's ugly and violent tradition of white supremacy. So many people lost their lives in that battle, and anyone who participated could have also. It is embarrassing to see some black people downplay what partcipation meant...by anyone.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)imagine 1962 Chicago.
Decades of torture.
Torture experts from Chicago police recruited for Iraq.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)and you are absolutely right. Standing up for Civil Rights meant risks to body, family, home... everything.
John Grisham's book/movie A Time to Kill showed what it was like for Blacks and Whites alike, but I think that as an analogy to Bernie, Jake's character depicted what could happen: the internal turmoil, the questioning and shunning by family and friends when challenging the status quo, the threats, the violence.
There were lots of brave souls, both black and white in 1962 and Bernie was one of them. He worked for equality and justice when many people might have tacitly agreed but been too fearful to act. With time 1963, 1964, more people of all colors joined the movement, but in 1962, it took real guts
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)And attending a Unitarian Church with my mother and my grandparents. I remember they all were pretty involved in the movement. They were called communists and other such things. But I remember that they always knew they were doing the right thing. I also remember them taking me to see Pete Seager around that time. None of our neighbors were very friendly to my family.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Autumn
(45,106 posts)We moved to Colorado in 63. I've been back there 3 times for family funerals , the last one 20 years ago. Thank god that's done with I have no reason to ever go back.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I have vague memories of '62, but very vivid memories of just a few years later and how hard the establishment fought to "keep the colored in their place." Few whites had the backbone to stand up to systematic and organized racism. I'm proud that I support one of those brave few for President, Bernie Sanders.
And what was Hillary Rodham doing at that time? What was Barry Goldwater's position on racial equality?
Inquiring minds want to know.
senseandsensibility
(17,064 posts)I can remember the late 60's, and through a very young white child's eyes. What I remember is being very thankful that I was white, and horrified by what was happening to Black people.