2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton "We must bring them to heel!"
If there is not already a textbook case of racist dog-whistles, I nominate this.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)bring-to-heel
Verb
(idiomatic) To compel someone to obey; to force someone into a submissive condition.
(idiomatic) To cause to act in a disciplined manner.
Origin
From the command to make a dog closely follow its master.
http://www.yourdictionary.com/bring-to-heel
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)a beagle bugle maybe?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Thanks for posting.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)How the fuck do you develop such an ability to rationalize away things that you can pretend this doesn't matter?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It's up to us. I posted it on FB.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)I guess "bring them to heel" is okay for some people to say. I feel like I need a shower now myself.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)It blows my fucking mind that a black person could accept that.
Cats just in space
(11 posts)But lucky for Hilary she has the media in her pocket so they will never see it.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)they live in, were not considered children by their victims.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)it that way. They wanted relief from drive by shootings, robberies, car jackings, burglaries, witness intimidation and drug dealing on every other corner.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Okay, I'm glad you're on record that you don't think that comment has any racist overtones.
oasis
(49,389 posts)Any "racist overtones" you find in any part of what I wrote, would only be in your mind.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)How can you not be ashamed of having the worst incarceration rate in the world? It is shameful.
oasis
(49,389 posts)time in Los Angeles and other urban American cities. The crack cocaine epedemic threw a whole generation of youngsters into a culture of criminality.
Webb and Waters tried to uncover what they believed to be a government conspiracy to disrupt the emerging affluence of the AA community.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Also on DU that very same Crime Bill has been hung around Bernie's neck because he also voted for it but with a whole different set of stated reasons and rhetoric against the bullshit in the bill.
That bill tied to Bernie, examples:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026757168
And here it is used to go after Biden:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251560676
The Crime Bill happened in 1994 while Gary Webb's 'Dark Alliance' series of stories did not publish until 1996.
Maxine was one of the few Democrats to oppose the Crime Bill, she was also among the 1/3 of the Black Caucus that voted against the bill which was supported by 2/3 including the entire leadership of the caucus.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Prohibition threw an entire generation into crime.
That, and the fact that the cocaine that was flooding the streets in AA communities were mostly imported by CIA in the 80's with the blood money from Iran. Ever heard of the Iran-Contra scandal?
What the Clintons did was merely facilitating the criminal war on drugs. Which has a long and proud tradition rooted in racism and social control.
Conspiracy?
No!
Vested interests merging with power?
Definitely!
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)How in living fuck can any black person support the Clintons after that?
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Crack is merely cocaine in smoking form and less harmful actually.
Still the 100-1 sentencing.
Why? Cocaine is more expensive! And is in wide spread use among Wall Street speculators...
Off course Hillary didn't have any racial undertones during the interview. We are just deluded Hillary haters who wants to lump her with...who?
I think I need to roll a joint and lie down....
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)cutting programs to help the comminity such as education, healthcare..Loss of job opportunities due to outsourcing...etc...
I guess Hillary supporters have had the finger on the pulse on the African American community that the Clinton's have disenfranchised since the 90s?`
These "superpredators" are also a result of Reagan's drug was in which the Clintons continued...
But I guess that racist dogwhistles are OK as long as they are played by Hillary, eh?
Or let me ask in a different way, what has the Clintons done for the AA community the last 20 years?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)which she did not. Crime Bill came two full years before the Gary Webb stories that poster is citing as a motivator for the bill.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Perhaps someone doesn't like my line of questions?
oasis
(49,389 posts)a constant barrage of manufactured bull.. This is my final kick for this thread. See ya.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Not interested in a constructive debate...Only throw out old memes...Insisting on living in a bubble..
As if ending the drug war wouldn't solve problem and replaced your "urgent remedy" meme..
Good luck in your drug war! The refugees from them is knocking on the door!
oasis
(49,389 posts)government conspiracy existed which allowed a steady flow of drugs to enter South Central L.A. I did NOT say anything about a fucking crime bill on any posts on this thread.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)if there were no prohibtion, there would be jobs, and education equal to the Ivy League schools?
But by all means..,.
Please procede if you think it's all about "their culture"....
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)I was just in a discussion about this with several other black people yesterday.
moriah
(8,311 posts)...... showed that while there were black gang members here (mostly in the downtown/eastern areas of the city) but also many white gang members in poorer white areas of the still very segregated city (they were mostly in the southwest part of the city). Of course, since I lived there then I didn't need anyone to tell me that.
In the documentary, truthfully, they acted like poseurs and didn't seem dangerous -- but downtown wasn't the only area of the city with drive bys then, either.
Call it racist if you/others here want -- there's no doubt that members of privileged classes can't always see the impact, and I am a white chick so I am not about to tell black people how to think or what to feel about such statements (and I don't know your ethnicity).
But I hate that not only M$M but TYT and other alternative news/blogs seem intent on trying to shove demographic crap down our throats -- it's like they deliberately want to divide us. I would rather not here about how so and so is polling with a certain demographic, and instead let people of whatever demographics make their own decisions about how THEY feel and who THEY want to win the primary. It also suggests a certain amount of dehumanization -- notice that it's like they box up an entire voting block and don't even add "people" to it most of the time.
I'd rather let people make their own choices -- as a white person, no way am I going to say anything negative against heroes of the civil rights movement, but to paraphrase South Park, "John Lewis isn't the emperor of black people", either.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)that criticism. Also, Crime Bill related gang rhetoric is about African American and Latino youth, both sets.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)for long awaited relief from rampant criminality, they didn't want to hear a lecture about the ills of society. They wanted action.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)real solutions? I don't and I never will.
oasis
(49,389 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)better paying jobs, free healthcare, free childcare, free day care, help for parents that want it, free summer camps, nicer parks, much more subsidized housing, increase in the amount and eligibility of food stamps and a guaranteed minimum income. Things like that.
oasis
(49,389 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)Check out the late journalist, Gary Webb when you get a chance.
Peace.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Sleep well.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)There was no doubt, a problem. The solution was immoral.
Thanks for standing your ground. I agree with your solution. The world would be a better place.
We lost that opportunity for change but today we have a new one and I'm voting for him.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)A most generous gift.
We'll do the same for you.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)You're the only one with the guts to have tried.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Because the money that could have been spent on all those things was spent on PRISONS!! Under Bill Clinton's administration.
All those youth were food for the giant maw of the prison industrial complex. Chewed up for profits, with those who make money off the system donating straight back to the politicians.
All the money for prisons was diverted from schools, parks, programs, etc.
Open your eyes.
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Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)earthshine
(1,642 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)NO More Clintons!
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)saying "La,la,la,la, Party loyalty! Vagina! It's her turn! Vote Blue or else! Yay team Blue, would you rather have TRUMP???!!"
It's never about the issues with them.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)"If any Bernie supporters makes an OP about Hillary's history of racist attacks, DO NOT RESPOND. Doing so will only make it worse. Let it sink or we will look defensive! Let's not be like those stupid Sanders supporters who pissed off POC by sounding defensive! If you need to vent, take it to our other website where we can call Bernie a "senile old fool".
Even better, start a thread about how Bernie is having trouble with black people. Try to mention how Cornel West insulted our first Black president and refer them to the AA Forum which is stacked with Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters who are Black tend to avoid as a result."
Lorien
(31,935 posts)if they can't defend her record against traditional liberal Democrats, how will they manage against the fascist wing of the GOP?
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)That will do anything to win, anything. Sad.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)It is like not just racist, it is old school racist.
amborin
(16,631 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)the choices to do everything 'right'. You'd think any mother would consider every child's situation before pushing for this kind of inhumane treatment. I don't get her.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And when it does happen to their kids, they can usually bail them out.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)No Hillary. No How. No Way.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)It is not an accident.
It is reality punching you in the face and saying "Wake up!"
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Well worth the read!
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/
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Despite claims that radical changes in crime and welfare policy were driven by a desire to end big government and save taxpayer dollars, the reality is that the Clinton administration didnt reduce the amount of money devoted to the management of the urban poor; it changed what the funds would be used for. Billions of dollars were slashed from public-housing and child-welfare budgets and transferred to the mass-incarceration machine. By 1996, the penal budget was twice the amount that had been allocated to food stamps. During Clintons tenure, funding for public housing was slashed by $17 billion (a reduction of 61 percent), while funding for corrections was boosted by $19 billion (an increase of 171 percent), according to sociologist Loïc Wacquant effectively making the construction of prisons the nations main housing program for the urban poor.
It is difficult to overstate the damage thats been done. Generations have been lost to the prison system; countless families have been torn apart or rendered homeless; and a school-to-prison pipeline has been born that shuttles young people from their decrepit, underfunded schools to brand-new high-tech prisons.
It didnt have to be like this. As a nation, we had a choice. Rather than spending billions of dollars constructing a vast new penal system, those billions could have been spent putting young people to work in inner-city communities and investing in their schools so they might have some hope of making the transition from an industrial to a service-based economy. Constructive interventions would have been good not only for African Americans trapped in ghettos, but for blue-collar workers of all colors. At the very least, Democrats could have fought to prevent the further destruction of black communities rather than ratcheting up the wars declared on them.
Of course, it can be said that its unfair to criticize the Clintons for punishing black people so harshly, given that many black people were on board with the get tough movement too. It is absolutely true that black communities back then were in a state of crisis, and that many black activists and politicians were desperate to get violent offenders off the streets. What is often missed, however, is that most of those black activists and politicians werent asking only for toughness. They were also demanding investment in their schools, better housing, jobs programs for young people, economic-stimulus packages, drug treatment on demand, and better access to healthcare. In the end, they wound up with police and prisons. To say that this was what black people wanted is misleading at best.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)I hope my friends read it. I joined the green party because of Clinton.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Just when I thought I couldn't be shocked by anything they do - comes this story.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)As for Poc, it amazes me (especially the way she brought racism into the'08 primary), how they can forget such things. No group is monolithic and I don't belong to any group being multi-racial, but some likely are unaware of the racism (dog whistles are meant for dogs only to hear, maybe only the intended as Hillary would say "workers, hard working white workers". heard the racial attacks for what they were.
Others, maybe simply like many hard working impoverished people (off all races) are low information voters just too damn busy working two to three jobs to survive to follow and realize what is/was going on in the political world, the tough on crime targeted towards Poc for instance (at the time, the white people using drugs as a substitute for alcohol to get high preferred powder cocaine, while in black neighborhoods crack was the available recreational drug equivalent, how many low information voters know the Clinton's pushed for sentencing that was 100 times harsher on penalties only on crack, intentionally targeting black people with the disparity of lengths of convictions.
the individuals too busy working to survive likely weren't following how welfare reform under Clinton was following the code words that targeted PoC as "welfare queens that were lazy and scamming hard working whites in the eyes and out of the mouths of Gingrich and Clinton.
In the case of other individuals perhaps they simply will forgive anything a Woman does if it means defeating a man in anything, including a presidential election.
Also one must take into account the deliberate and oft repeated big lies that Clinton operatives from David Brock all the way down to paid internet trollers, I have heard specific talking points brought up by trained to believe individuals that the Clinton's have always been there for the black community and Sanders represents the white male racist stereotype, when such individuals are asked politely to explain what exactly the Clinton's have done to help Poc, they can never answer, the simple reason could be that such items were never supplied by those selling and constantly repeated the lies, that is not to say that those constantly being misinformed do not believe what they repeat, it simply means that repeated enough, using the same words, most people can be conditioned to believe what is untrue is actually true.
continuing with the no block of voters is monolithic theme, some simply don't care about the racism, or the damage done to the larger black community because they are affluent and believe the Clinton's will keep them that way, not caring about damage to others, there is a very conservative right wing of the party and of course they come in all races and genders. Such conservatives believe above all else, "I got mine, fuck you".
Finally there are those that are politicians not only beholding to a system of money distribution that the Clinton's have a great deal of control over, but who also worry about political payback by a vengeful Clinton, they are known to keep track of "enemies" and like to do things to pay back those that cross them in any way, a tactic they use so that fear of not helping or supporting them will have consequences.
There are likely also those (I think this the smallest group) that are self loathing uncle Ruckess types.
Think of Poc as individuals with minds of their own, each with their own reasons and reasoning if you want to try to make sense of this apparent contradiction between support earned and support given by Poc.
There is a reason that there is a change of attitude towards the Clinton's held by many younger Poc, they are not low information and less susceptible to the big lies and talking points because they are active online and not so easily duped as a 60 year old that didn't pay attention in the nineties because they were too busy surviving to know where the policies were coming from, they only knew that white privilege existed and had been told that Clinton's were their friends and allies, these same people were still too busy or not hearing the dog whistles meant for white ears to notice such things in '08, remember, at first they supported Clinton over Obama, a real Poc, until they heard his words and believed in him.
If only the programmed and misled low information white people would wake up, the Republicans would be toast and the racial bombs that Trump throws out would fall on deaf ears.
Whites suffer the same problem as blacks do, just they follow different people that are against them, instead of the Clinton's it is often a Republican or a Trump fucking them over while they cheer them on and give them their support while putting fingers in ears to the truth
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)BlueStateLib
(937 posts)and the fact that Rector was mentally disabled without recognizing that the guy became so through his own actions
polly7
(20,582 posts)streets and locked up for the rest of his life? It doesn't matter how he became so mentally disabled! He was no longer the person who killed, he had no ability to kill again. It's like the state murdered a child with the way he was thinking towards the end. I think it was horrible.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)There is a special place in hell for people like that
Cats just in space
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(10,786 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)It's HER TURN !
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Conservatives and racists scumbags described Mike Brown as having superhuman strength
This notion that Black people have this mythical superhuman gene and black people need to be controlled, told what to do and be is something deeply rooted in racism
Hillary Clinton use of "super predator "
Predators (young black males) = lurking waiting to attack prey ( notion that young black males are not even human to her but have animal-like qualities
Heel( harsh punishment, jail, boot camp, death penalty) = predators needing to be controlled , and removed from "civil society"
How can I as Black man vote for someone that once describe me and peers like this ?
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)"Young black men are scary, threatening animals and I will bring the boot down on them".
Same bullshit tough talk that she uses for foreign policy.
It's all about exploitation of fear. Not any different in quality than Republican chickenhawking (but with a tangy racist twist!)
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Don't send the nation's highest increasing prison population the message to "HEEL" .
How disgusting is THIS DOG WHISTLING?
Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)Knowing the difference between people and dogs is what makes you not a fascist!
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Plain and simple
Bucky
(54,027 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)/trash thread
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)The Clintons do not deserve anywhere near unanimous support from any demographic.