2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Death of Scalia Makes It Absolutely Crucial That the Dems Nominate Clinton/Castro!
Because if the GOP thinks that it can trick us into dumping Clinton in favor of someone who will be easier to beat in the fall, 1) the Senate will refuse to allow Obama to choose a replacement justice and 2) the GOP will suddenly begin raking in tons of money from special interests who needed Scalia to protect their business interests.
On the other hand, if Clinton is the nominee, then Democratic victory will be inevitable---at which point, it will do the Senate no good to stall on the Obama nominee and the GOP will not be able to offer its Citizens United billionaire donors jack shit for their money.
The writing is on the wall. Why would anyone want to throw out a proven Democrat, a defender of women, children and the oppressed, a hard worker with the spine and experience to stand up to the GOP Congress for a long shot???
Get real, folks. Get it together. Vote Clinton/Castro!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Hillary somehow ... slither into the nomination. Her nomination will boost Republican voter participation ABSOLUTELY THROUGH THE ROOF as people come out in droves to... VOTE AGAINST HER!
Bernie WILL WIN The General ... going away! People are DEMANDING BIG CHANGE that has a perceived GREATER probability of actually enhancing THEIR life! Hillary is a KNOWN quantity and regarded by the larger public as a representative of the STATUS QUO and most assuredly NOT change...
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)when Obama is told he can't. She has so many holes in her from the self inflicted wounds she gave herself that she has nothing.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)and believe that electing Bernie Sanders is America's best chance for success and prosperity for all.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)a mostly false.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Bernie is my first choice
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Even if she manages to right her capsizing campaign and get the nomination, she'll lise in the General Election. No one is excited to vote for her, but a great many are excited to vote against her.
Broward
(1,976 posts)Among other things, she would also likely depress turnout. We can't risk our future on such a flawed candidate.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)Uh... check out the polls... (and no, I'm not going to post them here again). Bernie beats Hillary against the Republicans so if you're that concerned about this SCOTUS nomination, I suggest that you get behind Bernie.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)He has the energy and excitement to GOTV. He'll draw in Independents and bring Reagan Democrats back to the party.
If Hillary is the nominee we will lose.
jfern
(5,204 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)to see any polls in the past few months.
To bring you up to speed, the current ones all show Bernie doing better, in some cases much better, in the general election against any possible Republican.
And if some people think that the epithet "Socialist" would doom Bernie Sanders, just think what a VP choice named "Castro" would do to a Hillary campaign.
xloadiex
(628 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)First of all it will be easier for Bernie Sanders to beat any republican than for Clinton.
Secondly, having Clinton as an opponent will result in tons of donations from Americans who hate the Clintons.
No more business as usual. Clinton is same old same old.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)...a SC justice through the nomination process before election day.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)but I really fail to see how someone with a 50%+ "unfavorable" rating (and net favorability of -8, along with a rating of "untrustworthy" hovering around 60% in national polling) is the most electable candidate, or an "inevitable" winner. Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. I remember Hillary being inevitable before. That didn't turn out very well. And she doesn't seem to've learned from the experience.
Autumn
(45,105 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)corporatist hack.
Bernie is the only one who will do.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)this post is invalid. Also, as a Latino, I will find picking someone like Castro patronizing. There are better candidates for Veep, like Cory Booker (who would have solid, new jersey trained chops, and also possibly bring in more AAs.)
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)castro nothing to sneeze at as top housing czar....
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Sorry.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Corporations already have too much influence.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Easy mistake.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)believe she can win a general election. She is a lackluster candidate who changes position so much that it's difficult to even know what she stands for - her platform seems to be driven more by polls and focus groups than what is inside her. In my opinion she lacks leadership because you can see even now how her campaign is imploding, and you can also see from 08 how Clinton played favorites, allowed her people to form factions and then did nothing when they fought each other to her detriment.
In addition, Clinton's favorability ratings range from mostly negative with independent voters to teeth gnashing hatred with Republicans.
Again, I do not believe Clinton can win the general.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts):
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Unless you want to lose the general.
Hun Joro
(666 posts)SamKnause
(13,107 posts)The Republicans and The Tea Party HATE Bill Clinton.
The Republicans and The Tea Party DESPISE Hillary Clinton.
This country is sick of the Bush family.
This country is sick of the Clinton family.
This country is sick of the wealthy controlling, the media, the government,
the economy, and the justice system.
This country is sick of white collar criminals getting fined, with no criminal
record, instead of being jailed.
Hillary has tried to co-opt Bernie's ideas and policies.
It will not work.
She is not sincere.
She is not trustworthy.
She has very poor judgment.
This country NEEDS Bernie.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)erasing his last year of presidency.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)he's ahead in pledged delegates, tied in NV, has developed a better ground game in SC, and is now within the MOE in national polls. Best of all, he does better against the GOP.
You guys keep underestimating Bernie. You'd think you'd learn...eventually.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)It is a unicorn or nothing strategy.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Better go with Sanders.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Allow me to reiterate your point, if I may, Blue .
NO.
Bernie is who we need making such decisions.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)He's the only person out of the groups on either side that I trust to make a measured, qualified decision.