Is it 1932 all over again, with Sanders signalling epochal shift of public?

[JackRiddler]

I say yes.

[msongs]

1. Obama is Herbert Hoover? and many on DU think Hillary has it in for Obama lol nt

[JackRiddler]

3. A historical parallel need not be 1:1.

Economically, Obama represents the same neoliberalism that has predominated since Thatcher and Reagan, yes - he's TPP, for example.

I don't worship individuals, but unfortunately we elect individuals rather than programs. Neoliberalism has been a 35-year disastrous trend in politics independent of the faces who play the leaders. One hopes Sanders represents a shift away from it.

[wildeyed]

2. Why?

Otherwise, who cares.

[JackRiddler]

4. This thread?

To point out that the choice of historical parallels is arbitrary.

[WillyT]

5. Yep...

[Hydra]

6. Yes, and the same need is there

Actually, it's worse now- climate change could be the doom of us all, and it was brought to us by the 1%.

They have to be removed from power if there is to be any chance for change.

[tokenlib]

7. The "new" economy is wreaking havoc, the time is coming..

We've lost too many good jobs, free trade blows, not everyone can be retrained, the new jobs suck...the time is coming..I hope it's here. If not now, it's coming and there will be a revolt....of some kind...

[HereSince1628]

8. No, it's not 1932. Signals of epochal shifts not withstanding

To me it feels more like the 1850s, one of the two parties is entering into it's death throes

[H2O Man]

9. Definite similarities exist.

No question about it.

[Nonhlanhla]

10. I think it is 2016

and this time poses its own challenges. It's not 1932, and it's not 1972. Bernie is not FDR and Obama is not Hoover. Bernie is not McGovern either, and Hillary is not Nixon.

We'll just have to do out best with today.

[JackRiddler]

11. Totally.

[Octafish]

12. We need a New New Dealer.

Bring a new Deck o' Ideas to tackle the same problems and gang from 1932.

[libdem4life]

13. It has the essence of a Tipping Point...there will be political blood in the streets

before it's over.

[Avalux]

14. Yes. Not quite 1932, but the epochal shift is happening.

As far as I'm concerned this is a very critical time in our country. We need Sanders in the White House.

[ucrdem]

15. More like 1992.

Dark-horse outsider gets 19%, Bush loses, and Clinton takes the prize.

[Recursion]

16. In 1932 FDR ran on lowering taxes and decreasing "burdensome regulations" (nt)

[JackRiddler]

17. I'm well aware.

But then it went a different way - and in 1936 he got an even higher vote total on a Keynesian, New Deal program.

Conventionally, 1932 is now seen as an epochal shift when Americans wanted something different than what they had been sold until then, and the New Deal coalition formed and dominated until the late 1960s. FDR was a timid campaigner in 1932, but Americans would have voted for his 1936 version just as overwhelmingly.

[wyldwolf]

18. opportunist without fixed views or real convictions... platform of vagueness... fiscal conservatism

http://books.google.com/books?id=z8wSCZG9O6AC&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406&dq=fdr+opportunist&source=bl&ots=uS-ItBAquz&sig=-g7THj75It4D9BiqplduDbcTr-o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=B4J2VLXvCs_ToASfiYDQAw&sqi=2&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=fdr%20opportunist&f=false

The exact opposite of Bernie Sanders.

[JackRiddler]

19. Let's look past the individuals...

Is this going to be a transformative election where prior results don't matter? Will it signal a new electoral majority in the U.S.?

I say yes!

Also, look up Lippmann.

[wyldwolf]

20. OK

Is this going to be a transformative election

No, 2008 was. 2016 will be about preserving and building on that, not tearing it down. And the Democratic party has a natural and growing electoral majority that has zero to do with Bernie Sanders who can't seem to connect with that electorate.

Also, look up Lippmann


I did.