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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:24 PM Feb 2016

Sanders says Clinton campaign is coming 'unraveled' by his progress

By CATHERINE LUCEY and MICHELLE RINDELS Associated Press

RENO, Nev.

Bernie Sanders is pronouncing himself startled by the ferocity of Hillary Clinton's attempts to take him down, saying she's coming "unraveled" by his progress in the Democratic presidential campaign.
The Vermont senator used unusually blunt words to express frustration with his opponent when he spoke to reporters Saturday before flying to Colorado for a Democratic dinner at which both were scheduled to appear.


Sanders has only fitfully gone back at Clinton when she's gone after him, but he suggested Saturday that his patience is wearing thin.

"This is obviously my first national campaign," Sanders said, "but I am really stunned by some of the attacks we are getting from Secretary Clinton. Clearly they have been unraveled by the results in Iowa, by our victory in New Hampshire and the progress we are making all over this country."

And on foreign policy, he said, "I do get a little bit tired of being lectured by the Clinton people." He raised again her Senate vote in favor of invading Iraq and said that on the most important foreign policy issue in modern times, "I voted the right way, she voted the wrong way."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article60246816.html

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Sanders says Clinton campaign is coming 'unraveled' by his progress (Original Post) pangaia Feb 2016 OP
Rookie mistake by Sanders BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #1
But it shakes her donors and it seems she is starting to have money issues. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #4
Stop hitting me...sounds like he's unraveling BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #21
Are you kidding? "SHAME ON YOU, BARACK OBAMA!!" TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #29
Yeah, that was Ohio BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #31
You...do realize she lost the election...right? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #35
What I realize is it's way too early to say she and/or her campaign BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #42
I assume it's meant to call attention to the kitchen sink/Brock attacks and try to head them off. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #44
Well Brock IS an asshole BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #45
He did, at the end of the debate--he alluded to her running against Obama. It doesn't hurt TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #46
Yes, Brock is an asshole Iwillnevergiveup Feb 2016 #119
I'm pretty sure I've had enough of this cynical nonsense Trajan Feb 2016 #127
I think its hilarious how many people don't get it that the roguevalley Feb 2016 #43
+5. Those times I remember quite well. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #114
If Bernie ever went negative using Hillary's own soundbites, she would be destroyed. dinkytron Feb 2016 #82
There wouldn't be anything negative about that at all. bvf Feb 2016 #108
TWIM thats what i meant. Thanks. dinkytron Feb 2016 #137
You claimed she doesn't unravel, yet she did. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #38
So incumbent President Clinton is following her winning 2008 formula? Cool. merrily Feb 2016 #79
So Hillary's assassination remark about Obama in 2008 was not unraveling? nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #138
?!? What was that? Matariki Feb 2016 #139
I'm on my iPad, so search GDP or YouTube for the commentary by Keith O. PonyUp Feb 2016 #140
Thanks. Wow. Matariki Feb 2016 #141
Reminds me. I kind of miss Keith Olbermann. Matariki Feb 2016 #142
Oh, I remember that shrill shilling! Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #131
Stop hitting me? WTF are you talking about? Stop lying maybe. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #36
She was crying in NH Geronimoe Feb 2016 #59
2008 worked out SO well against that rookie she campaigned against.... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #96
That's all I know about her...she's her own worst enemy. nt artislife Feb 2016 #111
A Little Desperation Is Becoming Apparent... Hit Her With The NO FLY ZONE! Connect present day CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #98
It's not meant to be appealing. I see it as goading. morningfog Feb 2016 #6
YUP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pangaia Feb 2016 #10
longshot socialist mayor, congressman, senator 6chars Feb 2016 #39
I did for a while, way back in the beginning. pangaia Feb 2016 #40
Remedial terminology is called for here... geologic Feb 2016 #72
or gun-friendly Dem-bashing Independent helped by GOP superpacs ucrdem Feb 2016 #97
Gun friendly? You mean Annie Oakley? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #101
even with that turkey that you know will fold . . . ucrdem Feb 2016 #109
This one or the 2016 version? It's hard to keep track of the flip flops. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #110
That show closed eight years ago. ucrdem Feb 2016 #112
She flip flopped you mean? From a mighty duck hunter to whatever she is now? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #113
Pardon but your meme is starting to squeak. ucrdem Feb 2016 #115
What meme? Those are HER words, talk to Annie Oakley. Speaking of things that change in the south: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #116
When in Rome eh? ucrdem Feb 2016 #120
It certainly could be: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #121
If Hank didn't unravel her I don't see how Bernie could. ucrdem Feb 2016 #122
Why would Hank unravel her? She's his number one fan! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #123
Hank is 92. His advising days are over. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #124
Not according to Hillary bvar22 Feb 2016 #145
gun-friendly? bvar22 Feb 2016 #143
I don't think he is cocky or thin skinned. pangaia Feb 2016 #8
no cockiness, sounds more sad that she is karynnj Feb 2016 #11
he did not call Hillary "unraveling" grasswire Feb 2016 #16
Thanks. I just fixed it... pangaia Feb 2016 #20
Speaking of mistakes, touting your close friendship with a Republican KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #24
Tone deafness of the highest order BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #48
Veteran mistake by Clinton hopeforchange2008 Feb 2016 #60
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Feb 2016 #64
How many political campaigns have you won? kristopher Feb 2016 #71
I don't like another combination: Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #73
That was my knee jerk, too. Then I remembered how far he's come and how fast, despite every attempt merrily Feb 2016 #76
Wow, why are you talking about Hillary like that? dorkzilla Feb 2016 #84
Neither is being a 2 time loser eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #87
really?? I prefer this - the realistic human being who speaks his mind to dana_b Feb 2016 #106
LOL...that describes Clinton perfectly nt noiretextatique Feb 2016 #135
no grasswire Feb 2016 #2
Hang on a sec... pangaia Feb 2016 #13
His wording is a bit sexist. Unraveling?? boston bean Feb 2016 #3
you can delete your post now grasswire Feb 2016 #5
The campaign is unraveling, not sexist one bit. morningfog Feb 2016 #7
I am a woman Carolina Feb 2016 #14
I AM A WOMAN! boston bean Feb 2016 #15
Whatever Carolina Feb 2016 #23
I changed the TITLE. pangaia Feb 2016 #25
Thank you. Maybe people could cut me some slack. I don't expect it though. boston bean Feb 2016 #27
Not a bit. You go out of your way to distort posts. morningfog Feb 2016 #32
So nice. You are a really good person. boston bean Feb 2016 #41
Thank you. I know. morningfog Feb 2016 #56
You would. boston bean Feb 2016 #57
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #54
Yup. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #77
The Yankees came unravelled in the 2004 ALCS. pangaia Feb 2016 #33
omfg m-lekktor Feb 2016 #37
"they" - as in the campaign. cyberswede Feb 2016 #17
"sexist"? Oh. My. God. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #22
I know I laughed so hard I scared the cat!! m-lekktor Feb 2016 #30
Right? Do you remember when someone said calling hillary "chicken" was sexist? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #34
I missed that one! nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #47
I think saying anything negative about her is sexist. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #62
That does seem to be the fallback, shades of 2008. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #65
Exactly. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #67
Yep, turns it into a big joke. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #69
In some other thread we were discussing the 1960's. pangaia Feb 2016 #83
My username at work is "Tool chick". beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #86
BOOBS2016? I missed that. Where Where Where..??? pangaia Feb 2016 #93
You did??? It was hilarious - still is, here you go: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #94
OMG! I'm in stitches !! :>))))))))) pangaia Feb 2016 #105
Why thank you!!! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #107
He said THEY, not SHE TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #28
Yup. Everything is sexist! Bonobo Feb 2016 #49
What nonsense. senz Feb 2016 #51
He's alittle thinned skinned and at times it shows FloridaBlues Feb 2016 #53
Groan - this gets so old. 840high Feb 2016 #70
Yep,"unraveling" is a sexist word... geologic Feb 2016 #74
How is the the word "unraveling" the least bit connotative of gender? Gore1FL Feb 2016 #75
Keeping posting like that. It increases your crediblity and really does a lot of good for women. merrily Feb 2016 #81
Really?! You should be the new StretchWoman noiretextatique Feb 2016 #89
oh brother nt noiretextatique Feb 2016 #136
she certainly is; she seemed destabilized in Iowa and amborin Feb 2016 #9
No doubt. Her campaign yet again looks like its held together with duct tape. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #12
Thank you for updating your OP title. cyberswede Feb 2016 #18
WHEW !!! I got wacked on that.. fortunately.. pangaia Feb 2016 #26
LOL n/t livetohike Feb 2016 #19
And, He's right! Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #50
He was being kind. senz Feb 2016 #52
I don't think her campaign's unraveling in the least. complain jane Feb 2016 #55
She done upshifted--when she shoudda downshifted... geologic Feb 2016 #78
She nneds an automatic transmission with AWD, pangaia Feb 2016 #88
she's almost worn out her turn signal... islandmkl Feb 2016 #125
I am getting a half dozen emails a day from Hillary erlewyne Feb 2016 #58
#ImNotKiddingMaddi !!! cyberswede Feb 2016 #68
LOL! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #103
Next up: Send me a goddamned penny! You can afford a goddamned penny! Divernan Feb 2016 #90
Am sending another 50$ plus 20% tip now. Akamai Feb 2016 #61
I think they never should have gone into attack mode.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #63
It's gotta be tough for Hillary. jalan48 Feb 2016 #66
Corp. speeches & Clinton Foundation corp. bribes will come to a screeching halt! Divernan Feb 2016 #95
LOL-I'm sure it will be total lovey dovey. jalan48 Feb 2016 #102
Anytime Hillary is ahead in the polls, she is coming unraveled. leftofcool Feb 2016 #80
Not only does he have better judgment on war decisions, but also on free trade like TPP as well... cascadiance Feb 2016 #91
I don't think Bernie reads DU pangaia Feb 2016 #92
Senator Sanders' Fluegelhorn Performance Goes Before Critics On Super Tuesday Vogon_Glory Feb 2016 #85
what happened to Hillary in the "mostly-white precincts"....were there some other precincts islandmkl Feb 2016 #126
Super Tuesday Is Coming. I Fail To See Why I Should Heed The Hype Vogon_Glory Feb 2016 #134
Luckily for Hillary ... nikto Feb 2016 #99
This thing ain't over yet. So let's not be premature on this ''unravling" issue. YOHABLO Feb 2016 #100
Well if picturegate insn't a sign of unraveling, I don't know what is. Avalux Feb 2016 #104
This is truly hysterical. George II Feb 2016 #117
Berns clearly has not seen the latest polls from South Carolina. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #128
Yes, I've never seen a campaign that is ahead by a 2-1 margin becoming "unraveled" George II Feb 2016 #129
It would defy all historical odds for Bernie to win a landslide in SC. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #130
But wait, this is just like 2008!!! George II Feb 2016 #132
The wheel is turning Horus T Light Feb 2016 #118
When the braid is turning out bad... you unravel and start over HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #133
Trying to paint Bernie as a racist has really backfired. Even Killer Mike feels the Bern! B Calm Feb 2016 #144
I look forward to when he decides to lose his cool. Gregorian Feb 2016 #146
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
4. But it shakes her donors and it seems she is starting to have money issues.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:27 PM
Feb 2016

It may be smarter than you think.



BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
21. Stop hitting me...sounds like he's unraveling
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:35 PM
Feb 2016

Look, I remember 2008. She's not unraveling. If there's one thing I think I've learned about her after 25 years it's that she doesn't unravel. Bernie I'm not so sure about.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
35. You...do realize she lost the election...right?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

Her attacks got more unhinged as time went on. It was a downward spiral.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
42. What I realize is it's way too early to say she and/or her campaign
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:47 PM
Feb 2016

is unraveling. Bernie hasn't made it to this point by posing. I'm really not seeing the upside.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
45. Well Brock IS an asshole
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

One of his surrogates should go after him.

Look, I'm surprised Bernie hasn't pointed out the hypocrisy of Hillary's full-on embrace of Obama, perhaps by gently pointing out that people say a lot of things when they're trying to win elections, witness what Hillary had to say about Obama the last time she was running for President. With me, otoh, what you see is what you get, etc. To me that would be a lot more effective than I'm winning/she's losing.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
46. He did, at the end of the debate--he alluded to her running against Obama. It doesn't hurt
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:57 PM
Feb 2016

to remind people that she didn't always think Obama was so effin' awesome.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
43. I think its hilarious how many people don't get it that the
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:48 PM
Feb 2016

pugs used to be afraid of US. We used to have bearings and we used them all the time. What you heard is democratic speech. The other way is bullshit. He's speaking like a dem. They will of course spin it that he's attacking her mental health. This is great. Its how dems used to talk back before money, 'experts', focus groups and other bullshit neutered everyone.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
108. There wouldn't be anything negative about that at all.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:05 AM
Feb 2016

All he need do is to let her keep accumulating the predictable flip-flops and "me-too"s, and to bring them up at appropriate times.

Again: Nothing negative about that. Nothing.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
38. You claimed she doesn't unravel, yet she did.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:45 PM
Feb 2016

You are wrong about her not unraveling. Yes it was after Ohio, that is besides the point.



 

PonyUp

(1,680 posts)
140. I'm on my iPad, so search GDP or YouTube for the commentary by Keith O.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:31 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not any good copy/pasting on iPad.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
131. Oh, I remember that shrill shilling!
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:30 AM
Feb 2016

You are right, Clinton's unraving is on full repeat now. She can't handle legitimate criticism, because too much unfair criticism has been flung at her by the right wing crazies.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
36. Stop hitting me? WTF are you talking about? Stop lying maybe.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

But none the less, Hillary is in trouble while Bernie was able to raise $7.2 million in a day and won New Hampshire by 22%.


https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/02/10/after-new-hampshire-loss-hillary-clinton-supporters-fret-over-campaign-that-seems-out-step-with-voter-concerns/awUrmJu6xIUWG95ESsUKrK/story.html


^snip^


After N.H., supporters fear Clinton is out of touch

CONCORD, N.H. — Hillary Clinton’s stinging 22-point loss in the New Hampshire Democratic primary prompted fretting Wednesday among the party elite, and raised the stakes for the caucus in Nevada.

Her backers worried that she is failing to meet the challenge of voters who want a total reboot of Washington politics.


“We got caught in a tsunami,” said Lou D’Allesandro, a New Hampshire state senator and a longtime Clinton ally. “The Clinton campaign never really grasped in totality the anger and the sentiment of the voters.”

Though Clinton expected to lose the first-in-the-
nation primary, the gaping margin was far beyond what most predicted and further legitimized Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders’ insurgent candidacy.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/us/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0


^snip^

After New Hampshire, Hillary Clinton Struggles to Find Her Footing


HOOKSETT, N.H. — After her unexpected victory in the New Hampshire primary in 2008, Hillary Clinton said she “found my own voice.” She left New Hampshire on Tuesday night, after a double-digit defeat, still searching for it.

Bernie Sanders’s nearly 22-point victory came after Mrs. Clinton’s advisers had worked hard to lower expectations, but privately, many people close to Mrs. Clinton, including her husband, believed the state would once again serve as a lifeline.

They had hoped that women and working-class voters, who had resuscitated Mrs. Clinton’s 2008 campaign and rescued Bill Clinton’s in 1992, would at least narrow the gap with Mr. Sanders. Instead, Mr. Sanders won among nearly every demographic, including women, young voters and those who make less than $50,000 a year. In the end, the only demographic Mrs. Clinton held onto from 2008 was voters over the age of 65.

The rout rocked the Clinton campaign. As the results rolled in, Mrs. Clinton’s advisers took a somber assessment of the exit polls, recognizing early missteps that had allowed an insurgent challenger to gain the momentum, and their failure to capture the imaginations of young voters — in particular, young women.




 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
59. She was crying in NH
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016

after Obama and John Edwards beat her. And then she was lying about taking sniper fire.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
96. 2008 worked out SO well against that rookie she campaigned against....
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:45 PM
Feb 2016

Right?

If you think that pointing out sleazy tactics is thin skinned, just listen to Hillary during the debates, making it all about how everybody (The republican attack machine) is so mean to her...

I think it's only fair to point out the derailment from the Hillary campaign when she cannot focus on the issue anymore, but goes after Bernie on a personal level, using her surrogates to attack Bernie's strong sides. This is a typical Karl Rove move.

I guess some Hillary supporters are fine with Karl Rove methods as long as Hillary is using them while expecting her opponent to play clean. If it was me, I'd be livid and may have done a mistake, leaving my principles and gone full dirty myself in Bernie's shoes. Luckily, he's a better man than I with tons of more patience I lack.
Comparing this to wrestling, it's like the heel is using dirty tricks behind the ref. and cry foul when the face hits back.

American politics: A mix pro-wrestling and a freakshow. But very entertaining.

"We came, we bombed, they drowned".....

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
98. A Little Desperation Is Becoming Apparent... Hit Her With The NO FLY ZONE! Connect present day
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

POOR JUDGEMENT WITH PAST ... POOR JUDGEMENT!!!! It Sticks!

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
6. It's not meant to be appealing. I see it as goading.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:27 PM
Feb 2016

The negative campaigning hurts Hillary more than him. He's asking her to keep it up.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
10. YUP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:31 PM
Feb 2016

One smart dude..

He's been around the track a few times, 'ole Bernie has.

Heh heh heh



ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
97. or gun-friendly Dem-bashing Independent helped by GOP superpacs
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

by any other name . . .
...............
GOP superpac running pro-Sanders anti-Clinton ads: http://www.americancrossroads.org/2016/01/chelsea-uses-clintonian-playbook-of-deception/

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
110. This one or the 2016 version? It's hard to keep track of the flip flops.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:11 AM
Feb 2016
Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns

Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).

"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt — and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747


Hillary Clinton goes bold on gun safety — but she sounded a different note in 2008

But Clinton hasn’t always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husband’s record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, “there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights” and the effort to reduce crime.

You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. “You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter,” she continued, in a dig at Obama’s remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often “cling” to cultural symbols like guns and religion.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/




Clinton's Hunting History

WAUSAU, WIS. -- At a campaign stop this afternoon, Hillary Clinton's focus was on the economy and health care but some in the crowd had other things on their minds. Clinton was asked to discuss gun control which prompted Clinton to talk about her days holding a rifle in the cold, shallow waters in backwoods Arkansas.

"I've hunted. My father taught me how to hunt. I went duck hunting in Arkansas. I remember standing in that cold water, so cold, at first light. I was with a bunch of my friends, all men. The sun's up, the ducks are flying and they are playing a trick on me. They said, 'we're not going to shoot, you shoot.' They wanted to embarrass me. The pressure was on. So I shot, and I shot a banded duck and they were surprised as I was," Clinton said drawing laughter from the crowd.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-hunting-history/



Let states & cities determine local gun laws

Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?

A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case you’re referring to is before the Supreme Court.

Q: But what do you support?

A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.

Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?

A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to] come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.

Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?

A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense.

Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm




beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
116. What meme? Those are HER words, talk to Annie Oakley. Speaking of things that change in the south:
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:22 AM
Feb 2016


Howdy, y'all!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
123. Why would Hank unravel her? She's his number one fan!
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:42 AM
Feb 2016

Such a strange thing to say about her close friend and trusted adviser.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
145. Not according to Hillary
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:40 PM
Feb 2016
"Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels."--- Hillary Clinton

http://reverbpress.com/politics/hillary-clinton-and-henry-kissinger-its-complicated/


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
143. gun-friendly?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 05:29 PM
Feb 2016


Oh wait.
Thats not President Obama; its Rappaport.
Rappaport appears to be comfortable and competent at handling guns.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
8. I don't think he is cocky or thin skinned.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:29 PM
Feb 2016

He is confident and sees all the ugliness in politics.

In fact. I think he knows just what he is doing in saying what he did.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
24. Speaking of mistakes, touting your close friendship with a Republican
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016

war criminal is bound to appeal to a DEMOCRATIC BASE. Something about that strikes me as UNHINGED.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
48. Tone deafness of the highest order
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

I agree. The mistake of someone who's been around too long, not a rookie.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
73. I don't like another combination:
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

1. Hillary: This is MINE! I'm ENTITLED to the Presidency.

2. Stop using Smear Campaigns against me Bernie! (But its OK for my surrogates to imply you're a communist, never participated in the Civil Rights Movement, and that your supporters aren't with me because they hate women)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
76. That was my knee jerk, too. Then I remembered how far he's come and how fast, despite every attempt
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

by media, the DNC and the Hillary campaign to make sure he gets nowhere. That's when I realize he and his campaign most likely know what they are doing.

Besides that, what he said is absolutely true.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
84. Wow, why are you talking about Hillary like that?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

I thought you supporter her? I know she's pulling the same rookie mistakes as '08 but Kissinger told her this is what she should do. And he's never wrong. Or at least that's what he told her.


dana_b

(11,546 posts)
106. really?? I prefer this - the realistic human being who speaks his mind to
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

someone who pretends nothing bothers him/her, blows things off, then has their underlings do the dirty attack work and acts all innocent later on.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
3. His wording is a bit sexist. Unraveling??
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

Like she is some emotionally unstable woman.

He is better than that. Or maybe not.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
14. I am a woman
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:32 PM
Feb 2016

and calling her unstable is not sexist if it's fitting. And I seriously think it is. HRC is becoming unstable because she is watching her assured coronation slip away despite the machinations of the DNC and DWS, all the big name/group endorsements, and the big money from Wall Street BFFs.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
23. Whatever
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016

My point is the such adjectives as unfitting, unraveling, etc. are NOT sexist when they are appropriate. And they are appropriate for HRC and her campaign.

You can unknot your knickers now

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
25. I changed the TITLE.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016

I had used the title in the article.
I missed the actual quote farther down in the body.

My error.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
32. Not a bit. You go out of your way to distort posts.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

You simply do not get the benefit of the doubt. Real what you sow.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
30. I know I laughed so hard I scared the cat!!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:41 PM
Feb 2016

Jesus christ already. I deleted about 3 responses that i knew would be hidden and rigthfully so.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
34. Right? Do you remember when someone said calling hillary "chicken" was sexist?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

This was almost as hilarious.


OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
62. I think saying anything negative about her is sexist.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

Right? At least that is the impression I get from some of her supporters.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
65. That does seem to be the fallback, shades of 2008.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:11 PM
Feb 2016

It does a disservice to women everywhere and even Hillary when they do this because it makes it easier to dismiss actual sexism when it occurs.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
67. Exactly.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:13 PM
Feb 2016

I don't see how it advances women to cry sexism when it isn't there. Or when she said "I can't be part of the establishment because I am a woman." Whatevs.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
83. In some other thread we were discussing the 1960's.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

I forget what about.

Somebody on 'our team' referred to herself as an old broad. :&gt )

I said well, in college we called out girlfriends 'chicks.' They called us, "my old man." Something like that. l was cool.

But somebody from the other side of the galaxy called me on it, said it was sexist. So,, I apologized..

Maybe... something chicken, chick,,, I don't know.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
86. My username at work is "Tool chick".
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

An old hippie called me that once and it stuck, it's not offensive at all.

It's getting so you have to watch everything you type here, remember the outrage over the 'BOOBS2016' thread? We jumped that shark a long time ago.


pangaia

(24,324 posts)
105. OMG! I'm in stitches !! :>)))))))))
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

How did I ever miss that?


Boston bean didn't seem to happy about it.







hearts for you for this..
Now I can go to bed happy..

I like boobs. I will think of them all night..








TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
28. He said THEY, not SHE
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:40 PM
Feb 2016

There is a huge difference. THEY means the campaign, which features a male campaign manager and a male former POTUS who heps influence the campaign strategy.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
49. Yup. Everything is sexist!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:01 PM
Feb 2016

What you want is special treatment, not equality.

Sounds like the opposite of Feminism to me.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
51. What nonsense.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

He said her extreme attacks on him suggested an unraveling campaign. The word "unravel" means "to disengage or separate the threads of." Nothing sexist in that. Nothing.

You know what came to mind? The Clinton campaign: "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
53. He's alittle thinned skinned and at times it shows
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:18 PM
Feb 2016

No proof she's "unraveling" just because Bernie says so.
don't worry about Bernie he gives as good as he gets

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
75. How is the the word "unraveling" the least bit connotative of gender?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

It might be offensive to rope or textiles, but they haven't complained.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
89. Really?! You should be the new StretchWoman
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

Because that stretch was quite impressive, without superpowers.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
9. she certainly is; she seemed destabilized in Iowa and
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:30 PM
Feb 2016

absolutely manic in NH. Worse than the "Dean scream." Not someone you want with their finger on the button, as some wise
posters here have already noted.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
52. He was being kind.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

In discussing her campaign's hideous attacks on him, he would have been within his rights to draw conclusions about the kind of person who does that.

complain jane

(4,302 posts)
55. I don't think her campaign's unraveling in the least.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

She definitely took stock of what's working and what's not and shifted gears in some places.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
88. She nneds an automatic transmission with AWD,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

anti-lock brakes and traction control. And a rear view camera, heated mirrors, lane change warnings.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
90. Next up: Send me a goddamned penny! You can afford a goddamned penny!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

Since she's been reduced to asking people to donate a dollar, I expect next up will be: "Send me a goddamned penny, or else! If you don't send me your goddammned penny by return mail in the enclosed envelope, Bill will have to stand on a street corner outside the Foggy Bottom metro station shaking a goddammned collection can!"

I think that would be a smart move on her part, because even a one red cent contribution will REALLY enable her to lower her average donation number.

I cannot understand how anyone who can only afford a modest donation would send one red cent to the multi-multi millionaire Clintons . . . . and, I would add, to the deadbeat Clintons, who stiffed campaign workers and vendors for OVER TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS at the end of her 2008 campaign.

More than four years after ending her 2008 bid for the presidency, Hillary Rodham Clinton is out of the red and debt free.

Clinton finally paid off the last of her campaign debts, which at one time were well over $20 million, according to campaign finance reports filed Tuesday. Now, the Hillary Clinton for President campaign has about $205,000 in the bank as she gets ready to leave the Obama administration as secretary of State — amid calls from prominent Democrats that she run again in 2016.

So how did Clinton pay off her campaign debts?

Since she has been part of Obama's Cabinet, Clinton hasn't been able to engage in political activities such as fundraising. Former President Bill Clinton, however, has done what he could to help his wife, sending out fundraising letters on her behalf, raffling off trips and dinners, and signing campaign memorabilia in exchange for donations.

President Obama also helped in his own way.The Clinton campaign report shows she rented out her list of donors to Obama's presidential campaign, which brought in about $63,000 in October.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2013/01/23/hillary-clinton-campaign-debt-free/1857991/#

Hope this time around everyone is getting their money up front, because she only paid off the 2008 debts when she needed to have a clean slate to run again.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
66. It's gotta be tough for Hillary.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:12 PM
Feb 2016

Six months ago she was a virtual lock, and now? It's slipping away just like in 2008. The only difference this time is that Bernie won't appoint Hillary to any positions in his cabinet. She'll just have to go back out on the corporate speaking trail. Oh well, at least she will make millions for herself.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
95. Corp. speeches & Clinton Foundation corp. bribes will come to a screeching halt!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

Oh well, now those 2 Clinton lovebirds will have time for a romantic second honeymoon!

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
80. Anytime Hillary is ahead in the polls, she is coming unraveled.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

Yea, right Bernie. And you need some foreign policy chops. Try talking to some generals or something.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
91. Not only does he have better judgment on war decisions, but also on free trade like TPP as well...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

Americans of all political stripes are starting to like how his foreign policy judgment there protects our jobs more, as well as our sovereignty.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
92. I don't think Bernie reads DU
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

But you can contact his campaign here. info@berniesanders.com I am sure they would be glad to hear what you have to say.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
85. Senator Sanders' Fluegelhorn Performance Goes Before Critics On Super Tuesday
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:35 PM
Feb 2016

Senator Sanders' claims about his performance goes before a broader base of critics than the mostly-white precincts of Iowa and New Hampshire on Super Tuesday. We'll see if Bernie's flugelhorn plays as well as the Big Dog's saxophone then.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
126. what happened to Hillary in the "mostly-white precincts"....were there some other precincts
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:59 AM
Feb 2016

that were prevented from voting?

do they score elections differently than it appears, or do the most votes decide?

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
134. Super Tuesday Is Coming. I Fail To See Why I Should Heed The Hype
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

Super Tuesday is coming, and so is the vote-tallying on the following day. I fail to see why I should believe the hype Bernie-philes are pushing until after then.

This ain't my first rodeo. The primary season is still far from over and the Party hasn't decided who is going to be our nominee.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
104. Well if picturegate insn't a sign of unraveling, I don't know what is.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

That was a stupid and desperate move to try and swift boat Bernie.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
130. It would defy all historical odds for Bernie to win a landslide in SC.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:24 AM
Feb 2016

13 days out and trailing 30 points means you will lose.

 

Horus T Light

(12 posts)
118. The wheel is turning
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:27 AM
Feb 2016

We need everybody in the fight against the Frankenstein monster of team red. After super Tuesday it won't matter much anyway. I'm a proud Hillary supporter but would vote for Sanders if he makes it. I hope I can say the same for you when Hillary goes to the podium at the convention.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
133. When the braid is turning out bad... you unravel and start over
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:21 AM
Feb 2016

Now it can't be called a restart this time because that would be number 4 this primary cycle.

What you do is boldly take the popular part of your opponents message and make love to it.

Anyone who's ever been a cuckold understands that such love making requires someone pushing someoneelse out of their bed

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
146. I look forward to when he decides to lose his cool.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

It'll be another Wizard of Oz moment on national tv. I'm liking these.

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