2016 Postmortem
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cali
(114,904 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
When people talk about a woman's clothing, or their appearance it is done to lower their favorability by 5%.
Rutgers-Eagleton's Center for American Women and Politics compiled research, that was taught in a Women and Politics course that showed gendered attacks hurt female candidates, whereas male candidates are unaffected.
This is why media talks about a woman candidate's clothes. It not only burns up their small allotment of time so real issues cannot be discussed, but it also reflects negatively on the electability of a candidate. This is not just how society works, there is a dynamic that hurts female candidates, delegitimizes them if the topics of voice, appearance, etc. are raised.
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JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Except to say that it could be a dogwhistle to special interests. I have not commented on how she looks in the photo or my opinion of the appropriateness of the jacket. Such commentary would surely be subject to the well taken points you make; but I have not made such statements.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)I like to post things near the top.
delrem
(9,688 posts)the colors are so the same, it's bloody boring.
Hillary's clothes and fashion choices are interesting to me. I think she has very good fashion sense. She can be very regal - I often think of Mao Zedong, but with 21st century designers, in some photos of her. She's very confident in her clothes, and that's a plus.
valerief
(53,235 posts)it's Angelina Jolie.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)(only Oceans fans will get this)
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)#ImNotRappaport
jillan
(39,451 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)I thought it looked familiar. I should have realized since I have posted this before.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in that pic. Gee, I wonder why?
Wilms
(26,795 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)with frikkin' laser beams on their heads patrolling the waters off his palatial oceanside retreat.
olddots
(10,237 posts)zipp it !
LisaM
(27,830 posts)The debate was held at UWM and their colors are gold and black.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)When I saw it last night I was turned off by the militant look even if it's in yellow it still looks rather severe and like something Dr. Evil might where on his off hours you know just relaxing making plans to take over the world. But, this is somehow worse.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Not a good color on anyone.
Donkees
(31,453 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Most people wear clothes more than once. If she only wore her clothes once, people would complain about that too.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)But feel free to be outraged.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)I'm not the only one, by the way. For what it's worth I thought Senator Sanders looked as red as a lobster. If you don't dare make a joke about a woman out of fear that it means you are sexist, that's your problem. However, it was certainly not my intention to offend you, although something tells me you probably get offended a lot.
procon
(15,805 posts)It clashed with her complexion which is in the cool range of pink tones. She looks best in complementary colors of cool shades of pinks, blues, purples, and some greens. The hot colors like yellow, orange, red, brown, olive greens aren't flattering to her skin tones, but looking at her wardrobe selections, those must be the shades she (or her dressers) prefers the most.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I feel better in my colors and they say people respond better. I'm in sales so it must be true. LOL...FWIW
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)It looks good on her.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It doesn't look good on anyone except Capt. Kirk.
Seriously? You like that color?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)and I do think it looks good on her. She looks nice in that pic.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,879 posts)You can't be a capitalist and a communist at the same time.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,879 posts)Not a Caucasian woman. They don't look alike, and I've seen my mom wear a suit jacket like that in royal blue.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)(sorry for the source of that pic but it shows the collar nicely)
JustAnotherGen
(31,879 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Oh, thats funny!
JustAnotherGen
(31,879 posts)It doesn't make sense. Is that a Clinton vs Sanders joke I'm not getting?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have no clue.
JustAnotherGen
(31,879 posts)And why would Goldman Sachs have a Communist speak to them?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Or communists? Or to do something weird that is secret secret? This is very weird anyway, I still dont get it yet.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)But thanks for spottlighting the sexism running rampant on DU and elsewhere these days.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Have you seen ANY of the Bernie photo threads?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)About the closest they have come to that is talking about his lapel pin.
840high
(17,196 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)The OP is sexist as hell. It's also childish and petty.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Sorry you nearly got a shut-out jury disagreeing.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Didn't alert your OP or any of your other posts in this thread.
That's a shitty accusation, but not surprising in the least.
Sorry, but the only person off base here is you.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Since the inception of DU3 and the jury system, sexism has run rampant on DU. You can find thousands upon thousands of posts discussing this and asking the admins to do something about it. It's all Lord of the Flies up in here now.
delrem
(9,688 posts)It is certainly not all complimentary.
But you know, wearing a bright yellow suit jacket to a debate is likely to be commented on? Don't you think so?
I remember back in the days, in Canada, when there was "Trudeau-mania" about Pierre Trudeau. A very populist, charismatic man. The early days, before Albertan's threw tomatoes at his train when he traveled across Canada by rail. His clothes, his rose, all drew a lot of comment (scathing, ribald, the works) because they were just a tiny bit out of the ordinary. Is that "sexism"? Or is that just people talking about something that a professionally public person, a politician, takes care to make noticeable? I mean jeez, breezing into Ottawa in a flashy red sports convertible, wearing his rose, what's not to talk about?
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)But the color and the trim of the jacket
AS an old Sailor friend of mine said it looks like foul weather gear
Just add an hat
It's very high dollar whatever it is.
I think its silk the way it plays on the body.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Can we stop this blatant misogyny?
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:41 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Some people seem to like to claim everything is misogynistic and sexist. This also is neither.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If I need to ask for the misogyny to be pointed out, it is not blatant.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Can we please move on from this childish behavior?
I am supporting Sen. Sanders, however, I don't like how we attack each other. We are suppose to be supportive of each other not knock each other down!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a beautifully tailored jacket and I'm sure she felt confident in it. What misogyny?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: We're talking about Wall Street, I am not seeing the misogyny in the post.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-dives-midterms-supporting-democratic-women
And also to the New-York Historical Societys History Makers Gala
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2019823.1416627241!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/459389606.jpg
http://m.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/hillary-clinton-talks-parallels-teddy-roosevelt-blog-entry-1.2019797
So now we know she wore the same jacket a shocking four times!
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)calling them on her cell phone, late night when she needs their love...or money. Or whatever.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)If anyone still does not "get" Hillary and the media Wall Street Intertwine... then they are just delusional.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)Do you have an opinion on what the male candidates wear? How about a similar post about Sanders' rumpled suits, Trump's designer suits, Rubio's stacked heel shoes that add an extra inch or two to his height?
Nope, there's no sexism on the Left. Suffice it to read DU regularly to disabuse one of that notion.
The barrel has been scraped so much that it now has a hole.....
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)(And no, DSCC fundraisers don't count, thanks for trying)
Then I would have an opinion. The point of this post is that the same clothing was worn at both events. How the clothing looks or how she looks is irrelevant and immaterial, and a distraction from the post (but a convenient way to dodge the larger point, so kudos for finding a good distraction!)
I have no opinion about the specifics of her clothing; it is unimportant to me. Ideas, record, and ethics matter to me.
Have I made myself sufficiently clear to you?