2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDid BERNIE ever say it was himself in this photo?
I am not seeing anywhere him claiming that the photo was himself.
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)Look at the hands.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But they looked alot alike. We need the Senator to confirm because the photog was not close (relationship wise) to either.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Sally Cook, the retired government lawyer University of Chicago alumni who contacted the University of Chicago archives to get the caption of the photo changed, conceded to Time magazine reporter Sam Frizell that she could not "say for certain the man is not Sanders."
So what made it so important to her that she felt she needed to change the caption in order to identify the individual at a 40+-year-old sit in as some long dead acquaintance rather than as Bernie Sanders?
Who then told Sam Frizell, Time magazine's Clinton pool reporter, about this trifling photo flap? What induced Sam Frizell to devote 1000 words to this complete non-story without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?
What then induced the WaPo's Jonathan Capehart, the live in partner of a rich Clinton campaign staffer, to pick up this complete non-story and spin it into a direct attack of Sanders' integrity without making any attempt to contact the original photographer?
Why did corporate cable news then trot out Capehart on 10 different shows to promulgate this complete non-story?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)just an old picture".
It took *effort* and got *airtime* dammit. Apropos of *nothing*.
Please make yours an OP.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Skinner - why are you allowing lies to continue to be re-hashed? Just asking?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Waste of time, nobody will convince anybody else. I hope he puts a stop to this. I want black voters getting the attention for our issues not fighting about a photo!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)You can end the fighting by agreeing with the photographer and the historical record.
JudyM
(29,274 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)And the fact that I never once heard him claim this was him. Honestly. We all KNOW HE WAS THERE. Both men spoke at that gathering. They looked alike. Fine if they got mixed up, but only bernie is still around, bruce died.
I think it is not an actual scandal.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Black voters are slightly more important and I want the attention on us not this photo.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)They should be apologizing to SANDERS!!!
It is not Sander's responsibility to refute every ridiculous slander and lie.
LexVegas
(6,094 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)when you have the opinion of LexVegas?
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)dchill
(38,532 posts)That it IS him.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)he was and has always been a civil rights leader.
This, even if it is Bernie, does not make him a civil rights leader. My brother led sit ins and protests and marches in colleges during these years. He is no civil rights leader. He was a college kid doing what college kids did in those years.
After this event, the things that his supporters say make him a civil rights leader were: marching ... somewhere, voting for Jesse Jackson and "calling for" things.
That's all I've seen. These things do not make a civil rights leader. They just don't.
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)When he has talked about it, he has made it clear that he played a small role. If you want to criticize his supporters for hyperbole, that's fine. But I don't think you can blame him for that. Supporters of Clinton engage in hyperbole too but I don't blame her for that.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)This supposed leadership in the civil rights movement is the reason most often given why people of color should support him.
People of color are told over and over that they just don't understand how much he has done for them and they just don't understand that he is the only one who is on their side. Because he has done so much for civil rights and people of color.
But, he just hasn't.
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)Some folks get a little over excited in their advocacy for a candidate they believe in. I will acknowledge that I have seen that too. People over-reaching a bit with their descriptions of civil rights leadership. I do think it is worth noting his participation though. It's not as if it was the most popular thing for white people to be doing at the time. It's an indicator of an attitude toward racial equality. In that respect, his record is much more consistent than that of his opponent.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)But while it was not overly popular everywhere, working in the movement was pretty popular among college students in areas such as Chicago.
And there were different levels and degrees of participation. Sanders participated in sit-ins and demonstrations at the University of Chicago, which was a relatively safe place for a young white man to be an activist. Again, I'm not taking ANYTHING away from him - what he did was great.
But there were people who went much further. Young white folks, for example, who went South to register voters, protest, march, participate in the Freedom Rides, etc. This was scary, dangerous stuff. Some did not make it back alive, some were scarred for life. Some were cut off from their families, lost jobs, etc.
Again - and it's a shame I have to keep repeating this, but too many people here treat anything less than effusive praise as a vicious attack on Sanders - I am not suggesting that Sanders was wrong not to do those things or that his contribution is in any way diminished because he didn't. But I point this out to say that there were people who were doing extraordinary, dangerous, heroic things and I reserve descriptions and labels such as "hero," and leader to people like them. It's not fair to them for their work and legacy to be lumped together with the work of others, however meaningful, that did not involve the sacrifice that theirs did.
And I don't think that Sanders would wish to be put into the same category of these people. He contributed to the movement in the way he chose to and he did his part. But he should not be held up as some kind of civil rights icon. He did what all decent people of his generation should have done.
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)I just know that there are some opponents of his who DO want to diminish his involvement and don't want to give him credit for anything. That is frustrating to see as well.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)white people to be doing at the time. It was what college kids did.
And no, he is not more consistent than she is in working for the rights and opportunities for people of color.
Try this article that compares Hillary's and Bernie's activities in the 60's and 70's: https://medium.com/breaking-down-onanti-hillary-meme-at-a-time/clinton-and-sanders-the-60-s-and-70-s-beyond-the-memes-159c3261c24d#.jq53heqhk
And this one where the NAACP gives her rates her at 96% indicating a pro-affirmative action stance: http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm#06n-NAACP
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)Squinch
(51,004 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)It wasn't what a majority of college kids did and you are either lying or ignorant on this subject.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)They've been cutting and pasting the same post all over the place, so it may likely find its way into this thread any moment now.
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)I am a supporter of his. I don't know why there is an insistence on holding Sanders accountable for the words of every single one of his supporters.
That is the thing
Leader
frylock
(34,825 posts)Civil rights activist is what he is referred to.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Activist. Not leader.
Please stop lying and then attacking your lie.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)And somehow I think if he isn't spending every minute of his time on the internet that he was even aware of the controversy. Since it apparently made the NY Times we might get some clarification from Bernie himself. Though if I was him I would just let people argue.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I feel you. I still want him to just say IT WAS ME! Or THATS NOT ME!
Then we can shut up about this photo.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)does he have to autograph each one to suit people?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Do you seriously think this is an issue of any importance?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think thats my point, dont you?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)femmedem
(8,207 posts)The implication is that he misled people when he used this photo on his campaign website to bolster his civil rights credentials.
Ugly swiftboating. It needs to be cleared up.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)himself? Not a BFD to me.
I owe you brittle, and feel guilty. Going to buy peanuts later!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Lost weight too so yes I'll take it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)pushed past thirty guests to get all over the pizza. Shameless moochers will steal bites of anything you got, instead of hiding under the bed like good kitties should. The minute you have a morsel of food in front of you around here, they wake up and demand their cut. I'm glad that they too enjoy a good party, but leave the pizza alone!
frylock
(34,825 posts)Not sure if you've noticed.
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)with it.
Bernie has never said he marched with Dr. King or that he is a civil rights "hero" or that he marched at Selma or that black people who support Hillary are victims of the Stockholm Syndrome. But you wouldn't know that by reading these boards.
Unfortunately, for Sanders, his supporters' outlandish claims and over-bearing attempts to shove them down everyone's throats do him a lot of damage since lots of folks probably don't know that he is not as obnoxious, narrow-minded and tone-deaf as some of his most vocal supporters.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)betsuni
(25,614 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)because no matter what it is you will simply, instantly move on to the next subterfuge.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Donkees
(31,453 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Someone found the photo and took it and a copy of it to Sanders office for signature in 2010
valerief
(53,235 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)And he says it's Bernie.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)thesquanderer
(11,991 posts)If someone showed me a picture from 50 years ago (yes, I was alive), and it was in a place I'd have likely been, and the person looked like me but it wasn't a full head-on shot, I'd probably say, I guess that's me. If someone said, hey you know, it could have been so-and-so, he'd have been there too, and the two of you look similar, I'd probably say, okay, I guess it could be him. Why assume the subject would necessarily know for sure? In fact, if it were me, I'd probably take the word of the photographer. If he told me, "yeah, I took that picture, it was you," I'd tend to believe him.
But I tend to agree with your posts #9 and #11. Is this really important? Which is why I'm surprised you posted the OP in the first place.
I don't think anyone doubts he participated in events like this. I'm not sure why people are making such an issue over the pic, one way or the other.
valerief
(53,235 posts)thesquanderer
(11,991 posts)...when I look at my post, it says "Response to bravenak (Reply #58)" - not sure how it ended up otherwise!
valerief
(53,235 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)50 whatever years later so he should have signed it "to my friend bravenak".
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)IIRC, so the implication certainly was it was him. He evidently thought it was.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Maybe he realized it was Bruce
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)but certainly having it up there constitutes an implied claim it was a picture of himself.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)At that time, a young Hillary Clinton supported Barry Goldwater who voted AGAINST THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.
So keep on trippin on some alleged identity mixup.
At least my candidate never had to evolve on whether civil rights for my parents were good or bad.
See what I did there? Substance. Try having some in this campaign about ISSUES.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Squinch
(51,004 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Squinch
(51,004 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)That's called Primary Source material.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Squinch
(51,004 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)But here is a video he produced a couple of years ago, and that picture appears in the video. I imagine that Bernie thinks it's a picture of him too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511214085
bravenak
(34,648 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
bravenak
(34,648 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)Damn, could have sworn that it wasn't on the schedule until next week. Oh well, keeps people from making up things about his policies I guess, so a win for him.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)I missed the February circumcision thread and can't remember when the March breastfeeding at Red Lobster thread is due.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This month is mostly african american issues due to black history month
That mean photo threads, chicken menu threads, angry discussions about what black people say, MLK seances daily, perhaps a few MALCOLMX seances, rounded out by more wheres waldoing.
kiva
(4,373 posts)I'm not sure how they're going to work in the usual pitbull threads, not to mention the political topics being an election year and all. I suppose as long as no one starts talking about corn flake breading on the chicken they can manage it all.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We gotta bang it out on weekends
kiva
(4,373 posts)I'm thinking we may need to start working overtime.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)Chihuahua instead of a pitbull, don't know if it would draw as large of a crowd.
Sorry, on my way out the door...enjoyed this tour of DU's popular topics
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)so there is that.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Reporting on the controversy, one might say. Hm, that reminds me of one of our major "news" outlets.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)I suppose that's primary season for you. Escalations, tit-for-tat allegations, hard feelings and alienation. I can but follow the examples set.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Many do not view his record the same way as you
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)But, the truth will out.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Facts are stubborn things.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)And the photographer identified him. That standing photo and the sitting photos were from the same roll of film. Those photos and the out takes from the roll of film were all of the same subject, Bernie Sanders, who was leading the sit-in protest of Univ of Chicago discriminatory housing practices.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)betsuni
(25,614 posts)I did not realize they were infallible, good to know. Why waste time checking with the research department before publishing photos? Thanks, DU!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)betsuni
(25,614 posts)thinking it was about something. That was stupid.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Congrats!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)she needs to come clean about all she knows regarding her server being wiped.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And that includes letting AmericanCrosroads.org to put up really disgusting pro-Sanders anti-Clinton ads like the one bashing Chelsea and Hillary. He knows it's happening because Hillary told him it was in a debate. His silence on the matter is disturbing. But the long and the short of it is that hiding behind his "supporters" or campaign staff is starting to look like a mean trick. The buck stops with Bernie.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It really is up to him.