2016 Postmortem
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(88,117 posts)billhicks76
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Ask Martin Shkreli if anyone likes smugness.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And in addition, she does not get much of anything. She does not get it!
She does not understand the economic reality of American life. Does't get it!
Doesn't understand about the job market! Just doesn't get it!
Doesn't understand about the fear minority parents have for their children!
Doesn't get it!
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)She's that out of touch. Certain personality types never perceive how they look from the outside by others looking in.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)She doesn't care what regular people, like you and I, perceive her as being on the outside as well as on the inside. What she deeply cares about is how the 1% view her because she and her husband Bill worked (very little, by the way because giving speeches doesn't take a lot of work) to get wealthy.
Working for the government in DC is very lucrative. You get a lot of money from lobbyists just for passing some bills benefiting who the lobbyists work for. That's the case with Hillary, she's made a lot of money from speeches to wall st and big banks and as her time as SoS, hundreds of millions of dollars. Yet, that's not enough. The presidency will make sure she makes even more by helping her friends in the defense industry, wall st and big banks, big pharma, etc.
I'm sure she uses code words in her debates and stump speeches that only her benefactors understand.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Donkees
(31,454 posts)vanlassie
(5,683 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Just perfectly done.
askew
(1,464 posts)That should be disqualifying for any Dem. He is a war criminal.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)berningman
(144 posts)fuck you henry "war criminal" kissinger
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)More people should read about what he has done to this country
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Will now be googling Hebry Kissinger and getting a history lesson.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It was good Bernie did that tonight.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)She's in the loop with Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland, Henry Kissinger, and like them she doesn't feel at all.
It's #1 on her resume! It's what she promises more of! It's what her supporters glory in. Not one of them give a flying fart in a windstorm about the hell on earth brought by cluster bombing. Esp. if it's brown people, or Arabs, or Muslims, or... so long as they have no defense. After all, neocons and their enablers rightly feel perfectly safe (NONE of these are wars of defense), and are happy for the trickle down profits.
And you'd better believe it, if she's elected POTUS she will visit hell on defenseless people in a never ending parade of war and war profiteering. It's in her bones.
Just listen to her and you know the very thought of it turns her bloody crank.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)to play politics with American lives.
Nixon sent Ground Troops into Cambodia to stop supply routes and to destroy ammo supply depots.
The troops were set to reach their targets and Nixon/Kissinger called them back and jeopardized the lives of Hundreds of
Soldiers and put them in danger when the mission was called off even when these troops had their target in sight.
(This was Nixon''s and Kissinger's)
Dangerous game of playing politics with American Lives)
http://vietnamawbb.weebly.com/invasion-of-cambodia.html
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517172928AAeWQFx
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/American_Empire/Nixon_Cambodia_LFE.html
Bernie Sanders was so right and he could go even deeper into this but he made his point and I suspect many have done research about this subject.
Thank You for the Hearts.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Love Bernie so much,
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)As did "I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend."
Only wish Bernie had went after Hillary's love of regime-change as forcefully as this earlier in the campaign.
fierywoman
(7,694 posts)She was blinking like mad -- isn't that a "tell" when someone lies?
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)noticed it square away.
jham123
(278 posts)Blinky started slowing her blink rate as her internal CPU started to melt down. She had no clue what was going to be next.
After her 3 minute long diatribe about forming War coalitions and patting herself on the back for being responsible for the current War Coalition, she hadn't a clue.....her response told me that she still didn't get it....she may not "Get it" even today.
It takes a keen eye and Historical context to understand how "someones" influences may help one judge character.
The Hillary supporters state that it means nothing "Pal Around" was a hot button in another thread, believe me, if I stated that Charles Manson was one of my influences and who I get advice from, no one would have issues with not trusting me after such a statement.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Bernie knows his history too. He lived through it and formed his opinions of it when it happened.
WTF was HILLARY thinking during the Cambodian situation that allows her to be a "friend" of Kissinger.
Her morality is skin deep.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)The man deserved it, and Hillary should not be pals with him.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)the NV were having with the Johnson administration and Kissinger promised the N Vietnamese that Nixon would give them a better deal..This cost us American lives, it set up Cambodia for Po Pot and slave labor camps.
After Nixon was elected he gave China a "free trade" deal which began the exportation of American mfg. jobs.
So for Bernie I would say don't expect a Christmas Card and for Kissinger don't expect an invitation to any State Dinners.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,022 posts)Kissinger, then to pivot and connect Kissinger pushing trade with China that resulted in the death of millions of American jobs.
Deafening mic drop!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)Not Sure
(735 posts)Beautifully done.
Bangbangdem
(140 posts)First he publicly placed blame for our mess in the middle east on the C.I.A.'s doorstep for the overthrow of Iran in the 50's. Now this. I have never seen a politician behave this way. Not in my lifetime. Go, Bernie, Go! Shame on Clinton for siding with, and even licking the boots of this mass murdering maniac. Bernie is right, the man created an absolute catastrophe in Southeast Asia. He should be in the Hague, not being held up as an idol at a Democratic debate.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)You don't hear much about it anymore.
Bangbangdem
(140 posts)This is one of those things that could shine some light on him. Hopefully, Bernie's remarks can lead to a lot more scrutiny of Kissenger's record. Sanders also pivots to show that the opening of trade relations, by Kissenger, with China, was a disaster for the American labor force.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)She could speak some English and translated for her mother. Together they shared their escape from the "killing fields". They spent much time under water, sometimes breathing through reeds, and with only rats to eat much of the time as protein. She was a beautiful girl, and I got tears as she and her mother shared their escape.
Uncle Joe
(58,418 posts)Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Fucking truth!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)Chile: Nixon and Kissinger plotted to thwart the democratic election of a socialist president. The eventual outcome: a military coup and a military dictatorship that killed thousands of Chileans.
Argentina: Kissinger gave a "green light" to the military junta's dirty war against political opponents that led to the deaths of an estimated 30,000.
East Timor: Another "green light" from Kissinger, this one for the Indonesian military dictatorship's bloody invasion of East Timor that yielded up to 200,000 deaths.
Cambodia: The secret bombing there during the Nixon phase of the Vietnam War killed between 150,000 and 500,000 civilians.
Bangladesh: Kissinger and Nixon turned a blind eye toarguably, they tacitly approvedPakistan's genocidal slaughter of 300,000 Bengalis, most of them Hindus.
And there's more. Kissinger's mendacity has been chronicled for years. See Gary Bass' recent and damning book on the Bangladesh tragedy, The Blood Telegram. There's Seymour Hersh's classic, The Price of Power. In The Trial of Henry Kissinger, Christopher Hitchens presented the case against Kissinger in his full polemical style. As secretary of state, Kissinger made common cause withand encouragedtyrants who repressed and massacred many. He did not serve the American values of democracy, free expression, and human rights. He shredded them.
Once upon a time, Hillary Clinton protested the Vietnam War. She attended the 1968 GOP convention in Miami to join the effort to draft Nelson Rockefeller in order to prevent Nixon from winning the party's presidential nomination. She served on the staff of the House judiciary committee, which voted to impeach Nixon; one of the articles of impeachment drafted by the staff (but which was not approved) slammed Nixon for covering up the bombing in Cambodia. She knows what Kissinger has done. She knows what Kissinger represents. There's none of that in her self-serving review. Instead, she hails him as a champion of a values-driven foreign policy. Maybe when he's typing in front of a computer these daysbut not when he wielded power. Clinton lets him off the hook and participates in the long-running pretense that Kissinger is a grand old statesman who deserves respect rather than scorn.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Caught me off guard.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)The guy is a war mongering Republican asshole who has fucked over many countries.
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KoKo
(84,711 posts)That it was her "dog whistle" to alert Repub crossover voters that she will be a good War Hawk. Her mention of giving the go ahead to Obama to kill bin Laden and her other warlike talk is signaling to donors that she won't let the MIC down when she becomes President.
Mentioning Kissenger twice now in different debates signals that her Foreign Policy has been shaped in the past by Kissinger and Madelyn Albright and will continue along with tweaks by her buddies and supporters, the NeoCons, which she has also been in league with. Libyan invasion was NeoCon. She delighted in "We Came...We Saw...He Died," as she laughlingly said to CBS reporter, about Gaddafi's brutal killing and rape.
Was so glad to see Bernie call her out about Kissinger.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Presidential candidates don't usually talk like that. It's why we love him, and why he's totally intolerable to the very serious people.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I wish more candidates would talk like that. It's refreshing.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)I'm so glad Sanders is running. Liberal voices have been buried under Third Way don't-rock-the-boat for too long.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)There should never have even been even doubts. It was an ugly way to attack him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1210741
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)When you are namedropping a notorious war criminal, that's a problem. Period.
Great article about this as a defining difference on the Intercept today: https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/henry-kissingers-war-crimes-are-central-to-the-divide-between-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)when he mentioned kissinger! my favorite moment of the debate
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)The sparring during Thursdays Democratic presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders over whether Henry Kissinger is an elder statesman or a pariah has laid bare a major foreign policy divide within the Democratic Party.
Clinton and Sanders stand on opposite sides of that divide. One represents the hawkish Washington foreign policy establishment, which reveres and in some cases actually works for Kissinger. The other represents the marginalized non-interventionists, who cant possibly forgive someone with the blood of millions of brown people on his hands.
Kissinger is an amazing and appropriate lens through which to see whats at stake in the choice between Clinton and Sanders. But that only works, of course, if you understand who Kissinger is which surely many of todays voters dont.
Some may only dimly recall that Kissinger won a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end the Vietnam War (comedian Tom Lehrer famously said the award made political satire obsolete) and that he played a central role in President Nixons opening of relations with China.
But Kissinger is reviled by many left-leaning observers of foreign policy. They consider him an amoral egotist who enabled dictators, extended the Vietnam War, laid the path to the Khmer Rouge killing fields, stage-managed a genocide in East Timor, overthrew the democratically-elected left-wing government in Chile, and encouraged Nixon to wiretap his political adversaries.
Read the whole thing.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)kick
MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)TBF
(32,092 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)that is another major divide between the two candidates. One exudes passion...the other pasionless. JMO.