2016 Postmortem
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brooklynite
(94,727 posts)I thought they switched to table debates when it got down to two.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)90 sec for each answer followed by 30 sec responses
Recursion
(56,582 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Sanders starting with his "we started with nothing" comments
Americans responding to basic truths
-campaign finance system corrupt
-rigged economy
-broken criminal justice system (leaning to BLM?)
American people tired of establishment politics; want a political revolution
Clinton: "I'm running for President to knock down 'all the barriers'"
A lot of Americans are angry about the economy
- not enough good paying jobs
We both agree on need to get unaccountable money out of campaigns
I want to go further:
-African Americans who face discrimination
-Immigrant families living in fear
-gender pay equality
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)That's unusual for him
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I wonder if the mic feedback can be heard on stage.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Gets better
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Good for her.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)..did she say that to her friends on Wall Street????
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)He wears nearly the same thing, so I can't say the same.
Now, that is where it's tougher to be a woman. We have to have a new outfit for every event and men can wear the same blue or black suit.
That said, NO ONE other than a baby looks good in that color yellow. It's not a pretty yellow.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)You also have to stand in line longer to use the restroom at the opera than we guys do.
I mean,, you know..
I never understood why opera houses, concert halls, baseball stadiums, what else, help me here...restrooms just before Customs and Immigration at Newark Airport, etc don't have 3x as many.."accomodations"... well, you know what I mean.
My poor girlfriend-- when we returned from Portugal.. get off the plane. have to walk 800 yards. we reach the restrooms and 247 of the 900 people from three Boeing triple sevens are lined up in agony.........
I better stop before I really get in trouble...
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Bernie's consistent message that he has given since day 1
Hillary now catering to a new audience. Never has she brought up African Americans or immigrants within the first 30 seconds of anything.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)This is the reason why she is running for President. I think this is a good overall message to run on.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Response: mass transfer of wealth to top 1%
Usual items
"Medicare for All"
Free pubic education
Rebuild infrastructure
"In my view, Government of a democratic society has a vital role"
Clinton estimates Sanders plan would increase six of Federal Govt by 40%
We both have to explain real costs
Sanders disputes Clinton comment that he wants to dismantle ACA
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)quantass
(5,505 posts)JudyM
(29,274 posts)NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)I love politics.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)"Increase the size of the American Government"
WTF?
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)Smart, accountable government. Not everyone wants to be bothered by the government. People want to be left alone.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)It has to big enough to do its job effectively.
Wanting to make it smaller is some RW shit and there is no denying it.
My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.
--Grover Norquist
Wig Master
(95 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)Not everyone wants government in their lives. It should be for those who need it.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)big round of applause
edit..hillary countering....i feel an obama snuggle coming...
book_worm
(15,951 posts)Both want the same goal.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...it was never a thing.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)....until the end of the debate.
valerief
(53,235 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)These aren't pep rallies and shouldn't be treated as such.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)applause when I agree with people. and I mostly do.
hated it during the Republican debate.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Early still, but much better than the last debate.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Isn't universal healthcare! Does she or does she not want everyone to have care?
Also, please explain how serving up the entire American populace to the private insurance companies as forced customers is "taking on health insurance companies"? Please. Explain that.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)"sec clinton, you.re not in the white house yet". bam!
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Many got coverage, including under 26 yr olds. No more ceilings on coverage.
BUT, the insurance companies basically got free marketing & by law all Americans are required to purchase their products.
We also got higher copays & premiums in the process.
So who REALLY won.
Insurance companies are non-necessary entities. They are robber barons who control our lives on multiple levels.
The best thing is to banish them from the medical arena.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)is the best system and will save us money!
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)It's only logical!
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Woot!!
longship
(40,416 posts)Good!
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Is that a joke with how much the deductibles cost?
edit: Build on Healthcare with employers since WW2?! Where I'm required to pay a scumbag like Dennis Hensley if I make enough just because I breathe and am an adult?! A for-profit company?!
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)It's not a good look, Hillary. And when you bring up the insurance industry, you are begging for everyone to start researching the lobbyists in your campaign and the crazy amount of health insurance campaign money you have received.
hibbing
(10,109 posts)bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)both candidates giving their cases very well.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...she knows her history about why we have the system we have
nolabear
(41,991 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)That's not at all unrealistic.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...she'll HAVE to take on those industries? Is she even willing to do it?
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)F me running.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Just being a breathing human being and adult, I should not be required to pay a FOR-PROFIT private industry money. I find that outrageous.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)This is a persuasive argument? Wow
HDSam
(251 posts)Hillary said a few weeks ago universal healthcare would never happen, or words to that effect?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Secular Talk
Secular Talk ?@KyleKulinski
Hillary argument 1: I'm against this!
Hillary argument 2: I've been in the trenches fighting for this!
#DemDebate
That was just a few weeks ago. My science teacher in biology back in the 1970's said evolution takes a long time. I don't believe a few weeks is a long time, so surely there must be another answer? Perhaps she suddenly realized Bernie's idea is pretty good?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)People should evaluate both plans: I've been specific about how much it would cost and where I would raise money.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)coverage of 90%???? what about the other ten..they supposed to crawl into a hole and die?
2m2 minutes ago
Secular Talk ?@KyleKulinski
Hillary has jumped the shark and she's now fear mongering over single-payer. Progressive my ass. #DemDebate
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...that's weird.
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)I thought that was "never ever ever gonna happen!"
Is it me, or does her outfit make her look like a cross between a handmaiden of Queen Amidala and Col. Mustard?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Or her personal makeup person isn't on call tonight.
Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)I was wondering if she consulted with Laura Bush on the choice of drapery to wear.
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)Maybe she's going to hit on C3PO once the debate is over. Either him or Dr Evil.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Clinton: my policies will cost $100 B per year, paid for.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Didn't the Reagan administration/HMO-era make it FOR-PROFIT? Doesn't sound the same to me.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Physicians' practices have always been for-profit AFAIK (doctors pretty universally incorporate their practices for tax and liability reasons). HCA and Tenet were founded in the mid 1960s, but they were amalgamations of existing private hospitals.
Private health insurance has always been about half for-profit and half not-for-profit since the 1930s.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)I think that line didn't get the reaction he hoped for
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)Nice to hear.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)www.pbs.org
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)All questions have been negatively phrased.
Both of them need to be careful with answers.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)farmboy
(252 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)I don't trust Scott Walker to contribute
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Response to brooklynite (Original post)
AtomicKitten This message was self-deleted by its author.
ancianita
(36,133 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)What...I..um...wrong thread.
Sorry.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)I thought you were moderating this one? Get down there and scoot next to Gwennie
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)The jokes on them though - all the rye crisps in gardetto bowl are mine! mine! mine! Take THAT Woodruff!
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Isn't this the Golden Globes?
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Er- or it may have been at Arby's, some guy with a camera phone and my greasy bag of curly fries.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)That's pretty 1950s.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)He was essentially saying that we decided to educate kids rather than throw them into the work force.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)femmedem
(8,207 posts)when public education through grade 12 was good for a population that worked largely on farms or in factories.
He is saying times have changed, and our educational needs have changed with the times.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Farms with big RED barns, know what I'm sayin' here?
*Ahem*
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)What have those women who voted for Sanders missed?
nolabear
(41,991 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But she did not poll test it
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...still going hard on the "Bernie doesn't know what he's doing" stuff.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)They should make her
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)femmedem
(8,207 posts)and for your fair reporting of the debate. I am listening, but you're doing a great service for people who are missing it.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Wig Master
(95 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)It has to be a song, Wiggy!
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)and why she stands for women supporting whoever they want whether it be she or Bernie. It's there choice.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Stupid question
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)take the vagina card and go home, gwen
bernies response was excellent
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)esp since she is asking the man who would be the
first dem socialist president
first jewish president
book_worm
(15,951 posts)and she certainly is not only this time but of all-time.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)LOL! I kid.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Sisters of the Traveling Pants II or something.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Or just a lot of lip?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Secular Talk
Secular Talk ?@KyleKulinski
Don't worry they'll ask Hillary in a second if she feels bad 'thwarting history' too, the first Jewish-American president. #DemDebate
farmboy
(252 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)farmboy
(252 posts)And my penis COUNTS!!!
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)She was talking mostly about women in that answer.
farmboy
(252 posts)Response to farmboy (Reply #146)
Wig Master This message was self-deleted by its author.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)Bernie is good too, but so far I think she is really doing well.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...will agree.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Not sure why they wanted to limit the debates originally.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)He needed exposure more than she did and the DNC knew it. They were hoping the name brand advantage would lead to quick end of the primary. Sort of backfired. I think she will still win but he has enough supporters contributing small dollar amounts to go all the way to the convention. This is the best chance he will have on a national stage to fight for liberalism. It should make Hillary stronger for the general election.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)She needs to lay off the Brock, or there will be too much resentment for the general.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Too much identity politics coming from official surrogates in the Clinton campaign. Stick to the real issues. You say you have the best ideas, so prove it to us. This has been a very good debate with very little identity politicking. I just wish her surrogates would engage in less of it.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Democrat!
Arazi
(6,829 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)She told them she supports Bernie and they told her they support Hillary. I wish she would've asked them about what is Senator Sanders voting record by NARAL
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Fundamental police reform
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)relates story of Dante Hamilton from Milwaukee
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)when she has taken money from CCA, a private for-profit prison group.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and fight for campaign finance reform. both candidates would have to have a ton of support to do that.
will the support be there? it was not for Obama.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...what would you do to improve it?
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)We need to solve problems out in the open.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...she's just saying Obama did great and she needs to move "forward". They asked for specifics.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)they need CARE
do you not see the difference?
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Apparently?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and hide their money while,poor people of all colors can't afford their copays is better?
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Chezboo
(230 posts)from two major prison companies that are also serving as top fundraisers for her.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)it's not his style
book_worm
(15,951 posts)stonewall President Obama giving him no respect as a president. She could have been stronger on that.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...that gets exhausting...lol
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)That'll get him going
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)seems a little low key, but he has been running all over the media. so expected, I guess.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Listening to DU
nolabear
(41,991 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)she has gotten better during the past couple of topics
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)I like how these two debate each other. Even when contentious, they treat each other pretty well.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)because of the segregation. It felt really strange for a Bronx girl.
When Dammer killed those ghetto kids, I was like what ghetto?
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...If working class white numbers are about to be outnumbered, don't they have a reason to be resentful"?
Dicey question.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Plan to address problems in coal country.
Communities with "persistent, generational poverty".
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)can't make this shit up!
to jury: I did not make this shit up- search for it! That comment survived a jury!
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)West Virginia needs help.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)We should be creating heavy tourism for West Virginia. Has anyone here seen some of the shots and video of the Appalachia mountains?! The landscape is GORGEOUS!
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)there just aren't ANY jobs and its a real problem.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Any job you do in WV you would make 5 to 10,000 more in another state doing the very same job.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)The areas of WV where millions in coal are mined, the roads suck, the schools are truly awful, landscape sucks. Everybody is addicted to drugs.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)They just passed an IN-style "religious freedom" bill.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)It's a sophisticated answer.
JudyM
(29,274 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Go Bernie
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)NAILED the problem into the concise answer necessary for people to hear.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Would you go further than Obama plan to bring immigrants out of the shadows?
nolabear
(41,991 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Disagree with recent deportation policies
Need path towards citizenship
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Another "attack"?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Down she goes on that attack
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Good response from Sanders on that.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)californiabernin
(421 posts)He's out-debating Clinton and so clear and straightforward in his responses! A natural!
Arazi
(6,829 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...I agree with path to citizenship for people that are already here. I do have a problem with illegal immigration. We really just can't keep taking people from everywhere on Earth.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Or more specifically, we can take a hell of a lot more than we currently do.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Mentioning the AFL-CIO et al. Do we even know if the bill was in it's current form when Kennedy was alive? With the guest worker bs.