A key reason young people don’t support Hillary Clinton? They don’t have daughters.

[kennetha]

Theories abound about why young voters in general, and young women in particular, do not support Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries. Such speculation will surely intensify after the New Hampshire primary, where Clinton won only 16 percent among 18- to 29-year-olds en route to losing to Bernie Sanders.

Here is one important explanation for why many young Democrats do not support Hillary Clinton: They have not yet parented a daughter.

A key reason young people don’t support Hillary Clinton? They don’t have daughters.

[elehhhhna]

1. Lmao horseshit.

That is a DUzy right there.

[kennetha]

5. statistical analysis -- nothing more, nothing less

[cyberswede]

8. ...a lot less, actually.

[elehhhhna]

13. Random bullshit more like

[FBaggins]

32. So... right along with lies and damn lies?

Got it.

[OrwellwasRight]

53. Sure, but many statistical correlations are meaningless.

rather than explanatory

[DonCoquixote]

66. with a heavy implying

that people who have less daughters are less responsive to feminism. Gee, looks like someone might have to tell the mothers of these children, many of whom you can find at the Bernie rallies.

[Art_from_Ark]

11. Was that a kitchen sink I just saw go whizzing by?

[TheBlackAdder]

30. It seems like they've gone past the kitchens and into the water closets--now throwing the bowls. nt

[restorefreedom]

35. we better start to duck! nt

[Fawke Em]

71. And all the food dust in it.

?168

[artislife]

64. Next they will be saying it is because we have few than 3 cats per household. nt

[DefenseLawyer]

2. More condescending nonsense

Telling voters that they are just too stupid and/or naive to really understand Hillary is probably the worst camping strategy since ever.

[kennetha]

4. that's just statistical analysis

[elehhhhna]

10. Not proving causation derp

Haha haha. Pathetic.

[Ruby the Liberal]

6. And yet they keep doubling down on it

So very Mark Penn-ish.

And stunning.

[Paulie]

17. With some Dick Morris too

Hi Ruby!!!

[Ruby the Liberal]

41. Who could forget the toe aficionado?

Was JUST thinking about you the other day. Eerie.

[Paulie]

49. I did too. How could I not, you're my sig line!

And you were my first heart given this season.

[Wig Master]

3. A lot of young people are delaying family formation because they can't afford it

[speaktruthtopower]

24. and they can't afford it

because they're paying off loans to the same banks that launched Hillary to the Senate and hire her to speak.

On the other hand they don't want to be sent to Central Asia by a Republican supported by the defense industry and come back maimed.

[ViseGrip]

7. WOW, do you believe this? More so they don't have daughters due to NAFTA

and no jobs, big ass loans, AND, they don't know her. When Hillary was running in 08, they were 10 yrs old! When she was first lady, they were busy being born. They don't know the Clinton's and can only look at their record. They don't like what they see. They are not rock stars in their world! Hardly.

[Perogie]

9. The comments are priceless

My favorite response to the article.....

Voting for Hillary because she is a female is like eating poo because it looks like a Tootsie Roll.

The desperation to get people to like her is so sad

[beam me up scottie]

12. What a crock of shit.

Stop vilifying Bernie supporters, you're going to need us if she wins the nomination and the constant deluge of stomach turning propaganda is making me less and less likely to vote for her come November.

[PonyUp]

14. Bullshit. I have both and sure as hell don't want my sons fighting one of Hillary's wars. n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

15. Yeegads...

[OrwellwasRight]

54. +1

[Autumn]

16. .

[farleftlib]

19. Horse manure

Even with all the "ifs, buts, possiblies, maybes, and could bes" in that article, it still doesn't add up to what the headline claims.

WaPo has been scraping the bottom to shill for Hill lately.

[noretreatnosurrender]

20. Too Funny

Thank you for the laugh. I'll have to tell my two daughters about this article. lol

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. Awwwwew....

You guys are really trying hard to be relevant.

[TCJ70]

22. I'm just barely outside that demographic...

...and the father of a daughter. GO BERNIE!

[NowSam]

23. I have a daughter and Choose Bernie

Case closed.

[Carolina]

25. What crap

WTF has HRC DONE?

Sure, she lived through the 'bad old days' ... so did a lot of us. I'm black and in my sixties, so I remember the double whammy of race and gender. Gender is no reason to vote for HER. She's the wrong woman.

[bettyellen]

29. For women? Maybe you should do some research because this shit is embarrassing.

[Carolina]

51. Oh really?

Maybe you need a refresher on Hillary's history! So for your edification, here goes:

First off, she rode Bill's coattails to power. He had the intellect (Georgetown Univ, Yale Law), charisma and natural ability to connect with people. Sure, she was smart, too (Wellesley, Yale Law), but that's it. After law school, she went to DC to work on the Nixon impeachment committee, but didn't last long in DC because she didn't pass the DC bar. She tells the story that she went to work for the Children's Defense Fund, but isn't it interesting that neither Marian Wright Edelman, it's founder, or Peter Edelman her husband who resigned his Clinton administration post over the Welfare 'Deform' Act have spoken on her behalf.

Anyway, back to the narrative. What did she do after leaving DC... she ran off to Arkansas! She chased after Bill because she recognized his rising star. He became governor and then POTUS and only through him, was she introduced to the nation.

When she ran for POTUS in 2008, she cited her 20 years of experience. Really?! First Lady of AK for 12 years and FLOTUS for 8 years. Oh, and she was a corporate lawyer at the Rose Law Firm where her client was Walmart -- that champion of women -- and where she relied heavily on Vince Foster.

Moving on, she could never have carpet bagged her way to the NY Senate seat had she not been FLOTUS. And her senate record is what? Aye votes for IWR, the Patriot Act and Bush's bankruptcy bill. They sure helped women!

Then there was her abysmal management and nasty conduct during the 2008 primary campaign. She was entitled, she was "in it to win it" and so arrogant that she claimed it would be over by Super Tuesday. But when it wasn't and she was losing, she resorted to the kitchen sink. She praised McCain and derided Obama as someone who gave pretty speeches. Despite the Party urging her to bow out gracefully, she said that she was going to stay in the race through the CA primary because "you never know... remember Bobby Kennedy..." Her insinuation (a rather veiled wish) that Obama might be assassinated like RFK was beyond classless and tasteless. It was evil. And when she finally, gracelessly bowed out, she did so on condition that the Obama people and DNC pay off her campaign debt. Some management skills, just like her Wall Street benefactors who f--- things up and then expect others pay for the disaster created.

As an aside, I was appalled that BHO chose her for SOS, but I think he'd been inspired by Lincoln's team of rivals and wanted to keep her busy and away. In so doing, she couldn't be a quasi-backbencher sniping at him. Yet, in the end, in that position, she was also terrible. Honduras, Libya and Syria are a mess. But HRC, the pro-MIC corporatist, never saw a war she didn't like. And last I checked, war is not good for women, children or men!

Hillary is nothing, and would have been nothing, without powerful men around or behind her. Her experience is largely derived from having married Bill; and her judgment when she has power has been awful.

She is also part of the Clinton legacy (the two for one, the 8 years of experience): DLC, NAFTA, Telecommunications Bill of 1996, Welfare Reform (not), and overturning Glass-Steagall! She and Bill kept Alan Greenspan at the Fed, placed the then Mr. Goldman Sucks Robert Reuben as head of treasury and hired as financial advisor that abominable Wall Streeter Larry Summers (who lost a $billion from Harvard's endowment!). We the people (the little people, lots of women) reaped the whirlwind of the 1999 Commodities Modernization Act which ended Glass-Steagall and which every repuke in the Senate voted for while every Dem -- save one -- voted NAY. But Bill signed it into law anyway, paying no heed to the Dems who said that this law would lead to disaster 10 years hence. Sure enough it did, harming women and families throughout the land. And Wall Street, Hillary's BFF, continues to be such a benefactor for women!

This is HRC's history, so please tell me, WTF has she done that is positive or constructive? She's in it for herself, she plays sexist gender politics, she lies about her alleged record, changes her mind with the political winds, and she is the worst sort of Democrat... a founder of the DLC and a triangulator to her core.

Don't tell me I need to do my homework; take off your rose-colored HRC glasses.

[OrwellwasRight]

57. This is a really good post and deserves a response.

Last edited Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:08 PM - Edit history (1)

I agree she often gets a pass on the fact that most of her experience comes form being "Bill's wife," as if that was some sort of accomplishment of hers.

[Carolina]

60. Thanks, OwR

I live in SC and I'm spreading this info far and wide as we approach the SC primary (2/27).

I am so tired of unfounded remarks about Hillary's leadership, experience and record. I am also tired of hearing that she's electable.

I am especially tired of some of my generation of women -- sadly even some of my friends -- who are considering voting for her because just she's a woman and it's about time. WTF?!

Bernie 2016!

[OrwellwasRight]

63. Agree 100%

I will not ever vote for someone because they share (or don't share) my gender, sexual orientation, skin tone, whatever.

It is about your principles & actions. Period.

Good luck in spreading the word. I know it is hard.

[bettyellen]

61. So there is nothing about women because you couldn't find the negative? Both Marian Wright

and Peter Edelman HAVE spoken on her behalf, despite their disagreement on welfare policy.

“CDF is pleased to recognize Hillary Rodham Clinton, who has been a tireless voice for children. She’s brilliant. She cares deeply about children. She perseveres. She’s an incredibly hard worker, and she stays with it. She’s done extraordinarily well in everything she’s ever done. and I’m just so proud of her,” said Marian Wright Edelman, President of the Children’s Defense Fund.

- See more at: http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-the-news/press-releases/2013/honoring-hillary-clinton.html#sthash.r8Y7OHHc.dpuf

“She would have been discovered no matter what happened,” says Peter Edelman, but he gave her one of her first big breaks.

Not sure I want to fact check the rest of it- stopped reading after that drivel about following her man to Arkansas. That is what you come up with when asked about her record on women's issues?
Fuck the lurid gossip and Vince Foster reference, it's RW trash.

[Carolina]

67. Drivel? Try again.

She went to Arkansas before they were married, so yes, she chased after him. So many women say she could have done anything, been anything on her own and that she made Bill. But au contraire, she is where she is because of him.

Typical to dismiss what doesn't conform to your view! But I am right about her votes, the wreckage she left in her wake at State and her coziness with Wall Street. And you have yet to prove what she's done that illustrates she's a fighter for anyone else beside herself and her ambition.

BTW... that CDF press release is dated 2013!
There have been crickets thus far in 2016!

[bettyellen]

72. I'm not interested in listen to your study of her personal life since it proves you have avoided

learning about her long record of advocacy on women's issues. I called you on your ignorance on her accomplishments, and you posted lies and gossip as 2/3 of your response.
Yeah, as I said, you need to do your homework. If you are going to stump for Bernie you need to have relevant information about the candidate- not back biting personal gossip and veiled references to Vince Foster. That was a real classy little non sequitur.

[Carolina]

75. Pathetic

I have called you on your ignorance of facts. You just can't handle the truth. HRC's advocacy consists of speeches and her say so. What has she DONE... enrich herself and pad her resume.

BTW, unlike your empty posts, fellow DUers have recommended that I make mine an OP. I was initially responding to another poster when you stuck your insulting reply in, but answering/refuting your nonsense is a waste of my time.

[bettyellen]

82. Your summary of her career reads like a Lifetime movie. Refute your own inaccuracies before making

an OP though please. And research the candidates beyond People magazine, please.

[DonCoquixote]

65. please make this it's own op

It deserves the recs.

[bettyellen]

73. Well if she fixes the lies about MWE- and maybe add more about Vince Foster and off course

expand on how she had to "follow" her future husband like a geisha, LOL. Yeah, then it will go over real big.
But fix the Edelman lies first.

[Carolina]

78. Thanks DC!

Did you notice be's comment that I correct my Edelman lies. What hooey? She cited a CDF release from 2013 that says nothing about the 2016 race. Neither Edelman has yet to come out and publicly endorse HRC. Guess they don't wish to demean and disgrace themselves the way Steinem and Albright (all wrong) have.

[DonCoquixote]

81. such people do nto speak for all Clinton supporters

such as some people do not speak for all bernie supporters,

but Lord do those like we have seen (not naming any names of course)show a vicious and outright authoritarian streak, combining all the "how darest thou" of preachers and all the efficiency of Mao's red Guards.

[H2O Man]

26. c'mon

[Fumesucker]

27. Your heart

Bless it.

[islandmkl]

28. "I don't have any facts to back this up...but I will defend to the end of my keyboard

my right to post as much of this crap as I can."

[Yurovsky]

31. Absolute and complete BS. Show me a causal relationship...

you won't, because you can't.

Just more shit being shoveled by the hacks at HRC's secret lair.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

33. Yet again, way off the mark.

THE key reason so many people of all ages don't support is because of what she has said and what she has done. Nothing more, nothing less. Speculative claptrap like this doesn't shed light on anything.

[Kip Humphrey]

34. Aw, those daughters would be millennials. You might want to look at those numbers.

[unapatriciated]

36. bs

I have four children and one is omg female...and guess what both of us, my sister and four daughter-inlaws support Sanders. No that is not a mis-type...I have four daughter-laws.

[Shandris]

37. It's funny as hell that the 'professionals' can't figure out why the youth have turned on the...

...Establishment. It's like they think my crack about forgetting to tell the youth they were only teasing about all those promises is just a joke or a one-liner instead of a somewhat humorous explanation for a disgusting trend that they did to themselves.

No, it has nothing to do with daughters. It has to do with authenticity. She has none. Few of the Priesthood do.

"In related news, the reason the youth doesn't vote for Hillary is because there are fewer pirates flying the Jolly Roger on wooden boats these days! Check out this graph that shows there are fewer pirates!"

Edit: It also occurs to me, in hindsight, to add that most of them are quite literate at media, since it's been being used to try to control them for years. Unfortunately, they learned your tactics and learned them for a new medium that you can't even begin to grasp. Bad call, sunshine.

[MuseRider]

38. I thought the major

political theater poster was gone for a while?

I don't know how many ways you can frame Bernie or his supporters but I find it very sad that your candidate is so difficult that this is how you have to fight.

Day after day.

There are MANY reasons to dislike Hillary. I don't even have the time to post them all. You cannot make her look good like this. You also cannot change the dialog, if this is indeed one of the reasons perhaps she should have thought about reaching them in ways that were palatable and addressed their concerns rather than addressing everything with a me or an I.

[Avalux]

39. Nope. That's not it. I have three grown daughters.

I am supporting Bernie because of them - because I want them to actually have a future.

This ridiculous explanation is just another attack on young women. They're not voting for Hillary because they don't trust her.

[Andy823]

40. I don't agree with that

I think the main reason younger voters are supporting Bernie is that he has promised them a lot of things, like free college, Medicare for all, higher wages, etc. These are all things that younger voters would be attracted to. They may not realize that those things are not going to come as soon as they think they will. It will take years to get a congress that will help Bernie pass those kind of things, and may not come to be during a two term presidency if Bernie were to win the WH.

[gelatinous cube]

44. Whether or not these changes comes soon

does not matter to me. I realize that it will not be instantaneous, that it will require time an effort, but every journey starts with a single step. Is the alternative any better? "It's going to take too long/ it's too hard, so let's not try at all". Sorry, but giving up or not trying is hardly an option.
I don't care if I don't get free college. I don't care if I don't get single-payer health care within 8 years. I don't care if I'm not paid $15 for my first full-time job. But I do care if my sons or daughters and everyone else lives in a polluted world, being paid $7.60 and getting loans that will last a lifetime because I never bothered to fight for change. I support Bernie, whether or not I receive immediate benefits from it. I am not the only person who exists, or will exist, and I have a responsibility to them too.

Let's change something. Go Bernie.

[farleftlib]

42. The gender of the voter doesn't matter, the gender of the voter's children doesn't matter.

Hillary is a deeply compromised candidate. That is all.

[Dems to Win]

43. Sorry, I can't see electing Hillary as a good lesson for girls

I don't want to send this message to girls:

Any girl can grow up to be president in America. First step is to find and marry a man who will be president first!

[dana_b]

45. bullcrap

I have a 26 y.o. daughter, I'm a woman, she supports Bernie, I support Bernie, her two best female friends support Bernie, my sister and her daughter support Bernie... I guess we're all sexists!!

[jillan]

46. Lol! That's good! I am old and I have daughters and I support Bernie. OH NO!

[hobbit709]

47. What you going to toss out next?

there's not much left unless you really want to get nasty.

[lumberjack_jeff]

48. This phenomenon only appears to kick in at the granddaughter stage. n/t

[TTUBatfan2008]

50. Nah...

About $400m in corporate contributions during her family's political career.
NAFTA
Subprime lending
Welfare "reform"
PATRIOT Act
Iraq War
PATRIOT Act Part 2
Bank bailouts
Robert Rubin
Larry Summers
John Podesta
Only POTUS candidate in history with an open FBI investigation.
This ludicrous claim that corporate contributions only corrupts the Republicans.
Insulting the intelligence of younger voters.

[Glamrock]

52. Curses!

Foiled by boys yet again!

[CoffeeCat]

55. ***My two daughters are WHY I support Sanders!***

Are you flipping kidding me! Clinton means status quo and watching our democracy descend into corporate hell! Sanders is our chance for our daughter to have a decent future!

Many of these young women who are voting for Bernie may very well be mothers!

Some of them may not be mothers, but they are all concerned about the future, for sure--which is why they're Supporting Sanders and running as far from Clinton as they can get!

It's odd. This talking point is suggesting that there's something "off" or deficient about these women because they are for Sanders. An overwhelming 84 percent majority of them are supporting Sanders. There's CLEARLY something wrong with Hillary Clinton!

[tblue37]

56. I am an old ady with a daughter--and I support Bernie! nt

[dana_b]

58. This is so insulting and condescending

I have an adult daughter, my sister has an adult daughter and my best friend has an adult daughter and we are ALL voting for Bernie! I guess that makes the three of us stupid, anti feminists who are filling our daughters' empty heads with self loathing and sexist rhetoric.

[Bjornsdotter]

59. I have a 26 year old daughter

.....we both are "feeling the Bern".

[tokenlib]

62. Garbage is too nice a word for this post n/t

[kath]

87. Well, here's the most appropriate response to this post:

( saw Blazing Saddles (again) on the big screen last week - such a treat!)

[jfern]

68. Young women don't understand young women because they don't have a daughter?

Just LOL at that argument!

[dflprincess]

69. I believe it sums it up

Doesn't explain the number of Boomer women I know who have daughters and granddaughters who are supporting Bernie - but I'm sure someone will come up with an explanation.

[jen63]

86. This is also why

Steinem's remark was offensive to me. She not only disparaged millennial women, but also the mothers and grandmothers who raised them. Those young women didn't just appear through a vacuum.

[Fawke Em]

70. What crap.

I have a son and a daughter and I'm female.

What kind of psychobabble is this?

[JPnoodleman]

74. Won't these young women just be too darn slutty and vote for Sanders?

I mean Gloria Steinem said that young women are literally only able to think about sex and getting laid.

[Warren DeMontague]

76. I have a daughter, and I support Senator Sanders.

But nice try.

[leveymg]

77. Lame. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

79. I have three grown daughters,

and I support Senator Sanders.

[Skinner]

80. Interesting.

It never really crossed my mind that there might be a correlation between having a daughter and supporting Hillary. But I guess it makes sense. Doesn't appear to be an insignificant effect either.

[formernaderite]

83. I have daughters AND sons

and grand babies of both sexes... that's why my wife and I are Both supporting Bernie!

[TipTok]

84. Madeline... Is that you?

[Land Shark]

85. I have a teenager daughter and support Bernie. What the heck?