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nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:40 PM Feb 2016

Sometimes it's what you know for sure that just ain't so


Sometimes it's what you know for sure that just ain't so
Brook Hines | nashville_brook

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“....And the nomination is going to Rand Paul. You watch, this is what I do for a living.”
Chris Matthews, Hardball, 2013


The pundits who enlighten and amuse political junkies like myself can’t be faulted for predictions are wildly off-base from time to time. If it’s your job to discuss politics 24-7, there will be boners such as the one above uttered by Chris Matthews in 2013 when he foretold of a GOP nomination for Rand Paul.

What was silly, though, were the predictions heard during the New Hampshire Primary returns that “Clinton is still going to be the nominee,” uttered in the midst of what would become a 22-point loss. I mean, ride those establishment narratives for all they're worth, if you feel you must. They might actually pan out.

Surprisingly, one political pundit who didn’t stand-pat on the establishment narrative Tuesday night was Chris Matthews. When Sanders was declared the winner, Matthews responded, “Sanders is emerging — perhaps — as the front-runner,” and then he launched into a detailed discussion of Bernie’s campaign mojo rising. Andrea Mitchell (of all people) heaped praise on Sanders’ ground game in South Carolina, noting that his operation is way beyond what anyone expected—as if they envisioned taco stands. Later there was a circular encounter group with their field correspondents led by Rachel Maddow and Andrea Mitchell, coming clean about how they suspected all along that Sanders had it in him.

None of this Bernie-love could have been predicted to anyone paying attention to MSNBC. Just 24 hours prior, MSNBC had provided a wall-to-wall infomercial for the Clinton campaign. A little over a week prior, Matthews was red-baiting Sanders in a one-on-one interview with Hillary. For the Hardball host to reverse course and give Sanders a second look, was due to the fact that Sanders took New Hampshire by more than 20 points. But there's more to the story.

I think another aspect that impressed Team MSNBC was that the exit polling revealed a plurality of trouble for Clinton. Sanders got 7 percent more women voting for him than Hillary. That’s a lot of ladies burning in hell. Of people under 30, the Senator won 83 percent. Self-described liberals went for Sanders to the tune of 67 percent, and Independents (a.k.a. swing voters) chose him by 73 percent. He also held his own among minority voters with 48 percent of the vote to Hillary’s 53. Here’s the kicker, 92 percent of voters said they chose Sanders because they see him as honest and trustworthy, and 82 percent said that he cares about people like them. Those numbers show he’s made the deep connection. This is not something Clinton can fix by tweaking her messaging, or firing staff. This goes deep into issues of character.

What should be even more distressing to Team Clinton is the fact that she didn’t carry one single county in New Hampshire, not even in the North Country that’s been so kind to her in the past.

After weeks and months of promoting Clinton as inevitable, and Sanders as a Socialist fool, it must have been painful for MSNBC to switch gears so dramatically. But they did it, and they did it well. It was fantastic television because these are the smartest people you will see commenting on politics on the TV box. I’m glad that, for whatever reason, they’ve been released from the gravitation pull of Pack Journalism, because, this is how you get the destructive phenomena of the inevitable candidate in the first place.

Doesn’t it seem like there should be a better way to choose our leader than through Pack Journalism offering up inevitable (and inevitably weak) candidates? Remember the inevitable Hillary Clinton 2008 when she was running against a black, first-term Senator with a vaguely Muslim-sounding name? There was absolutely no way Barrack Hussein Obama could pose a threat to the formidable Clinton machine, with all of her endorsements, consultants, experience and PAC money.

Then Obama won Iowa, which wasn’t supposed to happen. After that, he won South Carolina, but this victory was explained away by race, much as Sanders’ New Hampshire win has been, because of course a black man won the heavily African American vote in The Palmetto State. Next Obama won 13 of the 24 Super Tuesday states in 2008, and Whoa! Suddenly, the pundits and super-delegates who had already punched their dance cards for Hillary embarrassingly had to reconsider. At this point, Clinton’s obnoxiously defensive campaign crouch probably made those flips easier to flop.

I’ve heard it said that the bright spot in the Hillary Clinton’s New Hampshire loss is that it will make her a stronger candidate going forward. Well, okay. If you must. But just to let you know, there’s a candidate who is pulling huge enthusiastic crowds, with a message that is resonating with the zeitgeist. I realize the 90s hold a mystical appeal for many, but it’s time to move on. Those of us who lived through the 90s remember when Hillary was “co-president"—NAFTA, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, the Defense of Marriage Act, the End of Welfare As We Know It, mass incarceration, deregulation of telecommunications, and deregulation of Wall Street, were just a few Clintonian Greatest Hits.

The Clinton way is to never be out-flanked on the right on policy, foreign or domestic. I believe the Republican Party in this country wouldn’t have become so crazy if it hadn’t been for the Clinton’s rightward push. The further they triangulated, the more territory the GOP had to stake out in the wacko hinterlands. And don’t believe for a second this happened while progressives were asleep at the wheel. Remember the WTO protests? The Battle in Seattle?

Right now, Hillary is in trouble and when that happens she lashes out, with the effect of dividing Democrats. I’m at the point where I feel like I’m watching a horror movie, and I want to look away because I know the next scene is when there’s going to be splatter. South Carolina is where they have traditionally employed their dog whistles and they’ve made every indication that they’re pulling out the stops and getting nasty in the hopes of stopping the Sanders Express. I’d hoped they’d rise above this history, given how high the stake are around issues of race—and maybe they still will. We shall see.

There’s no reason the Clinton campaign can’t improve its performance without employing dog whistles. I’d like to see them do something they’ve not done yet: tell us what the campaign stands for. Tell the B-Team — David Brock and Sidney Blumenthal — to set aside the dark arts and just focus on fundamentals. What’s your vision? Why should we care?

Also, if we want to come out of 2016 intact, the Democratic Party needs to protect the popular vote in the primaries. Numerous stories since the New Hampshire drubbing have reported the threat that Superdelegates will push Bernie aside no matter what voters decide. Clearly, this is meant to dampen enthusiasm for Sanders. I believe it's an empty threat. Superdelegates only represent 15 percent of the total count, and they tend to move with the popular vote, regardless. Moreover, the media professionals peddling this script do so at their own risk because it plays right into Sanders’ narrative that The Establishment is not serving the interest of regular people.

If the Democratic Party launches an alternate candidate or brokers a convention, they risk destroying the fresh green shoots that Bernie Sanders is growing in the party. Worse, snuffing out a Sanders nomination won fair and square, is a sure way to make a Sanders coalition of Dems and NPAs magically disappear in the general which could lead to a Cruz or Trump presidency. I can easily imagine this turning people off of the Democratic brand for good. Think of all those packed arenas, the under-30 voters, the liberal wing of the party. Now wave goodbye.

Our job should not be to divide. Our job should be to bring people together.

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Sometimes it's what you know for sure that just ain't so (Original Post) nashville_brook Feb 2016 OP
K&R..... daleanime Feb 2016 #1
I think this ad Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #2
Hey "NB"! Good to see you around here, once again! KoKo Feb 2016 #3
Great post but disagree with 2 points. Skwmom Feb 2016 #4
i agree on both points nashville_brook Feb 2016 #7
Yes. MSNBC sure seemed DirkGently Feb 2016 #11
Perfect Mark Twain quote. DirkGently Feb 2016 #5
Its used at the beginning of "The Big Short" too, Go Vols Feb 2016 #17
Aha! We just watched that. DirkGently Feb 2016 #18
Omg -- of course. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #19
MSNBC sure did "switch gears dramatically." DirkGently Feb 2016 #6
part of it is that there must be a HORSERACE for there to be television nashville_brook Feb 2016 #8
And just as in sports, when things don't go the way DirkGently Feb 2016 #9
do you remember when Maddow was blistered by Pres Obama nashville_brook Feb 2016 #10
I feel like Hillary sees "ownership" running the other way. DirkGently Feb 2016 #12
her "data driven" campaign is betting that no one nashville_brook Feb 2016 #13
I just think if Hillary wants a contest as to who's been "mean" to Obama, DirkGently Feb 2016 #14
oh! for sure, i wasn't even tracking that. spot on. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #15
Didn't mean to drag off topic! DirkGently Feb 2016 #16
 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
2. I think this ad
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:21 PM
Feb 2016

may educate a few people, I hope.

nashville_brook, I agree with the content in your entire post

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
4. Great post but disagree with 2 points.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:57 PM
Feb 2016

1. Pack Journalism isn't what delivers the candidate. It's corp. media. Firing Ed Schultz sure had a chilling affect based on the actions of the talking edges surely thereafter.

2. The Clinton's rise above history given how high the stakes are around the issues of race. Not a snowball's chance in hell. I truly think Pres. Bernie will talk to the nation about what is happening in the black community and the majority of Americans will support him in trying to right the situation. It is horrific what is happening in the black community.




nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
7. i agree on both points
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:11 AM
Feb 2016

corp media creates packs journalism. we went from 90 media companies when i was in school to 6 now. talk about chilling. one of my main interests was radio...doop de doo.

on #2, let's just call that creating space in an essay -- an, "imagine if" moment, without saying "imagine it" b/c i say that way too much. but it's critical that we differentiate the two on this issue, and be very clear about it. they are taking very different paths...why is that? personally, i think that HRC wants to keep people divided b/c that way they're not paying attention to her actual policy.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
11. Yes. MSNBC sure seemed
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:49 AM
Feb 2016

to have some kind of edict going on, at least for a while there. It was telling to me that Rachel Maddow remarked at length how her show had never been able to get any time with Hillary Clinton until (this was implied) the shine was off Clinton's initial overwhelming superiority in the primary.

I don't see either Rachel or Chris Hayes as having personally been "in the tank" for anyone, but the focus of the coverage was positively odd for a while there. 20 minutes of Trump's empty chair while Sanders is giving a live speech elsewhere?

Matthews is another story. I don't think he's tried to hide his preference for Hillary, to which he is entitled, but he had a moment somewhere between Iowa and New Hampshire in which he clearly decided he couldn't lean any further without looking like he didn't know what he was talking about, which is a line he does not want to cross.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
17. Its used at the beginning of "The Big Short" too,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

that I watched again last nite.

Good insight on how the financial crisis of 2007–2008 happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Short_%28film%29

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
6. MSNBC sure did "switch gears dramatically."
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not generally on the "MSM conspiracy" train, but I was taken aback by Matthews and even Chris Hayes to a degree, waxing so dismissive of the "74-yr-old Socialist."

And wow, did they ever go with the wall-to-wall Trump coverage. It was only a couple of weeks ago that they literally showed an empty chair at the Trump indie debate for what seemed like hours, while Sanders was giving a speech, and talked about the empty chair instead.

Matthews' about-face was positively violent. You could almost see him crumbling. This is a man who wants above all things to seem like he sees everything coming, when it couldn't be clearer that he didn't.



nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
8. part of it is that there must be a HORSERACE for there to be television
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:32 AM
Feb 2016

but the other part is that no serious political commentator can deny how deep Sanders went into HRC's demographic territory.

analysts were looking particularly at the north country, the women's vote, and "swing voters." he crushed it on all counts.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
9. And just as in sports, when things don't go the way
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:38 AM
Feb 2016

... the "experts" have been predicting, they blithely flip around and act as if they saw it coming all along.

"Well, Jim, it's just like I've been saying. That other team I said before had no chance and didn't even deserve to compete has a lot of moxie. This was really the only way it could have gone today."



I do give MSNBC a little credit for sitting around in their little circle the other night and trying discuss just exactly how badly they had understood things, but it still shows that even the smarter commentators like Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow get sucked into (or asked to be sucked into) the easy narrative to begin with.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
10. do you remember when Maddow was blistered by Pres Obama
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:49 AM
Feb 2016

in her first interview with him post-election when she asked about the status of the promised progressive agenda. he came back headtedly with a "progressives don't own me" kind of response.

i think of this a lot when i watch the election coverage b/c i believe there was, and should be an amount of "ownership." politicians promise things, and they position themselves in certain ways to get elected.

right now HRC is aligning herself with identity groups writ large. if you're an identity group, HRC wants to sell you a campaign. but, i don't quite understand what the content is of what she's selling within the campaign. what's the vision, if not a seat at the table?

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
12. I feel like Hillary sees "ownership" running the other way.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

I'd like to hear less about how Hillary is automatically progressive because she was in the Obama administration (after trying to tear Obama's throat out for being a naïve dreamer in 2008) or better at civil rights or gender issues because has gathered endorsements from her colleagues.

It increasingly sounds to me like Clinton not only doesn't feel beholden to progressives or anyone else, but that she is declaring she will tell US what's progressive. What goals we are permitted to undertake. How much "hope and change" is appropriate.

It's a question of whether people should own their leaders, or the other way 'round.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
13. her "data driven" campaign is betting that no one
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

thinks beneath the surface of "i like obama just fine." the fact is that there's plenty of progressive change to be hoped for beyond his presidency. he's not leaving us with a utopia and it's silly to suggest otherwise.

but that's not the rhetorical tactic. she just wants to use him as a political sheild. if you get into the details she'll lose the arguement.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
14. I just think if Hillary wants a contest as to who's been "mean" to Obama,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:41 PM
Feb 2016

she ought to get one. Let's bring out the "dressed in his native garb" photo. Let's talk about her claims to the "hard working white people" vote. Let's examine all the same claims about "hope and change" being naïve pipedreams we heard the last time around.

I find the confidence that people have no memory and cannot think pretty appalling.
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