Here's the major reason Hillary Clinton isn't winning over young voters.

[Warren DeMontague]

http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-young-voters-bernie-sanders/1378560/

So, why is she struggling so much to win over young voters?

It’s simple: Clinton fails to instill this generation with hope.

That’s the difference between her and Sanders. He succeeds in stirring the passions of young people, and she makes them feel like they’re drinking flat soda.

[upaloopa]

1. When I was a kid and I wanted something I went

to one parent and begged for it. If they said no I went to the other one playing my parents against each other. I didn't care whether my folks could afford it or not.

If one of them gave in I liked them the best.

But once I wanted a new bike. My dad brought home $60 a week and could not afford a new bike for me. So my folks got me a part time job to pay for it. They let me keep what ever I made. I bought myself a new bike.

I think Hillary is like that. She wants students to have some skin in the game.

Of course that would be less appealing.

I can never thank my folks enough for what they taught me.

[DemocraticWing]

2. I didn't know Scott Walker posted here.

Students should have some "skin in the game." Well maybe elementary school students should as well, instead of getting a FREE RIDE from these SOCIALIST ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS in America. The anti-business child labor laws prevent them from learning good values!

[Warren DeMontague]

7. You haven't read the posts about "SANDERS SUPPORTERS WANT FREE STUFF! SOCIALISM ZOMG!!11"

It's like a grover norquist, club for growth bonanza at times.

[upaloopa]

14. We see things differently

So does Hillary and Bernie.

Voters will decide for us.

[hifiguy]

17. Well, look at how Germany's education system has failed.

And those of most of Europe. Who'd want to emulate THAT?

[upaloopa]

24. You should compare us and Germany in many more ways.

Using that single idea that other countries do it isn't very enlightening. You need to have more in that story. Maybe like cultural differences or population size.

I think "other countries do it" is a lazy argument.

[hifiguy]

25. Germany is a populous, diverse country and a highly technological advanced economy.

Therefore, unlike a Norway or a Finland, much smaller countries both economically and in population, it makes sense to look at Germany as a comparator.

The German system is clearly superior to that of the US. Workers are represented on the boards of major companies, unions are strong, the social safety net is infinitely better, corporations cannot walk away from responsibilities to their workers. Millions are not left without access to health care or bankrupted even if they have some sort of "insurance" the purpose of which is to profit the insurer, not to benefit the insured. Higher education is readily available to those who make the grade, and without crippling, lifelong debt.

These things are the results of policy choices made by the government going all the way back to Adenauer, and in some cases, such as the social safety net, all the way back to Otto von Bismarck.

The United States is the richest country in the history of the world. Why aren't the people, as opposed to the billionaire/parasite class, seeing more of that which THEY, not the b/p class, have built?

The status quo is intolerable.

[upaloopa]

42. I studied global economics in graduate school. What you are talking about is that Germany follows

the "stakeholders wealth maximization" model. Stakeholders there are neighbors, suppliers, workers, owners and customers. I think it is a very noble model. We follow the "shareholders wealth maximization" model. Shareholders are the owners. We have been following that model since we won our independence from England. We even export that model where ever we can.

You and I will be dust before we change to the stakeholder's wealth maximization model. I hope we can do it in the future but Bernie sure as hell isn't going to change us in the next 9 years.

[hifiguy]

43. A journey of a thousand miles

Begins with a single step.

And it is well past time to get going.

[Warren DeMontague]

6. It would be a relatively simple matter for her, for example, to come out for sanity on marijuana.

A majority of Americans support legalization, and the current conflict between federal and state law is untenable and needs to be resolved- not just because federal law is in conflict with the 4 states that have legalized for recreational use, but also the half or so states with medical marijuana laws.

Hillary's half-hearted statements on the matter are better than DWS's doubling down on putting pot smokers in prison, to be sure, but HRC has done the bare minimum in terms of addressing what is shaping up to be a pretty big issue in November. Changing from Schedule I to II does little more than create more opportunity for big pharma to make money off cannabis derivatives. It certainly doesn't protect terminally ill cancer grannies from being sent to prison for smoking a joint.



AND she would make inroads with younger voters if she were to adopt more clarity on it, as well.

Unfortunately it is not in the Clinton political DNA, apparently, to adopt anything resembling a bold stance on what might have been a "controversial issue" in 1994.

[upaloopa]

13. There is a reason why you don't support Hillary.

I get that. You know what she stands for if you have watched the debates.

Vote for who you like and I will to.

I don't believe in Bernie's vision so I am not supporting him.

[Odin2005]

22. Hillary doesn't stand for anything.

All she cares about is power.

[ladjf]

35. Millions of Americans have been studying the wealth inequality issue as well as

most of the other unfair issues that Bernie talks about for decades. The problem is that we didn't have a like minded leader to help pull us out of our terrible situation. Many of us had hoped that John Kennedy would lead us forward, and maybe he would have had he not been killed by political thugs.

Bernie's revolution started long before Bernie started running for President.

He has given us Hope for the first time in many years. We aren't going to welsh out on Bernie just because the task might be "hard".

Sec. Clinton and her main "hit man", former President Clinton seem to be willing to do anything possible to stop Senator Sanders.
(By the way, I can not recall any former American President getting so involved in political "mud fighting" as Pres. Clinton.)

I don't think that the Clinton's worn out strategies of the past are going to work for them. I paraphrase Buddha when I say that
speaking ill of someone is like spitting into the wind, the vitriol sprayed out will blow back into their faces.

My advice to the Clinton people is to stop your campaign, join Bernie in helping the Democrats defeat the Republican Bozos.
(I don't expect the Clintons will follow my recommendations.)

[upaloopa]

38. I won't be taking your advice thank you

Bernie can tell me until hell won't have it what the problems are. His solution is to get millions of people to demand change.

Those millions don't need Bernie to demand change. If they were going to rise up they would have done it by now.

I kept telling myself all through the Bush years that the people will have had enough at some point and rise up. It hasn't happened and it won't happen. I grew up in the 50's and 60's and I saw people rise up. Today's Americans don't have it in them. They are too afraid of taking a risk. And another thing. The revolutions in women's rights and civil rights were won by taking real risks and fighting not for themselves but for those who would come after. Bernie's revolution in terms of young people is free college and health care. Hell who wouldn't want that if you were college age. There is a whole lot more people out there with needs and wants that Bernie isn't talking about.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. I've been watching her a lot longer than just "the debates", man.

That's part of the problem. I've been a plugged in, political animal for quite a long time, TYVM.

[upaloopa]

39. as we all have

[restorefreedom]

10. no, she wants POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS students to have skin in the game

by working 10 hours a week when they should be full time students

rich kids, of course, will not have to worry about that with their parents picking up the tab.

[one_voice]

18. I babysat more than 10 hours a week when

I was in high school.

Both my kids worked when they were in college & grad school. One was on the dean's list every semester. the other was on the dean's list every semester except one. their degrees are in finance.

They worked more than 10 hours a week. They worked full time while in grad school.

I'm not rich, very, very, very, far from it. They're both doing very well. Nothing wrong with working while in college. They would have taken that offer in a hot minute if it meant no student loans.

[restorefreedom]

29. there is nothing wrong with working, i agree

whats wrong imo is perpetuating a system where the people with less HAVE to work during college to get their classes while the upper class can decide whether they want to or not.

no one would suggest that high schoolers should have to work in order to go to school. college should be a continuation of that (or trade school)

[Odin2005]

12. This is the same kind of boostraps crap Repukes use against Welfare.

[hifiguy]

20. Excellent point.

I thought I'd heard that rhetoric before.

[DefenseLawyer]

19. As Hillary would say, you went from "dependence to dignity" n/t

[OZi]

26. Special interests seem to get what they want no matter which parent they go to.

The voters get: "It's too hard! We can't do that! Oh well, thanks for voting though."

[cui bono]

30. That's so condescending to millennials.

They don't need Hillary to 'teach' them life's lessons. They're living it more than she is.

.

[Skwmom]

3. Based on the young voters I talk to it's a lot more than that. nn/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Based on the ones I talk to you are correct

but this is part of it... albeit I would say a minor part of it.

[cali]

44. Definitely

[hollysmom]

4. I believe it is something different

now this is an opinion with no proof, but
these kids have grown up with t he media basically saying the Clintons are not trustworthy, Always under a shadow, which is why it is better to have slipped under the republican radar because they fight every up and coming democrat smearing them with dirt, deserved or not.
I just think when you are young you tend to believe what you here and other people more than you do when you get older - now, this is not true for everyone ,I have a 75 year of friend that can recite everything ever said on FOX and most younger people are smarter than that, but until you get burned by false rumors, it is easy to not question the source every time. If Clinton wins the primary, I dread all the old dirt coming back up so much rumor and innuendo so ridiculous but with the gravitas of having been in the media for decades.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. Well I'm not a young voter, but I can tell you I liked Hillary Clinton a lot MORE in the 90s.

And she was certainly being hit with all sorts of right wing noise machine smears back then.

Funny, something apparently happened between 2001-2009, that made me feel differently about her. Perhaps coincidentally, that was the time when she was voting for the Iraq War, making noises about marriage being "a sacred bond between a man and a woman", and sponsoring inanities like flag burning legislation.

Go figure.

[hollysmom]

11. Well, that would be when she got into politics herself and felt she had

to alter her opinions around to "get along", maybe it the people she now spent all her time with that gave her a false echo chamber. Its like when people get famous and then they don't want to lose the fame and some people are now surrounded by other stars and hanger ons, while some people go home and hang out with the people that have always been friends but have their own lives.
YOU are influenced by people around you, you just have to be selective of who those people are - i.e. never Henry Kissinger.

[Odin2005]

15. I think she sold her soul for power when she became an elected politician.

Sometime in the late 90s she decided that she was going to be president come hell or high water and she would do anything, no matter how terrible, to achieve that end. She is like Nixon, she has no principles, all she cares about is power.

[hifiguy]

23. It started before that.

She's been fixated on and consumed with the idea of being the first woman president since Election Day 1992 and has been running every day for 24 years. Much like Richard Nixon, another individual obsessed with, and thinking he deserved, the WH, she has done everything she can do, selling parts of her soul to any devil she thinks might be able to advance her toward that goal. She has now been running for the presidency a bit longer than Tricky Dick, who set his eyes on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave when he was Ike's running mate in 1952.

For some, the fever to be president overrides every moral and ethical precept - power in itself becomes the only remaining goal. Particularly when someone thinks they are entitled to the office. And that fever/addiction to power is an immensely dangerous and destructive thing.

She's slowly morphed into the Democratic Party's Richard Nixon. There is no other way to say it.

[jeff47]

37. "These kids" don't watch the media you watch.

They don't trust Clinton because they have seen her take both sides of an issue on YouTube over and over again.

[temporary311]

8. Don't know if its the reason, but I'm sure it's a reason.

I don't fall under the "young voter" umbrella myself, but I'm not excited about going from "Yes We Can" to "Don't Even Try."

[Warren DeMontague]

9. I thought it was an interesting piece, myself, that's all.

I copied the headline for the OP, I don't necessarily agree with the sweeping nature of the statement. I agree, I think there are numerous reasons. Still, it's a good read.

[Roy Ellefson]

21. Old guy here...

old guy here...she's lost my vote....ever...sorry I can't abide by their nasty Rovian tactics...despicable.

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. Posted to for later. eom

[jwirr]

28. She tells them she will do it while Bernie tells them

that we will go down the path together.

[cui bono]

31. I hear her saying she can't do it. n/t

[jwirr]

32. You are correct. I was trying to point out that she does not

want to work with them - she wants to be totally free to do what she wants - to follow the corporations.

[cui bono]

34. Agree. n/t

[onecaliberal]

33. This generation knows she is bought and paid for, they want better than that.

[Bonobo]

40. Young people haven't given up yet. From their perspective, she's tired. nt

[jillan]

41. And she is so condescending. omg. She talks down to people.