2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSuperdelegates were meant to give less power to "insurgents", more to party's insiders.
From an article from How Stuff Works.
Superdelegate Pros and Cons
Superdelegates are simply "unpledged voters." Their vote represents their own choice, rather than the wishes of the voters, and these unpledged delegates can pledge their votes as they see fit.
Superdelegates have to consider how to use their votes carefully. They may:
Vote in step with how the voters in the majority of states voted
Vote in line with Democratic voters nationwide
Vote in favor of the candidate with the most pledged delegates, even if it is just a slim majority.
....What's the point of having superdelegates in the first place? Explains Willie Brown, former mayor of San Francisco, "You have superdelegates because You don't want bleed-over from the Green Party, the independents and others in deciding who your nominee will be" (source: CNN). Brown cites the ability of undeclared or non-Democrat voters in some states to cast a vote in Democratic primaries or caucuses. The logic follows that if enough of these nonaffiliated voters cast ballots, voters outside the Democratic Party could decide the nominee.
Adding superdelegates to the convention provides a countermeasure against such an event. Since superdelegates are all registered Democrats (and usually elected officials), it's reasonable to assume they wouldn't vote contrary to Democratic Party lines. But to some, the power superdelegates have to sway a nomination flies in the face of a democratic process. "If the superdelegates go against the popular will of the voters, whoever emerges as 'victor' will enter the presidential election shorn of democratic legitimacy and devoid of electoral credibility" warned columnist Gary Younge during the 2008 race" (source: Guardian).
More details on how and why the Superdelegates began. It is from a review of
Reinventing Democrats:The Politics of Liberalism from Reagan to Clinton
It was part of the power grab of the Democratic Party by the Democratic Leadership Council.
Game Plan
If you imagine the DLC as a team, then the captain would have to be Al From. A veteran of the Carter administration, From took over the House Democratic Caucus after the 1980 elections with visions of rejuvenating his ailing party. He had some natural allies. As Baer points out, there were at least three strains of Democratic pols who felt the party needed redirection---Southern Democrats like Sen. Sam Nunn and Sen. Lawton Chiles, neoconservatives like Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and neoliberals like Rep. Tim Wirth and Sen. Gary Hart. Although they came to their views from different angles, they wound up agreeing on many of the same positions: They believed that the Democratic Party should be tougher on crime and foreign policy, less spendthrift with entitlements, and less indulgent of entrenched special interests like civil servants and unions. They also thought that moving the party in this direction would "restore its electoral viability" with the middle class that had deserted it for Ronald Reagan.
How did a group of elite politicians and operatives transform a political party?
First, they gave themselves a little bit of distance. After several unsuccessful attempts to influence the party establishment from within, the reformers formed the DLC as an extra-party organization in 1985. This avoided what Bruce Babbitt referred to as the "Noah's Ark problem"---the need to satisfy diverse constituents by taking representative positions on behalf of each one. They could also raise their own money (which DLC honchos like Virginia's Chuck Robb were notably good at), start their own think tank (the Progressive Policy Institute), and publicize their own views without tangling with the cumbersome Party bureaucracy.
Second, they worked the rules. They pressured the party to create a new class of "super delegates" consisting of state party leaders and elected officials who, they hoped, would balance out the interest groups that had come to dominate Democratic conventions. They also lobbied to cluster Southern and Western state primaries on "Super Tuesday," so that candidates who were strong in that part of the country (especially conservative Southern Democrats) would get an early boost that could offset a poor showing in more liberal Iowa or New Hampshire.
More on superdelegates from Jeff Stein at Vox.
What are superdelegates, and what do they mean for the Democratic nomination?
What is a superdelegate, anyway?
As Elaine Kamarck writes in her book Primary Politics, the creation of superdelegates was a reaction to the messy 1980 Democratic convention, in which Ted Kennedy and his supporters challenged sitting President Jimmy Carter. Many Democrats felt that the democratization of the primary process had led to chaos, and resulted in many nominees that ended up losing. Therefore, they wanted to give party elites more of a say."We must also give our convention more flexibility to respond to changing circumstances, and, in cases where the voters' mandate is less than clear, to make a reasoned choice," Jim Hunt, who headed the commission that considered reforming the party's rules, said at the time, according to Kamarck's book. "We would then return a measure of decision-making power and discretion to the organized party."
Perhaps, as Hunt's quote suggests, the Democratic officials themselves believed this was a responsible way to ensure that the party nominated the right candidate. But it's much harder to believe that that they didn't foresee the undemocratic implications of bolstering the "decision-making power" of party leaders.[/blockquote
And one more paragraph from Vox:Why the superdelegate system is still really undemocratic (and should be abolished)
Regardless of what happens in this election, the fact that a party establishment even could overturn the voters strikes many as transparently unfair.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Jimmy Carter, Mike Dukakis, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I have already been accused of "Bernie-'splainin" and "white-'splainin".
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Democrats wants. There are far left, moderates and centrists, we are still Democrats. You can argue your point but the Democrat party is not ruled by a portion of the party. The GOP has allowed the TP to split their party, we don't need a Democratic TP.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Hope there is no comparison there to us.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Tell the GOP their platform and get the Republican platform to mirror their opinions.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I don't even want to take over the party....there's been enough of that. I would like to have it out of the hands of the corporate world which is why I support Bernie.
It's a shame you feel we are like the tea party.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The NRA is a gun manufacture lobbyist, Lockheed Martin continues to get votes to fund, and meetings with other lobbyists from different companies for banks, energy and tobacco industries.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)So I am backing off, there's no point in such a discussion.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)During which we've seen job-killing free-trade agreements, soaring incarceration rates, union busting, stagnant wages, increasingly militant police forces, domestic spying...I can go on and on. As one vote I don't have any power. But I don't have to cast that vote for an increasingly tone deaf and out of touch party. We go along because we fear the alternative. But the only reason the DLCorporatists can stay in power is because they're getting our votes. If we refuse to vote for them, they can't deliver favors to their corporate masters, who cut off their funding. The direction we need to go is pretty clear...Bernie Sanders is showing the way.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Freudian slip there?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Part is new. It is locked as off topic there.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)It's a way to keep the party "pure".
stopbush
(24,396 posts)If he fails to get the nomination, he will probably go right back to being an I.
Even Reagan and Charlton Heston were Ds for a lot longer than Bernie's been a D.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)By what conceit do you hold such an inflated opinion of yourself?
I ask because I've been a member of the Democratic Party since 1972, have worked for the party, have raised and donated money to the party. Why? Because I believe in the party platform, which is for equality for everyone, and which is more important than any single person who happens to call themselves a D.
What have you done for the Party?
Don't tell me about fucking issues.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)How about you?
jalan48
(13,870 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)As far as I'm concerned, Sanders is the most Democratic candidate I've ever had the opportunity to vote for. I don't give a shit what he or others call him, now or in the past.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)I don't know why we still have this. It's such an affront to real small "d" democracy.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)The party could opt to not even have primaries to select their candidates for president. You know, like they used to.
Hillary got just as many D votes in NH as did Bernie. Bernie got more I votes. Why on earth should the Democratic Party not have rules about the nomination that tilt towards nominating a Democrat?
Nothing says that there has to be anything democratic about selecting a nominee. The political parties have opened up their selection process to give the general public a say in the process, but it is not an absolute voice. It is a weighted voice.
That's how it should be.
If people don't like it, they should form their own political parties and make their own rules. Simple as that.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)That she's the "real" Democrat? Because why? You say so? The party operatives that HRC & WJC personally selected say so?
Ignore the youth & defy the wishes of the majority, and you might win the nomination for HRC, but you might win the general election for Trump or Cruz. If you're ok with that...
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Super delegates and other party operatives are not picked by the candidates. Most of them are involved in state-level politics.
Just because you assert something is a certain way doesn't mean it's true.
Campaign operatives are a different story. Different people, too.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)In that case the Independent party will grow beyond belief..
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)By all appearances Clinton is going scorched earth. May not be much left of it after the convention.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)and all you I's can get behind the candidate and they'll win in a landslide. Right?
Oh, wait.
Independents split right down the middle as conservative Ind and liberal Ind. independents make up 44% of the electorate. That means that Liberal Inds are only 22% of the country. Let's see: Ds are 29% and Rs are 26%. Oops! An Ind running as a liberal would be 7 points behind the D candidate.
So form your party. Build your infrastructure (it ain't cheap). Do your worst, and let Ds nominate Ds.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)to get your vote.
It really comes down to whether YOU want to cast a vote that means something if your candidate doesn't win the nomination.
Sometimes the nominee puts your candidate on the ticket in the VP slot, just because they want your vote.
frylock
(34,825 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)The rest lean very heavily toward one party or the other. They're basically Independent Ds or Independent Rs.
If the 45% that want BS right now don't have him to vote for in the fall, most will fall in line behind Hillary. It's just the way it goes.
BTW - you stopped a little short on citing data from that chart. You forgot:
Carson: 18.7%
Paul: 12.1%
Cruz: 10.5%
Fiorina: 9.4%
Lots of I's supporting the RW clown car.
frylock
(34,825 posts)#fearthebern
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Yeah, I sleep pretty well.
frylock
(34,825 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)NV got you nervous?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Democratic ever since. But in the 90s the Democratic Party left me. They changed directions and moved off into trickle down politics and globalization that was R ideas.
Like FDR, JFK, LBJ Bernie shares our original values. I support him not because of the letter behind his name - I support him because he and I both want to get back to those old FDR values. We once again want to be a people's party. What Hillary is offering us is more R-lite.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)I think enough people may be ready for it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but not to worry...they will support the bigger vote getter.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)We are so bad.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)The whole super-delegate system is a step back towards what we had in 1968, before the McGovern party reforms.
moondust
(19,991 posts)southerncrone
(5,506 posts)We have been fooled into thinking we actually have a democracy since 1982.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)You might have seen the other three threads on this subject, and I say the more the merrier. I think this information should get wide-spread visibility.
Sam